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to save the iran nuclear deal there is a plan but it desperately needs more time the one thing tehran says it's running out of tonight a european rescue the odds are against it donald trump is against it how much longer until iran decides that it too is against it i'm bored golf in berlin this is the day. everybody is very much aware of the need to pop the secure way fully and place and to have. fully compliant with us but we expect iran to implement the agreement fully iran is not doing that at the moment to get out of it in the school that it takes to do you'll be free to choose of the resolution mechanism if it doesn't take to file a chanst took the nuclear technical legal steps that have been taken and that that effects have been taken reversible so we hope and invited onto the 1st steps we've
all totally committed to the middle east denuclearized. expensive for the troublemaker to fix it if you're on cross nuclear weapons that other countries in the region with a particular. also coming up on the ring the british man with the mind that cracked the nazi code he saved his country from a tragic end his country did not return the favor one group who. is the leader of the new of is. true is genius is really to leave the all you know struggle with. and we've all read it all or rather this is lucy the real truth is the droids on to shoulders so believe this.
well to our viewers on p.b.s. in the united states and all the around the world welcome but we begin the day with europe's plan to save the iran nuclear deal and unlikely plan for success that most likely will not succeed that is the sobering assessment tonight from tehran and washington now we know where the trumpet ministrations stands but it is the position of the iranian leadership that is troubling europe iran wants europe to deliver something akin to an economic miracle come up with a plan to shield it from harsh u.s. sanctions and make that plan work yesterday or despite europe's efforts so far iran's foreign minister today repeated what we have heard several weeks now it simply isn't enough today european foreign ministers did their best to be optimistic but they also warned iran and the u.s. that it is up to them not the europeans to deescalate tensions iran is still
a good year away from developing a nuclear weapon we think there are still some closing small window to keep the deal alive and that's the. i think it is a bad decision a bad reaction in the face of a bad decision from the u.s. to pull out of the agreement as to what you did let go depends on behavior of those who would be willing to see you could be or they must behave according. to increased tensions. raised doubts trust them up with ability we have no illusions we europeans will not be able to offset iran's economic disadvantages from u.s. sanctions well it isn't dead yet and we are totally committed to keeping the middle east denuclearize. and for more on the situation with iran and the europeans i'm joined now here in the studio by the award winning journalist deborah amos deborah has covered the middle east extensively. for n.p.r.
radio she has also reported on p.b.s. and a.b.c. in the us and she is the author of several books and we are delighted to have her in the city of the night it's good to have you here on the day deborah the meeting today of the foreign ministers it was it was not an emergency meeting on the iran nuclear deal should it have had that label not yet although i think that they all understand that this is an emergency and i think what was striking about the statements today is how they made an equivalency between washington and tehran they were as tough on the iranians as they were on washington saying to washington think about your what you're doing reconsider what you're doing and start talking and that speaks to the fact that europe really is caught between a rock and a hard place you're isn't it oh indeed and i think that they feel that acutely they really don't have much clout on either side and they see that these moments of tension are rising you know we have the british seize an iranian ship that
supposedly was on its way to syria with oil the iranians have arrested a dual citizen french iranian and we don't really know what's happened to her and so all of these things these pieces of tension are building and they all feel it acutely and yet the europeans today decided not to register iran iran's violations of the era of the iran nuclear deal of the j.c.b. away although iran has broken what 2 times and says that it will do it again in 60 days how much longer do you think europe will be able to look the other way so today also striking that used foreign policy chief said that those steps were in significant that they were all reversible and what i hear from analysts is that they're all trying to get over the finish line to get to the u.n. general assembly in september when everybody can sit face to face and. perhaps find
a way around this you know anything can happen that's the problem with this conflict is there are so many places that can get out of control and these these little acts of provocation by tehran they are little acts aren't they they're not meant to spiral out of control but they're meant to i mean maybe you maybe see this differently they're meant to make sure that europe's attention is not diverted that's exactly what it's all about this is high stakes diplomacy all of the acts are reversible or deniable the problem is that there are so many actors out in the gulf in the straits that things can go awry this miracle i was talking about at the beginning of the show that the iranians would like the europeans to deliver in sticks to give us the name of it can europe deliver with what iran would like to him here here are 2 problems one is washington and washington says to
europe if you run anything else besides food and medicine through the insects process we will sanction you and iran says wait a minute that's not fair we got into this deal because we were promised by you they are bands who signed on to this that there would be an economic benefit and we're not getting it here's the 2nd problem with instax it's an interesting idea very difficult to do never been done before but you have to have business buy in you know that and you know you can have a foreign policy all day long but you cannot force private businesses to take a risk that they won't take and so that's the problem with delivery you have to get companies willing and they're not you know i think i saw a report today that slovenia has signed up for instance i mean is it that they're struggling to to come up with i guess good news to associate with this mechanism do we even know if in states. it will work i mean you and i were talking earlier today
i mean if you even know you have a head full of transactions that they can show to the iranians and say you've worked 10 countries actually have signed up and this is something that was you know started by the brits the germans and the french and it's based in paris run by a german banker. now you can only do food medicine none of those items are sanctioned those are small companies already german trade with iran is down by 60 percent and almost all of the companies aren't even doing any business now it's just their foreign staffs in tehran so there's really no way unless you can move through that system that you could have enough trade to ever satisfy tehran now they do need food medicine that is true and even before the nuclear deal was signed then food and medicine was not sanction and iran was having a terrible time i was there in 2014 they were out of cancer medicine they had to
take bales of cash to europe to go buy it because there was no bank that would back them they're going to be in that trouble again. is the united states the shooting itself in the foot with this position is it possible that in sticks could give europe let's say maybe even china russia iran saudi arabia maybe the idea that it is possible to create a mechanism that could one day challenge the gemini of the almighty dollar i mean is that something that could be. unforeseen side effect of all of this there certainly are european alice who say that that is exactly what it should do that the transatlantic alliance is damaged that the european interests and the american interest are not aligned these days and that in sticks gives them a way to get out from under this you know had germany as they say of the dollar
but i talk to other europeans who say look the transatlantic alliance we cannot we may not like this president but we cannot move away from it and so let's not talk about instax because when the stakes get higher when it's not iran we really are going to be on the side want to be on the side of the united states let's talk a little bit about diplomacy and politics and how it plays in this we learned this weekend. what a former u.k. ambassador to the united states what he thinks about the iran's nuclear deal i want to take a look at the diplomatic cable that he sent in may 2008 seen of course by the u.k. an ambassador kim derek and it was published in the newspaper yesterday and this is part of what he wrote he said that the trump administration is set upon an act of diplomatic vandalism seemingly for ideological and personality reasons it was
obama's deal now are you or not are we all talking about a and iran nuclear deal that is falling apart because. trump wanted to spite barack obama look let's talk about what we know and that is you think the uranium so do you think that's in their calculators that they're thinking trump is doing this to us to get back at barack obama i think what's in the iranian calculus is actually more and more important right now and that is that they saw trump pull back with as he said 10 minutes despair of having an actual strike on tehran so what they're gambling is he doesn't want to go to war and that makes them continue this push to focus everybody's attention because they cannot survive this kind of economic warfare their economy has shrunk by 6 percent their currency has lost 60 percent of its value you cannot go on like this for
a long time so they need for people to pay attention and do something about it question president rouhani today signaled they would like to talk with the u.s. if the sanctions were lifted do you think that is something that the iranians are counting on before the november election next year in the u.s. i think it's an interesting gambit for them 1st of all i saw a poll today that said that 75 percent of iranians don't want them to talk to the u.s. because interesting it can't be trusted yeah and so that is a proposal that will never be addressed by washington however when you watch how he deals with north korea he gives more than he's giving to iran and it does raise questions about how serious he is about having talks with the iranians don't matter what he says let's look at what he does there were images from national public radio m.p.r. there it's great to have you on the show and it's great to get your insights thank
you very much thank you good to have you. does it concern you that many people saw that we just races and that white nationalist groups are finding common cause with you on their own doesn't concern me because many people agree with me and all i'm saying they want to leave they can leave now it doesn't say leave forever that was u.s. president donald trump today under fire for a series of racist tweets targeting several democratic congress women now in his tweet tirade trump says that the wall makers should go back to the countries they came from even though we all know they have u.s. citizenship and 3 of them 3 of the 4 were born in the united states and president trump he has been accused of racism after attacking those congresswoman critics say that his message is clear a quartet of congress women of color do not belong in the united states.
trumps tweets targeted for freshman congresswoman alexandra ocasio cortez rush to leap i gonna pressley and ilan omar all of them democrats all of them women of color in a series of tweets the president said they should quote go back to the crime infested places from which they came rather than loudly and viciously telling the people of the united states how to run the government many online including democrats quickly denounce the comments speaker of the house nancy pelosi saying here when donald trump tells for american congresswoman to go back to their countries he reaffirms his plan to make america great again has always been about making america white again democratic presidential candidate carla harris also fired back it is absolutely racist and un-american and it is an old trope go back to where it came from that you know you might hear it on the street but you should never hear that from the president of the united states 3 of the 4 congress women
targeted by the president were in fact born in the u.s. including ocasio cortez whose birth hospital in new york is just a few miles away from donald trump's this was her response she tweeted mr president the country i come from and the country we all swear to is the united states. yeah that was a culture of cortez's response on twitter this afternoon she was asked by reporters how she feels about things and the way the president has reacted she said it's time to move on and to move on from trump and his concept of america take a listen it's unfortunate that he feels the way he feels about people of color in this country it's unfortunate that we think. about immigrants naturalized citizens or not in this country i just don't think from a leadership perspective that's a strong base to operate from if their strategy behind a win for them to be 92 when oprah was i think there's
a strategy to divide the country because the more this country is divided the more he benefits from that and well president drums tweets they drew widespread criticism in the u.k. for example both contenders to become prime minister boards johnson and jeremy hunt said that the remarks were offensive and they agreed with the woman behind me right here al going british prime minister to resign may now her office said in a statement the prime minister's view is that the language used to refer to these women was completely unacceptable unacceptable. and i note here no one neither to resume a jeremy hunt nor boris johnson in their condemnation of trump's tweets used the term racist in fact they refused we understand to label the tweets racist. in 952 he was convicted of gross indecency for his private relationship with
a man avoiding prison only by submitting to chemical castration his security clearance was revoked for no other reason than his homosexuality bringing to an end a promising postwar career as a consultant for g c h q. he died shortly thereafter on the 7th of june 954 from sinai point poisoning and we'll never know how many more lifetimes of discovery were lost as a result. of the tragic end there of a brilliant mind it has taken a long time for britain's alan turing to receive full recognition for the services that he remembered for his country in the 2nd world war but the bank of england has now announced that the computer pioneer will be featured on the u.k.'s new 50 pound note he'll be the 1st l.g.b. t.q. person depicted on a british banknote turing's work was vital in cracking nazi germany's secret
codes. this. is. the governor of the bank of england's announcements recognises a man credited with saving millions of lives this is where on ensuring did his most famous work politically park in english countryside was britain's code cracking pope in the fight against the nazis during his computer solve the riddles of germany's seemingly unsolvable enigma machine shortening the war some say by at least 2 years and the effects of his pioneering approaches continue to be felt many decades liked his work prefigured the neural networks that are used today in applications such as cancer diagnosis self driving cars and other applications and will be used in yet undiscovered technologies of to more. his inclusion on the 50 pound nato so has a great cultural significance after the war on ensuring was prosecuted eva his
relationship with another man and died shortly afterwards the new 50 will be the last british name to be converted from paper to a plastic polymer when it enters secular nation in 2021 unusual for a man will be remembered for the things he did 1st in for some reaction to this is story move i'm joined now by peter tatchell london based human rights campaigner peter it's good to have you on the program you know when we see what happened today we think it's a great on earth but just remind us of the suffering that alan turing endured at the hands of the british state i mean we're talking about being what chemically castrated just because he was gay. that's right he was given the option of imprisonment or chemical castration and he was so keen to continue his groundbreaking scientific work that he opted for over are simply to the option of
chemical castration he was one of over 100000 men in the u.k. who were convicted of consenting adults same sex relations he was convicted of the same offense that sent oscar wilde to prison in 8095 so i ask a while and alan turing to truly great great story because both suffered a similar fate as did 100000 other men and you know these men endured imprisonment in most cases ready sometimes done with years imprisonment with vultures in them being humiliated even beaten up by guard and other inmates prison when they came out of prison they lost their job their marriage to them many of them had mental breakdowns some committed suicide and that's why we are state
government today that all these men to us thought live should receive compensation for the suffering they endured but so far the british government is refusing unlike the german government which has agreed again but the commander of persecuted i'm going to be ignored the british government is still saying no and that in the an insult to alan turing afterwhile and all those men who were victims of that great will knowing that the british the sprits government the british refuses to compensate the victims of what was barbaric what does that mean then about the symbolism of putting the face of one of those victims on the new 50 pound bill. but of course it is difficult and so is the 1st noted openly gay person to ever be featured on
a british banknote so that is a real milestone and it is significant in that it signifies the climax of social acceptance we now have in britain at all levels of society including at the various steps from the whole of the people who produced the british banknotes so for the l.g.b. sports community it is a very important moment but of course we should also remember that as much as on tour it is an icon for l.g. beauty plus people he's also an icon for all britons and last year the b.b.c. other poll to determine the public vote on who the great this person is overprinted thank you and alan theory really both are overwhelmingly by the british people as the greatest in the front of the entry beating or bombers in all fields so i think there was no recognition obviously in north africans which as your introduction. minded us will continue for decades and centuries to come you know he is ideas he's
mathematical genius he's computing theories are the basis of the whole of modern society you know i'm talking to you now thanks to a computer you know space exploration medical technologies the internet email you name it it all boils down to the foundation during a decades ago period me understand this than if he came out number one in a public poll question of you know who was the the most important citizen i mean if the if the people of the u.k. hold him in such high esteem how do you explain the fact that the government cannot agree to pay compensation or to address in some form reparations to those 100000 victims. but of course the british government has always treated alan turing as an exception because of his enormous contribution to the war
effort and to mathematical computer science he has been singled out so he got a royal pardon and an apology long before the other gave it to us they also eventually got an apology and a pardon but it came some years later so i think. like those of fame and celebrity. trumping ordinary people who have suffered just as much if not more. and my producer wanted to ask you do to when do you think that the u.k. will maybe see a lesbian on the face of a british banknote well we hope so very soon but of course a lesbian based upon merit and contribution and there are quite a few prominent lesbians in british cultural history who have. been submerged and hidden from history are now coming to the fore thought many of your listeners and
viewers may have seen the favorite about and whose lesbian effect relationships have only recently come to public attention through that film but there are many many many others and i think you think about the suffragettes or for women's votes many of those leading women were lesbians and their contribution does at some point need to be not just a right peter tatchell one based in human rights campaigner peter we appreciate you taking the time to talk with us and to share your insights tonight thank you thank you. the days almost done the conversation continues online to find us twitter you can follow me of t.v. don't forget to use the hash tag of the day every member whatever happens between now and then tomorrow another drink will see the number.
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