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president a minute on that call. the rejected report is finally we have some of you are reading through the four hundred page report on russia the truck campaign possible collusion and obstruction of justice parts of it as expected are blacked out but we are learning a lot nonetheless according to the report the us president tried numerous times to interfere with the mother investigation almost obstruction of justice the only reason it never worked the people around trump refused to help. this is the day. i keep clued that the evidence developed by the special counsel is not sufficient to establish that the president committed and it structured the justice offense no
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collusion no obstruction. there never was by the way and never will be no one outside the department. has seen me under a gag record the deputy attorney general and i disagreed with some of the special counsel legal theory should never happen to another president again i'm having to take you. also coming up tonight reporters without borders new press freedom index is out never before have journalists been hated so much never before have political leaders been so vehement in denying that fact of course we have to also work in order to protect freedom of expression freedom of president to call peña nieto that but we do not see that there is. problem
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with that in our country. and to our viewers on p.b.s. in the united states and all around the world welcome we begin the day reading the mother reports and the more we read the more we ask does this lead to impeachment of the u.s. president today the much anticipated mobile report into russian interference in the twenty six thousand presidential election was finally released an infamous is on the word finally before today we did not know if the public would ever see the results of the special council's two year investigation u.s. attorney general barton made it clear today that he was sharing the report solely at his discretion now the four hundred page report that i have right here is also free directed in places you can see parts blacked out for national security reasons among others but there is enough inside to better understand what robert mueller was thinking especially concerning the question of obstruction of justice by
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president trump in the report muller and his team write that the president's efforts to influence the investigation were mostly unsuccessful but that is largely because the persons who surrounded the president declined to carry out orders or a seed to his requests. in other words trump tried but no one would help him roll that revelation triggered the start of impeachment proceedings against the u.s. president what we do not know that is a matter for the u.s. congress and robert muller where he was not present today to answer any questions but his boss attorney general william barr he was taken this i believe it to his description in the report the special counsel's own articulation of of why he did not want to make a determination as to whether or not there was an obstruction of fence but i will say that when we met with him deputy attorney general rosenstein and i met with him
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along with it o'callahan who is the principal associate deputy on march fifth we specifically asked him he made it clear that he had not made the determination that there was a crime and robert not for me to justice department employee at this moment well he permit him to testify publicly because there can never personally testify there's a lot of public interest in the absence of special counsel members of his teams in flight training on why is he not here this is where i'm sitting here talking. to court he did for me as the new general he is required under the regulation to provide to provide me with a confidential report i'm here to discuss my response to that report and my decision entirely discretionary to make it public that was the u.s. attorney general william bar there clear that the report was for him today we've got team coverage tonight of the most important what it means for the truck presidency and why it matters to the world joining me here in the studio was tyson
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barker u.s. politics analyst with the aspen institute who also served in the u.s. state department under president obama and from washington i'm happy to welcome the night callie simpson a former trial lawyer who served in the george w. bush administration and is now with the heritage foundation and also in washing. our very own helena humphrey joins me from our bureau helena has been on this story all day forced to all of you welcome helen i'm going to start with you and then go around to everyone what does the mobile report mean for the trump presidency now compared to what it meant yesterday for and today the battle lines have been redrawn and this is certainly shelf and the result of all of the democrats i think it means that they have more meat essentially to dig into and boy they are certainly digging into it we've just heard from a pelosi and schumer in a joint statement and they have said ok looking at this it's quite clear to see
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that the attorney general william baas definition of obstruction of justice set out by the special counsel robot mulla all two different things we've also heard from the chairman of the house judiciary committee jerry nadler and he says ok it's very interesting that robot mother decided not to make a prosecutorial decision not because he is unable to do so this is a man with a wealth of experience in this matter because he believes that he has set out a roadmap for congress to deal with this now as quoted jerry not on this before and i will quote him again something which is impeachable may not be a crime something which is a crime may not be impeachable i do not think this is case closed by any stretch it goes to what do you say about the meaning of the report today. i think the attorney general. that he's going to let the report speak for itself i know that the democrats were very upset that he went out and did
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a press conference before the release to them of the report and to the public but the report does make for itself the attorney general made that quite clear and i don't agree that mr barr the attorney general who's the new attorney general once before has a different definition of obstruction of justice than muller does remember their friends they both work in the justice department at the highest levels so i and the report lays out the various theories of obstruction of justice and as you said in your lead up could not conclude that he did it but it cannot exonerate him. because does the report changed anything yeah i think so i mean it is simply put a stamp of. what's the highest credibility on a two year investigation which both sides of the aisle have said has been conducted with the utmost integrity mitch mcconnell came out and said that he has the highest trust and faith in robert mueller and laid out ten counts of what the assessors judged to be essentially evidence of obstruction of justice i mean the evidence
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definitely of intent is there i mean we have essentially all the dots connected and that the breaking of those dots happened at the level of staff it didn't happen with the president himself if the president was able to execute his will this this investigation would have been as obstructed the reporting clearly states that the u.s. president speaking of which what you said tyson tried to interfere with the investigation numerous times and was not successful because the people that he needed to carry out his wishes refused to do so. i want you to take a listen to what barr said today. report recounts ten episodes involving the president and discusses potential legal theories for connecting those activities to the elements of an obstruction offense after carefully reviewing the facts and legal theories outlined in the report and in consultation with the office of legal counsel and other department lawyers the
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deputy attorney general and i concluded that the evidence developed by the special counsel is not sufficient to establish that the president committed and obstruction of justice offense so that is what the attorney general said today is if you take that further do we find a green light somewhere for impeachment proceedings held. i think there are many arguments in this and a lot of it looks that a president trumps trajectory going from a presidential candidate to president himself when we talk about obstruction of justice and bob woodward's book for example fear sets the president out at times as a candidate bumbling through making requests and people around him saying essentially no we cannot do that that would be illegal and then other points what we're seeing today in the report accusations for example at least reports about the firings for example all of the f.b.i.
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director james comey in relation to this report then seeking to see taken out of this report as well out of his investigation so it's manifold and it evolves over time but if we take pastas probe what we can certainly say is that these kinds of investigations haven't ended well for presidential presidents in the past if you take a look at watergate for example nixon resigning if you take a look at the ken starr report and then the impeachment of bill clinton but bill clinton was called teflon baled it seems nothing would stick now are we seeing a new chapter something to find all convention with trump i think that is the question as well. used to be a choice if you have someone that had tried ten times to obstruct justice and it didn't work but you know they tried to in times that you had had that documented you would give them the benefit of the dealt with. i would look at all the facts and circumstances of what that individual did in that
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case and make an independent judgment of whether they had the requisite mens rea that is the the mental intent to obstruct justice under that either state or federal statute where i was prosecuted and i've done it at the state and federal level here my reading of the report is that. there are a number of instances ten found where the president took actions like talking to one of his campaign advisers talking to his white house counsel talking to the then attorney general jeff sessions asking him to an recuse himself and a number of other actions where the people just simply refused to do what he asked them to do and the question is not a legal one now because now we're past the attorney general himself decided to go forward with criminal charges it's a political question does nancy pelosi and her buys or is think as a political matter that there was a high crime and misdemeanor that was done by the president and given the cumulative evidence that they're going to say constitute obstruction decided to
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march for down the impeachment road understanding that even if the house impeach him it has to go to the senate for the trial yeah but that doesn't what we learned today the does that increase the likelihood i mean it's certainly going to increase the pressure on palosi to go forward with. these are not in a misdemeanor i mean these are serious serious accusations and they're documented i mean this in the lower fourth. why if you're asking for me i do think that the pressure on the speaker of the house is the third in line to be the president our country will be immense especially from the left whether or not she decides to live by her own standard that she laid out a while ago and that is she's not going to commence impeachment proceedings unless she has some buy in from republicans in the house to do so because she doesn't want to be seen as a solely partisan matter remains to be seen but as people start absorbing this
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report and actually read from beginning to end and i suspect the number is a very small number of people who actually read it from beginning to end time will tell whether they make the political judgment that it's better to commence impeachment proceedings or just continue politically to beat the president and his administration over the head with facts from the moeller report but i do have to say that it is we were talking about this earlier ties it's well written it's almost it's almost like a novel and the fact that you do have lots of rejected areas it makes for fast reading sides and what about nancy pelosi the. democrats are in a conundrum now aren't they well i think there are a number of known unknowns to use so it's phrase i mean you know i think that she's done a pretty good job at marshalling her caucus and marshalling the opinion of her base to support any action that she finds would lead to the outcome that they see as most just within the law and if that seems to be the the avenue of impeachment i think that that's the avenue that they will pursue if it's the avenue of further
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investigation to see if there are grounds for impeachment i think that's something they will pursue and i think that that will happen rather quickly because as was talked about in bars press conference you know he will be going up to the to the hill to testify he has allowed for robert mueller to go to the hill to testify as well there are disagreements between the two which he admitted during the press conference today so those are going to have to be explored a little further and then there are elements of the investigation that have likely been farmed out to other law enforcement agencies. other other at limits of the justice system including the state of new york and the southern district i mean there's excellent points i just i wonder though when you take all of this out to middle america you're going to find a lot of. passion about this when you're in that the u.s. and you know we're hearing from all of the democratic presidential candidates they're saying that when they go they've been to iowa they've been to new hampshire already that people are not talking about the report they're talking about health
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care i mean does that diminish then the power of this report to push i'm nancy pelosi towards impeachment. right absolutely and that is where nancy pelosi and the democrats are going to be very careful i mean how they make this decision they're going to have to be pretty sure that they're going to have a good case for impeachment pietschmann should they want to push forward with proceedings on that front because if they try and they say oh people in the rest of the country all going to either say that you know example is vindicated this was a witch hunt or that the democrats spent too much time corps top in the to ing and fro ing off the report when significant issues today and whether it's wages health care child care the green new deal environmental policy whatever it may be on the left which has voters concerned is not tackled in the run up to the twenty twenty alexion so really there's going to be some soul searching now i think in the democratic party with how they move forward now that they've got this report in
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their hands he was there briefly yeah but lee i think we all agree that this is going to be a referendum on trump the election in two thousand and twelve i mean essentially you know he clearly twenty twenty just me the impeachment is going to take place on election day and the removal from office if it is to happen is going to take place i don't know your ration day so case of maybe the peach but the proceeding is not needed. let's take a listen to what the house judiciary chairman said today about the attorney general of the called take a listen to what he said first to observe attorney general barr it appears to have shown an unsettling willingness to undermine his own department in order to protect president room. barres words and actions suggest he is been this ingenuous and misleading in saying the president is clear of wrongdoing. coakley in february you wrote that when you barr is the right man for the job you quoted him where he said
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nothing or he had written nothing could be more destructive of our system of government or for the department of justice then any toleration of political interference with the important of the wall is barr is he now compromised because of this report in the way he's handled it not at all i respectfully disagree with chairman ladner i think attorney general barr has nothing to prove you have been the attorney general once before and served with distinction he followed the law the law that the congress passed in a previous president passed assigns to the attorney general the sole discretion to decide whether to release the report and how much of it to release nobody else if they wanted to change the law they could have changed it and the law does not prohibit the attorney general from laying out in a press conference a very brief overview of the process he used as transparent as he could be about it so i just respect we disagree with chairman adler and i think attorney general barr has conducted himself with the utmost aplomb and i also think that when he
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testifies in may and he said he'd be more than happy to testify in april but the congress has put off his testimony till may that he'll prove once again that he has been the right man for the job yeah he also said today that he would have no problem with robert mueller testifying as well let's talk about the present for a moment a day mr trump reacted to the report with this tweet we want to pull this up and show the viewers there we go no collusion no obstruction for the haters in the radical left democrats game over he likes the game of thrones image there. go back to you drug told reporters today that he's a happy man is he reading the same report that that we all have tonight. i have no idea what he's reading but i do know that with respect to a comment your guest other guests my colleague made earlier you know when when when candidates make their rounds around the country they're going to be listening to people and if the moeller reporting the conclusion that there is no underlying
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crime no collusion sinks in and people are worried about paychecks then school education and health care and all the rest of it that may crowd to the back burner this issue on most people's plates and the democrats are savvy just like republicans are running for office and they're going to realize that the tea leaves are such that they probably should not commence impeachment proceedings do you think people are. i mean are these the derby jaded but in a way. i mean it if they're worried about being unemployed then the t.v. or the values of the president really don't matter well it's a worry and honestly for voters for most voters in the middle the country wherever voters are it permeates all issues so if you're worried about something like health care or education and that's a primary issue which was the primary issue for many voters in the midterm elections that led to the democratic victories you know your trust in government is
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very important and if you can't if you have the suspicion or the inclination that the president has obstructed justice and on in many instances and that's going to lead you to have a distrust in government which is going to make things more difficult but to the extent that you want to rid that dark clout that exists over the presidency and over the faith in government for these public institutions then that might be feed into a narrative that leads to people to take that to the ballot box now in the year or in washington you report for as we speak to the world we hear time and time again that the perception of the u.s. president is not a good one regardless of politics this report. people are going to are going to read about it or read it and they're going to come away with ok no collusion but the u.s. president if he could have gotten away with it he would have obstructed justice what does that do them for the standing of the office of the presidency in the
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world. there is something that always stands out to me by when i travel across the country is that many people will say i don't necessarily support the president but i stand behind him because he is the president of the united states and a president has these refrains of no collusion no obstruction and people who don't have the luxury of time to read through this report do you claim to those kinds of sound bites so i think what we might see in the election is that people move away from this mother reported to a certain extent this could be a d.c. luxury problem that we can dive into it despite the fact as tyson points out and justice and you know a presidential office being set of course affects every layer of government we should look at that you know it's a good point and unfortunately we're out of time. from the heritage foundation held
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a home for in washington to both of you thank you and tyson barker here at the big table with you from the aspen institute is always talking we appreciate your insights thank you. well the trump presidency it represents one of the american journalism communities darkest moments that is just one of the conclusions in reporters without borders latest press freedom index writ secure over here to this side of the studio and show you what that index is all a bell the us is not alone however and not every country has seen risks for reporters increase the indexes based on the rate of violence against the media be it by the state or others access to information and of course legal restrictions start at the bottom of the index first eritrea north korea and turkmenistan well they're at the bottom of the table and here's a look at all the countries where reporters without borders describe the situation
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as very serious at the top of the index the northern european countries of norway finland and sweden but the picture it's not good everywhere in europe european union member hungary dropped fourteen places eighty seven w. called up with a hunger in journalist who left hungary because of the situation they are in now lives here in germany. barely nine hundred kilometers separate berlin in budapest but for a journalist or a dish areas of work the two cities are worlds apart since viktor orban became prime minister nine years ago hungary's media landscape has changed radically nick and had to get her that's when i was a child i always heard that hungry was one of the most liberal countries in what was the eastern bloc and i grew up with this idea that is depressing but specifically this democracy in hungary is slowly being deconstructed and that press freedom is being restricted. dora experienced first hand how new
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regulations turn the broadcaster where she worked into state controlled media critical colleagues were fired she herself quit and went to germany in twenty twelve. bagnall is from back home two hundred journalists including doris former colleague were recently laid off and here t.v. station once critical of the hungary and government he reports that the broadcaster was taken over by a media foundation headed by a manager loyal to the government. as it can a lengthy perspective as there are no long term opportunities for quality journalism in hungary. dora works at a nonprofit organization in berlin with its own news portal and aust is an agency that produces content focused on eastern europe she says you can find critical reports written in hungary and about corruption for example but they are mainly
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online yes get here propaganda you know there's a lot of propaganda in hungary the governing parties rhetoric has taken over it's only present the same militaristic choice of words the same formulations the same phrases that government speak is use. journalists who do not cooperate are denounced as traitors dora is afraid that the hatred and agitation could turn into real violence against journalists that has yet to happen in hungary . well the day is almost done the conversation continues online you'll find us on twitter either at u.w. news or you can follow me at bryant golf t.v. mean it don't forget to use the hash tag the day. every member whatever happens between now and tomorrow is another day we'll see you then are about.
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to. enter the conflict zone confronting the powerful. the most islam security organization they chose has just started seventieth birthday but it wasn't a happy was my guest this week here is nato headquarters is rose got some of us feel good musicians deputy secretary general who she now acknowledged the great so
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far is serious splits in its unity conflicts. and europe passible chain reaction of arrests. began around six hundred years ago. in the renaissance the revolution unfortunately enabled us mention that people became aware of their abilities and strengths in a new way. there was an outpouring of self-confidence. tapes because. architects. scientists. and artists.
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invented completely new things and talked of the ancient giants who had originally been its teachers even to. try to teach europe out of the darkest blue jersey into a new ethic. is to place probably no place anywhere in the world when things were invented in such quick succession one of. the renaissance. starts april twenty second t.w. . you know the stand up feel what of course we stand up for europe you seem to live in a kind of the universe you know i don't know the whole let's not be silly please the north atlantic treaty organization nato has just had its seventieth birthday but it wasn't a happy one constant coughing by donald trump about defense spending has caused bitter resentment here in new york my guest this week here at nato headquarters is
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rose gottemoeller the organizations deputy secretary general will she now acknowledge that nato has serious splits in its unit.


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