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which bessie had border scored before and after half time to send frankfurt throughout away goals frankfurt now face chelsea for a place in the front. coming up next now i'm d w news european elections special i'm going to max hope man i'll have a look at what the vote will mean for asia i'm sorry kelly in berlin thank you so much for watching us here and. have a great time. it's crunch time for european elections are just around the corner of the kidding you might ask a simple why should i care what the european market is one of the biggest in the once everyone everybody needs to get to watch our special show you will actions why they matter to asia. soon it will actions why
they matter to asia. first to you. first clueless of. course grand moment or right join the ringgit take on her journey. you know we're going to return to. returns home. welcome to crunch time the european elections are just around the corner i know we've almost forgotten about them because of greg's but now they are back with a vengeance and you might have recognized the place we are sitting here this is of course the seat of the european parliament in strasbourg and this is the last plenary session in this set up before the election so it's time to discuss. the new
elections and why they matter. now if you think someone is you you might ask why should i care about the european elections well this is one of the biggest markets in the world and indeed times of globalization everyone everywhere you care to discuss that with a great panel so stick with us and stick with our guests on my left for example. who is a member of the european greens and an expert. and she says the guiding light for good governance in the region needs to be universal human rights and on my right we have professor dr who he is from the center for global studies in bonn and europe and asia need each other to overcome these times of uncertainty on the road over there the youngest member of the european parliament so it's his future we're also talking about here it's of course ralph and he is from the east your group the
european conservatives and reformists and he says calling the asian economies suddenly systemic rivals and competitors is going too far also with us is mr good you think he's india's former ambassador to germany and he says europe is not part of strategic discussion in asia. where is he home which shows a member of the european left a member of the e.u. china delegation he says asia and europe need to be the closest possible partners to overcome the global problems talking about problems and max every time i talk about europe and asia people say to me you mean china many people here asia is anonymous china so let's talk china. china is big china is sponsored china is high. the nation is striving for power to
become the technology of the world. and road initiative it's twenty first century silk road it's been called by the red chinese martial plan or a state backed contain for dominance but does the trade go the way. we cannot let mutual suspicion so we all get the better of us from. your one straight but. this has to lead to a reciprocity that we are still struggling to achieve using in the much fun. china needs market. needs outside. europe in industries are increasingly falling under chinese control. for the collision to clear european enterprises need to get the same degree of access to the market as the
chinese get in europe. china is a global player when it comes to digital infrastructure europeans have long been familiar with the dominance of chinese giants like who way. is china spying on europe. none of those is naive. e.q. china relations facing new challenges time. a thoughtful. the only one on hardball and you said you were looking for the closest possible relationship right here or should we disregard the spying of china should we disregard the human rights situation and just go for a very close partnership close partnership includes human life as i would say but this includes also. concentrating on the question how we can come. out and that means that we have to focus on this whole slew. shoes on the economic
issues on issues of human rights but of course also on the mental issues and that is not no business about that at least in the past when it comes to the human rights situation so that really affected it is an effect of the question as it is maybe not enough effective but it is going through the right direction and. really a development in the by little relationship and we have to continue to strengthen also the attention on the human rights but you might just come up with a very tough policy towards china recently for china and make a rival and with alternative forms of governance you feel that going too far why well i wouldn't always call this assertive because some powers in europe really have. a ration for the chinese state system i wouldn't go that far but i also don't want to be naive so i really want to point out that there are real challenges regarding china i really need to break up this public forum and markets
china need to respect copyrights and to stop forcing this technology transfer that european companies face in europe those are challenges but those challenges don't mean that we need to turn away from global cooperation that we need to start closing or so as to work towards the open markets because the openness and the freedom of markets that europe always showed in the past is exactly what makes you a great and we should maintain this openness towards all partners in the future would you say would you agree with saying the wrong term systemic rivals well i think also what you said at the entrance that china and europe we have to work together in multilateral force i like the united nations because we have a high risk time yes base our common policies on the rule of law and the rules based on and i think china could do much more now. it's expanding in the united
nations fills a lot of gaps when the u.s. pulled out but i think there's a lack of conditioning it also on human rights protection and i think now we have five you member states in the security council to permanence the nonpermanent and still china should be more cooperative for example to refer severe human rights cases like in myanmar the case of the international criminal court or at the human rights council itself to find opportunities to work together but do you agree with the term systemic rivals are we wives or are we partners well i think we are partners i think the term is i don't agree with what terminology rival is very limited to being a rival on the economic market i see the european union also as a political entity and they are we should refine our hurting and seek opportunities to work together while at the same time critiquing where we have different for
example different values. professor who. says that his rivals at an economic sense with china but would you argue that china is also has political aspirations of dominance through its various projects within the playing divide and rule within the through projects like the belgian good initiative i think there was a lot of misunderstanding about the chinese. leader if you. really consider the situation for me the chinese. new rule. indeed a december strategy towards united states could use a reaction to the american people to egypt so the chinese government didn't want you to go directly into front countries into nancy de develop a strategy. indeed to despair and turned to the european
countries with the idea. the second the first one is to find a new way to create a new market for chinese economy. to avoid a direct confrontation. at the last one is to find a way to give chinese society some new possibility to give an area which is a totally separated from the globalization new chance to quantum you could development but this project is somehow miss really misunderstand you from what. do you feel like the project is misunderstood because i understand india is not participating at all indeed categorically refusing to participate because they have a completely different understanding of one belt one road you understand things and i think the common knowledge to make right will is
a good one i think you out of stops need to stop trying to number be china they need to come up up front and stand up for what they believe in you can't have economic leading you by the nose so that all your values are surrendered you have to emphasize human values beyond human rights which of the you why you. don't vote because we believe or is not looking out for other country's interests political strategic and economic and we do not want the world to become kind of a stimulus package for the chinese economy. i want to also he's talking about ambassador thing is saying one should not namby pamby shina that the e.u. has come up with its own asia or europe connectivity package do you think that is europe's. or ball of the one belt one good initiative i would say.
sure but here we have to find channels two to combine these different plans etc because i would not agree totally with you but i would say that this rivalry understanding is just describing more than only economic rivals it is a way of how we are treating each other and that is a term from the cold war times and that means we are completely each other. to break the other one economically politically etc that i think is leading if you are looking into the global challenge into the wrong direction if for example one point four billion people in china want to live their way of. living. one point three million billion in india and one more billion in the other asian countries so what does it mean for resources what does it mean for the production what does it mean for the climate so yeah i think we have really obligation to find channels to
cooperate and i would welcome that in europe participating in these different plans and we'll talk about that more later about india's india's role in that but i think it's safe to say that of course china is much more involved nowadays in europe not only on the fringes but in the european union as well than it was in the past we prepared to tweet from that because greece obviously is one of the countries where there was a lot of investment chinese investment in the last years and this tweet is from alexis tsipras the greek prime minister i think we have that and it says meeting with the chinese president xi jinping is a bridge between east and west china and the e.u. now this. is a couple of years old but it is well it's more relevant than ever it seems and wouldn't you say professor that some people in europe could feel threatened by chinese activity as of late i think. the difference in the perception of the
chinese threat is understandable. because of two reasons the first one is we have people living in european countries who have no experience with the country which is on the floor of the communist party with tremendous new power resources going into the condiment new. nobody has it clear and the second one is misunderstanding because while you could chinese do you do you have the feeling we just come to you . only with a computer with a new projector to work with you to good why are you reaction so. what is our rather evil christian discussion in china do you hear of also term travel with. few of chinese project leave the huge demand for be the bridge connecting both sides going to china for.
you calling me a project no to. be sheens. really do you agree with that because there is a lot of concern in the about china's influence not just within europe eastern europe you have the sixteen point one initiative riis has now joined the sixteen plus one initiative is now seventeen plus one did in fact europe all these countries in the into the arms of the chinese because they put such a screen on countries like greece not giving them money was a member sell the assets to willing buyers like china well i would. agree with you on one point i think china. openly used its influence and its economic ties for example with greece and conditioned it two years ago and you say because you depend on our economic aid or support you have lots to vote to create. china in the human rights council and this kind of policy is very rational
that the european side critiques this because the european union can be only strong in a multilateral fora if we speak with one voice and this was a clear take split. and i think this china should seek different forms to engage and to work together by strengthening and not weakening the human rights and if i may we shouldn't be scared of our own shadow europe is the biggest global economy we are the biggest trading block of the world we are the biggest export partner of china and we should respect ourselves with this position this is the only bit to be more assertive to sit around the table with china and i'm not scared of these investments in the east in the balkans and so on because recent projects have clearly shown that china fails to deliver a lot of time you know i mean you know with the power plants in montenegro we road building so this country also understand that china has major difficulties.
applying the european rules regarding procurement better at it just have for example with the knowledge you transfer in the last years no but you see for example we to project in montenegro with the roads that really meant the complexity of the local regions and i think this type of collaboration will never replace european union but it can work complimentary cases but we should really look and respect our own our own position on a global level and not be scared of our own shadow and we want the big concerns here is that when china is investing some of these eastern europe in both countries investing in critical infrastructure and in countries which have actually limited financial resources creating what people feel is a debt trap so these countries then have a certain dependency on china which wiley's this is exactly where we need a really assertive policy and we are doing that recently made the foreign direct
investment screen system where you opinion provides a framework where member states can really screen foreign investments and this will temper china's china's eagerness to invest in strategic sectors so this. really shows that we can play on the same equal level fields and if we are in this global position then we can work together with china from a europe's point of of perspective shape the world in a global trading system with fair rules and open trade i think what i call the number and we approach i mean you see you really can't be serious. back it says china is not following global ghouls china is taking advantage of the weakness of current globalization and stepping in with the other worsham of globalization i don't think they're worried about european investment rules they are about it not even so much about the directed clear there are trying to explore the are we out of
economic trouble you do the domestic chinese you are trying to export to different parts of the world what is the interest to us so i think we have a story i want to say something. i do believe that the chinese guy. you're right seventy china has a lot of things to improve certainly i think with the government of the chinese people especially depriving a company you do go out to two european countries did you try to play with the game with the rules of the w t o the majority i would say so the second point i want to make it is please respect respect the super in decision power of the you can countries and the companies people doing business with china we cannot afford to underestimate. conscious decision made by different european countries greece and the small eastern european countries zubrin to see
that you don't mind they're ok but you there's no reason for you to criticize him for them to cooperate with china because it took a little bit too man. and do you tell him government that they do have the interest they do exactly know what to do i do it and they did to the chinese underachieved even our plane after the global rule of law so i believe we have to separate our appealing and it to reality happen in the reality how much will you want to add something to that i wondered that some of the problems you're just discussing are of homemade if you can unit you are carrying out for decades already know it is a story to policy cutting down and saving etc so then the countries have no chance to invest to find money for for the development of their own economies so and then
i would not fear that investment coming from china or from india or from the united states or somewhere it's also our only source and that not only be private. private capital it must be also the states who are obliged to develop their own economies and here as in we have. to change the agenda so if you really want to deal with the social and. environmental challenges we have to invest together and i would stop the thinking and one against the other novi have a common obligation and here is think really that we should develop a new strategy in the global understanding and and to interfere into the way of how the economic systems and structures are functioning so we talk a lot about how europeans feel about chinese investment about the chinese role in the european union because we have the e.u. elections just around the corner i would like to know from good to people in your country you know with all that there are you will actions absolutely maybe even
then what are their expectations. different a trillion dollar european question has been a question in chinese the discourse political in the economy just because because of the two reasons the first one is as you just mentioned your pin you were one of the big still single market the chinese. social life jobs somehow depend. on the economy the situation you can contradict the point much more important because the majority of the chinese think tanks and destroyed it did believe. we need a stronger post poor in stable european union. harrop. for example was awash and towards washington so they do believe we have to do everything to keep their religion to remain country. stable so do i have do you
have an interest to see how do you opinion parliament work you spewed a lot of people are very worried about breakfast because they believe if to you the briton move out of you can be either big or german chancellor angela merkel and the deal with it the future economy comparable cooperation and china will be the. pattern or in terms of the fire to refer to remain in of a multinational so do have an interest to look at the start of the european elections . mr peter you've been on the continent a lot in asia. you have do you do you bring this two things together something you elections and this region that you know so much about you're so interested in well of course you see the asean countries they look carefully how the european union is
developing connectivity and to work together and so they don't understand sometimes and they're disappointed that we destroy the european union from itself because their gains by working together are obvious and that is why i feel so so and i also think when they look for example in countries to china and the influence in the region it is again that there is no i wouldn't say hostility but still demanding from china please strengthen our rules based order like the conflict real severe conflict in the south china sea where. conflict could develop then learning how what is the european position but also referring to the court's decision actually that china should also accept legal decision not to go for being a topic obviously the one point where do you feel you will actions
really matter in the region on what topic. well i think if you see in the building up of. the european elections all those parties will have a clear racist policy against migrants and foreignness not so much against asians but if they would come also against asians this boris them because our in the center of the european union is also that we are kind of value driven that a human being has its dignity and should not be violated if i look me in this probably isn't understanding of that in the euro. union such extreme right wings can gain so much this is very worrisome in the kitchen is it when you talk about human rights and about protecting rights of people and the wigglers in china the muslim minority their people off an. appliance double standards if they have an economic interest in a country suddenly human rights don't matter like for example in china they
sometimes it's not often but in a country like me and mark where there's not much economic stake suddenly they jump on the human rights issue would you agree with that no i disagree and also i hear different voices from asia it depends if you listen to government voices civil society and human rights organizations which there are plenty of in that region i think the e.u. is too soft when they talk with china for example last week we had a summit not magically not micro not more green he said a single critique and there are many human rights violations and i think this is the critique we should be in the union that i think it's not only because of if there's an. economic interest. active because also in myanmar there's a lot of economic interest by the european union to create this market but the size of the violations was. huge professor who i have good news for you because after
the criticism we had from the towards china you will be able to take it back in a second because as we can see china is a difficult topic also because of the human rights situation we won't have complete agreement here but there is an alternative maybe in asia which is india india is a big democracy india to become the most populous country overtake china but you know what am i talking about let's just watch this movie. india the world's biggest democracy and first destroying large economy the country is thriving and matching the global play of british folk local challenges. the easier it is india's first trading partner but they both want deeper cooperation in key areas. indians were faced with the same global challenges. such as china its renewable energy and security. democratic india is closer illicitly to the e.u.
in china they would seem natural contests but relationship hasn't taken off line. it's time for a free trade agreement between. european union. the conditions are right and the only ones to conditions are right. easy and india are both strong supporters of a global order based on multilateralism and shared values in the us know how it's promising but even india relations of them tapping their full potential what secret ingredient is missing to help take this relationship to the next level. and that is a question i'm going to put to you and that's negotiating watch secret ingredient is missing to bring europe and india into a level of partnership that would become in zero eight with their natural proclivity is what our democracy is not
a honeymoon couple of the more india and your level but if you're in there and there are three other middle aged couple we need to adapt ourselves to a long life and we need to see how our grandchildren are going to inherit this therefore i think your group needs to pick up and stop looking at small important but small single minded activities and look at the broad swath of a partnership with india for instance. treat. did nothing without investment did nothing but we have held up the india to trade agreement for years on frankly in an italian marines i mean there will not be big countries who do so we need a much bigger approach. also that this should be some new spock's how about an educational partnership how about a scientific and technological partnership how about
a partnership very bring change to the world and gives people the common values that we must look at beyond security and create sound sensible person to have a different approach because i think where the partnership really holds is a lack of ambition on india's fight we already negotiating about the free trade agreements with india for almost more than ten years and it's india who fails to deliver commitments to open its markets to show commitments regarding sustainable development and labor policies this is not from europe sides we want to invest we want to go there but now you see them go back into the new flagship from india and they're made in india program and i think that if we would. be able to attract european investments into india that would be a benefit for beneficiary for both sides investment for europe could bring economic engine growth could be job creation in india so this would actually be in this
program of made in india but the lack of ambition emission is not from europe but in india i had no choice the e.u. has come up with a new strategy for india i do share. that pockets is their. position as i would also understand. because i think the truth in both positions is so of course in india there must be also the chance for india to get a development on its own if you are looking for food and food guaranteeing for everybody in such continent as india then of course they have the right to look. in the national approach to do for the other hand i would say we have to look into the developing the mighty little trading system instead of only looking into bilateral agreements with china we are just negotiating already also for six years investment protection agreement which is
a huge agreement and we are here with me you should include trade and sustainable development ship that must be also realized in such a free trade agreement with india but that means we have to understand what are the roots what are the standards for that and this we have to develop within the beauty was system because the w.t. who is changing its its nature today and in the twenty first century and the second or third decade already so we have climate social issues human rights political stability to be also benchmarks for shaping this tweet because treaties today about production and consumption but already there is trouble as you mention a better with some alcoholic beverages i believe it was also risky because of because of the united kingdom that. if you have some concrete requests that you would like to form a way towards india what's that well as i see it i think india has very good structures and laws on human rights constitution and so on the biggest problem is
in the implementation in the huge disparity between rich and many many very poor and how to overcome this and i think when ever european union is planning and going further to do a free trade agreement they have to do a human rights impact assessment first because i remember when i think it was also when he traveled to india actually he traveled to china and stopped and he made a public press conference and said over to free trade agreement now all the initiatives dealing with for example the right to health they looked into what would this mean if european companies produce expensive pharmaceutical medicine on h i read in india then the market for those indian companies who produce it cheaper is lost and then what about the poor people so all these issues i think i would have nothing with you feel more comfortable with india as
a trading partner of the you than with china that is the question i cannot answer because i think it's the wrong question because i think if what is best for the people in the respective countries or region and trade is not perceived better or good. i would say that in china the problem is that the governments does not tolerate critique and is very strong and strict against minorities this week you will have risen lucian on the weaker situation again in india and both countries i have to say that enormous progress in fighting. which is essentially the number one about the. in india it is more easier because the government seems a little bit more relaxed with the critique but the biggest problem is there in the implementation i think that's also the main issue which drives elections in fact you know the us been talking for a long time building closer relations with india
a strategic partnership which they already have talked about turning common principles into common interests in fact let me just read out a quote from this was. back in two thousand and seventeen i'm more convinced than ever that india and the e.u. become. the kinds of democracy and tolerance must shape the worst together in the new policy and strategy state and just come out and talk about the e.u. welcoming a multi pull up of a said well how do you feel about this concept of multipolar because the other has no rival india in the region in asia and china would do her a multi-pronged. structure construction in terms of security. development. india china japan another country do they are very you know civilian and independent
so european countries are talking about. a partnership the question is for what i think for european countries maybe the idea is to create a new venue a community against the possible return. correlation between russia and china maybe this is going to going to structure a partnership to india to move to reform the country move in direction of. me so i have definite. expectation of brass or of. friends. wars. seem to be true too quick don't forget india has began the course of the reform twenty years later than china about ninety at the beginning of ninety that means
there was a lot of a bureaucratic. system to be removed and there is the water with why the implication while the implementation has gone very very slow so. i do believe you can petition of european countries a totally post-modern country towards india and china the correct to rise there by the. attendance of the patients you know we need more time when you more time in europe in given for china and also for india so there is the gap between the two lovers of development where after i can do you believe that the exit could be that. would work in favor of you having to the times within certainly not because the u.k. was always a big partner that was always in favor of free market open markets and this is a partner we might lose so this will have a big impact and the european union we need to be
a more assertive towards these trading partners but something that is often left out of this debate is that a strong global position actually starts which are all which our own internal the size of an s. and if we sit across the table with trading partners and they see that we in europe we have huge internal debts that we have a very weak immigration policy that we always hesitate to face or terror threats we need to show the world that we can face or own challenges we need to show that we can handle our own threats and this is how we can be a strong partner on the global level and also gain more respect. maybe with a little heavier a little addition here because. what here just mentioned of course is important how does india feel about let's say the threat of more and more right wing populus coming into the european parliament with the upcoming elections does that play a role. i think you must pardon me on that india's believe in this on election and
the same day by the way twenty thirty say that right now i don't think we're thinking too much of other people's elections but all elections are important because you get an articulation off the human mind and more three the human mind better that equally so yes the results of the your opinion election ville help us to form our what he calls ambition two words the european union but don't expect india to give all the gains of the w to you and our slow movement into the climate change support into becoming support of the globalisation at the threshold of an agreement with the european union we're just not going to do it we need your help to protect those gains not lose them now i think he made them back it makes an interesting point i think india and europe need to work together on security cooperation in dealing with nontraditional traits we have done it in piracy we need
to do more on terrorism we need to do it on illegal migration we need to do it on drugs and we need to do it on cyber security and on money laundering these are the real treat you know here borders don't matter here we just need european understanding and on the ground operation i think this year i have seen much more positive european reaction of the many members in the security council that we mentioned in support of these range you're talking about security ahead mitchell shows in the new strategy from the you they want to have close the defense ties with india this talk about joint military exercises there's talk about having a military envoy in india and vice versa. europe needs to be a little more assertive in terms of how it security asia pacific region know fully disagree with this position because there's just misleading so if you're put in
a bubble of people she said that we should judge also the human rights situation from the perspective of citizens and not only from the functioning of the state of the system and i think if you're speaking about security issues that we have to first of all to deal with the social equal chances for everybody in our society because that is the fear of going into poverty which is one of the stimulus for the right populist parties in the you can unions. can only be tackled if you are developing economies or societies opening your chances for everybody also for women which is alone and taking care of both her child or the man who is doing the same issue so i mean this is a problem and you will be seeing you have to to organize a cooperation between india and you can you know between china and the opinion or taking other countries of the asian continent for
a chunk of free trade agreement with japan we agreed to include the quiet progress of data protection regulations and laws of the opinion as a benchmark also for the by a little cooperation in the three suspects and i think this could be also an example for the cooperation of china if you're dealing with investment agreements we've had some fascinating insights to love would not be want to have maxim fun and games yes i hope it's fun for everybody so you only get to answer with one word for the following i think we have two questions the first one is what are you looking for in the outcome of the e.u. elections which part of the e.u. elections are you really looking at the best support to globalization. respect the rule of law. democratization reinforcement of martin a really small safety and competitiveness ok watch a little stand go because he was the only one who gave a one would have a second question to you finish the sentence your hope and asia.
partners in global cooperation. need each other to develop complicated a common future time nice to have an equal playing field. need and support each other hand in hand hand in hand thank you very much as fascinating it was great to have all the few on this why ranging discussion about election then why they should matter to asia thank you very much and to one of you wherever you might be listening to max so fun and me thank you very much for your company it was great to have you with us and of course stick around in the next months or weeks actually because like i said in the beginning the new world elections are just around the corner and we hope to see you there on t.w. when we cover this important event for the european union the.
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