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1000000 euros winning promotion to england's top tier now they're returning to the premier league after a 3 year absence of next year on d.w.i. quadriga panel gets to grips with last night so european election results was it a wake up call for brussels in just a moment with more news for you at the top of the out of a good. entering the conflict zone with tim sebastian. i'll be challenging those in power asking tough questions demanding. as conflicts intensify i'll be meeting with keep players on the ground in the senate as of. cutting through the rhetoric holding the
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powerful to account facts the conflicts. conflict zone with tim sebastian on t.w. . every journey begins with the 1st step and every language but the 1st word published in the book. rico is in germany to learn german why not learn with them simple online on your mobile and free shop d w z e learning course nikos fake german made easy. cologne a very warm welcome indeed to a special edition of course coming to you from the home. and the people of europe who voted in an election to the european parliament across the continent against a populist far right parties including
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a narrow victory for marine le pen over president mccrone in france in germany meanwhile historic setbacks for a chance on america. it is the social democrats a major surge and support though for the greens good news for europe an unexpectedly high turnout question here on quadriga today is vote your vote's wake up call for brussels to discuss that question i'm joined here in the studio by derek scally who writes for the irish times and derek says pro e.u. forces have dubbed a populist blitz with one last chance to deliver on the issues too big for individual member states above all he says climate change but also with this issue on the show to the other freedoms journalist who reports in french german and english and he cautions to not overstate the significance of the far right retreat in france interesting stuff and
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a very warm welcome to say the political activist current taylor who argues that even if there has been no major shift to the right in germany there is no guarantee that we are not heading towards the same developments as in france austria or hungry thank you for being here today on a special edition of quadriga but to begin with you if i might's your oppose voted we've had a little bit of time now to digest the outcome what for you is the big story for me the big story is that the european vote is really. where a lot more interest in this election than in the previous ones as shown by this. voter turnout. i believe that was we had the highest turnout in 20 years in the year and they say it's also true in france as well where i paid more attention to the results in france has this been said that this high turnout was
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completely unexpected what do you put it down to. in. well the fact is probably different from country to country yeah sure in france say well they there was definitely the there the campaign and the election had a very very highly domestic flavor. and there was this. quite of there was a strong a mobilization of voters due to. the one hand so on the pro european side like the rejection of populism the fear of like this this creeping or creeping or what do you want to call it wave of you know populist victories in various countries in and out of in europe and outside so this has mobilized the votes is who were who who wanted to put an and then to this and on the
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anti european side or more you know all more euro skeptic or a lot of so you have to be at also a lot of passion there that lots of voters wanted to send a message to my core you know we had these months of yellow vests protests. so. we could we could say this how it turned out in france didn't have tided to do with with europe is that it was very domestically if what you said harry gave the election was described by one commentator is a battle for the soul of europe as it was who won the battle i think common sense won the battle finally we've voters said right we understand there's always been this discrepancy between domestic politics and european politics and while the worst some countries france austria where the mess of politics is really raging at
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the moment and that was uppermost in people's minds many other countries people are saying i always say we finally understand that european politics affects domestic politics and domestic politics affects your. in politics so they i think they're finally understood that they finally understood there are problems too big for nation states to tackle alone like climate change things the penny dropped because that argument has been argued for so you hear a lot wishful thinking if you want because they're all every country is different obviously but i think people are realizing there are certain things just too big to handle on your own russia the u.s. and china how do we deal with them even if you're germany or too small so i think that but what i saw is i saw really a difference it is approached by voters that yes we will stick to the mainstream parties but we're breaking open this grand coalition europe the european union has been effectively govern by a grand coalition center right center left and those parties by and large not have a by and large were punished and they said no we're going to vote for greens and liberals are near enough to do business with them on climate change on trade and let's not forget migration i mean 5 years ago everyone was talking about migration
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so i think the big message is you know voters are saying of politicians you facility you set to us give us a mandate to do business at european level and they're saying right we've given you the money no do the business and i think that's what's so interesting times ahead on the well you have to live on climate change you know sit down and have real compromise because you've got the mandate and maybe for the last time this election was called beforehand that i remember we talked to just a few days ago the most important european election in decades what did you learn from the election this weekend that there's no such thing as the one right wing populist movement in europe that is a very important point because we tend to have put them all in the same books for quite a long time they're absolutely absolutely and they try to get that message as well the meeting with salvini at the telly with all these really big post postures and big picture and what they try to fear create this fear that they are the
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deposit the right thing power which is going to destroy europe and this is not going to happen as long as the movement and the other parties understand. and what their mandate is far right now as long as they understand that they need to be connected to what they are i would say to their national context this but also to the european parliament which has to take this power as a parliament of the people. joining the show in another show a lot of people out there in the big wide world don't quite understand the european elections maybe they understand them a little bit more after this weekend because he was passionate he was very involved they were interesting to tussle going on but what is the message for the people outside europe why do the european elections matter. of the european elections matter because well see we have we've been struggling with breck's it for years let's and one key message of the breast it is as you face less
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and elect your kratz well you see 400000000 voters called to the polls last week this is the 2nd biggest democratic exercise after the very highly touted engine elections that took place a few weeks ago. so this is impressive over across 28 countries in europe. yeah they have a back though millions of people from from the caribbean where i'm from from martinique all the way to the arctic were voting this week for for the same for for one parliament that will have to work on common issues if this is not compelling i don't know what is. very evocative very generic democracy in action now ahead of this weekend's vote all eyes we've heard it's already were on the showing of the populist far right euro skeptic parties let's take
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a look at what's been going on. the party under italy's interior minister material salvini emerged as the country's strongest force but it remains uncertain whether the right wing factions in the european parliament can be united and france monina pans national rally also came out on top. and i'm in u.k. nigel farage is pranks at the party was most successful u.k. is set to leave the e.u. and quit as british representatives will also leave the e.u. parliament. with 11 percent germany's far right a.f.d. party was last triumphant that many pro europeans had feared but one prominent critic truly won hands down in hungary the ruling rightwing feeders party under viktor obama received over 50 percent of the votes. the election victory means that hunk ariens gave us 3 tasks foremost
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a task of stopping emigration all across europe. they gave us a task to defend the europe of nations and to protect christian culture in europe. do you think we. can right wing parties sabotage the e.u. . that is the next big question currently you know you were talking about this just minutes ago coming right wing parties subbuteo come they do you rail the e.u. or the parliamentary process i would say now they can talk makes you so optimistic the reason is that we've seen civil society and parties come across to form to to to correlate against these right wing populist movement and i believe that we've seen the danger of these populist movement and that the path the democratic parties will not sit down and wait for them to set the agenda but on the
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other hand come up with the ordinary. if so that's why i'm really hopeful now as the attention is quite high on the european parliament on brussels it's as such that the parties will not just go back to business as usual but on the other hand come up with new solutions when we talk about we already mentioned climate change for example there's a huge mandate for the european union for the european parliament to actually regulate. nationwide solutions when it comes to the climate climate change and we'll also see that this is one of the topics which just you move the younger part of the population and these younger parts are still hopeful so i believe as the big democratic parties don't want to lose. their constituencies when it comes to when it comes to young voters they really focus on on one hand working together and on the other hand finding answers for for this problems which really concern the
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younger population. derek yes no i agree i think in the media this often i don't like to. be critical of my own trade but there's often an obsession with right wing parties or far right parties we often call them right when we win mean far right you know or bonded very well but you have to try and find somebody to work with in the european parliament nobody you know our president as far as i know nobody has the lighter to work with and obviously did very well in italy but otherwise i mean in germany we've all been obsessing over the alternative for george dorchin the far right party you know they had modest gains considering the chaos in the german government it's surprising that more people out of frustration didn't vote for them marine le pen she pretty much held her position considering what's going on the streets of paris i was actually rather surprised that she she was still there and was a 2426 percent of you know why didn't you know we often it's like the dog that didn't bark why didn't she get 30 percent if apparently you know everyone is so frustrated with markov micron was coming up behind her so you know i i often think with far
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right parties you always have to be careful you know that if the glass is one quarter fold it doesn't mean you know it's 3 quarters empty and that's what i saw across europe that we've just seen a shift is nevertheless less often said and often people know that also people in our business say that they say that yes we do know we all know working in the age of identity politics and i go to you i mean you know nigel ferocious success in the u.k. little last week said let's not be afraid of all fruit fly can let's not be afraid of our identity the european union probably i mean years time so. for us i often go to europe in summits and to see journalists running after nigel for i mean literally rent a quote i mean he will do anything for a quote and journalists just inflate this into something bigger than what you did get britain to leave the european union not be what is he not does he not for the future of europe probably not so because if the u.k. isn't in the european union that's another issue we can argue about what they're going to do to populism and u.k.
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politics but that's their. problem. a marine le pen is a serious force but let's look at the other parties who are constructive people the same voters mainstream voters just shifted their allegiances from the large parties to the small parties but they stayed within the mainstream and i think that's the message from these european elections ok just one more word on the other big issue that we have already talked now climate change on the show why now why is it suddenly the issue why are people gathering around and looking as though they are willing to make sacrifices and see so strongly with the change i think well the is being. made of glass or maybe there could have been quite a few reports that alarming news reports. report that i have that that have been in the media in the past months the rate of extinctions in their customs plastic pollution and of course the
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climate change in general. and in the past few months we've had this this empress have mobility mobilization of teenagers high school kids around turnberry from sweden so this has caught the public's eyes and all those teenagers have parents who are voters so maybe they've been talking at home with why they go why they skip school every friday. at some point. i say at last i mean if why now well why not 20 years ago and we we've wasted as i age perhaps in european politics in the way that we communicate about politics listening to the youth force is this one reason why the 2 big parties the big tent parties here in germany the christian democrats the conservatives and on the other hand the social democrats is that why they are suddenly losing ground so seriously historic losses i think that's definitely one point and one reason why did
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a lot. so much but it's also because the messages were not clear enough the message just what they have been for europe was of cause the parties were battling with very technical issues. when it comes to. a law sorry i'm missing the right. no when it comes to defending rights of us rights for example when it comes to the involvement of the unions in the labor market so these every technical debates which don't really picture a big vision favor 8 year old which are not maybe you could even say not not sexy enough in order to really really really stick with the with the people and on the other hand you have the green party who had a very clear vision of a very clear statement that's what we want to achieve i think that's what's missing
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with what the big democratic parties you know are in the requests of one is in favor of climate change but how much you are in favor of it costing you and that will be the big question because you know what are you prepared to do it out are you going to do it at your summer holiday and maybe take a train you know and that's the i mean graf has done it with her family she's terrorize them into doing what she believes is the right thing to do well the rest of the european union be interested in that and i think her makes a very good point i mean there is a really big behind climate change which is you know everyone is in favor of saving the planet we would like to hope so in your sense of people but you know the whole welfare state in look at europe as a whole is on their threat i mean i come from are in the country where lots of countries lots of big companies are paying very little tykes and they're sucking starving the continent of tax revenue which means you know social services are suffering as a result will the new european parliament put pressure on governments to actually act against this you know we were starting to see it from countries like germany and so on but countries like iran were blocking so. you know fiscal dodging taxes
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if you're an amazon or google or a facebook is not consistent but investment manager thinks it was interesting the greens at least 3 times in one evening i heard a green representative saying the corner bookshop pays full taxes and i was in doesn't exactly sort of trying we need maybe we need sort of a grettir to embark on fiscal issues but as indices are talking tax people's eyes glaze over but you know plots might work so we don't really see that but i think definitely in a country like germany what you're seeing is people are saying you can't have 0 tariff climate policy you know and i think. his successor on a good compound or have been trying to do some sort of a business friendly time of politics and it's like well if your business is producing cars in your cars or polluting cities you can't really you have to try and turn the page turn the corner and i think the message from both of the 2 big parties definitely from the social democrats is they said we have understood climate change is real politics real politics requires real laws and unless we want
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to lose even more to the greens we have to react so that was the reaction we saw last night in germany which i thought was very interesting the 2 big parties are finally afraid enough that they're going to do credible common policy yeah exactly . i don't know if you have a view that it can explain for us a german would the significance of it why it. why people are saying it would get the shits can be done model. quite a bit ago if you do a simple very very simple if you have the european their vision song contest which many people would say is the real heart of europe the european elections every 5 years as well and go but you couldn't have your vision song contest if you didn't have shots and coming in from various countries you can't have a song being sung by nobody but our lead to come to kind of have a song being sung by committee and the involvement european union most people don't understand the palm and the commission and the european council so you need to face you need of a face that you can associate where politics need to face you can associate or policies and a face you can associate were promises so that if those promises. and to deliver it
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the promises that person made 5 years ago you can punish them in their block on who is going to be the next face of europe nobody knows because if you look at it as blocks there are several blocks in the european parliament center right block center left bloc in this liberal and green left bloc and you have to you have to work at sort of a new a new a new majority in the parliament so the person who finished 1st was munfordville ever from the european people's party groups that's mostly conservative as an interest in democrats he may be the next president of the european commission but he might not be so it will all depend on the horse trading that's going to happen now but what i find is really interesting but also gives us a sense that european politics is almost taking on characteristics of national politics and after national elections the coalition you know the working majority depends on what will you give me for my support and the greens have made it quite clear we want more social policy on climate change policy and anyone who can promise us that house our support anyone who doesn't think they can get our support
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for free aren't going to get our support so that makes european politics finally i think understandable to people who are more used to national horse trading ok talking about national politicians than national level politics 2 names haven't been of hardly be mentioned in the discussion in difficult times it is all of them all disturbing perhaps that the much vaunted leadership turned them over angle a miracle and the money appears to be grinding to a halt. in 2017 amount of i won the french presidential runoff practically out of the blue with his pro european campaign and became the beacon for committed pro europeans a coma seen as a modern reformer who would bring member countries closer together but what has become known as the yellow vest movement has now tanishq his once shiny image and now the right wing national rally under marina can receive fewer votes than in the past election and still party fronts is divided. her stand us in china's pride as
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it once did either chancellor merkel former undisputed head of the e.u. is preparing to withdraw from politics her strict austerity measures throughout the european debt crisis sparked widespread protests like here in greece. in germany people demonstrated against keeping the borders open for refugees to enter in the summer of 2015 critics say have decisions helped strengthen the far right. with 23 percent of popular votes conservative christian democratic party just suffered historically poor results. he will leave europe into the future now. ok let's study the question as it stands who will lead europe into the future. wow . well interesting question. we that we don't even know who is going to lead the european commission and as derek francisco mr kissinger is knocking at the
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door he needs to know who he can follow i lead and name my leader fades. well i think what we have angela merkel she sees staying in power until maybe 2021 and that's when her term ends and mccrone is also staying in power until 2022 there is i mean the odds are the tend is staying in place for the foreseeable future. there will see if they recent that in yet last week's election or upcoming elections have. repercussions on domestic politics in france and germany. we have hope that they stay there for evidence of confidence for the famous turned and what are you to say. i believe the time they will have to actually work.
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together because for now and we. was really outspoken about his vision for euro there hasn't been a response all when there has been a response a quite negative response from the side of germany that was linked to the past election i believe now there is a space for germany and france to come together for for real this time and actually with this with having in mind and also seeing the real trek off the right wing populist to really come up with a new vision so i believe it's going to be going to be 500 the only difficulty in germany is always an election somewhere as a federal state there's federal elections state elections and we've got this sort of tandem in germany we've got to stay on as chancellor but the party her part is now led by ana got to come qanbar and she had a real setback yesterday that was her 1st election and historically did not good no but she now has to go into
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a summer and she's facing autumn elections in eastern germany in places where the far right alternative for datsun are strong and getting stronger and once they're federal state they actually topped the polls in european elections so she now has to try and work find ways to work on the one hand progress of european politics on the other hand she's got the far right in eastern germany on her back and if she is seen to do anything that is sort of throwing crumbs to mark or he's talking about solidarity in europe and european social welfare and anything like that the people of europe want this more europe. i don't know. how to greece and that's and that's the issue and until they decide i think it's going to have the liberals on the greens will be decisive on whether or not more europe is going to solve our bigger problems ok people definitely want more direct i think lots of europeans actually do want more europe it's just that the leaders are terrified of their euro skeptic forces. ok very positive no we have no way to know thanks so much we're.
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on the show. food glorious food will be going on a cohen airy pilgrimage to northern italy. and us photographer warren greenfield captures the insatiable greed of the ultra wealthy. but 1st in the world of tragic operas true love is a question of life and death this past weekend's premiere in munich was no different. the title character in the opera assessed is a queen who offers her life to the gods in exchange for their rescuing her husband belgian choreographer cd a lot of the château we put his contemporary spin on custom vilified cloaks 18th century opera. with antonella low monaco on the conductor's podium putting his own signature on this rarely performed opera
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. mr micawber thanks for joining me here doing what a track to do to.

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