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hundred years ago we should shake things to come to ball people are students scientists and we're shaping society. with ideas. powerhouse world this week on t w. the british and their broken bricks after this week's high drama inside parliament it may not surprise you that a new poll shows support for remaining in the european union at its highest level since the brics that referendum in two thousand and sixteen but those numbers are not changing the calculus for you leaders from finland to portugal from belgium to bulgaria the european union is now bracing for a british rights that crash i'm bored golf in berlin this is the day.
to decide the time to pick the games is now over japan have taken the decision to trigger the plan related to a no deal gregg's it. our business all but we known that a hot breaks it will hurt us all. the citizens of great britain and all the knobs that's going to. remain here is ready to offer a solution is to all citizens who are working on studying in the u.k. to come forth if he's not conceivable that the agreement will be renegotiated. portugal has approved a plan to ensure great to security for british citizens in portugal and alice citizens in the u.k. . the ball is now in britain's course with time. also coming up tonight an exclusive interview with the head of human rights watch
kenneth roth will tell me why the human rights hopes of the entire world are nel securely partly in german hands well in a germany did just join the un security council seat that they sought and we are looking to germany to play a leadership role there again because that the traditional major powers they are are not doing what they should. well to our viewers on p.b.s. in the united states and to our viewers around the world welcome we begin the day planning for the day that is not supposed to ever come the day when britain leaves the european union with no deal in hand the rights it crash of march twenty ninth or in the span of just two days this week the british parliament rejected the only bright sit with drawl plan that exists and almost voted the government and prime minister theresa may out of power in protest when now the wounded and weakened to
theresa may has until january twenty ninth to win parliamentary approval of her breaks it plan b. well the european union it continues to signal its willingness to help to resubmit a but it remains firm there will be no new negotiations no new breaks a deal if for the twenty seven eight you countries who are not leaving the club it's now all about damage control and preparing for the worst the new normal to learn from berlin to lisbon the words of european officials and leaders betray growing nervousness time is running out for an orderly prox it. was minus zero that's why we have to say clearly to london the site the time for petty games is now over. the ball is now in britain's caught with time in the once and that's why we can only call out british colleagues you. even press simply demonstrated your sense of black humor in recent days it's that now we are counting
on your legendary pragmatism and sense of reality. in paris prime minister edward philippe announced a fifty million euro investment plan to prepare french ports and airports for the worst. referring to tuesday's vote in the british parliament he said. we can regret this defeat will rejoice about it in any case what's clear is that the prospect of a no deal breaks it is becoming more likely by the day. portugal's government to announced contingency plans for a no deal breaks out but prime minister antonio custer warned that that was the worst solution and said it was virgin for british authorities to take the necessary steps to reach a good deal by in march twenty ninth. that is the use chief negotiator . devoted to the clock is ticking on. this
serious moment we must remain lucid. she stays afloat reinforces the risk of an exit without an agreement. i don't know do you. and that is not the option that we are working for. in the name of the e.u. and with the confidence of european leaders and the parliament i remain determined to work for an agreement to organize an orderly exit but that risk does exist. the risk is highest for britain government ministers meeting at ten downing street in london know that europe is waiting for their next move over more on this broken brags that i am joined tonight by our brussels correspondent georg boxes and from the university of edinburgh was professor paul baer as are barron's has been advising the german parliament on the legal implications of breaks it for the e.u.
states gentlemen it's good to have you on the show this evening georg i want to start with you bring us up to date on what the european union is doing now and knowing that the break it agreed to with theresa may is a good deal. i'm a friend fred brand my feeling is that the officials in brussels at least at the european institutions have decided to sit tight rather frustrated observing what london is doing and some here say rightly so they have worked hard they've bend over backwards they've provided compromises and they've provided a very good divorce deal that took him to respect a lot of the wishes that's theresa may has brought to brussels and renew return they got uncertainty in return they've got the disastrous situation we have now and
in return they were forced to absolve political infighting that only made matters was including yesterday they were has there been any word you know official or nonofficial regarding the u.k. requesting a delay in breaks it beyond march twenty ninth there's been some speculation here whether that may happen and even fact what i have heard is that the e.u. prepared for such a scenario a couple of weeks was always clear wouldn't be a problem only to avoid an accidental brax it then in recent weeks one prepared for a couple of months but any further than that would endangered the european parliament elections that are coming so midsummer is the deadline i could see that bracks it could be to late. professor the situation that the u.k. and the e.u. are in now or did you discuss this very situation with german lawmakers
this week when you met with them i mean what did you advise them to do. yes that was one of the questions that was turned up and this is because they've been interested was the european union committee off the parliament of a tender hearing on monday when trusted basically into situations one of them is a preface it with the in the broad agreement of the terms of the agreement this is this huge five hundred eighty five page document that the e.u. and the u.k. negotiated and the other one personality of exit and the interesting point was that under the no direct that there was one of the acts of the experts that were questioned by the committee one of the experts said well this might be quite a good sit development for the u.k. we don't actually have anything to fear we can always rely on other rules that exist in public international law to catch this particular situation i don't think the other experts agreed with that what we will face if it comes to no he backs it
on the economic level is a decks that is a trading relationship on w t o terms which is quite difficult for the united kingdom because it means for instance that very many goods that are transferred into the european union will attract very high tariffs as well so the. goods that are particularly important for instance cost across to kingdom is a very strong current history will attract some ten percent of terrace and many. stuffs will attract areas that are roughly in the same area ok so this is yeah i was going to ask you professor you say that breaks it in any form is not just a fair brittanie i think if i can quote you everyone will be i'm impacted by breaks what has to be done in the european union to protect british citizens living in
working here and vice versa. yes that is a. very important point here the withdrawal agreement which was much better than its reputation did have a pot dedicated to the rights of e.u. citizens or allowed them to stay in the united kingdom. and it protected them from discrimination at work for instance and a lot for certain rights concerning social security and so forth it was by no means perfect he meant and i would take is you with the view that all of certainty was removed under the store agreement the problem is that the fountain and install agreement all of the rights of e.u. citizens living in the u.k. are really up for grabs the united kingdom has said that they would protect these rights under certain legal institute that they call the settled status that means
if you are in the country for harve years you do gain the right to permanent residence you can accumulate the five years as well however this is then done entirely under british law which can be changed very easy there will be no under no deal that there will be no international supervision the those who are luzhin by the european court of justice and that is one of the main concerns that you have and in a no deal breaks it i understand the situation for students in the u.k. it that will become precarious over night why is that so. yes indeed perhaps hopefully not overnight because the government has agreed to an all of the the united kingdom government has agreed to allow the current situation to continue for a while the situation the difficulties come in. that's a concern which is a big matter. varies considerably from the depending on
the particular nation. if you're talking about so in scotland they're not wishing trees fall and students that are below the age of twenty five in general or in england you might end of his tuition fees of more than one thousand pounds a year so that is part of that is if the conservation if there isn't bricks that european students would have to take the piece for international students which are very much but of and so forth but as one of the difficulties ok. i'm sorry there's a little delay here professor i'm sorry for interrupting you there but let me take this moment let me ask you and georg to take a listen to what to research may and labor leader jeremy corbyn what they both had to say yesterday i believe it is my duty to deliver on the british people's instruction to leave the european union and i intend to do so. so now
m.p.'s have made clear what they don't want we must all work constructively together to set out what parliament does want it's play on a new deal is now finished they re no question of tweaks or sweetness from brussels to bring it back to life the deal that she brought back all the five hundred plus pages of it is quite clearly. all right so considering how hard both of these fronts become let me let me ask both of you is a second referendum is it now more likely in georg let you go first i think overall it has become a little more likely although i would say it's still an unlikely option i see the biggest pressure here on the labor party because it depends when jeremy cotton will decide to stop playing political games and when those in the labor party that are
massively in favor of such a say second referendum well it will gain momentum but actually me tell you this brand i think it should be called a third referendum i've brought you something that i found in my debts attic it's the like i'm paying her from prime minister british prime minister harold wilson from the one thousand nine hundred seventy five referendum on the european community as the european union was called back then and i just want to read you one sentence from its final conclusion it says whether we are in the market or not common market policies are going to affect the lives of every family in the country inside the markets we can play a major part in deciding these policies outside the market we are on our own and it's it's amazing i read through the entire script it's what i would say seventy five percent of it still rings true today yeah it's fascinating i saw that today on twitter but when you put it online fascinating to how something so similar to one
nine hundred seventy four can today can be interpreted so differently by politicians professor burns let me ask you a second referendum to save us all from a break sit bus do you think that's likely. i would say if you had asked me about tough a year ago i would have been quite careful in my arms and i would have said it as it is not very likely at all since then things have moved considerably we have seen that the forty eight percent of the the people the test voted for remaining in the european union have not gone away and test refused to be silenced we have seen huge demonstrations in london the last one one of the the largest demonstrations that have ever taken place in british history in the british capital. globe a very hot for a second referendum for people's vote and then partly you have seen that the political establishment is moving a little bit they have seen some movement some new movement in the labor party or
the labor party is now committed to a people's vote as one of the possibilities if the if the vote of no confidence we have to be rejected and we have seen in the conservative party more and more people coming forward including former ministers cabinet ministers of teresa mayes who are coming forward and saying this is really the only way for one and they do have a point because as you say if parliament was blocked who else is going to provide a solution except the people themselves that's it that's a very good points and as someone pointed out earlier this week it just reveals the dangers of direct democracy when you use a referendum to enact legislation or brussels correspondent mottos and from the university of edinburgh law professor paul barron's to both of you thank you very much for joining us tonight are much.
well your preoccupation with bricks is just one reason why the usual powers who stand for and defend human rights well they seem to be missing in action that is just one of the conclusions offered in human rights watch is annual report which was officially presented today here in berlin. stories like that of the alleged murder of journalists by the saudi arabian government may make you think that autocrats and human rights violations are increasingly becoming the norm. but human rights watch is actually optimistic despite both the united states and britain withdrawing from their traditional leading role in defending democracy and civil rights the advocacy groups annual report says countries like germany are quote pushing back asked the u.s. and the u.k. have retreated from the state of meaningful human rights respecting foreign policy
germany has started to fill the gap it's not enough and we want to germany to do much more but we have seen that germany has tried to size openly and loudly the presidents of turkey the president of china russia and trump of course. another good example is germany's response to saudi arabia's human rights violations shocked by the brutality of the killing the german government suspended the sales of arms to the kingdom and expelled some saudi diplomats the us took no such measures to distance itself from the saudi arabian regime. well after his press conference here in berlin the executive director of human rights watch kenneth roth he paid a visit to us at the headquarters d.w. news right here and i spoke with him about the state of human rights in the world and why there is plenty of reason to be optimistic. good it's good to see you again
good to be here i noticed today at the press conference the message you had the headlight message was a positive one you said that there is this trend of countries people working against all regrets where do you see that what you don't think when you read the headlines you think the autocrats capture the headlines and say i think it's all bad names but when we went back and reviewed the past year the real news for us was the resistance the autocrats were spawning this pushback that has been quite powerful and has won a large number of battles and not only in easy places but in tough places like syria yemen myanmar with respect to the rohingya and so you know in each of those cases we saw groups of governments come together and exert real pressure in defense of human rights and the other place we saw people take to the streets for example in poland hungary you got a large demonstrations that in the case of poland particular action move the government in the case of hungary's got the government you know pulling backwards and you saw voters ousting corrupt autocrats in the lake in armenia and all these
popular pressure leading to a reformist prime minister nico pia but you know the it was in kind of multilateral settings like the un where we saw unusual combinations of governments coming together because of the traditional leadership the u.s. u.k. france were there i would be going to say but libya a little bit on syria where do you see anything positive there considering that the civil war is practically over but shows on it's still in power he's won the war there cannot be a victory for human rights at all well i actually think syria is the site of the human rights move to save the most lives in the last year and it's because the last anti-government enclave province in the northwest worth three million civilians are living today it was facing an onslaught by syrian russian forces and they were going to proceed they way they always do indiscriminately bombing civilians we would have had a massacre. bloodbath and so chancellor merkel and
a number of other governments put pressure on prudent without whose forces syria could not proceed and said putin you've got to stop this you are responsible for these lives and he did he agreed to a ceasefire in september that his health to this day and turkish forces have now been arrayed around in the lead to try to form a protective barrier but that was huge and that was done really through european pressure on putin that you mentioned the german chancellor angela merkel you decided to have your press conference to announce this year's report the following days here in berlin and there was a reason for that there was and that is you know partly been we look at you know who are the human rights leaders today it's not the usual suspects you know trump is too busy embracing autocrats who he sees as friendly and britain is utterly preoccupied by bracks that french president talks a good game but often doesn't implement it and it turns out the germany played perhaps the most important role not only in syria as i just mentioned but also in hungary and in in getting the european parliament to begin
a sanctions process against orbán for a so-called illiberal democracy in the case of the saudis in the war crimes are committing in yemen stopping german arms sales to saudi arabia but we don't we don't hear that news very often is that part of germany's street or is that sort of not wanting to take the responsibility that you say that they should have been given that they do have well you know germany did just join the u.n. security council seat that they sought and we are looking to germany to play a leadership role there again because that the traditional major powers they are are not doing what they should and so just as an example you know the security council traditionally every december reports on human rights in north korea they have a session on that this year didn't happen trump was too busy focusing on other things so now germany has just joined in in january it's not too late and we hope that germany will take the lead to make sure that this special. russian on north korea happens are you calling for were reforms at the u.n.
or not are you calling for germany to have more power more authority more responsibility at the un well i mean you know some people talk about major reform of the security council i mean that's a long term endeavor but you know even given the structure now germany has a very important role to play in all it takes is nine of the fifteen members too to have a session about something you know an important discussion and germany can make that happen by building a coalition so we see you know say in a place like me are where the british ship tended to take the lead but are much too deferential to him some sushi and we need somebody to come in there be tough and recognize that he has become the principal public relations defender of the burmese army and that we need somebody to exert pressure on that government to make it safe for the injured return to the human rights champion germany are you talking about the political system to the country or are you talking about the country gets lit by anglo-american well i mean obviously americal has announced that you know her
time is coming to an end i have to say that it's not just. the new foreign minister has been very human rights family the you know chancellor designate the likely future leader in case you know we don't really know where she stands on a lot of these things but i hope that the commitment to human rights runs much more deeply than just the chancellor and certainly our dealings with other members of the foreign ministry in the bureaucracy suggest that indeed there are many people who are committed to pursuing that tradition into the future with roles we appreciate to give them so with this thank you you thank. the u.s. government shutdown is now the longest in american history for weeks and counting and tempers are getting shorter by the minute yesterday the speaker of the u.s. house nancy pelosi citing the shutdown used her authority to call off the president's state of the union address adding he's welcome to send the speech to
congress and a letter instead would today in a tit for tat trump the president citing the shutdown used his authority to ground military planes used by members of congress to travel that means palosi won't be going to afghanistan as planned mr trump did and that ms pelosi can always get to kabul with a commercial airline instead there's been reaction on social media from house republican whip steve believes he wrote that pollution his decision makes clear that we already know democrats are only interested in the strutting donald trump not governing other republicans are coming up with their own work arounds like kentucky senator rand paul senator mcconnell is in charge of the senate if ms pelosi refuses to allow the president to deliver the state of the union in the house i propose we move it to the senate and they could happen but democrats like california congressman eric swalwell are standing by palosi the state of the union
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