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players. just take. the competition. most of. the checking. how long will they be able to. deal with. education starting. d.w. . populace politicians have made fresh gains in the european union this time in the stonier where a far right nationalist party more than doubled its vote in recent parliamentary elections my guest this week here in tallinn is martin helm a deputy leader of the conservative people's party of his stony despite calling for blacks to leave the country he insists he's not a racist what is he then. welcome
to comfort zone i'm happy to be here you almost doubled your support in recent elections and you did it by pressing on fears and trying to. enlarge people's fears about being replaced by black such a black invasion that's not true. not true what you just said first of all we almost tripled our affection in the parliament that almost doubled your seats from seven to nineteen and. we are not peddling on fear we are. no digitals people are being replaced with negro slaves for through no father the chairman of the budget we see only
difference with immigrants is a gross and i don't think so but it doesn't help us very much seven hundred billion plus the road for power levels does it and doesn't really even matter because other matter words matter of that well the point being that we don't want to be replaced with foreigners who's replacing you last year we saw for two consecutive years we have seen a very large influx of ukrainians russians belorussians mainly through work visas but also illegally we have seen tripling of the. exaggerated the slavs communion holds no no no in july last year your party chairman told the story in public broadcasting the twenty two thousand ukrainians were coming to his throne every year yes as the interior ministry pointed out in response to that claim the actual figure was around five thousand six hundred a year no doubt that. as the interior minister says we don't even know because this
is the official loves of a figure that is still fish from number but they don't even know how many people come in illegally and it is there you know no you know no no but but we haven't so you exaggerated almost further but we have an estimate which says that we have and we have we can extrapolate numbers from workforce from tax offices we have a general number which is somewhere between twenty and thirty thousand in one ear and also another number we have seen here disputed by the gov. it's the government's. that is have access to the thirty percent of the vote is one of the big yes actually we do have access to statistics and we gathered that statistics from different sources. this is one of the privileges of being in parliament you can. write. questions to different ministers to different offices and ask statistics and you put the numbers together but also i want to give you
a number we've been told that there is no immigration to estonia no no sizeable immigration to estonia from the third world. well it's it's small compared to let's say finland sweden germany but within two years we have had a tripling of nigerians in estonia let's look at the facts there with by march last year let's look at the immigrants who've been allowed into a store here called in to the e.u. quota so the government by march last year the government had accepted two hundred and six migrants and that time and even eighty eight of them weren't even in the country so last march you had to cope with the massive figure of one hundred fourteen immigrants brought to you to see of the gillies quota system so on the basis of these figures you claim indigenous astonied ends up being replaced by black people not just by battles in terms of set but that there are two things we
don't as a class but i'm just talking about the migrants well it doesn't make any difference to us this is a guy explosion a little sorry this does not make any difference whether they are from hugh crane or from reggie area it's a matter that they are not a stone ians and but i am sure mines are generating well if you. don't know we are not in the union to set a cap on my isms our usual under government is lying or not the government doesn't know what its doing but is approved most of the human easy to say government like government does it has admitted on numerous occasions that they don't even know how many people have come from ukraine over the past few years they just don't know and then they say but officer figure is here well sorry the official figure doesn't cut it but i wanted i want to i want to stress an important issue isto the up together with latvia is a country in europe with the highest number of immigrant people overall we have
once thirty five me. it's one third one third is not a stone yours now this is the backs you particularly noticeable. no you said it in twenty thirteen if you're black go back and i want to stone me and to be a white country these were your words in turkey thirteen television talk show here . but we were roundly condemned by other politicians including the human rights group here in parliaments what eighty percent of stone as if we had a there was apologists own eighty percent of a stone and agreed with that statement so take it as this event you presented with a stone and you would have been but you would have won the elections you don't win the elections we did very well but i want to us about this this visit this was clearly grimaces of what. we will get to the racism issue but this was back when i wasn't a politician in an elected office i was a talking head in
a commentator show you haven't changed your views have you know exactly so what's the relevance of the law that helen says that when you say a talking head you are allowed to say things out or actually you are expected to say things out in a more up front so you will argue you won is the beauty of life you are as black go back and as the human rights group in parliament pointed out at the time a call to treat dark skinned people differently from others is an ambiguously racist view of what is really in europe nowadays is the replacement of indigenous people that is pure racism and we don't have to agree to that in the interviews and we were on the grounds of the know why don't you do we don't we send you on change your views if you're black go bad as i just explained to you there is no difference to us whether they come from ukraine or nigeria or from any other part of the world i wouldn't like estonia to be replaced with swedes either i just don't want or i
want estonia to be estonian and that is as simple as that and if people say that refusal to partition. hate in an ethnic. collective ethnic suicide is very system then that word has no meaning left a massive influx of immigrants you said would lead to pillaging and raping of a stone in town as it is migrants can i just ask the question how many migrants shown themselves to be rapists and legit as you've suggested the way out what a bunch of outweighing were even with the tiny numbers that you just pointed out we have two cases of syrians in jail right now for trying to in light their wives so into so it's turned their bits to two you've tired there is that is what i show and raping and pillaging is one percent said that the user is wrong also does it deny do dinoire that there is a massive massive problem with criminality in sweden finland germany u.k.
that also qualify years by what other figure that is brought in by immigrant muslin army you claimed in there with what brushes what is what what are the figures what are the percentages of migrants who are involved in drugs you don't know of other course i do but i don't have it on each of us countries but in mean in norway the rape ratios have gone up thousand fold that's not in our thousands of old who says a grown up without the numbers figure there is a norwegian statistic says to us your. painting strange facts i mean do you know do you just come out you pluck numbers out of thin air well it's a big lie do you it's a big no no i've got the figures from the government i got the know you can trust their government oh wow ok so you know i'm just the girl you have your alternative facts or you don't have just just like donald trump i don't trust i don't just think that you should trust the government there is
a reason why opposition exists and that is to hold the government. to the standard new you know knowing the government the fiddles with numbers you point that out to you you like the trump playbook of. putting your own facts for while it's based on i like trump let's say. speaking of donald trump your holding on to your hands for a billion dollars in military one but you know why why should we bother with you do you know the budget the united states. spends on military aid in one year tell me it's fifty one fifty two billion a year no it isn't that's another forty years it is forty seven forty eight billion i checked that fact as you well know forty seven forty eight billion over the last forty years they spend a lot of money on it so none of mine it's fifty five it is fifty it was not billion by our account i don't know we don't you're doing your accounting then your accounting is wrong this is these are state department figures. this is the number
that our military experts have told us this is the number that doesn't always necessarily leaves united states because they usually support their allies by basically buying their own military equipment from their own military complex and then giving it to their allies or even more so by bit buying new military equipment to the united states army and giving the old one to the allies one sure one surely doesn't have to leave united states why why should the us give you money when black american troops in the. back in twenty fifteen were racially abused on the streets of york not true not go back to your grandparents and nigeria not this was the comment that resulted and this was a fake news this has been proven to be a fake news total fake news so it was a fake news and it was fake news when madison one of your people said oh if
they're worried about being. harassed on the streets they should wear their uniforms so this is not an fake mass not sampras's i know that's not fake news that was a comment taken out of context everything is taken out of context and because the media is extraordinarily hostile towards us so now you have the victims i know you know we can be turning up where our target was something that you said maybe a little bit as a victory as this is there a dissent from a certain kind no you're basically going to fight us we're never victims they're fighters but fighting for their stone and people are you fighting for stoning people by trolling and using false names for articles i mean one moment you're the victim of press heris manton press lies and now we discover that. you're setting up fake facebook accounts and trolling. there was a one that specificity is no no matter how little christina and i answered that
there was one single particular case of one of our members sending an article an opinion article to a left leaning newspaper which trashed our party and he wanted to prove that a left leaning newspaper would publish anything that trashes us without any regard who sends it or who it isn't we don't know without any background checks and he was right any other trolling no one has any proof that we are doing any massive trolling but why why did you why did you lie about it when it first came out the party didn't know about it the pilot about this sort of not until the party was not informed about and they said it wasn't true here because we could have said we don't know. nothing so you lied about it no we didn't like about it the ethics ombudsman to the istana public broadcaster called this fraudulent activity he said if any attempt is made to influence public opinion under a pseudonym this can be justified on the grounds of freedom of expression fact
public decision i will be on the green with no rubbish because people write under the pseudonym all the time. uncertainty all the time doesn't make a right doesn't well if we all do it why we are singled out but you know there is no proof and there is no real there is no real operation on our part to have a massive army of trolls what we do have is a very motivated and quite large. number of people in facebook who support us wholeheartedly and do it under their own name in january you called on the police to do more to contain all the people who are attacking and threatening your party. do you think we shouldn't do think we shouldn't report and then chances more and you mind telling that we're the ones who shouldn't report death threats and you warned you might take measures into your own hands would you mean well for instance we have to actually have had to hire bodyguards
for people in public events because we're not sure that the police can handle it you've been associating with the so called soldiers of odin not an immigrant group founded so man it was really hard to have. yes well first of all what i want to say about soldiers over the and. this is not a group this is a boogie man for the left. they have done nothing wrong why should they be demonized but we have no official ties to the whatsoever from they have appeared in the number of rallies attended by a party torchlight procession to mark a stone this is a public square this is a public awareness why shouldn't they be there fair patriots as we walked in forces no no order no no we don't have to be sixteen the prime minister thought so he said in the republican to stand there know and order is in force by this tony and police
self-proclaimed gangs don't increase the stone in people's sense of security in any way rather the opposite well it was a political debate where the prime minister then prime minister was trying to score political points but again. something you would never know another was what this is something that everyone does that's my point but demonizing patriotic people who are concerned very concerned about the public safety is it below a prime minister you demonize judges tend to demonize no i don't demonize as i. tell you i do so i don't see my religious who do politics human who did that three talent circuit court judges women female judge should be fired should be fired absolutely wanted their heads to roll here that's an expression of this because the judges allowed a same sex marriage to be entered into the register a real it directly breaking a stone your law by doing that and you set out to threaten them i set the they sure
were significantly and so threatened i said geez people are no judges they have broken the law and they have actually done something much worse they have wandered into the territory of parliament and they should not be allowed to continue being judges you know as i said i don't throw democracy want more democracy i want to go around threatening people that you disagree with i want to through times of israel you really think that. churches should be able to break laws and make laws that they like then we have a very different opinion what the democracy of blackman's were condemned by the chief justice of the supreme court and the president both condemned your statement here you remove the march liberals you doesn't matter does or doesn't but of course it does and often to do so automatically wrong because they let you all know that magically bush ition they like the decision but their decision was
a political decision judges should not be making laws this is breaking the separation of powers they are absolute they are a disgrace to the office and you didn't mind the fact they were women's world you said i want a threat to be heard from this rostrum i want their heads to roll because it cannot be that some women this is very dismissive of women that some women come together and just change dystonia nors would you have reacted differently if the judges have been men no problem i don't know you and i'll show no not to show i mean i would probably have used some other dismissive but my contempt towards those people is still the same the concept was enlarged by the fact that they were women was no that's your opinion that's not that's it's the you just assume it. your face says something else you are i want to protest this i remarried man i have four daughters notice that i have to do one thing for the other got to do with only
daughters i have two sisters i have utmost respect for women i have never haver treated women with anything but respect but i do not like when judges take laws into their own hand. you had a good election results matter how many but in the end it still wasn't as big as you wanted was it not as close you didn't you didn't win the election you overestimate your appeal i don't think we expected expected or ever expressed that we expected to win the elections even by scaring people people are scared anyway let's go look at the first week in january this year your father the party chairman warned of a dire international plots to the set of confederation of leaders we're aiming to turn the united nations into a world government by twenty thirty this is what donald trump stands against this is what we stand against this we do this is nonsense better someone who doesn't have a shred of evidence to. judge how do you not read the market treaty the markets treaty
basically says that everything concerning gratian should be the prerogative of the united states. and i do nations so this is this is one of the government by twenty thirty don't make any use of well you know i'm dane don't make any secret of their desire to pull power to you know there are lots of people who do lots of things you said of one of government by it why do you think this is a baltic ferry oh no we are you know many evidently as we are sovereign it's we are against any attempts to take away power from the nation states you talked about a plot there isn't a plot is that how do you know oh how did oh how can you be of your the ones who talk about it so you chuck any old munson's into the mix and expect people to believe it there's no plot you haven't won a shred of evidence for that do you beg to differ everything i have in c. i think the entire history of the united nations shows you that they are bent on
taking power so it's an intention. isn't the reason the pensions matter don't or isn't the real plans where they come from then in reality is stone millions don't seem to care much at all about your plots and conspiracies do the coding to count out more published in the most last november the top fear among almost twenty percent of those polled was that radicals in populists come to power do you know what a second and the third fear was i'm talking about this don't you know what our second try says one is those who cared about mass immigration iraq twice and the center and was immediately. right third third ok but the first close at a state of the facts and right i can't remember any poll that was done in november but the point is that the immigration was all also in top of those concerns who don't share your views about a lot of things the e.u.
for instance you know views about the e.u. . conducted to show that a massive seventy five percent of the stone ians agree that the showing an area has more value to some band disadvantages for the you're making you making a simple mistake we don't go by the polls we do what we do because we believe in it and only go by that and we mobilize enough people to support our course and we don't care who is against us what matters is what the support for us is of course when we get twenty percent there are eighty percent who don't vote for us but that's the logic of every party the one who just won the parliamentary election after seventy one percent of the seventy something percent is against. you're out of touch with the mainstream then aren't you we are the mainstream and we don't really we are doing stimulus to barking at the e.u. and cures and using years of becoming totalitarian hasn't it hasn't it why do people like personally most people don't like european union that all look modeled
on love really seventy one percent were very or fairly optimistic about the units are. under sixty six percent agreed the e.u. was a place of stability in the troubled world that sounds very much as though they like and who who commissioned that poll you're a barometer exactly you're the only negative there's a lot of negative union asked as i got in there did you like us there is a consistently also nothing was i wrong no no no but you get on there are three what you want you to question your economic figures. not there's no doubt about twenty seventeen. member of the european union you're g.d.p. grew by a massive four point nine percent that's a good result inside the e.u. . but. the e.u. has been good for your economy not a question as of course it hasn't i mean really the point nine percent growth in
g.d.p. isn't a good result you didn't notice to twenty percent drop during the two thousand and nine and ten twenty percent. of what you think the two other countries doesn't but notice it now european union has no business where you have to hark back to the g.d.p. growth this european union has for twenty three months it's european union has nothing to do with one of the fastest growing we can't have it in your words your harking back to figures ten years ago but ten years we're in the middle of a class where the recession i saw two thousand and seven there was a very good global year for growth as well i mean you can't have it both ways we were in your opinion in ten years ago and we were we were a country the most with the most horrid loss of g.d.p. everybody lost yeah but the loss of most everybody we were the we were the worst in the people. but let's bring in economics you say you really want to say there is a. european union is stable in your mind so they're saying we see
a different world you say it's like the soviet union exactly which is exciting to those countries and of yours included here that lived through remember ashton happened to remember the soviet union and i had some particular smiles and says no it isn't who haven't lived under the soviet rule might not recognize the trends but the trends are unmistakable marjon oppression that characterized the soviet union did you not we do not know if you actually wanted to murder in the pen. nudity pin because you were saying the wrong things in public this is precisely what happened this is gradually come to her house the harassment is the same and the handsomest the. exactly did you do have you not noticed the people have been put into prison prison in european union for hate speech this is censorship this is the same as it was in the old i was the one who was
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