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tv   Conflict Zone - Guest Wolfgang Schauble  Deutsche Welle  December 27, 2018 1:30pm-2:00pm CET

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at least you should. be forced. to interact with the country teaching the next generation about environmental protection and more determined to build something here for the next generation. deals all to begin farming series on w. . after thirteen years in power and some damaging state election results and going to merkel's or thirty is visibly waning she's giving up the leadership of the christian democrats but she'll stay on as chancellor my guest this week here in berlin is. one of germany's most famous and infamous politicians a former finance minister for the christian democrats now president of the parliament how long can a wounded angle. cling on to power. welcome
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to conflicts or. is this the beginning of the end for. politics yes of course she has announced it's. not run again for the president of the party and she has been known that is mean she will not run again after this period which by the way. is from twenty seventeen to twenty twenty one can she last that long till twenty twenty one kids wounded. well too much i think she has taken the right decision the third time and look the position of an elected chancellor in our constitution is on behalf of expertize we have with the failure of the. constitution very strong with once elected as chancellor
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you can only be thrown out against your own without. agreement if syria is in majority in parliament who elected as a term that is by the way was also respect not signal not to be in medicine in this given this given parliament therefore the position is constitution is strong but inside the party she has her critics and her enemies of course doesn't aspire to party enjoys to have the federal chancellor as member of the party and not of member of another party therefore i think as a party. we find reeses really she's already admitted he's lost the trust of the people she already said that before the elections so she's on her way down the only question is how fast she goes down nobody knows look what's happened this is
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a lot of things which come together in. our as we call it western system of democracy rule of law parliamentarism is under stress what happened in u.k. u.k. them the origin of modern parliament there is moved the most important decision in for the first tickets in this century for you kate from westminster to reverend crazy. what's going on all over continental europe member states of the european union smaller to lety may just a fluke what happened in france two years ago but you go home no longer connects to the voters there were massive losses in hassle your sister party suffered massive losses in bavaria before that you no longer connect you provide them with
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a great economy motivate wages most employment they don't want you in the most part it's all over europe would be happy if they would get twenty seven percent of voters ever but not the ones who got forty one percent last time it's a huge loss. what i'm saying is the way i'm trying to say is you have different reasons one reason is the tectonic or change in modern democracies i think the main reason for this is a disruption in communication in communication between enjoy suffer whatever you like. by the new technologies the next problem is linked resists to globalization to be influenced by or by developments pi's by vents in all of the world we the german people became aware in the
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migration crisis in two thousand and fifteen and then of course any long period of government stable government successful government and not just not to be disputed without any doubt the chances of. america has been impressively extraordinary successful for a long time yes but now but now you no longer now no longer love it was beneficial is the very fishy is that everything are right and the left the greens and the f.t. this is the normal way of life. everything in human in human life in human existence is for a time and heard tell is over now not over but the time has come here she's weak and she's not as strong as he used to be but she is not as we can she has taken a decision in the summer a medal for this she is not weakened as
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a rise any president let's say in france or let's say a new king in united states in his second term would be weakened that is not true but you can't ignore the fact that she is part of the problem isn't she now for your party she's no longer the solution she's part of the problem in politics you know this better than i do you either go up or you go down you don't stay still you don't stay still that's human life yeah and you know up when you're going down she's going down there may be but she is strong you remain strong she won't be seen how strong those should be seen as we did this one didn't see strong both together and therefore i would i would not be. so decided she has announced she will not run again that is an important step. to announce that i think she is a good turns and we will we will be agreeing in my party that we will not that we
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would do what we can to avoid brezhnev lame duck and therefore we would see what will happen it's not to some already calling her a lame duck the succession battle has begun as of course in any and it's going to be bloody after thirty years it will be bloody. i think most most competitors will survive. it will not be so bloody who are going to be the top candidates we will see i don't know i will not give i'm going to give an answer to you that's not my point it's not my role in politics to give in on the insults because to this very day to be very very from your point of view isn't the worst aspect of these elections the recently elections that the far right the now has seats in all sixteen regional parliaments and is the only other party apart from yours to have seats in all the regional ponds that's
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a huge achievement for them that's the worst aspect for you isn't it. so. strong if strength of right wing party fifty years of course i agree so so we're seeing the worst aspect of for my from my perspective it's a matter of fact we have given it was. roundabout nine i think ninety two members of parliament in the federal parliament they are all electors they have all equal rights and equal to it is now said join all state parliaments eyes of aim we have seen in the last two. state elections in bavaria as well as in essence that what has been foreseen by many of service so it will move. towards twenty percent or more it's not decided and it can't be changed but of
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course what we resolve all over europe look what happened in france since decades. look what was the reason for the break sort of and the main u.k. if i remember. stay if we are right here it's a tense state we live with germs are of interest been unique your caller says your party is ours is open the door for the. day it's gone that's all that the polls show that sixty nine percent of germans voted a of the because of concerns of immigration i don't agree i will tell you we have four for nearly six let's say sixty five years in germany it was most. we hate on behalf of our very specific and tragic past advantage said we didn't have a relevant right wing party in contrary to to
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all parts of europe look what's going on in sweden and finland in the us our lands are italy well wherever you like now seventy years seventy years after of after the creation of the federal republic of germany it seems that in sis regard we also become a move towards something like european normality i don't like it i don't like it but it's a matter of fact about immigration gave them the foothold didn't it your problem or immigration if you look at the policies allowed them to press the fear button and in the beginning it was it was not immigration it was so your opinion integration which was to create this party called the look of cologne institute of economic research people are united by a general sense of unease about the future of the country sixty nine percent lament the negative consequences of immigration that's what you know. if you ask the
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voters of heston yesterday what was the most awesome problems was a decision. immigration is not in the not in the in the head of the of the range and therefore they got into the parliament they got twelve percent and it. didn't all over you as a european congress of course my worry restimulated i don't underestimate used it and we don't you refer to them in twenty sixteen hours boneheads they're not. they're doing much better than boneheads do we we care just missed them. it is not decided we can't it's to be it can't be changed that's a bit of effect and of course we so migration quizes in two thousand and fifteen create a lot of no was it by survey it was also for many for many people all over the
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world it was a new achievement as germany was seen as such open generous tolerant patient and the peoples have been to migrants have been created welcome how hard it was visible in the valley quarter way but look at the backlash from this little backlash as far as they have to look in twenty two european states now you have a higher concentration of far right parties any time for the last thirty years maybe. but you said last year i think we can say there's no chance germany will ever relapse internationalism i am quite sure you have we will let's let's let's be clear they got about thirteen percent. that means eighty seven percent totally clear i think many many people in europe many state in europe
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member states of the european union would be happy if the right wing party would limited to a certain percent five years ago this was unthinkable that they would have ninety odd seats in the bundestag and be represented in sixty minutes jim out of the vehicle say maybe in five years that was unthinkable maybe in five years i can't remember who said it would do would say it is unthinkable that there will be diminished we will see futures always open it is not in the light of how well they've done don't you want to reassess your comforting statement that there is no chance germany will have a relapse internationally germany bill ever never ever. and that's one of the broad majority of german people have never moved our nationalism you have to suggest that european integration was the reason part of the reason that the continent overcame the disaster of hitler and the cold war divisions but
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there is now what president macro calls a civil war taking place in the e.u. divisions of values like the european war he said that in april the battle between liberal and a liberal democracies didn't take that. i don't agree i like france president and he make impressive attempts to try forms in france than his very engaged in poll european banks in europe and i agree. i would not i would not say. this is worth doing in saying we are in a civil war and on bella's of the face of hungary and poland they've thrown the challenge haven't attacked challenges because by the moment when the moment i am quite careful in always criticizing our eastern neighbors they have
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a different history they have a different development i have different chances and what they don't need and what they don't deserve is said they are always treated not an equal level but say i. have obvious feeling that we from the best on we want to teach them we want or are you have to do is of no say we didn't here we wouldn't have chairman of the unification but the club has rules doesn't it yes if you are so keen on countries. as a british you must must be careful to ask me on the rules of lap of the european because i will tell you so without engagement and the courage of east european people in times of communist soviet empire we wouldn't have we would have enjoyed the german reunification it was poland it was czech it was hungry all these countries and therefore we must be
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a little bit more generous to these countries of course we have little girl in the opposite direction you can be generous all you want. to why didn't you bring down a direct challenge hasn't he said brussels is currently ruled by those who want to european power directed new voters a. chance that. there is a lot of the euro crowd approach migration politicians want to make sure you make me impatient because also respect quoting somebody was now but at the moment i'm an old man and that's fast. me too ok so let's be quiet to quote some political leaders with some specific quotes makes no sense in public in discussion in substance we are very king for a common good in europe is the way you have seen poland take paulism example so
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they have a different understanding on the reform of the system but when so european court decided last week they have to cancel so i have to to correct it it's a decision to send it over to the pension they corrected it and the owner of pens and pencils has such a sense being called pixie for as long as the decisions of the european court are respected by member states i would not criticize them i am a lawyer and their lawyer lawyer knows there are always different opinions. and should never let me talk to you as a lawyer because the subject of rules came up in new have been most insistent in talking about them twenty sixteen you said it clearly all nations must stick to the rules of the single currency this was my boss you know they don't do that who who doesn't the stability pact was introduced since it's been introduced not
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a single year has gone by without at least one member countries finances reaching guidelines you know this you know this but who are the rules for the little countries. no we in germany read we tried to respect the rules really in my in my time in my term as finance minister i did work for respect is what i have i know you have seventy six rule infringement cases against you now in brussels. going to the greens you're no longer a model pupil you're bottom of the bottom of the class yeah we are not we are not a model we have never understood our serve as a model for us us so this is not bad but what we do why don't you pay the rules what we do everybody we do or a spec. if the european court decides we respect the decision therefore the rule of law is very important and we do respect of course i don't say
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the terman is result in a mistake by far not but what i what i'm asking for has said we have mutual respect and we don't always blame our neighbors in the east i don't like it i bet you've always said no no play by the rules and since two thousand and seven germany has continuously been in breach of european current account i just actually have to defend the. impression of arrogance in relation to our eastern european neighbors now you are there you are maybe throw money. from germany on this what hypocrisy telling people to obey the rules and you go you know no one is even german is not perfect is that not to use you can then you know if you're going to see i obviously as i am voting in my country to to respect the rules but we don't we are not better sense of polish and i thought
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a lot of member states that respecting three rules is an ongoing battle of every day and before you criticize us you have always took care of yourself and we have a lot of reasons to care ourselves but. i would now. incisor money does not respect the rules in my time as finance minister i was not going to so as not to respect the rules for finance the financials and even the pact on stability and growth and now you have italy the latest challenge to euro zone rules you're smiling about this but they've thrown down a severe challenge to brussels haven't they and says it once again threatens the euro's existence first time first time that italy's budget has been turned first time you have good god i smile because i would have enjoyed if all these people who are now saying this relation to italy would have supported me in the times when we tried to tell the great people that they have to respect the rules
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there's also respect therefore we have exemption was that he went too far with greece you know he wanted out he did so i could question in my parliamentary spin i have been too generous in relation to greece and that was also true because i didn't respect the rules but having said this we did it in the in a in a suitable way and i will tell you i was happy that european commission has set rules are rules i quote here muscovy says a responsible commission member of commission dessert holds our olds and i was happy because in former times it criticised me in saying so it would have to be respected now but the problem with italy is the illusion is telling them they can't have the budget do you really think that brussels can tell a freely elected country whose economy has been stagnant for the best part of twenty years that it can't pursue the policies it was elected to implement. you
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really think that wait a moment wait a moment do it just try to convince me that we should respect the rules now you are telling me we should not ask to italy to stick to wars ok maybe it's a contradiction but having said this i don't play both sides here you see i just want you to play one i will tell you blame others the same i am totally convinced it's a problem of italy is not a lake of death. of a leg of deficit that is not the problem of italy if a lack of this. means increasing increasing deficit with sarsi tell you the problems. say how serious a crisis is this really is requires a serious but there's a but i think markets will tell. you will not get financed if you if you have a huge deficit and you want to increase your use to fix it you always have to find
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someone who is give you credit you have to pay a price and you see you can seize a spreads are increasing the spread so i agree zinc therefore i hope this situation is serious so you commission is doing so right job in this when the intelligence have said we are not giving in we're not swayed let's wait and see let's wait and if they don't give in and there's no result we will see i will not speculate but we will see. i want to be done and i don't like to people like me i never like to people like mad for lead to raise i want if i may to talk briefly about saudi arabia germany's decision to suspend arms sales to riyadh after the murder of the journalist jamal khashoggi. i was out on the lateral is it's us me not member of government i am president of the bundestag federal parliament. to list appropriate eyes duress like myself to commend any decision of politicians and government
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in this way every time having said this i would like to make clear chancellor merkel has said if i quote rightly and. says a fear is clear and if we know what's happened we will suspend he did not say we will cancel all our expenses and b. to suspend. until we have a clear. sinks have been cleared what happened and so if that is to the government i think it's wide i don't it's right on what grounds moral grounds it's right to make presidents said must be. we we do know what we do we have to know what happened really and why and who is responsible for this it's a bit late for morality isn't it i mean there are credible and i don't more ality
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of the saudis have been committing war crimes in yemen ever since that started and your government did nothing and if you if you want to go to church about politics only on moral moral categories you will always have a lot of problems you have always find the right balance you know those of the film it's a famous german scientist. hundred years ago as a dollar's you do have to desire it you have to find the right balance between baldwin and. effects and responsibility and and to find so right balance is a bit difficult think every day in politics you have all this not for the right balance you must not pursue a politics without more all right only you can't on the other end not leave politics but it isn't only by models that will not be succeed all right. thank you very much for being our company. alex
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