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they seek shelter. lots of. the. populace politicians have made fresh gains in the european union this time in the stonier where a far right nationalist party more than doubled its vote in recent parliamentary elections my guest this week here in tallinn is martin helm a deputy leader of the conservative people's party of astounding despite calling for blacks to leave the country he insists he's not a racist what is he then my.
martin helmick welcome to come for example i'm happy to be here you almost doubled your support in recent elections and you did it by pressing on fears and trying to. enlarge people's fears about being replaced by a black such a black convention that's not true. not true what you just said first of all we almost tripled our faction in the parliament that almost doubled your seats from seven to nineteen and. we are not peddling on fears we are. another day early digitals people are being replaced with negroes that's for sure neither the chairman of the party was immigrants with immigrants and i don't think so but doesn't that was very myself and an opinion piece he wrote for power levels does it and doesn't really even matter because
other matter words matter of that well the point being that we don't want to be replaced in a stone with four of us who's replacing you last year we saw for two consecutive years we have seen a very large influx of ukrainians russians belorussians mainly through work but also illegally we have seen a tripling of the. exaggerated the slavs communion hold you no no no in july last year your party chairman told a story in public broadcasting that twenty two thousand ukrainians were coming to his throne every year yes as the interior ministry pointed out in response to that claim the actual figure was around five thousand six hundred a year no doubt that. as the interior minister says we don't even know because this is the official results of a figure that is the official number but they don't even know how many people come in illegally and there is no no no you know there were no but but we have and so
you exaggerate it almost for an hour but we have an estimate which says that we have and we have we can extrapolate numbers from workforce from tax offices we have a general number which is somewhere between twenty and thirty thousand in one ear and also another number we have seen disputed by the gov weld it's the government. that is have access to the thirty percent of the vote is one of the big yes actually we do have access to statistics and we gather that statistics from different sources. this is one of the privileges of being in parliament you can. write. questions to different ministers to different offices and statistics and you put the numbers together but also i want to give you a number we've been told that there is no immigration to a stone a no no sizeable immigration to estonia from the third world. well it's
it's small compared to say finland sweden germany but within two years we have had a tripling of nigerians in estonia let's look at the facts there with by march last year let's look at the immigrants who've been allowed into a stone here to the e.u. quota so the government by march last year the government had accepted two hundred and six migrants and that's that time and even eighty eight of them weren't even in the country so last march you had to cope with a massive figure of one hundred fourteen immigrants brought to you well to see of the gillies quota system so on the basis of these figures you claim indigenous is the only ones are being replaced by black people not just by bad as it turns out and set that there are two things we don't as a class but i'm just talking about the migrants well it doesn't make any difference to us this isn't the explosion in a single sorry this does not make any difference whether they are from hugh crane
or from nigeria it's a matter that they are not estonians and but i am sure my saturating well if you. don't know we are not in the union has set a cap on the rise in south asia two hundred government is lying or not the government doesn't know what its doing but the proof of most of the human easy to say government like government does and has admitted on numerous occasions that they don't even know how many people have come from ukraine over the past few years they just don't know and then they say but officer figure is here well sorry the official figure doesn't cut it but i wanted i wanted i want to stress an important issue isto the up together with latvia is a country in europe with the highest number of immigrant people overall we have once third time me. it's one third one third is not a stone years now this is the facts you particularly noticeable. nope i said it in
twenty thirteen if you're black go back and i want to stone me and to be a white country these were your words in turkey thirteen television talk show here . but i we were roundly condemned by other politicians including the human rights group here in parliament but eighty percent of stern and we had a there was apologists own eighty percent of its tone and agreed with that statement so take it as it is conveyed to present the stoneman you would have been but you would have won the elections you don't win the elections you came first we did very well but i want to us about the status of this visit. as of what i please . we will get to the racism issue but this was back when i wasn't a politician in an elected office i was a talking head. commentator show you have sold your views have you know exactly so what's the relevance of below the relevance is that when you say talking heads you
are allowed to say things or actually you're expected to say things out in a more up front so you want lost you won as the birds your films i feel as black go back and as the human rights group in parliament pointed out at the time a call to treat dark skinned people differently from others is an ambiguously racist view what is racism in europe nowadays is the replacement of indigenous people that is pure racism and we don't have to agree to that discriminates of humans and we were on the grounds of the common no i don't miss you do we don't we send you on change your views if you're black go bad as i just explained to you there is no difference to us whether they come from ukraine or nigeria or from any other part of the world i wouldn't like a stoner to be replaced with swedes either i just don't want or i want a stoner to be estonian and that is as simple as that and if people say that a refusal to partition. it in an ethnic. collective ethnic suicide
is racism then that word has no meaning left a massive influx of immigrants you said would lead to pillaging and raping of a stone in town as it is migrants can i just ask the question how many migrants from shown themselves to be rapists and religious as you've suggested been way out what a bunch of outweighing well even with the tiny numbers that you just pointed out we have two cases of syrians in jail right now for trying to in light their wives so into so it's turned their bits to two you've tired that is that is what i show and raping and look images is one percent of the danger is wrong does it deny do dinoire that there is a massive massive problem with criminality in sweden finland germany u.k. that also qualify yours by what other figure that is brought in by immigrant muslim number you claimed in their brushes what what what are the figures what are the
percentages of migrants who are involved in drama who don't know the other course i do but i don't have each of us predators but in mean in norway the rape ratios have gone up thousand fold that's not a phenomena thousands of old who says a grown up without the numbers figure out there is a norwegian statistic says to us your. painting strange facts i mean do you know do you just come out you pluck numbers out of thin air well it's a big lie do you it's a big no no i've got the figures from the government i took the job you trust the government though how so you know i'm just the go you have your alternative facts or you don't have just like donald trump i don't just i don't just think that you should trust the government there is a reason why opposition exists and that is to hold the government. to the standard no you know we like the government to fiddles with numbers you point that out to
you you like the trump playbook of. putting your own facts forward islands based on like trump that's a specific speaking of donald trump your holding on to your hands for a billion dollars in military ninety one but you know why why should we bother with you do you know the budget the united states. spends on military aid in one year tell me it's fifty one fifty two billion a year no it isn't that's over forty years and there's forty seven forty eight billion i checked that fact as you well know forty seven forty eight billion over the last forty years they spend a lot of money on now it's not out of mind it's only fifty want it is fifty there's not any and by our count i don't know we don't you're doing your accounting then your accounting is wrong this is those are state department figures. this is the number that our military experts have told us this is the number that doesn't always necessarily leaves united states because they usually support their allies
by basically buying their own military equipment from their own military complex and then giving it to their allies or even more so by buying new military commitment to the united states army and giving the old one to the allies one show why surely doesn't have to leave united states why why should the us give you money when black american troops in the to unify. back in two hundred fifteen were racially abused on the streets of york not true not go back to your grandparents and nigeria not this was the comment that was started and this was a fake news this has been proven to be a fake. total fake news yes so it was a fake news and it was fake news when you had madison one of your people said oh if they're worried about being. on the streets they should wear their uniforms so this is not an mascots that causes i know that's not big news that was
a comment taken out of context everything is taken out of context is because the media is extraordinary hostile towards us so now you have the victims i know we can examine where our target was something that you said and maybe it's a little bit we as a victory as this in there of descent from a certain kind knowing basically as if the fighters were never a victim's their fighters were fighting for their stone and people are you fighting for a stone in people by trolling and using false names for articles and in one moment you are the victim of press heris menton press lies and now we discover that . you're setting up fake facebook accounts and trolling. there was a one that specificity is no no no no no martin have another. one i answered that there was one single particular case of one of our members sending an article an opinion article to a left leaning newspaper which trashed our party and he wanted to prove
that a left leaning newspaper would publish anything that trashes us without any regard who sends it or who it isn't we don't know without any background checks and he was right any other trolling no one has any proof that we are doing any massive trolling what my mom had to do where you had to lie about it when it first came out the party did know about it the pi lied about this sort of not untrue the party was not informed about and they said it wasn't true because we could have said we don't know. nothing so you lied about it no we didn't lie about it the ethics ombudsman to the istana public broadcaster called this fraudulent activity you said if any attempt is made to influence public opinion under a pseudonym this can't be justified on the grounds of freedom of expression rubbish fact public decision i would have gone to great with them but i don't because people write under the pseudonym all the time. people right all the time doesn't
make a right doesn't well if we all do it why we are singled out but you are there is no proof and there is no room there is no real operation on our part to have a massive army of trolls what we do have is a very motivated and quite large. number of people in facebook who support us wholeheartedly and do it under their own name in january you called on the police to do more to contain all the people who are attacking and threatening your party. do you think we shouldn't do think we shouldn't report and then chances more injury minded think that we're the ones who shouldn't report death threats and you want you might take measures into your own hands what did you mean well for instance we have to we actually have had to hire bodyguards for top people in public events because we're not sure that the police can handle
it you've been associating with the so called soldiers of odin. the immigrant group founded by man it was really hard to have. yeah well first of all what i want to say about soldiers over the n is. this is not a group this is a bogeyman for the left. they have done nothing wrong why should they be demonized but we have no official ties to the whatsoever they have appeared in the number of rallies attended by a party torchlight procession to market this is a public where this is a public event why shouldn't they be there they are patriots as we walked in forces will be no wonder we know no we are not ready sixteen the prime minister thought so he said in the republic of his stand there nor and order is in force by this tony and police self-proclaimed gangs don't increase the stone in people's sense of security in any way rather the opposite here well it was a political debate where the prime minister then prime minister was trying to score
political points but again. something you would never know another was this is something that everyone does that's my point but demonizing patriotic people who are concerned very concerned about the public safety is it below a prime minister you demonize judges to demonize no i don't demonize as i tell you i do so don't see my religious who do politics human who did that three talent circuit court judges women female judge should be fired should be fired absolutely wanted their heads to roll here that's an expression of this because the judges allowed a same sex marriage to be entered into the register a little it directly breaking a stone your law by doing that and you set out to threaten them i set the they sure were significantly and so threatened eyes and do these people are no judges they have broken the law and they have actually done something much worse they have
wandered into the territory of parliament and they should not be allowed to continue being judges you're nice to say don't throw democracy want more democracy want to go around threatening people that you disagree with i want to through time reasons really really think that. churches should be able to break laws and make laws that they like then we have a very different opinion what the democracy your blinds were condemned by the chief justice of the supreme court and the president both condemned your statement here you remove the march liberals you doesn't matter does or doesn't but of course it does and it is a liberal automatically wrong because they all know that magically bush ition they like the decision but their decision was a political decision judges should not be making laws this is breaking the separation of powers they are absolute they are a disgrace to the office and you didn't like the fact they were women's world to
you said i want a threat to be heard from this rostrum i want their heads to roll because it cannot be that some women this is very dismissive of women that some women come together and just change dystonia northwood you've reacted to the judges have been man no problem i don't see you on our show no the show i mean i would probably have used some other dismissive but my contempt towards those people is still the same the contempt was enlarged by the fact that there were women was no that's your opinion that's not that's the you just assume it. your face says something else you are i want to protest this i were married man i have four daughters notice that i have to do my having fun isn't going to do with only daughters i have two sisters i have utmost respect for women i have never haver
cheated women with anything but respect but i do not like when judges think laws into their own hand. you had a good election results matter how many but in the end it still wasn't as big as you wanted was it not as close you didn't you didn't win the election you overestimate your appeal i don't think we expected expected or ever expressed that we expected to win the elections even by scaring people people are scared anyway let's go look at the first week in january this year your father the party chairman warned of a dire international plots to the set of confederation of leaders we're aiming to turn the united nations into a world government by twenty thirty this is what dung trump stands against this is what we stand against this we do this is nonsense that no one who doesn't have a shred of evidence to. judge how do not read the market treaty the markets treaty basically says that everything concerning gratian should be the prerogative of
united states. and i do nations so this is one of the government by twenty third don't make any use of well you know i'm game don't make any secret of their desire to pull power to you know there are lots of people who do lots of things you said that of one of the government by twenty five this is a baltic ferry no no we are you know many evidently as we are sovereign it's we are against any attempts to take away power from the nation states you talked about a plot there isn't a plot is that how do you know of how do you know how can you be sure of what you are the ones who talk about it so you chuck any old nonsense into the mix and expect people to believe there's no plot you haven't won a shred of evidence for that do you have to defend everything i have been i think the entire history of the united nations shows you that they are bent on taking power so it's an intention. isn't the reason the pensions matter don't or isn't the
real plans where they come from then in reality isto millions don't seem to care much at all about your plots and conspiracies do the coding to canda more published in the most last november the top fear among almost twenty percent of those polled was that magical populists come to power through the last second and the third fear was i'm talking about there's no you know what a second twice as many as those who cared about mass immigration twice and the second was immigration right third third ok but the first close they have stuck to the facts and right i can't remember any poll that was done in november but the point is that immigration was all also in top of those concerns and you don't share your views about a lot of things the e.u. for instance you know views about the e.u. . conducted show that a massive seventy five percent of the stone eons agree that the showing an area has more value to some disadvantages for your maybes are you making
a simple mistake we don't go by the polls we do what we do because we believe in it . and we mobilize enough people to support our course and we don't care who is against us what matters is what the support for us is of course when we get twenty percent there are eighty percent who don't vote for us but that's the logic of every party the one who just won the parliamentary election after seventy percent of the seventy something percent is against. you're out of touch with the mainstream then aren't you we are the mainstream and we don't really we are the main stream minister of barking at the e.u. accused of using years of becoming totalitarian hasn't it hasn't it why didn't you point i personally most people don't like your opinion that all the got muddled on logic really seventy one percent were very or fairly optimistic about the united search on the other sixty six percent agreed the e.u.
was a place of stability in the troubled world that sounds very much as though they like and who who commissioned that poll you're a barometer you know exactly you know this is not only negative there's a lot of negativity unionised has like us and they do like us there is a consistently also nothing was i wrong no no no but you get in there you are so what you want you to question your economic figures. not there's no doubt about them of the twenty seventeen. member of the european union your g.d.p. grew by a massive four point nine percent that's a good result inside the e.u. . but inside the e.u. has been good for your economy not a question hasn't of course it hasn't i mean really the point nine percent growth in g.d.p. isn't the good result that you didn't notice to twenty percent drop during the two thousand and nine and ten twenty percent. of what you think i own two other countries doesn't but now does it now and european union has no business but you
have to hark back to the g.d.p. growth this european union is for preventing france it's european the other has nothing to do with one of the fastest growing we can't have it in you're going to have your harking back to figures ten years ago here but ten years you were here in the middle of a class where the recession i saw two thousand and seven there was a very good global year for growth as well i mean you can't have it both ways we were in your opinion in ten years ago and we were we were a country that most with the most horrid loss of g.d.p. everybody lost yeah but they lost most everybody we were the we were the worst in the indian people. but let's bring in economics to say to you really want to say there is a. european union is stable in your mind so they're saying we we see a different world you say it's like the soviet union exactly which is exciting to those countries and of yours included here that live to us
a little refresher happened to remember the soviet union and i had some pretty negative smiles and says no it isn't who haven't lived under the soviet rule might not recognize the trends but the trends are unmistakable marjon oppression that characterized the soviet union did you not we do not know if you actually wanted to murder in the pen. nudity pin because you were saying the wrong things in public this is precisely what happened this is going to only come to the house the house. is the same and the hellenists this. exactly did you do have you not noticed the people have been put into prison prison in your opinion or for hate speech this is censorship this is the same as it was in the euro zone where you were the star wars in the countries marked in how it's been good to have your conference. thank you time's up.
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