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tang's. i was issued when i arrived here i slept with six people in a room. it was hard. i haven't got white hair. language and now a lot of this gets me a little but you need to interact with the say you want to do their story. fighting and reliable information for margaret. after two goals wars in iraq western powers fail to give sufficient thought to what happened after victory terror groups like the islamic states exploited the chaos today human rights watch accused iraq's government and kurdish all sources of detaining and torturing children with alleged links to i asked i'm still galen berlin and this is the day.
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my son has nothing to do with i actually wasn't trained by us that people thought he was because of his father. that they said confess you were with i guess i told them i wasn't they force me to confess. the police said well just ask him a question and bring about that he's been gone for four months i want to know what happened if he alive or dead i know they put out cigarettes on me. they hit me with cables and sticks they hit on some tortured us. being away from my family is really hard. i haven't seen it for two years and four months i think about them twenty four hours a day. so human rights watch so. the iraqi government has charged hundreds of children with
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terrorism because of their links to islamic states joe says the iraqis on the vigil kurdish government used torture to coerced confessions in some cases they estimate around fifteen hundred children are being held in detention for alleged iris affiliation. children caught up in islamic state leave behind a world many of them were born into. most are now orphans and face an uncertain future while some may be handed over to aid agencies there are concerns about the fate of the older boys in particular. a report by human rights watch says around fifteen hundred children are being held on terrorism charges over the border in iraq some claim they've been tortured this teenager says he has the scars to prove it at sixteen he was arrested for alleged links to i.a.s. and held for twenty two months on
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a solution they tortured me using plastic pipes. they set confess what you with us and i told them i wasn't. but they forced me to confess that they put us cigarettes on me. this woman's thirteen year old son is still missing i mean him and my son has nothing to do with i asked he was not trained by us but people thought he was because his father was. the iraqi police said it's just an interview and will bring him back he's been gone for four months i want to know what happened to him is he alive or dead human rights watch says thousands of children were recruited by us in iraq as the jihad is took over large swathes of the country some were forced to join others did so because they were hungry or felt they had no other choice. i feed back you ation from islamic states final
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enclave continues this report is a timely reminder that treat child detentions violate international. law about this further with the rough elbow song he's a security in terror expert at the german institute for international and security at a fast welcome to the w so we have these charges now from this latest human rights watch report but as there have been of this that have made these sort of allegations and in the past the kurdistan regional government rejected them saying that torture is prohibited and that children are afforded the same rights as other prisoners who should we believe while i mean of course human rights watch has a particular way of presenting its case very very forceful with their vivid and sort of testimonies so i mean i wouldn't say you can prove that this happens in every single instance of every single prison every single location but
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unfortunately there is a history of these kind of events and these kind of allegations of torture by human rights watch and others i'm including the european union official statements so i think unfortunately yes it is something that is probably rather widespread and systemic and not only concern children but generally the treatment of prisoners ok so so western powers fought a couple of wars to topple saddam hussein then they fought and i asked insurgency that struggle because they didn't win i would fully prepared for the pace now it looks as though with these latest reports we've we've installed another brutal regime with with scant regard for international norms well i mean nobody can say that iraq isn't a good place and that things have gone really well after the toppling of saddam hussein. but of course it's also just not fair to say you know one bad has just been replaced by another bad i mean the. regime by saddam hussein of this is not to
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legitimate the intervention which really was also highly problematic but for saddam hussein really killed its own population in the hundreds of thousands and there were much more widespread allegations of torture and of the actions and you know you name it whatever human rights or violations you could name so this is not to say this is insignificant what's happening there but i don't think it's fair to say it's just as bad and just a serious and again that doesn't mean that there is not a many many things that need still fixing in iraq and that this is a thing who should fix it because the west does not cover itself in glory in going into iraq and trying to fix things well just as in many many other places of course it's two of the people themselves of iraq to primarily take this process into their hands they can get support from the outside and of course rushed withdrawals from the u.s. won't help it at the moment either if you just kind of throw them into the ultimate in the open but we cannot just do it for them as well and the current new
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government which has been in place only since the member maybe offer some hope for a little bit less of a sectarian violence that we've seen in the past but this is still to to to be seen and i think for the time being we really have to to understand that for iraqi authorities proly there are many many other things that are much higher on the list of priorities than these kind of allegations and this is not to justify them but i think the key thing for iraq is yes to come out of a posse of she isone and could ish infighting and massive killing on each side on the sides and bring the country together into one single government that sort of more or less speaks for the whole country because now it's not forget the i.a.s. also could rise to its strength as it did because if we do exploited those divisions in the country let's look at the wider fiction i don't talk about the idea of. returning i asked fighters president trump wants europe to take back eight
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hundred of them european governments that came in one instance in the u.k. the u.k. should strip a teenager of a british citizenship when she says she wants to come back home from. being amongst us what do you think european government should do with these people coming by this very uncomfortable situation of course and nobody is racing to get these people back on this one i think i agree with a lot of commentators that that say yes actually the u.s. is rights that european countries have a responsibility with these people it's not something that should be done overnight and we really need to be careful that we take people in a process that is orderly and also trying to collect as much evidence as possible when transferring them. but it's not a solution to just let them linger out there maybe there are a few cases of dual citizenships like the one you mentioned where you can say they're going to not going to be able to return because they have another
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citizenship but it's not allowed to create a stateless people and last but at least you know it's not solving any real security problem if we leave them there you know al qaeda in the way was also a result of having which he thousands dispersed around the world know having nowhere to go and then they kind of form new terrorist cells all around so if you really want to contain terror then as uncomfortable as it is we better take charge of it ourselves so even though right mr president trump says is virtually out wiped out in iraq that as far as we're concerned here in europe that's not the end of the problem. well with i.a.s. i mean it's hard to say that many people worry that they mad reconstitute polls in the region because of the unresolved issues of sick terror and violence i mentioned but also in other parts of the world or in the virtual in the internet but i think i don't really know you want to focus on my ass it's more than the question is you have a militant full militants and they have to be taken care of some of them might be
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or many of them actually disillusioned may be rehabilitated but some of them are hardened fighters and just throwing them out in the open not giving them a court case or just thinking that they're going to go away is not going to solve the problem so maybe it's going to be asked maybe they're going to join al qaeda maybe they're going to join some other group so that's the question rather than one organization that could show who thank you for joining us are a fellow of us all from the german institute for international security affairs thank you. offended when his government has ordered germany's ambassador said leave the country after he expressed support for opposition leader. daniel a crane that was one of a number of foreign ambassadors to greet venezuela's self declared interim president landed at caracas hampel on monday the government accuses about the cleanup of interfering in the country's internal affairs and has given him forty eight hours to leave. more on this from g.w.
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correspondent in caracas chief national correspondent linda crane parliamentary studios in baton welcome both let's start with you banker in caracas to tell us more about this move from venezuela. we have to do something we've seen many times where the u.s. ambassador's only persona non grata i'm trying to the diplomat i'm going to say that we've seen this in the past but it's quite different now because there isn't. much that i mean it's what us awhile you get out of that one has a track record over the course as one might well have to rely on the diplomatic relations of most countries that are recognized and the get it right so it wouldn't be a massacre of trying to get a comfortable position because quite often said to drink is just like rest because my wrist ministers have no power to declare anyone else on a route and again that's in what's called back to germany for consultations so it seems like it was a threat not working actually from what we can gather
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a speck of that point. right here and then tell us about the response from the german government. well in fact the response was as we just heard to issue a statement confirming that mr cleena has been declared persona non grata but at saying at the same time that he is being called back for consultations which is clearly an attempt to inject at least some flexibility into what is a developing situation and the foreign minister masterman foreign minister also spoke some short time ago and said that this move on the part of the maduro regime is in his view in comprehensible and simply aggravates the situation and that the regime needs to be aware that european and german support for one quite go as interim president is in his words quote unquote unwavering it's also just lent one
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of the many weird things about the situation is that president maduro is expelling a foreign ambassador so amazing a man that he's threatened to arrest and still hasn't so the ambassadors told the packers bags is still walking around free what does this tell us about majority well it's just a matter of moments and from what we can gather your lot to opposition from that he wanted to make and after really are an extension of their embassy without members also points then i place it on a different matter although it's not something that worries me for the moment and i think it's because we've done very severe global diplomacy and. and there is no change in the how do you go about doing it for who don't want to show strength and you know play with this as a victory because you know that's what all possibly should and will eventually meet up with as well as for that point to. what is being made of the fact that germany
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was singled out on this that melinda. well one thing we do need to say is that so far no other ambassador and certainly plenty of other european union member countries have engaged in behavior similar to germany's from declaring their support for one goh i don't know over a month ago and recognizing him as the legitimate interim president to going to the airport last monday to meet mr white when he landed with the clear intent of trying to do what they could to ensure his safety and freedom from a rest so yes that makes it peculiar that this one particular ambassador has been singled out perhaps it has something to do with the fact that mr crean or spoke to international press at the airport on monday and was very clear about the reason why he was there and about europe's support for
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a cleaner but i think going beyond that most people here do see this as an attempt to make germany an example to put pressure on europe the germany and yet as i said the german foreign minister made it clear that in his view that's not going to work. linda germany now says it is consulting with its allies how united is europe ball on this issue of recognizing one. so far quite united we've even seen countries that aren't always on the same page as their other e.u. fellow members like hungary getting behind one gado very quickly and even taking in refugees people who are leaving venezuela to get away from the current turmoil so at the moment there is a lot of solidarity and especially between those countries that did send their ambassadors to the airport on monday that was portugal spain france germany all of
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those very much now on this line of saying we completely support why do as interim president and we want to see action from venezuela to resolve this. also just like the. president seemingly has pretty much most of the world except for china and russia right against him. and yet he's still in power why dose is still around which way is this moving. well we haven't really the last few months and that's a little surprising right popularity and a strange one when you go yeah let max help in ensuring a secret church as well but there are also a lot of people. and that all shows the strength and support within the country which yesterday he met with. workers that were once. and for the government so on the net needs to charlotte strain and
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actions like the one caveat against. will be used for propaganda and show. on what happens in a square and i think that what is going towards. declarer's on on the ground. so we have a situation where that is why the singles out the german ambassador is german his response and likely to be a german response so part of a wider european response absolutely part of a wider european response so one of the things the foreign ministry did say today is that germany is consulting with its e.u. partner countries and talking to them about where this goes from here so i think we can certainly expect some form of collective response and as you know the. foreign policy their own foreign policy fishel that federico
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morgan he has also been very outspoken in her support for the interim president so there's not a level of daylight here between the member countries and i think we can expect to continue seeing them try to act jointly willing to train and lead an ostrich like and caracas thank you both. in case you're interested there latest news of breck's it is at essentially there is no news talks between british ministers and the e.u. chief negotiator and let the european commission to say today that brett's in negotiations have been difficult and that those solution has been identified to the irish backstop and parliament of prime minister theresa may it once again lawmakers to back that agreement but she said the rights of e.u. citizens in britain would still be respected if britain leaves the room without a deal at the end of this month.
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so let's talk to a man with a particular insight into this is thomas mathew second form a german ambassador to the united nations and to the united kingdom he's now a senior advisor with flynn to global lobbyists and risk management welcome to d w . so this is a great big mess two years on what do you think prompted britain's decision to leave i think it's a combination a combination between the feeling that my everyday life is being determined by some unelected grey man in brussels you know telling me what to do and how to live plus outrageous lies by the backs of campaign like the three hundred fifty million on the side of the boston globe or britain etc etc so that's that led to this decision ok so when you went to the u.k. back in two thousand and two view of germany's ambassador what sort of people did
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you find that i found wonderful people you know i came back to britain i lived in britain in the late seventy's already had many friends my kids went to school there the study my daughter has become a british citizen the second time the life my grandchildren are british and so on i thing. it's a wonderful country which i admire a lot and much is made outside the u.k. of the volt the plant the press plays in formulating and leading public opinion about the e.u. what did you experience well the british press as a very very special. part of the prez run by an australian who has his own agenda and i think once you get used to it you can take it with a little bit of uma and i left for my successor a big file with. opticals about me which were absolutely hilarious
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about my nazi pos the bottom a coalition etc and i just loved it you know just for the record i you and alcoholic it's not sit no i'm not an alcoholic i'm not not even an ex nazi and it's interesting that yesterday although it's three years after the referendum back in two thousand and sixteen france's president said that bracks it symbolizes the crisis of a europe that has failed to respond to its people's need for protection from the major shocks of the modern world for what you said you you get it does seem that he sort of got that right i think he's got it right i think he's got it right because the e.u. has become a very very big machine which concentrates very much from institutional procedure and which does not bring across what it does for the normal for the common man so it doesn't sell its message it doesn't sound the message and what's even worse
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national governments or ways tell the people that the painful decisions are due to brussels but the good stuff is coming from the national governments ok so given given that characterization of the brussels grayness when you look around the twenty eight countries do you see another opportunity for. exit from the e.u. well i would have said yes about two years ago about people who watch very carefully what's going on in britain and i think that has a not too late it has a minister even they tell you ns on this so this is one of the very very few good things about breaks it if you be look at that mess which is going on in westminster if we look at the enormous amount of venom and poison i think them not many takers for another go it breaks it and so given that then what does the e.u. do just to see you continue as it always has done. focusing on principles and
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procedures it talks about change when the price of a vote happen the day after the chance of battles that just we we must listen to what has been said and we must change and then she talked about more europe but closer europe. they don't seem to be listening. they don't listen but some people listen i think it was absolutely fascinating to watch mark or running at selection compan on the slogan people to europe which protects and he's come out with a with some slogans with some programs which all of a sudden had an enormous residence especially the young generation you had huge demonstrations across europe parts of europe if you look at the german state election of area for instance the greens on a pro european edge and did very very well i think if you explain to people
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properly what you quote europe can do for you how it can protect you against the winds of globalization against unregulated immigration thing then you can make a case but you're absolutely right we in germany didn't do it so far this is still as it is difficult to generalize across a block or twenty eight countries but you talk about macro setting europe he's been criticized he was criticized yesterday that his statement that he sometimes imagine france once and his critics say well whatever. in hungary there was a will whatever it was the czech republic actually of the czech republic or saying whatever france talks about we the greater the greater you're abusing the main just france it's not so it's a message that's easily misinterpreted isn't it of course you can misinterpret it but you can also interpreted right he did not speak about france's spoke about europe because he feels european look when the tectonic plates are shifting in the
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world you have the empire china russia you have trump going at the international order with a sledge the only chance for europe is to get their act together and to do things together how do you see straight trade wars for instance against on regulated immigration on climate etc and i think you know one of the founding fathers. the you all only spock seventy years ago said that two kinds of european countries small countries and countries who have been on the start yet that small and we are all small we only have a chance to survive if we get our act together on foreign security policy and on financial and economic policies so those are the big things right. do you think that that's a that's a daily level that people understand but people get that ok fast but there's also how my go and support food on the table that they don't link those two issues with necessarily we don't know and i think this is
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a big failure of political elites and some will fall countries perhaps including oman and we leave the i'm so so complex on complex issues so the demagogues will give the easy answer but the wrong answer this thank you so much for joining us thanks so much is that. was the day as ever the conversation continues on line you can find some twitter. news on film. the day a good. in
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