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was an astronaut he took part in the greatest adventure story one of. our. i'm. neil armstrong starts july 20 s. w. . we can make china a peaceful country if you ever said no to beijing yes many times i'm telling you the facts why don't you list the politicians in taiwan has been out campaigning in presidential primaries ahead of next year's election with the topic of relations with china very much on the agenda and i guess this week outside the capital taipei . way who's been seeking the nomination of hughes probe aging policy the kuomintang as china pushes with increasing see for reunification on the taiwanese continue to
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reject it while the party to offer. the way welcome to comfort zone thank you very much for inviting me. you said the only way to resolve antagonism between china and to i one is to talk and to love yes to know your lover showing the threatening taiwan both verbal and militarily and holding a sword over your head continually how do you love what world that's your impression actually if you talk to some chinese in mainland china as long as you don't support separation from china they are not treat you like that they are not attack you so then say the wrong thing another was. right and you know you are not realize that you think that's
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a normal way to live there are power across 180 kilometers of the straits as to you if you see the wrong thing you finished why do you think i don't think it's that serious you have to be serious you keep saying i think you have to talk to each other if you try to visit china so call the china we call the mainland ok we are taiwan our mainland we together is a china is a one china war if you think the threats from china is so serious to taiwan why do european people all the people around the world are all the members up in the end try to work with china try to have dialogue with china try to solve problems it's true that you know that as well as i do it's not a human rights record is their work and it's great that we can do that too apart from trade what exactly it is democratic time i was having common these days with one party communist china you have free elections yes you will change your party in
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power they don't you have independent courts they know you have a free press they don't you can speak out against abuses of power and they can't what on earth have you got in common with mainland china and. i think we should emphasize differences. go there work with them be their friends be their brothers and change instead of being their enemies go there walk with them you can change them like what do you were doing with them now what are you going to do a country about human rights what on earth in china that you can change them what on earth is the evidence what you see the trade surplus china with rights you see a lot of changes in hong kong recently why china is not using force to press down the demonstration why they compromise why because they seek opportunity to prove they can change they came pruitt will come on to hong kong a little later i want to go into some detail of that but the serious issue is the
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military pressure from china is that even 2 years ago your government's national defense report highlighted concerns that chinese military activity near taiwan posed an enormous threat to security in the taiwan straits now just a few days ago you have washington saying that china stepped up its pressure in the largest increase in military activity around taiwan for 20 years and you think that's meaningless why us say china is going to interfere in the lecture in tell you one sole u.s. is coming here to interfere in taiwan. you happy with these bullying turnouts because that's what they are not happy about bullying thing but i'm not what i was doing i'm happy about you know we can do business with each other we can't ask of china to make changes we are the only people on earth believe that we can make that happen we can make china
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a peaceful country where you look back at the history who are the invaders who are the invaders japan right who participated the wars in asia. if you want to live in history you want to live in the now i want you were living in modern humans i assure people i want you i want to make history clear who are the invaders ok if you want to be someone's enemy then they will be your enemy if you want to be someone's friend always phone you even if you have friends if only. let me tell you one thing while think why us is selling our 16 to taiwan instead of 35 and the us is selling at 35 to korea to japan to singapore to other countries why the united states gave the early island to to japan instead of taiwan it was our territory why the us is doing that to taiwan this show.
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vice president of the taiwan foundation for democracy said last month that more and more taiwanese feel their nation is now on the existential threat and you seem to be out of touch with that feeling totally you don't feel i'm very i know the reality i feel the reality i know how to deal with the chinese in mainland. i know what's the facts i know you have you have to give your group of you well have to deal with them as a politician i tried to deal with them when i was the mayor here the the big city mayor i work with the city in one gene i try to communicate with them i try to work with them try to ameliorate carbon emission environmental issues education will work with them for about a dozen mattick front where they continue to squeeze you where they ramp up the pressure where they try to persuade countries to drop their recognition diplomatic
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recognition of you did you not join us china didn't remember this you lost only in 28 teams for the right to chinese russia you would know about the intersection using an engine thank you you recognise china you don't recognise the the republic of china you will recognise it because you and i'm going to be about republicans and we were talking about china is taiwan we were their representative of china before 971 and the un i talk. about in history and this range of them there are 6 you know i'm telling the fact we exist here that the are all the secrecy here and that's what you called the taiwan but you never knew i couldn't that is the hour see here you recognise the p.r.c. rates what in the e.u. when i read an article recently we hear 21 china policy as regards to taiwan and hong kong and i just i think you should be defined like there is we are here to one china policy as regards to mainland taiwan hong kong and macau mr.
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you're not talking about china that continues to thwart taiwan and its participation in the international organizations like the world health organization and interpol for instance you want to be members of those organisms want to sign up as well i mean if you want to help us is trying to stop it why you agreed. it's you know being asked why do you never criticize your amazing i just as i ask a question everybody got everyone oh no i'm in time i need to know you read a lot so i didn't say that we've read a lot of i have a tad of science to express my opinion about china is no toys are in a set up this is wrong this is what tell you i have here one more thing the un the e.u. even germany you recognize the p.r.c. you don't recognize the scene and i truly hope one day you recognize the our scene
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you know how to participate doubly h. o. ok i and you see the chinese on the lock about you know what we have been talking to the press they should try to talk to you are talking is what we should try surveillance results i didn t. if you subscribe to reality see that can keep it that can to try to talk to mainland china time they tried and tried yet they tried to do that us but is a magic show especially today h. o. and i see a or mr show beijing is clearly losing patience with taiwan where you dream of some vague love in between taipei and the mainland china is crystal clear what it wants from you and that's reunification and it refuses to rule out the use of force to get it doesn't it and you live with that and you normalize that on a daily basis ok in our constantly saying to the not you can't convince you you can't enforce the constitution ok there is only one china policy. and that
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includes mainland taiwan hong kong and in my car that's in our constitution we should by and by our country's constitution rights you're being told by xi jinping as you were in january unification is an inevitable requirement for the great rejuvenation of the chinese people he said taiwan should accept that it must and will be reunited with china whatever talks you've been having with china hasn't got the mother vattel idea and how many people in taiwan want that reunification under 3 percent do or about that i'm going to worry about what the rand paul thing about you don't know you've already got people up i think but don't worry about their threatening ver words when you stand up to those threatening words what we stand up to you won't we stand up to that but you know never said you really meant try one must and well ok and i did with john have you not so much of me have you tried to
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take a lot of our constitution to have you tried to take a look of loss to show you are looking at what china is now saying our laws and in our constitution we want to peaceful relationship we want to unification. the people who go through the people don't that's in our law in the constitution it doesn't matter what the why you want to try to amend the constitution that's your perception our people here want to have a peaceful relationship with the mainland and we want to make money we want to do business together we want to have a democracy in the future in mainland china but not. against them not taking down s. and anomie trying to be their friends and tragic change down by participation has like what you do and where do you go that's working so well the the reality is mr joe the beijing's push on unification puts your party the kuomintang into
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a very difficult position doesn't it your veteran china expert suchi actually said that he said she jinping took away all the space for ambiguity and that puts us the kuomintang in a very difficult situation that difficulty being that your party is being told get on with this by china and you don't have a policy of standing up to it so you do have a policy. i declared that i claim that i want to unify china i want to unify under taiwan less young chance for me as a 1000000 people what i want against the current joins me now is my partner see i don't see one percent or so it's fantasy you have to remember there are 3 that happen. in the world you have to understand the history in the world what's happening now unification separation yes yes that's the process unification separation separation unification. that's a track of the history but there's one thing very important i also learned wrongs
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never mind the track of westerly track of mystery is just words there's a track of you know you just know it's the fact the question is what people want to know human nature is that the vast majority of your population do me a favor wants unification to me i don't have you ever stood up to china i stand out if you have some of them i stand up for the republic of china have you ever said no to beijing yes for many times what's wrong with human rights issues yes really yes you can do what you can imagine active was. actually an accident that happened that was 30 years ago i'd be told down 2 years whenever i went to china i told don't you need to introduce democracy to your society or they're listening you know the u.s. attorney so i'll see the 1st of the boss crackdown in 25 years taking place on human rights activists human rights watch reported last year human rights defenders continue to enjoy arbitrary detention imprisonment and in force disappear yes and
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you say nothing about that. have you heard i said anything about that i get just now i even told them i even told them because you don't know my history the old in with them i have the many dialogues with them i told them you have to improve that's human rights that's international standards of treating your people i told them to ok i have to tell you one thing if you don't participate if you don't join them if you don't treat them like they can improve their nothing good is going to happen and what i did live here it's a fine line between that the peace movement isn't a yes it's a very fulsome fine line it's very ambiguous but you have to do that from your heart. people know that but ever spoken up for the tiny taiwanese democracy activists leaving che it's more than looming chait's more than 2 years since he was forcibly disappeared you haven't heard of him leave me in
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a chair it's more than 2 years since he was forcibly disappeared by police in china's going down province and charges subversion of state power he's a citizen of taiwan you don't talk about you don't even know he's let me know he's in terrible conditions human rights groups around the world have been campaigning for his release no one of our governor sentenced to 5 years in jail can't get phone calls can't get letters 4 times his wife was prevented from from going to china to visit. and you know his rights are being around 20 years ago i tried to talk to chinese communists to release and as suspects a lady who just got married and he was released recently i talked to our government. went down was the ruling party and they didn't step in they didn't try
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to rescue her she was sentenced to death however in jail for 20 years and just a year ago she was released probably just at the in this year she was released and look what the people here have done to help human rights you know we should try to work together and we should try to talk to them and what the government here do let's talk about hong kong again you mentioned earlier the view interview and you were you were praising china that they have shown restraint with the demonstrations not praising them for that who started this in the 1st place ok that's the law right. for what the demonstrators will tell you that it was a constant erosion of their freedoms under the one country 2 systems for forced them onto the streets anywhere the denial of universal suffrage the kidnapping of
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booksellers the banning of a political party the prevention of elected legislative council is taking their seats because they didn't like their politics that constant erosion of freedom under the one country 2 systems that's the system that she is offering you one country 2 systems i suggest you take a look what's been happening here in taiwan in the road see the ruling party d.p.p. who claimed they protect human rights there is a minority you know i have to tell when it embarrasses anything happening here that's the reason why it's so embarrassing because our ruling party is trying to martial law here doing something even worse and there is one law related to national security you know that's what they are doing here our ruling party here in of course we created size the hong kong government especially the council tried to
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establish a law which hong kong residents disagree and it doesn't trust so that the show you the latest heritage or that the chief executive you carry lam the chief exec she's beijing's appointing russian history to be a pointy even so-called elected by hong kong representation is. more ask how can people as calm people is there democracy is serious system as can compete let me come back to the question and this is the one thing is important they were to draw. a lot drafts right they've suspended it they said it was not there it is still there it said they've said it's dead they would drop because they did something wrong there in the meat i think there's something proceeding with it but not now that's that's what's happened before now they say they were. you're
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satisfied it's over now i'm not satisfied about that i'm more about what's happening here in taiwan and the one country 2 systems formula that she jinping has offered to taiwan we don't have to read the that or that's not going to happen that's not going to happen and you mean hong kong it's not going to have different systems from china system isn't the last thing i think the system what should exist because that's the the window shop for chinese they should to show that improvement of democracy to the world hong kong system as it should is will give it a try to validate that it's going to embarrass them just to show isn't a lesson that you should take away from hong kong is that china doesn't live up to its promises of democracy isn't that the lesson i think and i think talking and one thing i love china i don't live up to the note on this i do think we should try
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to change then we should try to improve them you should 1st say no to them what how do you know i didn't say no to them. doing that i've been doing that for so many years every time i visited china i talked to them. i say improve your system especially a democratic system and they step up their interference with one of the look at the propaganda war that's being waged against taiwan a study by the university of gothenburg in sweden said you're one of china's major targets for spreading disinformation happy about direct interference well i think. we all see so called the taiwan should be more more opened to outside world especially western society are avoiding we question are doing is just information campaign here while china is trying to do that but other countries also try to do that too i think we should take active actions in solving their problems
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well they're open society but not open enough to the outside world or people of how many english speaking channels here take a look about how many how much international media are existing here in taiwan we're not exposed enough to the outside world however the politicians here tried to close the door china trying not close you know we china one we. know should we or you know we we emphasize local lies ations so much instead of internationalization that's what you don't want to see what's going on here is who do you know when you really miss ourself 1st you don't want to admit it now we want to improve ourselves too we also want to improve china remember i want to take active active process active approach to china to make china change this idea that you can make sure the chileans which frankly is pretty much of
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a long shot why should people vote for your party next year well if you're selling fantasies like that one no we're not selling fantasy. be realistic it's a difficult competition. why don't you try to realize what d.p.p. can do p.v.p. is the one who can guarantee lois a really able action why don't you take a look what we're fighting for where fighting for true democracy here and good b.b.c. ruling democracy when trying to build a peaceful relationship with china with the mainland we're trying to create a better society here while trying to introduce your systems your values here to taiwan where trying so hard to do that if we want to come dance of people here that can keep this country perfectly well then we have to respect the
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democracy we have to open our society to the outside world we have to be honest to our people the backbiting our ruling party is cheating our people well the bad news for you is that a plurality of taiwanese 45 percent don't identify with your party or the ruling d.p.p. didn't take a look take a look at you're right you're right they don't trust the parties here yeah they don't trust us men don't trust them they don't trust our party you're not saying anything that they think is relevant what i believe they're what they're saying is relevance we realize the fact already people don't trust the parties here people don't trust the politicians here which is why i would think i trust you i mean you you said in the 2nd probably debate we're going to have some problems you claim that the number of time when these people below the poverty line was believed to be around 3800000. which is a fact simply not true which is simply not true it's true that if you research or
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know taiwan proportionally contains fewer people living in poverty than any other country and you know nobody of almost no time no i mean i met them on less than 2 years on those under arrest and to me patients leave you know when i was to me here in time the county. they are around one quarter of the students can afford their lunch that's one quarter if you times that proportion to the total population here in taiwan and tell me in fact and i'm right. i'm telling you the fact that's not the facts that's the fact i'm telling you the fact why don't you listen almost no time when he is live on less than $1.00 u.s. dollars a day that's noble part out there that is that really of the poverty that's growing over the nature of poverty is different really might have been a relative of the latino not know who wrote yes relative to that in mind yet that's
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my definition and ubiquitous as my donation you live in so i can tell you if any student cannot afford their lunch then he's and his family is living in poverty that's my definition if it all goes wrong here in taiwan and she jinping loses patience and somebody says something they shouldn't say. and china looks as though it's moving towards an invasion would you fight for taiwan. or not lead to your ultimate loyalties lie mr cho loyal to our country the republic of china well loyal to our constitution you would you fight your show you know yes yes yes if they violated our constitution to preserve and protect our people and defend our people i'll fight against china so she way you're going to have your own culture itself thank you. as the x
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