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tv   Conflict Zone - Guest Wolfgang Schauble  Deutsche Welle  November 1, 2018 9:30am-10:01am CET

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people here don't have a clue that chairman issa but there are women who want to stick a change in everyday life for justice equality. under the skin rash. after thirteen years in power and some damaging state election results angela merkel's or thirty is visibly waning she's giving up the leadership of the christian democrats but she'll stay on as chancellor my guess this week here in berlin is valve gang schreiber one of germany's most famous and infamous politicians a former finance minister for the christian democrats now president of the parliament how long can a wounded anger. cling on to power. welcome
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to conflicts or. is this the beginning of the end for. politics. yes of course she has announced it's. not run again for the president of the party and she has been known for its mean to its she will not run again after this period which by the way. is from twenty seventeen to twenty twenty one can she last that long till twenty twenty one kids would it not too much i think she has taken the right decision at the right time and the position of an elected translator in our constitution is on behalf of expert has we are. with the failure of the weimar constitution very strong once elected as chancellor
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you can only be through out against your own desire without. agreement if syria is in majority in parliament who elected as a chancellor that is by the way was also respect not signal not to be in madison in this given this given parliament position is constitutionally strong but inside the party she has her critics and her enemies of course person as part of party choice to have the federal chancellor as member of the party and not of member of another party therefore i think as a party. we find resist saying so when she's already admitted that she's lost the trust of the people she already said that before the elections so she's on her way down the only question is how fast she goes down nobody knows look what's happened
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a lot of things which come together in. our as we call it western system of democracy role of law parliamentarism is under stress what happened in u.k. u.k. them the origin of modern parliament there is moved the most important decision in for the first occurrence in this century for you kate from westminster to reverend i'm crazy what's going on all over continental europe member states of the european union smaller to lety major shift look what happened in france two years ago. but you go home no longer connects to the voters there were massive losses in hassle your sister party suffered massive losses investor before that you no longer connect you provide them with
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a great economy motivate wages most employment they don't want you in the most part it's all over europe would be happy if severed get twenty seven percent of all voters ever but not the ones who got forty one percent last time it's a huge loss. what i'm saying is trying to say you have different reasons one reason is so. tectonic or change in modern democracy i think the main reason for this is a disruption in communication in communication between soil suffer whatever you like. but as in new technologies the next problem is linked resists to call as asian to be influenced by or by developments pi's by events in all of the world we have german people became aware in the
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migration crisis in two thousand and fifteen and then of course any long period of government stable governments successful government and not just not to be disputed without any doubt the chance of the above. american has been impressively extraordinary successful for a long time yes but no but now i am no longer now no longer lovely really beneficial as the very sure is not a far right and the left the greens and the f.t. this the normal way of life everything in human in human life in human existence is for a time. and how it's all is over now not over but the time is coming here is weak and he is not as strong as he used to be but she is not as we can see has taken a decision in the summer a matter for this she is not weakened as i was any president let's say in
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france or let's say in united states in his second term would be weakened that is not true but you can't ignore the fact that she is part of the problem isn't she now for your party she's no longer the solution she's part of the problem in politics you know this better than i do you either go up or you go down you don't stay still you don't stay still that's human life yeah and you go up and you're going down she's going down there may be but she is strong you remain strong she won't be seen as strong those should be seen as would it is wanted and just wrong both together and therefore i would i would not be. so decided she has announced she will not run again that is an important step. to announce that i think she is a good turns and we will we will be agreeing in my party that we will not that we
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will do what we can. avoid brezhnev lame duck therefore we would see what will happen it's not to some already calling her a lame duck the succession battle has begun as of course in any and it's going to be bloody isn't it after thirty years it would be bloody. i think most most competitors will survive. it will not be so bloody who are going to be the top candidates we will see i don't know i will not give i'm going to give an answer to you it's not my it's not my role in politics to give in on the and that's goes to this very day to be very very from your point of view isn't the worst aspect of these elections the recently elections that the far right a d now has seats in all sixteen regional parliaments and is the only other party apart from yours to have seats in all the
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regional ponds that's a huge achievement for them that's the worst aspect for you isn't it. so. strong if strength of the right wing party if t. is of course i agree so severe saying the worst aspect of for my from my perspective but it's a matter of fact we have to admit it was. round about nine i think ninety two members of parliament in the federal parliament they are all electors they have all equal rights and equal to it is now said so in all state parliaments . is this a way we have seen in the last two state elections in bavaria as well as in essence that what has been foreseen by many of service will move. towards twenty percent or more it's not decided and it can't be changed of
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course what we want to resolve all over europe what happened in france since the kids. look what was the reason for the breakthrough to have an domain u.k. if i remember. stay if we may all right here is a chance they will lay with germs your body has been unique your color says your party is ours is open the door for the. day it's on its own that the polls show that sixty nine percent of germans voted in a of the because of concerns of immigration i don't agree i will tell you we have four for nearly six let's say sixty five years in germany it was most. we hate on behalf of our very specific and tragic past advantage said we didn't have a relevant right wing party in contrary to to
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all parts of europe look what's going on in sweden and finland in the us our lands are italy well wherever you like now seventy years seventy years after of after the creation of the federal republic of germany it seems that insists regard we also become a move towards something like european normality i don't like it i don't like it but it's a matter of fact about immigration gave them the foothold didn't it your part of the immigration if you look at the policies allowed them to oppress the fear back in the beginning it was it was not the immigration it was so you have appeal integration which was to create this party called the look the cologne institute of economic. people are united by a general sense of unease about the future of the country sixty nine percent lament the negative consequences of immigration that's what you know. if you ask the
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voters of heston yesterday what was the most awesome problems for the decision. immigration is not in the not in the in the head of of the range and therefore i'm big they got into the parliament they got twelve percent did. they did in all of your european countries of course my underestimated the i don't underestimate used it and we don't you refer to them in twenty sixteen as boneheads they're not. doing much better than boneheads do we we care just missed them. it is not decided we can't it's to be it can't be changed it's a matter of fact of course we so migration quizes in two thousand and fifteen create a lot of no was it by the way it was also for many for many people all over the
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world it was a new achievement as germany was seen as such an open and generous tolerant nation and the peoples have been to migrants have been created welcome her of with visible in the valley courtier way but look at the backlash from this little backlash as far as they have to look in twenty two european states now you have a higher concentration of far right parties any time for the last thirty years maybe. but as you said last year i think we can say there is no chance germany will ever relapse internationalism. i think they have we will let's let's let's be clear they got about thirteen percent. that means eighty seven percent totally clear i think many many people in europe many state in europe
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member states of the european union would be happy if the right wing party would limited to a certain percent five years ago this was unthinkable that they would have ninety odd seats in the bundestag and be represented in sixty minutes jim out of the vehicle say maybe in five years that was unthinkable maybe in five years i can't remember who said it would be and do would say it is unthinkable that there will be diminished we will see it through it's always open it is but in the light of how well they've done don't you want to reassess your cum comforting statement that there is no chance germany will have a relapse internationally germany bill never. the international system of the broad majority of german people have never moved our nationalism you have to suggest that european integration was the reason part of the reason that the continent overcame the disaster of hitler and the cold war
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divisions but there is now what president macro calls a civil war taking place in the e.u. divisions of values like the europeans he said that in april the battle between liberal and illiberal democracies didn't take that. i don't agree i like france president and he make impressive attempts to get reforms in france done his very engaged in poor european banks in europe and i agree this i would not i would not say. it's voting in saying we are in a civil war and on balance of the. there is of hungary and poland they've thrown the challenge haven't packed challenges because by the moment by the moment i am quite careful in always criticizing our eastern neighbors they have
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a different history so they have a different development they have different chances and what they don't need and what they don't deserve as they say are always treated not an equal level but they always have obvious feeling that we form the best on we want to teach them we want or are you have to do is of no say we didn't have we wouldn't have chairman of the unification but the club has rules doesn't it yes if you are so keen on countries. as a british your must must be careful to ask me on the rules of the clap of the european because i will tell you so without engagement and sent and the courage of east european people in times of communist soviet empire we wouldn't have we wouldn't have enjoyed german reunification it was poland it was czech it was hungry all the scandals and therefore we must be
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a little bit more generous to these countries of course we had a little thing in the opposite direction you can be generous all you want and see where they don't why didn't you bring it down a direct challenge hasn't he said brussels is currently ruled by those who want to european power directed new voters a. chance that. there is a lot of the euro crowd are probably migration politicians want to make sure you're making him patient is also respect quoting someone he wants now but at the moment i'm an old man. of fast need to. speak. to quote. political leaders with some specific quotes makes no sense in public in discussion in substance we are breaking for a common good in europe is the way you have seen poland i think paul is an example
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. so they have a different understanding on the reform of the system but when so european court decided last week they have to cancel so i have to to correct it it's a decision to send it over to the in princeton they corrected it and the owner of pens and pencils has such as has been called picks ever as long as the decisions of the european court are respected by member states. i would not criticize him i'm a lawyer and the law lawyer knows there are always different opinions. and should never let me talk to you because the subject of rules came up in new have been most insistent when talking about them twenty sixteen you said it clearly all nations must stick to the rules of the single currency. was my boss isn't they don't do that who who doesn't the stability pact was introduced since it's been introduced
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not a single year has gone by without at least one member countries finances reaching guidelines you know this you know this now but who are the rules for the little countries no we in germany read required to respect the rules really in my in my time in my term as finance minister i did work to. respect it would i have i know you have seventy six rule infringement cases against you now in brussels. going to the greens you're no longer a model pupil you're bottom of the. bottom of the class yeah we are not we are not a model we have never understood our serve as a model for as us so it is just not god but what we do why don't you apply the rules what we do every world we do this. if the european court decides we respect the decision therefore the rule of law is very important and we
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do respect of course i don't say the terminus result any mistake by far not but what i what i am asking for has said we have mutual respect and we don't always blame our neighbors in the east i don't like it i bet you've always said no no play by the rules and since two thousand and seven germany has continuously been in breach of european current account i just actually have to defend the. impression of arrogant. in relation to our eastern european neighbors now you have as you are germany. from germany on this what hypocrisy of telling people to obey the rules and you don't you know no one is even german is not perfect is that not just because you say you can then you know it was crazy i obviously as i am very good in my company to do respect the rules but we don't we are not better sense of polish and as
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a member states here for respecting three rules is an ongoing battle of every day and before you criticize us you have always took care of yourself and we have a lot of reasons to care ourselves but. i would not say as there are many does not respect the roads in my time as finance minister i was not going to so as not to respect the rules for finance the financials and even the pact on stability and growth and now you have italy the latest challenge to euro zone rules you're smiling about this but they've thrown down a severe challenge to brussels and. says it once again threatens the euro's existence first time first time that italy's budget has been turned down first time you have what i would as a smile because i would have enjoyed if all these people who are now saying this relation to italy would have supported me in the times when we tried to tell people
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that they have to respect the rules there is also respect. therefore if you say it in was that you went too far with greece no. doubt he did so i could question in my parliamentary spin i have been too generous in relation to greece and that was also true because i didn't respect the rules but having said this we did it in a in a in a suitable way and i will tell you i was happy that the european commission has said rules are rules i quote here moscow receives a responsible commission member of commission desert holds our rules and i was happy because in former times it criticised me in saying said it would have to be respected now but the problem with italy is the illusion is telling them they can't have the budget do you really think that brussels can tell a freely elected country whose economy has been stagnant for the best part of twenty years that it can't pursue the policies it was elected to implement you
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really think wait a moment wait a moment do it just try to convince me that research was back to rules now you are telling me we should not ask to italy to stick to was ok maybe it's a contradiction but having said this i don't play both sides here you see i just want you to play one i will tell you blame others the same i am totally convinced that the problem of italy is not a lake of death. of a lack of deficit is not the problem of italy if a lack of yes as i said means increasing there's increasing diffuse it would sort of sit tell your problems. so how serious a crisis is this for three years as well as a serious but there's a but i think markets will tell. you it will not get financed if you if you have a huge difference it and you want to increase your you'd still visit you always
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have to find someone who is if your credit you have to pay a price and you see you can seize a spreads are increasing the spreads grazing so far i hope this situation is serious so you commission is doing so right drop in this money entirely and have said we are not giving in we are not maybe let's wait let's wait and if they don't give in and there is no result we will see i will not speculate but we will see i want to be done and i don't like to people like me i never like to people like mad for lead to raise i want if i may to talk briefly about saudi arabia and germany's decision to suspend arms sales to riyadh after the murder of the journalist jamal khashoggi. i was out on the lateral is x. years me not member of government i am president of the bundestag federal parliament i do resist appropriate duress like myself to commend any
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decision of politicians and government in this very time having said this i would like to make clear chancellor merkel has said if i quote dr lee and. says fear is clear and if we know what's happened if we suspend he did not say we will cancel all our expenses and b. to suspend. until we have a clear. since things have been clear what happened and so if that is to the government i think it's wide i don't slide on what grounds moral grounds it's right to make presidents said must be. we we do know what we do we have to know what happened really and why and who is was sponsible for us it's a bit late for morality isn't it i mean there are credible and i don't know the
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saudis have been committing war crimes in yemen yes ever since that started the new government did nothing about if you if you want to go to church about politics only on moral moral categories you will always have a lot of problems you have always find the right balance you know those of the film it's a famous german scientist max we have a. hundred years ago is a dollar do have to desire it you have to find the right balance between baldwin and them. if nicks and responsibility and and to fight and so right balance is a bit difficult think every day in politics you have all this god for the right balance you must not pursue a politics without more direct only you can't on the other end not only blows politics but if you do this is only by a model that will not be succeed on a question i've learned thank you very much for being on top of. the
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