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i'm christine wonderwall come to news africa i'm glad you're chewing did once one has lifted a ban on elephant hunting the government says there are too many elephants and farm will struggle to keep them out of the fields with each crops and can kill people now and then want to has the largest elephant population in africa conservationists say it's home 213-0000 elephants but the government says that number is much higher the ban on elephant hunting was introduced in the southern african country and 2014 by then president and comma a keen environmentalist but many of which one is in offense roam across borders into the libya zambia and zimbabwe all 4 countries have called for a global ban on elephant ivory trade to be rid. my 1st guest today has written on elephant poaching and the ivory trade in africa teeth some of
all from the university of canton england joins me now welcome to the africa professor do you think his government has made the right call here i think it has for a number of reasons the 1st is that had he not decided to lift the ban on hunting i think he would have faced a really serious problem with the people who live in areas adjacent to large numbers of wildlife the tick the elephants but also lions hyenas well dogs and other predators because the problem the rose when the hunting ban was instituted was that local people lost a huge amount of income from selling hunting quotas to safari hunting companies this could be as much as $600000.00 for a small village and that would be directing money for health clinics schools water pumps and that sort of thing all right if you were very angry when they lost that
ok so who are the people who are opposed to the lifting off the ban and what cases are they making. well the former president in karma who is the one who instituted the ban in 2014 he argues that killing elephants is bad for botswana's image will damage the tourist industry and one must say that he personally has large investments in the tourist industry so he definitely has an axe to grind there he's very influenced to by some western n.g.o.s animal rights groups who say the hunting is wrong and shouldn't happen under any circumstances and also the well known filmmaker derek your bear who is based in box one a who is strongly against hunting who argues that hunting doesn't do any economic good for local communities and damages elephants but all the people who argue against it don't seem to grapple with the basic problem that in some areas if you
don't have hunting then the wildlife would disappear because there is no other way of gaining income a lot of these areas are not suitable for eco tourism tourists won't go there because there are the facilities and so it will go to poor farming and wildlife would just disappear completely ok so how can this be done in a way. that is allowing the sand to how can it be done in a way that ensures that the elephants are not going to be killed to extinction. well when you look at the history of votes one has conservation policies from independence in 1966 to the hunting down in 2014 the elephant population went up from under 50000 elephants to somewhere in the region of 132160000 elephants and that was while hunting was taking place so hunting far from damaging
the elephant population create conditions in which local people tolerate each other firms there was less there was still human elephant conflict but less local people were opposed to poaching because if they were selling the hunting quotas they didn't want poachers coming in killing their wildlife and so the system worked and this is a return to a system where local people benefit from the presence of animals through the money they'll get from selling hunting quotas then you might actually get an improvement in the situation. all right professor keep some of them from the university of kent thank you for that. it's to kenya where the high court is due to issue a ruling that could strike down colonial era laws that criminalize homosexuality in 2016 gay rights organizations filed petitions osc in the court to declare sections
of the penal code and constitutional the organizations argue the laws violate rights including the right to human dignity and the right to freedom from discrimination as it stands anyone convicted of gay sex in kenya can stand behind bars. the rainbow flag is a symbol of gay pride across the world but in kenya it's rarely seen flying. the national gay and lesbian human rights commission is one of the few places that displeases proudly and it's here that the fight to repeal an anti homosexuals law in kenya is being fought the law it is somewhat vague given that it was taken from very very old laws which were previously formed from canon law so the law is very vague in its wording however what it into me it's is that carnal knowledge against the order of nature that is same sex activities specifically between males is criminal and shall be punished with up to 14 years in prison. the
kind of high court was expected to give a ruling on decriminalizing homosexuality in february but the judgment was pushed back. it's very tense as one would expect it to be we've been waiting for this for a long time and with the postponement in february where obviously really hopeful that the courts will read and judgment and of course it will be in our favor. the l g b t community is anxious leigh rating the ruling and the public's reaction to it the latter is a big unknown they can public opinion on this issue is really anyone's guess and that's because here in this country conversations about homosexuality are the queer community don't happen openly and one person is saying that violence is part of the problem. that person is telling what she wrote he hopes the upcoming court's ruling will encourage constructive dialogue it would set a precedent for other countries that are trying to do to go down the decriminalization. and i strongly believe it's the right thing to do and the right
people can i ask him what it would mean to him personally if the courts ruled to repeal the law. what does that mean it would mean that. would be free to be yourselves. and i hope we'll be able as as a community in kenya as a community in kenya to be free to carry. the minorities into the us who are fighting to be recognized. at the national gay and lesbian human rights commission they're preparing for any outcome and they promise to keep fighting if this friday doesn't end in celebration. in zimbabwe a 5 human rights campaign is have appeared in court an accusation off crossing to overthrow the government the men deny their charges and their lawyer is accused of targeting human rights campaigners after a process in january triggered by
a few i can feel prices holding 100 percent president in a synagogue or warrants at all for teens would target rights groups deemed to be anti government. debbie's privilege and he has been following the case he joins me now from capitol had a high privilege good to see you tell us more about the charges these men are facing. there 5 activists facing charges of voting suffrage petition the elected government of zimbabwe the allegations are that there are 5. motives on the 13th of may and that ended that which will for the weeks the s.a.t. have been. being taught how to. put it back to see who will be the answer going to the government and all saw they were trained in the use of small arms according to the state church this is what they fight for the child and you
just notice that this. crime it's one of the serious crimes according to the zimbabwean law if. one he's found to be given a sentence of between 20 years or a life sentence ok talk to us about the timing of all of this it comes as there i had intentions in the country. is coming at a time when yes there are tensions in the country because of their continued melting down of the of the economy our people are going through. you know difficult challenges and difficult times in terms of economy. the cost of living keeps on going high particularly this week when the government increased the price of fuel. this is the 2nd time after. the increase that happened in january of this year when . violent demonstrations erupted throughout the country so the timing is that you
know you see that there is this wanted list being pretty good. with suspicion is that government is such a big thing that they may be uprising because of the disgruntlement that is within the vocalisation the price what is going with the economy ok privilege very quickly how as in bobby as reacting to their wrists alfie's if human rights activists. the way it is being taken is that teachers being taken as just one of those cases that used to have been like what we're witnessing during the former president robert mugabe you know with activists and rights. defenders with being arrested one trumped up charges for protein are going to stay in this state so you speak to some rights of the activists the saying that it is this stage that is afraid of the people this shows that the state is afraid of the people therefore that's why this
is happening and they're also saying that you know it shows also the coverage of the government that nothing much has changed from the era that was there in the past ok did aves provisional shine you did reporting for us and had at it thank you . and that is it for now from day deputies africa as always you can catch allows stories on our website and facebook page on the news of lifting a ban on elephants and they will leave you with some pictures of africa's great giants see you next time 5.
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