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tv   Interview - Andreas Rodder There is a new fear of Germany.  Deutsche Welle  November 18, 2018 1:15pm-1:31pm CET

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time for an upgrade. our fun church there grows old white. house with the. design highlights you can make yourself. trends tips and tricks that will turn your home to something special. great yourself with d.w. interior design channel on you tube. and andrea served as one of the world's leading contemporary historians and today we want to discuss a potential new fear of germany with him mr that during a recent speech in brussels a polish politician said he fears a germany that doesn't lead more than one that does is there a new fear of germany that. is the noir angst for the trend.
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escaped nor there is a new fear of germany which is also an old fear of germany or the new demands of being made of a country and these demands are pushing germany into dilemma that's the quote by poland's foreign minister you just mentioned you would never have heard anybody particularly not somebody from poland say that before nine hundred ninety. there's this new demand for germany to lead within europe but that puts germany in a dilemma because if it assumes a position of power old fears about germany wanting supremacies and europe will rise again this is the new fear which is actually a fear dating back to the nineteenth century or before. and which germany's european neighbors have felt for at least two hundred years or. so i mean distance five hundred beneath the a perfect the can how can germany resolve this
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tense relationship with germany mistake other european countries position into account and also take their perception of germany and to account germany must also not let the power politics necessary for europe to be a powerful global player. and chido in darfur automatically this is a necessary balancing act and one of the greatest challenges for political leaders but also. the end tried to hold hold on for political fuel. minister had another minister speaking in brussels actually addressed precisely that challenge and said germany will have to lead from the center how could that work because that by the to be honest i'm not quite sure what this leadership from the center main was germany has to learn to be respectful of its neighbors while at the same time carrying out the necessary leadership duties. i'm not sure where the center comes in. to design that and you say germany must carry out its leadership
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duties but also that it would be problematic. if it did so to assertively almost all top level officials in brussels pulling the strings a german that greatly upset some member states that i know. is that what germany wants to be a sort of behind the scenes puppet master that includes the defensive team in. the end i would absolutely say that the most important level or which germany is showing political leadership lies beyond national interests in fact it even extends beyond the european union. or because the big question is how will europe treat the u.k. after banks it would be so this isn't an e.u. issue we need to see germany as a nation probably together with france negotiating with the u.k. you're fucked off that's for i make the coup because the u.k. is not going to disappear from europe. rather europe can only be
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a strong global player if it has a constructive relationship with the u.k. construct it was for her to cause papunya who won that fight back when germany was politically more peripheral that it tried to convince the benelux countries of its interests so that they would push them on the agenda of that strategy worked back then is that the right concept for the future or is germany allowed to be self-confident in expressing its wishes and setting its agenda as the time that i get into setting dates and the germany is not only allowed to be confident it has to be confident. but you can be confident without being inconsiderate towards this notion that germany must always be subtle and can't just be forthright in its demands no one in europe still thinks that the use of force or the globe to. part of a death but it leads to trouble take the two recent examples when germany assumed political leadership within europe and the eurozone crisis and the refugee crisis in the
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summer of two thousand and fifteen both times upon. course was taken that was set by germany and both times that caused big big trouble and massive anti german sentiment quickly flared up so how can this work. and india well germany made a grave mistake during the refugee crisis and that was to vote by majority in the european council to force countries to accept a quota of refugees against their will i don't think. that was seen as dictatorial . for the european debt crisis situation is more complicated. there are two very different versions of what happened exist within europe which are both logical but to contradict each other. but on the one side there's the story told by mostly but not exclusively southern countries which says that germany reacted far too late. that it didn't want to risk it straight some place under
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germans are geopolitical nationalists. on the other side we have the german version of exactly the same political decision is to go to. the door german say that they were not liable for other countries' debts but that they helped greece anyway a half because they're such a good european it's all you have are. it's right it had some die hard but to add to what you said we also very quickly began seeing pictures of angela merkel with a hit the mustache coming from greece how big must the fear of germany be and what does it feed on for such poignant images to be produced that. the whole of germany's neighboring countries or almost all have had some form of military conflict with germany far with dogs for greece that conflict was the world war two occupation by germany or how the. that was when those stereotypes started over violent germans with a pickle how about helmets all thora tarion and militaristic that we face and the
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odd thing about stereotypes is that they can resurgent. any time like a volcano you thought was dormant which erupts again if you go and work hard for the mug that our stereotypes generally work and it's exactly what we've seen happen in these last years no one in the house that's obvious did that's neon early. on it seems as if other european countries are no longer used to a germany that shows the same self-assurance as say france or britain or is this a test for europe often that i know but. feel it's low beneath the stomachs of two hundred i don't think that this has anything to do with cold war experiences manifesting themselves in the present day of the north side of it or by the vix the noise so where does the media come from well in france and france is the key partner in this context that fear dates at least as far back as the eight hundred seventy seventy one war when france became painfully aware of the fact that its not eastern neighbor germany or was structurally stronger. he's talked to and then
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france had to experience that bitter truth again in both world wars. because although france was on the winning side the french knew that if they had to face germany alone they would have lost that's the line you can dodge the special or give you what was it their child a goal said in one thousand nine hundred forty six towards germany stays germany more recently in the eighties francois mitterrand spoke about the german nuclear bomb but he was referring to the mark in the german central bank which shows that other countries are no longer worried about germany's military strength but about its economic power. as it does that mean germany is scary because it functions too well for here. east germany is and will stay europe's strongest economy in a time when economic strength is more important than military strength. so germany is the strongest party and it can't shake that role which is why it has to find
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a way to use its strength constructively and strategically within europe. or next lord and national recent study asked europeans whether they find their country's cultures a period to the neighboring countries cultures forty five percent of germans said they find their culture to be better than other europeans are we seeing a rising feeling of germans the perry already. had and. yeah that's yes we are and that's a german trait that dates back to the romantic era. in the early nineteenth century when europeans began to see themselves as nationals the french state already existed so the french could perceive themselves as a nation state however there was no unified germany at that time meaning germans initially had little choice but to final unity through culture who told us they saw yourself as a cultural nation if you will and this self image has always brought with it
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a tendency among germans to view themselves as culturally and morally superior thought that tendency can be traced throughout the nineteenth century right up to the end of the first half of the twentieth century when you know how to and although the content of the old self image has changed the mechanism of perceiving oneself as culturally and morally superior remains. the good example is germany's welcome culture in autumn two thousand and fifteen that sense of being morally correct was so strong you can almost touch it it's harder of the best on side to side with him and for that. we recently had the chancellor announced that she's begun what could be called a step by step political withdrawal what political legacy will under american leafy europe. that angle america into last and. i'm glad merkel have hopefully on a european level angela merkel's main political activity has been crisis management
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from cleveland she has also always tried to unite the european institutions with varying degrees of success about her efforts were constant or patient institutes all of a number i want to get did she divide zero unite europe i. say out of there i know she's been able to unite at least in part she managed to avoid the european institutions dismantling and separating particularly during the euro zone crises the whole part in part she has also caused european division with regard to the refugee crises but i guess we'll never know the extent but several people in the u.k. said that the political decisions about refugees made in twenty fifteen helped the banks it's signed by part is the part that's the. brics it is have i become mr heard and i as always i'd like to end the interview by asking you to complete three sentences germany yes i've got a large and important power within europe which needs to lead constructively and
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with empathy part of. europe is. more than the european union all it is shaped by the over you but also by the great diversity if it goes beyond it the other way now let's get on and history is. there's spiegel in the euro we look out without saying our own reflection clearly but it shows as backgrounds which help us to better understand our presence else that mr herder thanks for speaking with us thank you. own. foot the two books of technology. the result of the market.
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the momentum of the board. made in germany your business magazine t w. good job it. surely is from africa and the world your link to exceptional stories and discussions from the use of these events and why i would say the deputy comes much coffee cup joining us on facebook at g.w. for god. i'm not laughing cabbage i'm well i guess sometimes i am but i stand up and women that have been think sneak into the german culture of looking at the stereotypes aquatics put in here think it's a piece of the country that i don't blame. me and it's a mistake for this grandmother. it's cold out there.
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during the twentieth century european conflicts twice turned into world wars with hundreds of millions of lives lost and destroyed in both.


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