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tv   Conflict Zone - Guest Wolfgang Schauble  Deutsche Welle  December 26, 2018 6:30pm-7:00pm CET

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after one hundred years the ideals of the founders are more relevant today than they were. with us. starts january thirteenth on t.w. . after thirteen years in power and some damaging state election results angela merkel's or thirty is visibly waning she's giving up the leadership of the christian democrats but she'll stay on as chancellor my guess this week here in berlin is votes gang schreiber one of germany's most famous and infamous politicians a former finance minister for the christian democrats now president of the
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parliament how long can a wounded anger. cling on to power. the country welcome to conflicts or. is this the beginning of the end for i'm going to merkel politics. yes of course she has announced it's. not run again for the president of the party and she has a known it's mean she will not run again after this period which by the way. is from twenty seventeen to twenty twenty one can she last that long till twenty twenty one. hundred. well too much i think she has taken the right decision that the right time and look the position of an elected
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chancellor in our constitution is on behalf of expertize we had with the failure of the weimar constitution where a strong once elected chancellor you can only be through out against your own desire without. agreement if syria is in majority in parliament who elected as. it is by the way was also respect not signal not to be in medicine in this given this given parliament of opposition is constitutionally strong but inside the party she has her critics and her enemies of course there's no sports apart the choice to have the federal chancellor as member of the party and not of member of another party therefore i think as a party. we find resist saying so really she's already admitted she's lost the
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trust of the people she already said that before the elections so she's on her way down the only question is how fast she goes down nobody knows look what's happened a lot of things which come together in. our as we call it western system of democracy rule of law parliamentarism is under stress what happened in u.k. u.k. them the origin of modern parliament there is moved the most important decision in for the first occurrence in this century for you kate from westminster to reverend crazy. what's going on all over continental europe member states of the european union smaller to lety may just a fluke what happened in france two years ago but you go home no longer connects to
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the voters there were massive losses in has your sister party suffered massive losses in bavaria before that you no longer connect you provide them with a great economy motivate wages most employment merl they don't want you in the most part it's all over europe would be happy if they would get twenty seven percent of all voters but not the ones who got forty one percent last time it's a huge loss. what i'm saying is trying to say you have different reasons one reason is the tectonic or change in modern democracies i think the main reason for this is a disruption in communication in communication between soil suffer whatever you like. but as in new technologies the next problem is linked resists
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to globalization to be influenced by or by developments pi's by vents in all of the world we have german people became aware in the migration guises in two thousand and fifteen and then of course any long period of government stable government successful government and not just not to be disputed without any doubt the chances of. america has been impressively and extraordinary successful for a long time yes but now but now you no longer now no longer larvae who are the beneficiaries the beneficiaries of everything are right and the left the greens and the f.t. that is the normal way of life. everything in human in human life in human existence is for a time and heard so it is over now not over but the time has come here your shit is
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weak and he is not as strong as he used to be but she is not as big as he has taken a decision in the summer and better for this she is not weakened as a wise any president let's say in france or let's say in u.k. in united states in his second term would be weak and that is not true but you can't ignore the fact that she is part of the problem isn't she now for your party she's no longer the solution she's part of the problem in politics you know this better than i do you either go up or you go down you don't stay still you don't stay still it's human life yeah and you go up when you're going down she's going down there may be but she is strong you remain strong she won't be seen how strong those should be seen as will it. is wanted and she is strong both together and therefore i would i would not be. so decided she has announced she will run again
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that is an important step to to announce that i think she is a good chance and we believe we will be agreeing in my party that we will not that we would do what we can. avoid brezhnev lame duck therefore we would see what will happen it's not to some already calling her a lame duck the succession battle has begun as of course in any and it's going to be bloody after thirty more years it will be bloody. i think most most competitors will survive. it can be not be so bloody who are going to be the top candidates we will see i don't know i will not give i'm going to give an answer to you it's not my it's not my role in politics to give in on the and that's a question on this very day to be very very from your point of view isn't the worst aspect of these elections the recently elections that the far right a d now has seats in all sixteen regional
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parliaments and is the only other party apart from yours to have seats in all the regional ponds that's a huge achievement for them that's the worst aspect for you isn't it. it's a. story of a lot of strength of the right wing party if t. is of course i agree so we're seeing in the first aspect of our my from my perspective it's a matter of fact we have fifty meter was. about nine i think ninety two members of parliament in the federal parliament they are all electors they have all equal rights and equal to it is now said join all state parliament as a way we have seen in the last two. state elections in bavaria as well as in essence that what has been foreseen by many of the service that will move.
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towards twenty percent or more it's not decided and it can't be changed but of course what we want to resolve all over europe what happened in france since the kids. look what was the reason for the break super vendome in u.k. if i remember. stay if we may all right here is a chance that we may with germs your body has been unique your caller says your party is horses opened the door for the. day that. the polls show that sixty nine percent of germans voted a of d. because of concerns of immigration i don't agree i will tell you we have four for nearly six let's say sixty five years in germany it was most. we hate on behalf of our very specific and tragic past advantage that we
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didn't have a relevant right wing party in contrary to to all parts of europe the parts going on in sweden finland in the us islands of italy well wherever you like now seventy years seventy years after of after the creation of the federal republic of germany it seems that insists regard we also become a move towards something like european normality i don't like it i don't like it but it's a matter of fact about immigration gave them the foothold didn't it your part of the immigration if you look at the policies allowed them to oppress the fear back in the beginning it was it was not the immigration it was so you have appeared integration which was patterned to create this party called the look of cologne institute of economic research people are united by
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a general sense of unease about the future of their country sixty nine percent lament the negative consequences of immigration but what you know. if you ask the voters of person yesterday what was the most problems was a decision. immigration is not in the not in the in the head of of the range but in the end their family if they got into the parliament they got twelve percent and it didn't all over you as a european country as of course my underestimated the f.t. i don't under-estimate you did and we don't you refer to them in twenty sixteen as boneheads they're not. doing much better than boneheads do we know who we care just missed them. it is not a side we can't it's to be it can't be changed but it's
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a bit of effect of course we so migration quizes in two thousand and fifteen create a lot of no was it by survey it was also for many for many people all over the world it was a new achievement as germany welcome her. with vis a vis in the valley courtier way but look at the backlash from this little backlash as far as they have to look in twenty two european states now you have a higher concentration of far right parties any time for the last thirty years maybe. and you said last year i think we can say there's no chance germany will ever relapse internationalism i am quite sure they have we will let's let's let's be clear they got about thirteen percent. that means eighty seven percent totally clear i think many many people in europe many state in europe
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member states of the european union would be happy if the right wing party would limited to a certain percent five years ago this was unthinkable that they would have ninety odd seats in the bundestag and they represented in sixty minutes jim out of the vehicle say maybe in five hundred that was unthinkable maybe in five years i can't remember who said it would do would say it is unthinkable that there will be diminished we will see futures always open it is not in the light of how well they've done don't you want to reassess your cum comforting statement that there is no chance germany will have a relapse internationally germany bill never ever. in the knesset have some of the broad majority of people will never move to our nationalism and you have to suggest that european integration was the reason part of the reason that the continent overcame the disaster of hitler and the cold war divisions but
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there is now what president macro calls a civil war taking place in the e.u. divisions of values like the european war he said that in april the battle between liberal and illiberal democracies didn't take that. i don't agree i like france president much and he make me impressive attempts to get reforms in france than his very engaged in poll european banks in europe and i agree that this i would not i would not say. this weltering in saying we are in a civil war and on bella's of the. there is of hungary and poland they've thrown the challenge haven't attacked challenges because by the moment by the moment i am quite careful in always criticizing our eastern neighbors they have
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a different history so they have a different development they have different chances and what they don't need and what they don't deserve as they say are always treated not an equal level but they are always so obvious feeling they three forms a vest on we want to teach them we want or are you have to do is of no say we didn't have we wouldn't have terminal unification but the club has rules doesn't it yes if you are so keen on countries. as a british you must must be careful to ask me on the rules of the european because i will tell you so without engagement and the courage of east european people in times of communist soviet empire we wouldn't have we wouldn't have enjoyed the german unification it was poland it was czech it was hungry all these countries and therefore we must be
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a little bit more generous to these countries of course we have children being in the opposite direction you can be generous all you want. the island is going down a direct challenge hasn't he said brussels is currently ruled by those who want to european power directed move towards. balance that. there is a lot of the euro crowd approach migration politicians want to make here you make me impatient because also respect quoting somebody was no wait a moment i'm an old man that's fast me too ok let's be quiet to quote some political leaders with some specific quotes makes no sense and properties in discussion in substance we are breaking for a common good in europe is the way you have seen poland take polish an example. so
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they have a different understanding on the reform of the system but when so european court decided last week so they have to cancel so i have to to correct it it's a decision to send it over to the pension they corrected it and the owner of pens and pencils has such as has been complex ever as long as the decisions of the european court are respected by member states i would not criticize them i am a lawyer and their lawyer lawyer knows there are always different opinions. and should never let me talk to you as a lawyer because the subject of rules came up in new have been most insistent in talking about them twenty sixteen you said it clearly all nations must stick to the rules of the single currency. was my boss isn't they don't do that who who doesn't the stability pact was introduced since it's been introduced not
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a single year has gone by without at least one member countries finances reaching guidelines you know this you know this now but who are the rules for the little countries. no we in germany retreat try to respect the rules really in my in my time in my time as finance minister i did work for for respecting what i have i know you have seventy six rule infringement cases against you now in brussels. going to the greens you're no longer pupil you're bottom of the bottom of the class yeah we are not we are not a model we have never understood ourselves as a model for as us so it is just not god but what we do why don't you apply the rules what we do every world we do or a spec. if the european court decides we respect the decision therefore the rule of law is very important and we do respect of course i don't say
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that turman is result in a mistake by far not but what i what i am asking for has said we have mutual respect and we don't always blame our neighbors in the east i don't like it i bet you've always said no no play by the rules and since two thousand and seven germany has continuously been in breach of european current account i just has to be have to defend the. person of arrogance in relation to our. european neighbors now you have your money. from germany on this what hypocrisy telling people to obey the rules and you don't you know no one is even german is not perfect is that not just use you can then you know if you're going to say i obviously is and i am going in my country to respect the rules but we don't we are not better sense of polish out of member states therefore that
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respecting three rules is an ongoing battle of every day and before you criticize us you have always took care of yourself and we have a lot of reasons to care ourselves but. i would not say as there are many does not respect the rules in my time as finance minister i was not going to so as not to respect the rules for fun and the finest or even the pectin stability and growth. and now you have italy the latest challenge to euro zone rules you're smiling about this but they've thrown down a severe challenge to brussels haven't they and. says it once again threatens the euro's existence first time first time that italy's budget has been turned down first time you have heard i would i smile because i would have enjoyed if all these people who are now saying this relation to italy would have supported me in the times when we tried to tell people that they have to respect the rules there's also
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respect therefore we have exemption was that he went too far with greece you know he well i doubt he did that so i could question in my parliamentary spin i have been too generous in relation to greece and that was also true because the quiz didn't respect the rules but having said this we did it in the in a in a suitable way and i will tell you i was happy that european commission has said rules are rules i quote your most. responsible commission member of commission and he said also our own words and i was happy because in former times it was me in saying said it would have to be respected now but the problem with italy is the illusion is telling them they can't have the budget do you really think that brussels can tell a freely elected country whose economy has been stagnant for the best part of twenty years that it can't pursue the policies it was elected to implement you
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really think that wait a moment wait a moment do it just try to convince me that research respects the rules now you are telling me we should not ask to italy to six awards ok maybe it's a contradiction but having said this. i don't play both sides here you see i just want you to play one i will tell you i play more with the same i am totally convinced that the problem of italy is not a lake of death of a lake of deficit it is not the problem of italy if a lack of this. means increasing there is increasing diffuse it would source it tell you of problems. so how serious a crisis is this for three years requires a serious but i say but i think markets will tell. you it will not get financed if you if you have a huge deficit and you want to increase your you'd still visit you always have to
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find someone who is give you credit you have to pay a price and you see you can seize a spreads are increasing the spreads grazing therefore i hope this situation is serious so you commission is doing so right job in this when you have said we are not giving in we are not swayed let's wait and see let's wait and if they don't give in and there is no result we will see i will not speculate but we will see i want to be done and i don't like to people like me i never like to people like mad for lead to raise i want if i may to talk briefly about saudi arabia and germany's decision to suspend arms sales to riyadh after the murder of the journalist jamal khashoggi. i was out on the lateral is x. years me and not member of government i am president of the bundestag federal parliament i do resist appropriate eyes duress like myself to commend any
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decision of politicians and government in this very time having said this i would like to make clear chancellor merkel has said if i quote rightly and. says fear is. and if we know what's happened if we suspend it he did not say we will cancel our exports he hasn't been to suspend until we have a clear. sings have been clear what happened and so if they just do the government i think it's wide i don't slide on what grounds moral grounds it's right to make president said there must be. we we do know what we do we we have to know what happened really and why and who is responsible for this it's a bit late for morality isn't it i mean there are credible and i don't know the
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saudis have been committing war crimes in yemen yeah ever since that started the new government did nothing about if you if you want to go to church world politics only on moral moral categories you will always have a lot of problems you have always find the right balance you know the it's a film it's a famous german scientist. hundred years ago as a dollars if you have to desire it you have to find the right balance between baldwin and. if weeks and responsibility and and to find so right balance is a bit difficult think every day in politics you have always got for the right balance you must not pursue a politics without moral or only you can't on the other end not leave politics but it isn't only by models that will not be succeed all right. thank you very much for
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