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rock and religion clash that brings many parallels. in order to really still be reconcilable. god the devil and rock'n'roll. to 17 on t w. alone a very warm welcome indeed to a special edition of course coming to you from the heart of berwyn and the people of europe who voted in an election to the european parliament across the continent against a populist far right parties including a narrow victory for marine le pen over president mccraw in france in germany meanwhile historic setbacks for chance in america conservatives on the social democrats
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a major surge and support though for the greens good news for europe an unexpectedly high turnout question here on quadriga today is votes in europe votes wake up call for brussels to discuss that question i'm joined here in the studio by derek scally who writes for the irish times and derek says pro e.u. forces have dodged a populist bullet with one last chance to deliver on the issues too big for individual member states above all he says climate change and also with us the show me show to deal a freelance journalist who reports in french german and english and he cautions to not overstate the significance of the far right retreat in france interesting stuff and a very warm welcome to say the political activist current taylor who argues that even if there has been no major shift to the right changer. there is no guarantee that
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we are not heading towards the same developments as in france austria hungary thank you all for being here today on a special edition of quadriga but to begin with you if i might's your oppose voted without a little bit of time now to digest the outcome what for you is the big story for me the big story is that the european vote is really. where a lot more interested in this election than in the previous ones as shown by this. voter turnout. i believe that was we had the highest turnout in 20 years in europe and they say it's also true in france as well where i paid more attention to the results in france has this been said that this high turnout was completely unexpected what do you put it down to.
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well the fact is probably different from country to country actually in france say well they there was definitely the there the campaign and the election had a very very highly domestic flavor. and there was this. quite of there was a strong a mobilization of voters due to. the one hand so unlike on the pro european side the rejection of populism the fear of this creeping. creeping or what do you want to call it wave of populist victories in various countries in and out of in europe and outside so this has mobilized the votes is who were who who wanted to put him and then to this. on the anti european side or more you know all more euro skeptic or
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a lot of so you can there to be yet also a lot of passion there. lots of voters wanted to send a message to my core you know we had these months of yellow vests protests. so. we could say this how it turned out in france didn't have. to do with with europe that it was very domestically if what you say during the election was described by one commentator is a battle for the soul of europe as it was who won the battle i think common sense won the battle finally we've voters a said right we understand there's always been this discrepancy between domestic politics in european politics and while the worst some countries france austria where domestic politics is really raging at the moment and that was uppermost in people's mind many other countries people say i always say we finally understand that european politics affects domestic politics and domestic politics affects your
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. in politics so they i think they're finally understood that they finally understood there are problems too big for nation states to tackle alone like climate change things the penny dropped because that argument has been argued for so you know the law and wishful thinking if you want because they're all every country is different obviously but i think people are realizing there are certain things just too big to handle on your own russia the u.s. and china how do we deal with them even if you're germany or too small so i think that but what i saw is i saw really a difference it is approached by voters that yes we will stick to the mainstream parties but we're breaking open this grand coalition europe the european union has been effectively govern by a grand coalition center right center left and those parties by and large not have a by and large were punished and they said no we're going to vote for greens and liberals are near enough to do business with them on climate change on trade and let's not forget migration i mean 5 years ago everyone was talking about migration so i think the big message is you know voters are saying to all decisions you visit you said to us give us a mandate to do business at european level and they're saying right we've given you
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the mandate no do the business and i think that's also interesting times ahead on the well you have to live on climate change you know sit down and have real compromise because you've got the mandate and maybe for the last time this election was called beforehand that i remember we talked to just a few days ago the most important european election in decades what did you learn from the election this weekend that there's no such thing as the one right wing populist movement in europe that is a very important point because we tend to have put them all in the same box for quite a long time they're absolutely absolutely and they try to get that message as well the meeting that salvini at italy with all these really big post postures and big picture and what they try to fear create this fear that they are the the power of the right wing power which is going to destroy europe and this is not going to happen as long as the movement and the other parties understand. and what their
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mandate is for right now as long as they understand that they need to be connected to what they are i would say to their national context this but also to the european parliament which has to take this power as a parliament of the people. joining me show in another show a lot of people out there in the big wide world don't quite understand the european elections maybe they understand them a little bit more after this weekend because he was passionate he was very involved they were interesting to tussle going on but what is the message and for the people outside europe why do the european elections matter of the european elections matter because well see we have we've been struggling with bricks it for years let's and one key message of the brics it is as you face less and elect your kratz well you see 400000000 voters were called to the
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polls last week this is the 2nd biggest democratic exercise after the very highly touted engine elections that took place a few weeks ago. so this is impressive over across 28 countries in europe. yeah those millions of people from from the caribbean where i'm from from martinique all the way to the arctic where voting this week for for the same for for for one parliament and that will have to work on common issues if this is not compelling i don't know what is. very evocative very generic democracy in action now ahead of this weekend's vote all eyes we've heard it's already were on the showing of the populist far right euro skeptic parties let's take a look at what's been going on. the party under italy's interior minister material salvini emerged as the country's strongest force but it remains uncertain whether
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the right wing factions of the european parliament can be united and france money in the pens national rally also came out on top. and in the u.k. nigel farage is pranks at cannes he was most successful at the u.k. is set to leave the e.u. with this british representatives will also leave the parliament. with 11 percent germany's far right a.f.d. party was less triumphant that many pro europeans had feared but one prominent critic truly won hands down and hungry the ruling rightwing feeder's party under picked off and received over 50 percent of the votes. in the election victory means that hunk ariens gave us 3 tasks. foremost a task of stopping emigration all across europe. they gave us a task to defend the europe of nations and to protect christian culture in europe.
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think you. can right wing party sabotage the e.u. . that is the next big question her and you know you were talking about this just minutes ago coming right wing parties subbuteo come they do you rail the e.u. all the parliamentary process i would say now they can it makes you so optimistic the reason is that we've seen civil society and parties come across to form to to to correlate against these right wing populist movement and i believe that we've seen the danger of these populist movement and that the parties the democratic parties will not sit down and wait for them to set the agenda but on the other hand come up with the ordinary. if so that's why i'm really hopeful now as the tension is quite high on the european parliament on brussels it's such that the
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parties will not just go back to business as usual but on the other hand come up with new solutions when we talk about we already mentioned climate change for example there's a huge mandate for the european union for the european parliament to actually regulate. the nationwide solutions when it comes to to the climate to climate change and we'll also see that this is one of the topics which just you move the younger part of the population and these younger parts are still hopeful so i believe as the big democratic parties don't want to lose the their constituencies when it comes to when it comes to young voters they really focus on on one hand working together you know on the other hand finding answers for for this problems which really concern the younger population. derek yes no i agree i think in the media this often i don't like to. be critical of my own trade but there's often a an obsession with right wing parties or far right parties we often call them
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right and we wound far right you know or bonded very well but he has to try and find somebody to work with in the european parliament nobody you know a president as far as i know nobody is the lighter to work with him he did very well in italy but otherwise i mean in germany we've all been obsessing over the alternative for george darts on the far right party you know they have modest gains considering the chaos in the german government it's surprising that more people out of frustration didn't vote for them marine le pen feel pretty much held her position considering what's going on the streets of paris i was actually rather surprised that she she was still around was a 2426 percent you know why didn't you know we often it's like the dog that didn't bark why didn't she get 30 percent of apparently you know everyone is so frustrated with markov micron was coming up behind her so you know i i often think with far right parties you always have to be careful you know that if the glass is one quarter fold it doesn't mean you know it's 3 quarters empty and that's what i saw
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across europe that we've just seen a shift is nevertheless less often said and often people know it also people in our business say that they say that yes we do know we all know working in the age of identity politics and i go to you i mean you know nigel ferocious excess in the u.k. little last week said let's not be afraid of all fruit fly can let's not be afraid of our identity the european union probably in the years time so. for us i often go to europe in summits and to see journalists running after night for i mean literally rent a quote i mean he will do anything for a quote and journalists just inflate this into something bigger than what he did get britain to leave the european union let's not be but it doesn't matter for the future of europe probably not so because if the u.k. isn't in the european union that's another issue we can argue about what they're going to do to populism in politics but that's their. problem. a marine le pen is a serious force but let's look at the other parties who are constructive people the same voters mainstream voters just shifted their allegiances from the large parties
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to the small parties but they stayed within the mainstream and i think that's the message from these european elections ok just one more word on the other big issue that we have already talked now climate change on the show why now why is it suddenly the issue why are people gathering around and looking as though they are willing to make sacrifices and see strive for change i think well there's they're being. made of glass or maybe there could have been quite a few reports that alarming news reports experts report that i have that that have been in the media in the past months the rate of extinctions in their customs plastic pollution and of course the climate change in general so and in the past few months we've had there's this empress of mobilization of teenagers high school kids
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around turnberry from sweden so this has caught the public's eyes and all those teenagers have parents who are voters so maybe they've been talking at home with why they go why they skip school every friday. at some point. i say at a cluster i mean if the why now well why not 20 years ago i mean we we've wasted time a huge perhaps in european politics in the way that we communicate about politics listening to the youth choice is this one reason why the 2 big parties the big tent parties here in germany the christian democrats the conservatives and on the other hand the social democrats is that why they are suddenly losing ground so seriously historic losses i think that's definitely one point and one reason why did a lot. so much but it's also because the messages were not clear enough the message just what they have been in for europe was of course the parties were battling
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with very technical issues. when it comes to. sorry i'm missing the right here you. know when it comes to defending the rights of us rights for example when it comes to the involvement of the unions and that in the labor market so these are very high technical debates which don't really picture a big vision favorite euro which i'm not maybe you could even say not not sexy enough in order to really really really stick with the with the people and on the other hand you had the green party who had a very clear vision a very clear statement that's what we want to achieve i think that's what's missing with what the big democratic parties you know are in the requests of one is in favor of climate change but how much are you allowed are you in favor of it costing
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you and that will be the big question because you know what are you prepared to do it out are you going to do it at your summer holiday and maybe take a train you know and that's the i mean graf has done it with her family she's terrorize them into doing what she believes is the right thing to do well the rest of the european union be interested in that and i think her makes a very good point i mean there is a really big behind climate change which is you know everyone is in favor of saving the planet we would like to hope so in your sense of people but you know the whole welfare state in look at europe as a whole is on their threat i mean i come from aren't a country where lots of countries lots of big companies are paying very little tykes and they're sucking starving the continent of tax revenue which is means you know social services are suffering as a result will the new european parliament put pressure on governments to actually act against this you know we were starting to see it from countries like germany and so on but countries like wrong are blocking so. you know fiscal dodging taxes if you're an amazon or google or a facebook is not consistent but it didn't seem much harder to you so it was interesting the greens at least 3 times in one evening i heard
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a green representative saying the call a bookshop pays full taxes and i was in doesn't exactly sort of trying we need maybe we need some very aggressive to embark on fiscal issues but as soon as you start talking tax people's eyes glaze over but you know lots might work and so we don't really see that but i think definitely in a country like germany what you're seeing is people are saying you can't have 0 tire of climate policy you know and i think. his successor and i got compound i have been trying to do some sort of a business friendly climate politics and it's like well if your business is producing cars in your cars or polluting cities you can't really you have to try and turn the page turn the corner and i think the message from both of the 2 big parties definitely from the social democrats is they said we have understood climate change is real politics real politics requires real laws and unless we want to lose even more to the greens we have to react so that was the reaction we saw last night in germany which i thought was very interesting the 2 big parties are finally afraid enough that they're going to do
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a credible time of policy yeah exactly. i don't know if you have a view that i can explain for us a german would the significance of it. when people are saying it would get the shits and can be done a model. quite a bit ago if you do a simple very very simple if you have the european their vision song contest which many people would say is the real heart of europe the european elections every 5 years as well and go but you couldn't have your vision song contest if you didn't have shots in canid often from various countries you can't have a song being sung by nobody but our lead to come to any kind of have a song being sung by committee and probably the european union most people don't understand the palm and the commission and the european council so you need to have a face you need of a face that you can associate where politics need to face you can associate policies and a face you can associate where promises so that if those promises. and to deliver it the promises that person made 5 years ago you can punish them in their block and who is going to be the next face of you or nobody knows because if you look at it
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as blocks there are several blocks in the european parliament center right block center left bloc and then the liberal and green left bloc and you have to you have to work a sort of a new a new a new majority in the parliament so the person who finished 1st was munfordville ever from the european people's party groups that's most in conservatism interest in democrats he may be the next president of the european commission but he might not be so it will all depend on the horse trading that's going to happen there but what i find is really interesting but also gives us a sense that european politics is almost taking on characteristics of national politics is after national elections the coalition you know the working majority depends on what will you give me for my support and the greens have made it quite clear we want more social policy wrong time and change policy and anyone who can promise us that house our support and who doesn't think they can get our support for free aren't going to get our support so that makes european politics finally i think understandable to people who are more used to national horse trading ok
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talking about national politicians and national level politics 2 names haven't been hardly be mentioned in our discussion in difficult times it is all of them all disturbing perhaps of the much vaunted leadership turned them over i'm going to go and the money appears to be grinding to a whole. in 2017 a man was won the french presidential runoff practically out of the blue with his pro european campaign and became the beacon for committed pro europeans mccomas seen as a modern reformer who would bring member countries closer together but what has become known as the yellow vest movement has now tarnished his once shiny image and now the right wing national rally under moving the pen received fewer votes than in the past election and still party fronts is divided. her star doesn't china's bright as it once did either chancellor merkel undisputed head of the e.u. is preparing to withdraw from politics her strict austerity measures throughout the
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european debt crisis start widespread protests like here in greece. in germany people demonstrated against keeping the borders open for refugees to enter in the summer of 2015 critics say had decisions helped strengthen the far right. with 23 percent of popular votes conservative christian democratic party just suffered historically poor results. will lead europe into the future now. ok let's study the question as it stands who will lead europe into the future. wow . well interesting question. we that we don't even know who is going to lead their european commission and. derek's prigs going mr kissinger is knocking at the door he needs to know who he can phone i need a name i need a face. well i think what we have under americal she ceased
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staying in power until maybe 2021 and that's when her term ans. staying in power until 2022 there is i mean the odds are the they stand is staying in place for the foreseeable future. there we'll see if they recent in the last week's election or upcoming elections have. repercussions on domestic politics in france and germany. we have hope that they stay there for a vote of confidence for the same us turned in what are you to say. i believe the tandem will have to actually work. together because for now and we we've seen across was really outspoken about his vision for euro there hasn't been
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a response all when there has been a response a quite negative response from the side of germany that was linked to the past election i believe now there is space for germany and france to come together for for real this time and actually with this with having in mind it also seeing the real trend off the right wing populist to really come up with a new vision so i believe it's going to be fun to be 5 really only did the difficulty in germany is always an election somewhere as a federal state there's federal elections a state elections and we've got this sort of tandem in germany we've got to stay on as chancellor but the party her parties now led by ana got to come qamar and she had a real setback yesterday that was her 1st election in the store if you did not know but she now has to go into a summer and she's facing autumn elections in eastern germany in places where the far right alternative for datsun are strong and getting stronger and once they're federal state they actually topped the polls in european elections so she now has
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to try and work find ways to work with him on the one hand progressive european politics on the other hand she's got the far right in eastern germany on her back and if she's seen to do anything that is sort of throwing crumbs to corn he's talking about solidarity in europe and european social welfare and anything like that the people of europe want this more europe. i don't know. they can't agree and that's and that's the issue and until they decide i think it's going to have the liberals on the greens will be decisive on whether enough more europe is is going to solve our bigger problems ok people definitely want more iraq i think lots of europeans actually do want more europe it's just that the leaders are terrified of their euro skeptic ford says that that. saying ok very positive you know we've got all the balls to know we're not supposed to know thanks so much we've been talking about your events wake up calls from brussels hope we've given you plenty of food for folk about next week and so on by by.
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