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tv   Conflict Zone - Guest Wolfgang Schauble  Deutsche Welle  November 1, 2018 7:30am-8:01am CET

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now in the brush. with the chains patriarchy. women's rights are already gaining traction. people here don't have a clue that famine isn't but there are women. change in every day life for justice. under the skin russia's women. under thirty. after thirteen years in power and some damaging state election results and going to merkel's or thirty is visibly waning she's giving up the leadership of the christian democrats but she'll stay on as chancellor my guess this week here in berlin is vote gun shy blair one of germany's most famous and infamous politicians a former finance minister for the christian democrats now president of the
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parliament how long can a wounded anger. cling on to power. welcome to conflicts or. is this the beginning of the end for i'm going to merkel politics . yes of course she has announced it's. not run again for the president of the party and she has an on it's mean she will not run again after this period which by the way. is from twenty seventeen to twenty twenty one can she last that long twenty twenty one. hundred. well too much i think she has taken the right decision at the right time and look the position of an elected chancellor in our constitution is on behalf of expertize
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we had with the failure of the weimar constitution very strong once elected as chancellor you can only be through out against your own without. agreement if syria is in majority in parliament who elected as a chancellor it is by the way was also respect not signal not to be in medicine in this given this given parliament of position is constitution is strong but inside the party she has her critics and her enemies of course person is part of party enjoys to have the federal chancellor as member of the party and not of member of another party therefore i think as a party. we find resist saying so when she's already admitted she's lost the trust
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of the people she already said that before the elections so she's on her way down the only question is how fast she goes down nobody knows look what's happened this is a lot of things it's come together in. our as we call it western system of democracy all of law parliamentarism is under stress what happened in u.k. u.k. them the origin of modern parliament there is moved the most important decision in the first tickets in this century for you kate from westminster to reverend i'm crazy. what's going on all over continental europe member states of the european union smaller to lety may just a fluke what happened in france two years ago but you go home no longer connects to
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the voters there will massive losses in has your sister party suffered massive losses in bavaria before that you no longer connect you provide them with a great economy motivate wages most employment they don't want you in the most part it's all over europe would be happy if they would get twenty seven percent of all voters ever but not the ones who got forty one percent last time it's huge a loss. what i'm saying is the way i'm trying to say is you have different reasons one reason is so. tectonic or change in modern democracy i think the main reason for this is a disruption in communication in communication between choice suffer whatever you like. but as in new technologies the next problem is linked resists
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to globalization to be influenced by or by developments pi's by vents in all of the world we have german people became aware in the migration crisis in two thousand and fifteen and then of course any long period of government stable government successful government and not just not to be disputed without any doubt the chances of. american has been impressively and extraordinary successful for a long time yes but now but now you no longer now no longer now we were the beneficiaries the beneficiaries of everything are right and the left the greens and the f.t. this is the normal way of life. everything in human in human life in human existence is for a time and heard so it is over now not over but the time has come here is we can
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season is not as strong as it used to be but she is not as big as he has taken a decision in the summer on matter but for this she is not weakened as a rise any president let's say in france or let's say in united states in his second term would be weakened that is not true but you can't ignore the fact that she is part of the problem isn't she now for your party she's no longer the solution she's part of the problem in politics you know this better than i do you either go up or you go down you don't stay still you don't stay still it's human life yeah and you go up and you're going down she's going down there may be but she is strong you remain strong she won't be seen how strong those should be seen as we would she's wanted and she is strong both together and therefore i would i would not be. so decided she has announced she will not run again that is an
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important step. to announce that i think she is a good turns and we believe we will be agreeing in my party that we will not that we would do what we can to avoid city brezhnev lame duck and therefore we would see what will happen it's not to some already calling her a lame duck the succession battle has begun as of course in any and it's going to be bloody after thirty or so it will be bloody. i think most most competitors will survive. and do not be so bloody who are going to be the top candidates we will see i don't know i will not give i'm going to give an answer to you it's not my it's not my role in politics to give in on the insults because to this very day to be very very from your point of view isn't the worst aspect of these elections the recently elections that the far right d.
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now has seats in all sixteen regional parliaments and is the only other party apart from yours to have seats in all the regional pounds that's a huge achievement for them that's the worst aspect for you isn't it. so. still a lot of strength of the right wing party fifty years of course i agree so so we are seeing the worst aspect of our my from my perspective it's a matter of fact we have fifty meters. round about nine i think ninety two members of parliament in the federal parliament they are all electors they have all equal rights and equal to it is now said join all state parliaments eyes away we have seen in the last two. state elections in bavaria as well as in essence that what has been foreseen by many of the service will
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move. towards twenty percent or more it's not decided and it can't be changed but of course what we resolve all over europe look what happened in france since the kids. look what was the reason for the breaks it of and the main u.k. if i remember. stay if we may all right here is a chance that we made with germany of interest been unique your caller says your party's ours is open the door for the. day it's. the polls show that sixty nine percent of germans voted a of d. because of concerns of immigration i don't agree i will tell you we have four for nearly six let's say sixty five years in germany it was most. we hate on behalf of our very specific and tragic past advantage that we
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didn't have a relevant right wing party in contrary to to all parts of europe the parts going on in sweden finland in the us our lands of italy were wherever you like now seventy years seventy years after of after the creation of the federal republic of germany it seems that insists regard we also become a move towards something like european normality i don't like it i don't like it but it's a bit of a given immigration gave them the foothold didn't it your part of the immigration if you look at the policies allowed them to address the fear. in the beginning it was it was not the immigration it was so you have appeared integration which was patterned to create this party called the mother cologne institute of economic research people are united by
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a general sense of unease about the future of the country sixty nine percent lament the negative consequences of immigration that's what you know. if you ask the voters of. yesterday what was the most awesome brabants was a decision. immigration is not in the not in the in the head of of the range but in the end their family they got into the parliament they got twelve percent and it didn't all over you as a european congress of course my underestimated the i don't underestimate you do it and we don't you refer to them in twenty sixteen as boneheads they're not. doing much better than boneheads do we know who we care just missed them. it is not decided we can't it's to be it can't be changed but it's
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a bit of effect and of course we so migration quizes in two thousand and fifteen create a lot of no was the prize of a it was also for many for many people all over the world it was a new achievement as germany was seen as such an open and generous tolerant nation and the peoples have been to migrants have been created welcome how hard it was visible in the valley courtier way but look at the backlash from this little backlash as far as the f.t. look in twenty two european states now you have a higher concentration of far right parties any time for the last thirty years maybe. but as you said last year i think we can say there is no chance germany will ever relapse internationalism i am quite sure i think they have we will let's let's
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let's be clear they got about thirteen percent. that means eighty seven percent totally clear i think many many people in europe many state in europe member states of the european union would be happy if the right wing party would limited to a certain percent five years ago this was unthinkable that they would have ninety odd seats in the bundestag and be represented in sixteen minutes him out of a six in several say maybe in five hundred that was unthinkable maybe in five years i can't remember who said it would do would say it is unthinkable that there will be diminished we will see futures always open it is not in the light of how well they've done don't you want to reassess your come comforting statement that there is no chance germany will have a relapse international germany bill never. the international system of the broad majority of german people will never move to our nationalism
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you have to suggest that european integration was the reason part of the reason that the continent overcame the disaster of hitler and the cold war divisions but there is now what president macro calls a civil war taking place in the e.u. divisions of value like the european war he said that in april the battle between liberal and illiberal democracies didn't take that and i don't agree i like for this president to. make impressive attempts to get reforms in france done his very engaged in poll european banks in europe and i agree if this. i would not i would not say. is worth doing in saying we are in a civil war and bella's on the face of hungary and poland they've thrown the
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challenge haven't backed challengers because they had a moment where the moment i am quite careful in always criticizing our eastern neighbors they have a different history so they have a different development they have different chances and what they don't need and what they don't deserve is it's a always treated not only equal level but they are always so obvious a feeling that we from the vest on we want to teach them we want our you have to do is of no say we didn't have we wouldn't have chairman of the unification but the club has rules doesn't it yes if you are so keen on countries. as a british you must must be careful to ask me on the rules of the european because i will tell you. without so engagement the courage of east european people in times of communist soviet empire
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we wouldn't have we wouldn't have enjoyed the german reunification it was poland it was czech it was hungry all these countries and therefore we must be a little bit more generous to these countries of course we have the feeling in the opposite direction you can be generous all you want. don't wait until you've only got on a direct challenge hasn't he said brussels is currently ruled by those who want a european empire directed movie there is a. chance that. there is a lot of the euro crowd problem migration politicians want to make sure you make me impatient with all due respect quoting somebody once now but at the moment i'm an old man and that's fast. me too ok so let's be quiet to quote some political leaders with some specific quotes makes no sense in public
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this in discussion in substance we are going for a common good in europe is the way you have seen poland i think paul is an example so i have a different understanding on the reform of the system but when so european court decided last week they have to cancel so i have to to correct it it's a decision to send it over to the intention they corrected it and pens and pencils has such as has been complex ever as long as the decisions of the european court are respected by member states i would not criticize them i am a lawyer and their lawyer lawyer knows there are always different opinions. and should never let me talk to you as a lawyer because the subject of rules came up in new have been most insistent in talking about them twenty sixteen you said it clearly all nations must stick to the
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rules of the single currency. was my voice is no they don't do that who who doesn't the stability pact was introduced since it's been introduced not a single year has gone by without at least one member countries finances reaching guidelines you know this you know this now but who are the rules for the little countries. no we in germany retreat try to respect the rules really in my in my time in my term as finance minister i did work for four respected what i have i know you have seventy six rule infringement cases against you now in brussels yea yea yea we got into the greens you're no longer pupil you're bottom of the bottom of the class yeah we are not we are not an model we have never understood our serve as a model for as us so it is just not broad but what we do we're going to apply the rules what we do every world we do or a spec. if the european court decides we respect the decision
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therefore the rule of law is very important and we do respect of course i don't say the terminus result any mistake by far not but what i what i am asking for has said we have mutual respect and we don't always blame our neighbors in the east i don't like it i bet you've always said no no play by the rules and since two thousand and seven germany has continuously been in breach of european current account i just actually have to defend the. impression of arrogance in relation to our eastern european neighbors now you are there you are. from germany on this what telling people to obey the rules and you go you know no one is even german is not perfect is that not just because you can then you know
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if you're going to say i always go as i am going in my country to to respect the rules but we don't we are not better sense of polish and out of member states therefore that respecting three rules is an ongoing battle of every day and before you criticize us you have always took care of yourself and we have a lot of reasons to care ourselves but. i would not say as our money does not respect the rules in my time as finance minister i was not told this was not always but so rules for finance the financials and even the pectin stability and growth. and now you have italy the latest challenge to euro zone rules you're smiling about this but they've thrown down a severe challenge to brussels and. says it once again threatens the euro's existence first time first time that italy's budget has been turned down first time you have what i would and i smile because i would have enjoyed if all these people
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who are now saying since relation to italy would have supported me in the times when we tried to tells the great people that have to respect the rules there's also respect therefore we have exemption was that you went too far with greece you know we are right now we did i could question in my parliamentary spin i have been too generous in relation to greece and that was also true because the quis didn't respect the rules but having said this we did it in the interim in a suitable way and i will tell you i was happy that the european commission has said rules are rules i quote here muscovy says a responsible committed member of commision and he said also our rules and i was happy because in former times it was me in saying said it would have to be respected now the problem with italy is that the relationship is telling them they can't have them but can't pursue the policies it was elected to implement you
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really think plus wait wait a moment wait a moment you just try to convince me that we should respect the rules now you are telling me we should not ask to italy to stick to the words ok maybe it's a contradiction but having said this i don't have to play both sides here you see i just want you to play one i would tell you i play marbles the same i am totally convinced it's a problem of italy is not a leg of the. of a lack of deficit does not support them of italy if a lack of yes as i said means increasing there's increasing deficit with source italian problems. so how serious a crisis is this really is requires a serious person but i think markets will tell. you it will not get financed if you if you have a huge difference it and you want to increase your you'd still visit you always
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have to find someone who is if your credit you have to pay a price and you see you can see the spreads are increasing the spreads i agree zinc therefore i hope this situation is serious so you commission is doing so right drop in this well you tell us have said we are not giving in we are not going to be let's wait and see let's wait then if they don't give in and there is no result we will see i will not speculate but we will say. i want to be done and i don't like to people like me i would never like to people like mad for lead to raise i want if i may to talk briefly about saudi arabia germany's decision to suspend arms sales to riyadh after the murder of the journalist jamal khashoggi. i was out on the lateral is x. years me not member of government i am president of the bundestag federal parliament i do list appropriate eyes durance like myself to commend any
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decision of politicians and government in this very time having said this i would like to make clear chancellor merkel has said if i quote dr li and. says fear is clear and if we know what's happened if we suspend he did not say we will cancel all our expenses and b. to suspend. until we have a clear. sinks have been cleared what happened and so if they just do the government i think it's wide i don't slide on what grounds moral grounds it's right to make pleasure said there must be. we we do know what we do we have to know what happened really and why and who is was sponsible for so it's a bit late for morality isn't it i mean there are credible and i don't know the
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saudis have been committing war crimes in yemen yes since that started the new government did nothing about if you if you want to go to church world politics only on moral moral categories you will always have a lot of problems you have always find the right balance who knows of the film it's a famous german scientist. hundred years ago as a dollars if you have to desire it you have to find the right balance between baldwin and their. effects and responsibility and and to find so right balance is a bit difficult think every day in politics you have always got for the right balance you must not pursue a politics without moral or only you can't on the other end not leave politics political decisions only by models that will not be succeed all right. thank you very much for being our government. thanks
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