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in central. culture the state. promised to is such a strong leader john returned to the concrete and glass jungle of new york. the result of culture. from the far east starts people first w. . britain's foreign secretary has warned of brecht's it paralysis in the u.k. but there are frantic efforts underway to prevent bad happening my guest this week here in london is nigel mills a member of the progress it european research group which has consistently campaigned for a tough deal with brussels tougher than the one currently on the table or no deal at all last week though mr mills changed his mind and decided to support to resume
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may's agreement other diehards finally calling it a day. by john mills welcome to conflict zone thank you have you finally accepted that the european union is not going to blink when it comes to the deal on the table they finally mean what they said this is the only deal available but the deal has not changed substantially since november so aside from some clarification i think we have to accept that psni very likely situation i think you could rule out them trying to help the prime minister at the summit by offering a few of clarifications or a couple more meeting interpretations by don't think the substance there is going to change in the state so your colleagues in the g. the european research group fundamentally underestimated the in the. well i think
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it saying it was going to blink i mean we had this return to britain didn't we the e.u. will blink at the eleventh hour but we're not there yet we need to hold our nerve they were never going to blink ever estimated only a shooting abilities in our situation were estimated but our earth i think we are and i think any of us when we set out on this after the referendum for we end up in this situation of you know having no idea what the future partnership is being asked to sign a transition which restricts our partnerships and you not not really have anything in return for it but no i mean you have held firm to their positions about may not have been a sensible tactic for them we haven't quite know how the next week or so will go you know we still haven't agreed a deal we still haven't agreed an extension you know they're still screwing around if i do agree that the government agreed to do it agreed really having gone through parliament to mean that's the key thing but this is this idea that the e.u. always blinks which we've heard from many of your colleagues this it was
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a fundamentally force assumption wasn't it that somehow britain had equal cards with the e.u. it didn't never did in this negotiation i think once it became clear the government weren't really serious about us leaving that a deal then we didn't have equal cards now at that point your asking for something in you could almost take what you give in haven't you but though the us the largest trading group in the world they hold all the cards it's their club that you're leaving they will decide what rules apply should you wish to take advantage of some of the. privileges on offer. with that club yeah for i think what i thought we had in our manifesto eighteen months or so ago was that we wanted to create a comprehensive training arrangement with the baby agreed on those who've come under every one of those with the japan i'd be quite happy just to replicate the terms of that i'm not asking them for anything that's the largest trading agreement in the world currently which britain is walking away from but if you were signed with the largest trading well that's not the arrangement that we have with the you
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currently walking away from a political union with the european union not walking away from trading relationships that say would be quite high you won't be able to take advantage of that deal will you but we would can create a similar one with japan i mean they've said they want to have various questions it won't be the same for me will be a similar one but i think if your contention is that there was nothing here you know what we have to agree to anything you are ever going to offer us and you know i think we would have been quite happy many of us to take you know i think we may well you often other people who are further away who are less big market and we don't have a hundred billion pound a year surplus which we did have some cards to play then we played them pretty badly the european research group seems to be now doing the blinking we're seeing former minister estimate they say that she's going to vote for two reasons most deal even david davis the former minister and now jacob reese mug says he's undecided these groups so the die hards are finally calling it
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a day either while i voted for the deal last week so if i was a diehard i call it a day but i you know i think you have to look at the facts as they are on the day you make your voting decision and you know i don't like this there is a lot of great situation to put the country in mr constraining ourselves in the way we we shouldn't be doing but some of the options of now left the table within. the government to until last week haven't said whether they would do no deal or not if a deal failed now made it perfectly clear that they don't want to do you know the apartment may be clear the parliament want to. no deal breaks it so the choice is now the prime minister's deal or what looks like a long extension and i think it's clear to me that the deal is the better better boasting you talk about facts but it's been hard to sort of some of the fantasies that you brag city has sold to the public in twenty sixteen before the referendum hasn't really like the promise from david davis himself to have negotiated a free trade area ten times the size of the e.u. by the autumn of twenty eighteen where did fantasies like that come from lighter
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fantasy but. we voted to leave. they should have been able to have a constructive dialogue with be able to leave by now in future partnership but not on the basis that hundreds of others that i mean might go for instance that they asked that we vote to leave we hold all the cards and we can choose the path we want what was that when i was there was some seahawks wasn't it we could have chosen to say we'll leave without a deal here's a draft free trade deal take it or leave it we didn't used to play the card in that way we've been trying to secure the government been trying to secure what looks like a hybrid half in half out relationship which the e.u. did think was cherry picking the regs to result fairy tales to the country you sold the public a pup didn't you think we did i think i think we resolve the knowledge of an independent country that can make you same decisions that wanted to have a cooperative trading relationship with it and there is maybe i think people watching this i would be a little bit confused as to why the us stuck so long to the line and they can't
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negotiate the future arrangement until we left and what people wanted us to do was leave a move into the new relationship seamlessly image just a crazy situation to say to your nearest market new approach sellers are going to even talk to you about your future relationship until you've actually walked out the door you know where the logic you know about one of things is driven to they simply don't know whether it's logical to to you it's logic seems logical to them and again as long as they held all those in here we are leaving date without a deal in place with our law still being to leave that's not going to be you a thousand days of disunity among the tory party factional disputes fantasy promises and almost criminal failure to consider the. good of the country and the national interest i will i think everyone can look and see political i think everyone just in for the good of the country may sell a single biggest sit in we've taken in more than my lifetime and probably from a decade of anybody in parliament voting for anything they don't think is in the national interest and i mean that's just for the unfair thing to say well if they
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had been working in the national interest we would have seen people ready to compromise ken clarke the. father of the house that the public holds the house of commons in near contempt for the fusion they see not only is opinion polarized here lots of factions are pursuing their own preferred ways but the public are even more polarized that the time of the referendum is basically saying look what you've done to the people of this country what you've done you confuse them you've polarized them and you want no result we had a referendum we thought implemented decision i think what many of us have been doing is saying we had a manifesto we went to the country here for a referendum and said here is our breakthrough plan we will not be in the customs union we will not be in the single market we want to be one of the new generation to do even that you are going to run you should talk to the well during this period you talked you argued amongst yourselves that he wouldn't talk to us until we formally triggered article fifty eight it wasn't possible to greece and before we started that two year journey to king live it was possible to associate with them
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it was possible that the number of people throw away when you can is not like conversation three years of factions inside the tory party arguing amongst themselves that's what the british public was treated to and as a result only six percent of voters see parliament in a good light now don't you hang your head in shame at that sort of figure i mean it's a terrible figure as a six for the sense approval rating this is a really hardest decision anybody's had to tell you in most difficult negotiation no one wanted to be mr on out you know i think that it is a. parliament reflects how divided the country is on this situation. given if you know from my eyes you the people's representatives can't compromise and you haven't been able to compromise formers three years what are you doing in politics anyway i politics is supposed to be about compromise is not it is this what comp i thought especially bastard into principles and honoring decisions that the people take in a referendum so knowing when to leave them behind in the national interest
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absolutely but i asked why i think most prigs it is have accepted we have to have a twenty one month transition which effectively results in staying in you for nearly an extra two years would take us to four and a half years after the referendum most of us accepted that we should pay some sort of divorce below even though. nothing in that situation i think most of us would accept that a trade deal would have in some restrictions on what changes we can make to our own regulations i think we've been all manner of compromises made to put in what we couldn't compromise on was not taking back our independence and being free to control our own affairs the irony is that your group the g one of the most divisive in many people's views actually probably has to look for consensus in britain and in twenty seventeen your former chair so elephant and as she was then described the group as supporting the government to deliver bracks it which works for everyone
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there are two broken promises in that statement that first you were so intent on supporting the government that you tried to get rid of the reason tried to force her out and. since then you have fought tooth and nail to insist that only your breath was the real brecht's it so that was hardly in the interests of our whole country i don't think that's was a tall fetter and if you look through the history certainly since the general election of war or as happened in parliament you'll see that in the g. most members there lonely support of the government all the dregs of hope why try to get rid of rightism no i don't let me finish you the whole time i got up and until the check is policy announced last summer which fundamentally changed the race and shit the prime minister was proposing for us to have with the e.u. compared to what he promised in our manifesto a momentary one election which is the mandate on which were meant to be governing know that cause the first wave of resignations pretties from the cabinet in that situation yet again there was no challenge to the prime minister everyone was clear we wanted to see a change in the policy not a change in the person it was only after but why did you always take it was only
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a you were the only people who knew what really meant the question in the referendum was should the u.k. remain a member of the european union or leave the european union that was the only question that the referendum but you since then have set yourselves up as arbiters of what the true bracks it actually is full i think one has to take their own view on what it is but if you are i think what we've been doing is trying to actually deliver the brags that we promised the people in the manifesto we have a general election on and if you can go to the country and say this is what briggs we want you to vote for here's the vision that we have vote for someone to live with that and then trying to live a something completely different that's not honorable politics that's not principled politics and i mean that is effectively misleading the the the people so i mean it's regrettable that the prime minister chose to change the direction of the future nation ship last summer and that's what brought most of this problem around until then she had almost complete support for me it was the people who wanted to remain here because in the problems in the party why did you change your mind and vote for two reasons well there are two reasons that i mean i always say
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if the facts change you have to change how you very base them so that i thought some of the issuance that she got last week which were legally binding. a clear commitment he wouldn't try and force us into something against our will that was important to me and yet many of your colleagues still cling to the view that this is a bad deal worst possible deal but i think you should be clear it's not ideal on the . day your group is very divided like every i think you are going our fashion you know this is not a great deal people are very worried about whether i should be in here we can't leave i mean at least when you're in the you can trigger article fifty in levy it's not clear you can do that from the back on the other but there were some reassurances last week that the backstop would not enjoy the you have no intention of meeting jointly won't try and forced into something that we didn't want to have if that's what parliament decides in future that and the fact that was very clear by the start of must rely upon that would never agree to very very your pregnancy and there was a clear majority for an extension meant that the choices now are not between
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promises deal improving the prime minister's deal having a no near benghazi or second referendum it's pretty clear now the choice is leaving with a promise to deal in a few weeks time or having a very long extension more resistance is crumbling or are you just fighting like ferrets in a sack well it is reducing because you can see that you mean fifty others voted for the deal last we we didn't vote for it the first time it was very thoughtful it clearly is a change in my knowledge of mills this whole process has done britain enormous damage doesn't it in the specially to the health service when the pound sank after the referendum result and his finances were hit by a huge sums wiped off its balance sheet by the collapse of the present. the additional cost so far from bracks according to the british medical association and extra one hundred fifty five million pounds never admitted or factored in to your calculations was it why. the country voted to leave him out of. the history of the pound your exchanger and has gone up and down but white but we still have one
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hundred fifty five eight million growth of the carried out on the national economic growth is still one of the strongest in europe i mean i don't think you can say that it's pretty decision has destroyed our economies just from that i didn't say that historically economists are saying i think i was sitting down to the one organization that you painted as one of the great beneficiaries from breck so we haven't left yet and you haven't even are lesser yet and one hundred fifty five million will lead you to their costs. while we spend you know we spent two hundred sixty billion plus a year on the n.h.s. and you can in oh so sad and so i was so that's all fine and the national health service was to become one of the major benefits the royal college of physicians doesn't see it that way government's lack of clarity over how the u.k.'s immigration service will work they say after breaks it could leave the n.h.s. spending up to half a billion pounds per year on international recruitment again never factored into those sunny uplands that you have offered the british problem of the government
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have been clear when the time gratian policy will be skills based people from all around the world have the right skills and cost half a billion pounds of audio and international recruitment saying that's crazy this is a royal college of physicians and i don't just make it up in just my views on bridget i suspect i'm going for you because i mean there's no you just got these figures from c. i had to know that i mean you were i think coming to work in h.s. will be hugely attractive people from around the world behind it we already have a lot of employment in the n.h.s. from countries outside and inside i don't think you need to spend half a billion up to three in the year following the referendum in the year following the referendum almost ten thousand european health care professionals quit the n.h.s. . by november twenty seventh in the number of e.u. nurses registering in the u.k. was down ninety percent fabulous result. doesn't this and you remember the time it was very clear other explanations for why put up with some of that was a procedural issue at the time of the name for example but you know i think when we when we have a clear integration policy based on skills if you have people who we need to come
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here be able to come here and work and we welcome them it's clear that n.h.s. and catheters will still need lots of immigrant labor i mean it's it was just no way we can train a people in a short period to feel like the problem is also in our universities cording to the royal society and i don't think anyone has suggested that they peddle fake news the u.k. could lose access to over a billion pounds a year e.u. research from the even with the government government's guarantees u.k. based research years and small or medium sized enterprises will lose will lose access it says the half a billion in research funding having an immediate impact on research underway in the u.k. find a price worth paying field brought by the government to being clear that we want to have continued research cooperation with the not offering a will of the net contrary to that i mean there's no result is there's another reason why we can't offer the amount of money that we need we need to do to a place that the royal society says it could take years to develop alternatives to the e.u. funding meaning that valuable research could be stopped immediately why didn't you
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accept that in the in the spirit in which it's given that i do want to i was funny i would all i would happily have this country's research effort is going to do with damaged severely damaged i would happily there's no is anybody in briggs if you voted to end research cooperation with the european countries we will have unintended consequences shouldn't i'm not for that but there's no you more realise that this was going to be a no reason why we don't think we want you we want to research corporation much wider than twenty eight countries don't we so there's no reason why you should refuse to have us cooperate with them isn't it time that there was another general election here in the country needs to hold you to account doesn't it for the for the broken promises and the way that the whole e.u. negotiation is being conducted we had an election not that long ago people weren't too keen on to to have to have that one i'm not sure what a laugh. in the one in which you lost your majority in the one in which we got the largest share of the vote my party's howard dean twenty something out years ago lost a majority so it was a great result was it wasn't
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a great result now but you know i think you can see when you vote share goes up from thirty six to forty four percent people were labor to live indoors and they promised to liberate that as well i'm not sure what a general election would change i mean what proposals would be for main parties be standing on what would people who then went to vote think they were going to achieve by the person they're voting for and it doesn't look clear from the opinion polls you wouldn't get a very similar component when you really go i think we need to fix it in this parliament in the obvious fix now is to vote the prime minister's deal for and move on to the next stage of these talks and you can do that can you. well i think we can i think people will i mean as we've been strong and stable we're talking about the last elections strong and stable was what the prime minister promised in their election campaign we've seen anything but strong and stations thought we've seen weak vacillating we've seen divisions we've seen you saw at election time on the basis that he needed a strong majority to deliver on something at a few of his brags and the public didn't give us that strong majority there's
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a growing view that your party is because of the disagreements and the tensions over europe which go back decades in your party that it's a luxury that this country can no longer afford i have recognized as worth the time in the issue of europe has divided the country not just one party ever since we joined him before that. but the people decided they wanted to leave and we should deliver that if you look at the opinion polls my party is still enjoying healthy lead in most of the opinion polls i don't think you can say we become some people don't want any more. whatever happens with bracks it's going to take years to find out the true impact of it isn't that i mean most economists who look to the post brics it future didn't have much good to say about it you in your group you pinned your hopes understandably on one academic who did a man called patrick oppman for cardiff university this is a man who recommended the heartbreaks it and abolition of all tariffs which could do enormous damage to agriculture and industry in this country but he was your main
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linchpin wasn't he he wasn't my main interest in it all and i think we our economic future will be best served by having a good comprehensive trade arrangement within you without any tariffs on a so it was just what you have looking to before brics and looking to expand our sales around the world we would be a pretty shocking exporting outside the e.u. that all the growth in future will come from outside having having better trading later she was were outside the will be positive for the country and i think if we can get a sensible trade to go along with this is the group that you do sixty percent of your trade with us not where sixty. center exports guy was in his office says that when i was sixteen i was in this where we have a sixty percent where we have the right look at that there is no your close doesn't trading partner the any largest trading block in the world and i think any sensible person wants us not to have a good preparation with the the constitutional chaos that we've seen accompany the whole debate in this country should worry everyone shouldn't it labor pierced you
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it would says the whole process has shown that britain's unwritten constitution is basically broken do you agree with that. yeah i think if it isn't as difficult as this without a majority in parliament and with suddenly too many public problems to appear to me parliamentarians not wanting to respect the will of the people in a referendum on the life on your side well i think i think it's i think you have to say it's been mainly people who didn't who did not accept the result who have been trying to frustrate this process that has brought us. to this position you know but we've seen contempt for parliamentary procedure from the government itself this is may's government is the first to be found in contempt of parliament for initially refusing to publish its legal opinion on bricks that no government has ever published legal advice it was the right nothing of the contempt of parliament for those very good reasons why you don't generally publish legal advice it means you don't even means you can't take the advice of the minister been a pretty unique situation when the two main parties got eighty three percent of the
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very election promising to respect the result of the referendum yet here we are still with large numbers of people who will not accept the people voted to leave it in a straight in any way they can either by transparent votes or by frustration through the process and i think many people in the country are absolutely furious that poland has an aim to actually deliver and leaving within ways nearly three years since the referendum enough ac making that nearly found they believe you and your colleagues i think the public trial is going to be very difficult to sort of why isn't it that they want to blame people who just will not accept the result will not accept any kind of deal for us to leave that's who they need to blame well on that didn't. people from the european places well i. say we had a manifesto we went back and i hards who are unlike you are still refusing to buy into the reason most people i in a state things people who have to take up for them but i would say the choice now is to leave with this deal or to risk not leaving at all i think we should only
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have these people your principles more important interest well i think if a vote how the national interest is clearly being to get a consensus to stand before the us this is our great position this is something in three years that britain has been unable to way we should have achieved a consensus was to have a general election and then have the winning parties manifesto be that consensus and accept that's the thing that has the mandate from the public that's what some people in parliament including sadly some in the cabinet just have not accepted that mandate that plan that we set out to look country it can be people in behind closed doors in smoky room to try and change that manifesto plan and that's that's the what the public gave us the mandate to go and deliver britain is going to merge from this process a more damaged more divided nation that has been in modern times for i think how do you how do how do you mitigate that you're defined as not united's launch i think the way we are worrying about this country's been fired on this issue for
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a long time we gave back to the public with the final decision should we stay or should we leave the only way we can now at the country is to is to move on leave and then get on to on and to governing the country on the issues that they care about and making a success of this vision people have taken and i don't think you can unite a country could still we are where we're arguing about it that's an area and decision was made it should be implemented that's what parliament should be doing if you give us reason to back to the people you have to implement what they decide and the question the question is how and you're still not agreed on that. well we have one deal on the table that gets us out of the in the next few weeks i think that is the is the best way forward i don't think anybody really wants another couple of years where we can stay in the e.u. and argue about this and try and work something out and even then if you won't change their mind on the go shooting a future promise it was today we'll have two more years of arguing about how we get out and then we'll have to start in the future partnership that's not a healthy situation i think this needs to be resolved quickly and i hope in the summit that we have. at the end of this week perhaps in
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a couple of clarifications and concessions can be made and that can be enough to get this deal over the line and we can get on with approving and ratifying a larger moves be good to have you called thanks for thank you. thank.
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