tv Conflict Zone - Guest Ekaterina Zaharieva Deutsche Welle August 23, 2018 2:30pm-3:01pm CEST
the. last week. or so was the first time. everybody was going to do the reality of taking my clothes off. of a system that spun out of control. of the world and everything . crushed bank lehman brothers starts september thirteenth. this week on conflict zone i'm in berlin and to talk to a qatari in that sector of the ever foreign minister of bulgaria his being among the politicians searching for a common e.u. approach on the question of large scale migration now that a compromise has been found is the fair deal for everybody and will the agreement last.
week at the dinner that he had about well come to conflict so your country has just concluded six months in the presidency of the e.u. with the most pressing was and is still migration now there is a deal on this but it is very light on details isnt it. i think. there are many challenging during our presidency and migration fortunately the most divided topics very high in the agenda more than three years and so what we try to draw during our presidency is to propose can promise it's but you didn't succeed yeah but we are who are really close to this and to succeed is those doesn't mean that then the original ugly. refers to control center for
silent seekers on european territory the decision not of outside yeah the decision to build these will be voluntary let's be honest no one will volunteer for that it's also inside inside and outside inside and outside yet it is so what if i was inside no nobody wants to do it even you decided that there are some existing and. what what is the bulgarian position of this i'll speak now after the press that he can't speak much more all out bulgarian positionable good proposal dead three people worse our pm and three dimensions help to say to solve this long long perspective mine are not just crisis after crisis a crisis and we wasn't prepare for the first crisis one of the european members that it was living there crisis in the world everybody knew that there were cries of right there on his i was working for a new openness also for some crisis responsible so naïve beauty about what. you
know ok is europe responsible for some crisis maybe maybe yes. and the problem getting proposal for the duration it's not two hundred three years . out we in crisis are not. and took us three years to take decision to sign for example your turkish agreement which actually decrease eighteen one percent the pressure of the border but let's talk about the use of these are these are old solutions so this all came out of interest for the future head summit a european summit is bigger you are willing to build an asylum center like that will you volunteer no we don't so here is saying no so what does it mean everybody is saying oh everybody decided bulgaria also decided the last text so what does it mean if you say no we extend our border as you know and we protect our
external bore border extremely cold not our european union xterm our border and we have centers and we register actually we have register and register all refugees that cross our border so according to the doubling regulation existing one. and what happens actually if they're refugee they have to see through to to to find the first safety place but most of the people don't want to stay in bulgaria they don't want to stay greece they don't state either leave them but end up as perhaps certain ways we were told as well as their country in europe which is not the case that we can we were told about that were refugees don't want to stay in bulgaria but let's let's continue tory lugaid and also in greece are let's let's talk about the control centers because this is
a very important issue these processing centers are closed and controlled that's the idea right the process is center. in the beginning there are hotspots attention centers now we call them processing processing but there are those who control that and that two types of this would close control for the people who don't actually receive you don't necessarily advance who is really allowed and not allowed basically a closed processing center is like a prison for escaping people many of them barely survived the journey to europe is that what you want closed sentance. first of all what we want is to close our external border is not normal everybody who want to come fully from europe and look for a better life which is normal well for the people who can cross illegally the border and if you nice way of doing speak about these ones who want to have
a better life we are speaking and talking about these ones who have to escape like syrians because there is war in syria there unfortunately your eight years actually already that's why these are not the iranians let's learn not to quit cold air and the asylum legal rights are not to compare with these people want to have a better life so really let's talk about these ones so let's make the necessary between the refugees and illegal migration that's also unfortunately what we see in europe that people stop to make these differences because of many illegal migrants that are still coming and continue to come in europe and this is the problem even in bulgaria but not only in bulgaria i just spoke with we did germans france and unfortunately even in germany the people. who made this difference refuge in illegal migration and it's there and the word for taking this day so explain to them for you lation we're not well it's right plain with. politicians wants to
explain to the population the opposite that the refugee crisis is a crisis not because refugees are coming i mean another part of the deal but you know we are dangerous it ourselves it is absolutely different two thousand and twelve thirteen fourteen fifteen ninety percent from the people who are crossed for the european or the where refugees and now it's not that not not like that but you have to create all of them you have to have a legal way to understand migrants yes but you have however regardless of that remark there is a legal process which has to be done another part of the deal with which your prime minister will resolve as expressed support for is the so-called dis embarkation platforms in north africa. we agree with what we what we say yeah this is bull get in position or up we support is three measures and they cannot work separate so one on one of them it's enough i understood so on is north africa and this implication
so what is what is. our opinion and this isn't just a question actually is european the gratian its european leaders the question achieved after hours and hours of discussion and its cross external borders of a solider with external borders countries because we yes ok we managed to ourself but it's much more difficult for greece and spain but we should not forget also bulgaria cyprus malta and so on and so for also when we talk about solidarity is it sorted or only dexter no borders country to accept all of the refugees illegal migrants that want to come in europe but you know what is not so in there you know it's not fall in they're doing we're talking about that north african states have already rejected this idea there is not one north african state who said here i am we are helping europe but we have to support also then to of course through this africa trust fund that we created and if you see the date as ninety five percent
greece think of. of. migrants and refugees illegal migrants and refugees. in the measures that we took to signing the turkish statement agreement since creating can develop an african trust fund i'm so sorry again you were telling to your population into the europeans the disembarkation platforms will be in north africa there is not one state who is saying we have we agree on that we continue we continue to talk with them and that's why one of the most important pillar of this is external or we have to continue to work with those countries to support them and it's not only not north africa countries let's be frank we talk about the region about corner of africa region we all talk about libya we do we believe even story difficult to share it with libya do you support yeah i went to libya we have to make you support this idea yes we support this libya does not have
a functioning government. this very complicated situation they have two governments as you know one of the only known then where a difficult border control you don't just want to negotiate yeah we want within there you have it with your laws smugglers criminals which are not have the loose on the other not only got shared with the smugglers but your neighbors even with the governments without any power if we know there is official government but unfortunately of larry in power no it's i would not say i am not agree with you if there is going to be as powerful as you are just saying you wouldn't have problems with your old i was criminals they can't take care in their own country it may express our pleasure is it possible sorry but what we do if you continue to accept their legal migration actually we support. smugglers and criminals who don't care about those people and just take the money and.
put them in the water said i don't care about you and not on in the water in the truck store so we have to tackle and we have to stop the city go across the border of our own nothing of ours because through continuing support of this illegal crossing we actually support the smugglers but faces now are not your solutions are we or not negotiate with smugglers and traffickers what you're negotiating with libya. this already or what you're saying that only via us marcos no because the government's the government is not the government how of all and you know this as you know that the north african they don't they are not interested to negotiate with europe no doubt you're telling renegotiation you frustrations no you're not right we negotiate and we actually work very. un and tweeter. international organization of migrants and we have actually if your
success is so let's be frank we are not there where we have to be join a common decision but they are really very close but we have a huge difference since ninety. eight in the twenty fifty so we have ninety five percent decrease think of illegal crossing borders and these are the facts let's have a look at those records you have taken in a few refugees the bulgarian helsinki committee human rights and geo based in the capital so if your says quote the situation of zero integration of refugees in bulgaria has been going on for fourth year in a row zero integration and then you astonish the refugees want to live to leave. you know i think that of course i now just reports i'm not agree with everything what is written there so the fact that. people that come and absolutely free politicians popped up on
a different organization to see what happened in our border it's many speculation what we do with the refugees but it's proven that it's not we it's not it's no i saw turkish according to the turkish statement actually they are blight if they're try to live across the border to take this and to send them back in turkey with all we don't forget facts we die also other opinions let's take the amnesty word report twenty seventeen they say quote the necessary services were not provided to migrants and refugees including two unaccompanied children it documents a case from february for example last year syrian family had been granted humanitarian status symbol garia the major in the town of ilene pelion said quote muslim from syria were not welcome. in truth doesn't want to host refugees. i see that brigade doesn't want to host a refugee is it we have to take care for the refugees but see what happens and
that's why i started with this we stop to do difference between migrants and illegal illegal migrants and refugees in there and this is because of when we want to tackle if we think that we can tackle populism with more populism it's the wrong approach and the artists decision now and all the european member states to build fences among us saying in the work is it isn't it better to protect our sterno borders and to create for the countries who want migrants because they need to work in forces to create a legal program for migration because actually we save six hundred fifty thousand people from that of it's let's toss that letter we continue in my opinion if you also it's pretty simple get an opinion if we want to tackle and to save people's life actually stuck with illegal immigration to traffic and smugglers and those criminals we have to stop illegal crossing borders so the european union i go to refugee you don't try to us if you go border if you think that according to the to
the convention for refugees you are refugees you have to go and i am a refugee this is my appeal for. asylum seekers i understand so this time to talk about something girls you seem to have no problem with the bulgarian national movement with according to a report by the council of europe is quote notorious for systematically propagating patriot against neighboring people in the balkans as well as anti gypsy propaganda it's a coalition partner. yes we have correlation partner and we have different opinions but we have really very clear corniche of agreement that it's your idea then it's our with this party another example of this hatred is coming from the deputy prime minister your deputy prime minister simeon of he was found guilty of hate speech against roma he's still deputy minister and you don't say anything is the prime minister not getting in there to prime minister and you don't say anything and i
often i was not a great what is the thing and why different political parties i think when things are already as of here in germany that they have a different proposition and are doing great on any burn his king like that about minorities in the german government another vote let's listen to your deputy prime minister he said in the bulgarian has a name for his opinion i'm not agree with you something wrong or people are we have to try to integrate them but the one thing about right and we try to integrate them but we need we integrate our roma refugee our deputy prime minister our twelve percent of arrogating for some sure ferocious humanoids demanding wages about labor demanding sick leave benefits without being sick child benefits for children that play outside with the street pigs and maternity benefits for woman with the instincts of street bitches this is your deputy prime minister you are still in a coalition with such
a man we are and since here this was during his presidential campaign he said he is in the government he absolutely takes his approach you know he's evolved to responsible you'll post with such a gun i don't this is a race is this a racist statement yes or no for the gypsies it authorizes they want but so you are you on the government with the racist party and the prophet i mean. was everything it was during the period action campaign and i was not agree with what he just what he was sacked and since we are in the government we have absolutely clear position that is stick to the european policy and also conventions that we signed in joint and if we continue to be blind to that illegal migration it's a huge problem and every who we're told everyone. will talk a little very mild situation we're not talking about migration we don't we all tell i'm forced to go into alright i want i want whole range of romance about the fact
is the fact is that most of them we have six point eight percent unemployment five point eight percent and one of the union and all of those are all insanity people only want people fortunately from so this is all what is what is what we do what we do we create a special program to oblige there almost to send the children in the schools and in the kindergarten to give them a future so we put a lot of effort and there are people there bulgarians here they're up against we have. book areas with trauma origin we have also twelve percent of brigands for thirty or so and we are proud we are proud with the ethnic tolerance and we never compared with other baucus country didn't have tension between the different people we didn't have tension between the bulgarians it was good and now it is you know between joy you get a little military sollie many people said the lot of things before the election
it's not many people may know many people in europe also say a lot of people many things before elections not point will get here after you lectures and after they join the government it's a different positions ok ever. never in our history we have tension between the bulgarians will get an origin and it will get us with that so we are proud of this ok you also have the crowd about your important relationship with the russian. you have a good relationship with russia we have got a relationship it's russia but we absolutely. will stick to the european principles and so we mention a point bulgaria is the best friend to get a stop south stream will get it start stop a nuclear power bell and they want to. hold your position about sanctions and also got it from the top of this project so we are absolutely toronto european partners are you in favor for the sanctions against russia us just the european leaders to
be seasoned to continue the sanctions you are obviously bulgaria support or support for this and these are sanctions not again the russians if the sanctions since our red lines about rational behavior to ukraine and crimea are so but what about the ukraine what about the current crimea crisis what about syria what's your opinion about vladimir putin and his policy. of putting obviously want to be very strong men. and. now for example for four creamier absolutely it's unacceptable and country can just decide to take this is my part not stick to the to the international rules and values for syria good condom running for national you have russia behaving a korean for for syria for example and what we can do together with with russia we have to work together with russia on european level more on the also on bilateral
able to tackle for example terrorism to try to solve the crisis in syria. north korea that you have there we depend very depend on the russia yes yes russia gets no less one hundred percent right more than one color it cannot always but around ninety two let's talk about its dependence of russia guess what we work on on the world city and what what i'm. what actually happened i suck at a little bit more about or i guess a place we stopped our stream and some of the member said developed on our streets to solve and i. was we are what we are we will be dependent on russian turkey the same time because if we stop supplies through north korea at the same time and you know same time will be scrapped once a multi blend we think that it's important for bulgaria to have owned to develop
all routes of gas supply why are you why are you why on the welsh and on god to build your own projects to build a nuclear power plant was russia rose at all it makes you even more dependent from russia we start to win it but now we face a billions for two reactors that are like monuments and we want to develop this project as private projects without dependency so we look for private investments. they are different candidates who still didn't force a candidate so but they sided you know in your heart or meant for us it's important mr ball we saw your listeners resolve said that it is a good idea to restart the project yeah we try to find investors because we've been and from our taxpayers for thirty actors that it like among humans and we look private investment they are interesting some time with us from china that interesting given from united states they're coming from russia so we didn't force
but we will negotiate let's talk at length on the. negotiations if it if is if we speak about russia let's talk about corruption because this is also one of your responsibilities your deputy prime minister in charge of judicial reform in this and its twenty seventeen report on the fight against corruption and organized crime in bulgaria you talked about quote unpredictable legislative decision making process and gestured your government has rolled back earlier reform which is this report that you're it which here it is the report of the e.u. which are twenty seven team. from terrence seventeen when said that a report that says twenty seven teams perception said the same thing they said that corruption is increasing your own president said just a few weeks ago there is a lot of talking about corruption in bulgaria it's your president but i think too
little is being done why does he say that. you know the first report from twenty seventeen forces in all told before and then that the last one it was the last one. said that we are absolutely moving quite a while. c.p.m. mechanism that we have and we just adopt and create in the beginning of twenty eighteen. and corruption body which actually already here for success is so let's give a chance to this body to say there wasn't a few years in huge global financial target the washington based research organization says every year the country losses if you're twenty two if you say let's talk with numbers because they are much more. precise something we hear from. almost four percent economic growth we have seven point five billion
trade with germany and increasing investment from germany and germany investor stuffing very well for example the biggest foreign foreign investor in bulgaria is another rant so if the business feel well there's mean that they snow so dark picture in bulgaria of course to hear problems with corruption and they want to tackle corruption not because of brussels or not because of transparency international not because of headache or burning of paris we think that we hear problems and we work to tackle these problems but it's not so dark and if you see actually for example form because our prime minister very. little and i did i was an example for example i mostly go to my family my smuggling of cigarettes we are less than a percent compared with other member states what is this is corrupt they're corrupt of course they have problems with corruption i don't deny this and right we can all get out and we have problems with corruption and that we don't deny this but we
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