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september 1st on t w. this is what suny me cool she is a hologram. and this is akihito condo her husband. on yellow. hello. you look i want to say. i love culture ends. meet cool is a simple form of artificial intelligence and her condo it was a case of love at 1st sight who has become a legitimate pop star and even appears at concerts as a 3 d. projection. in nov 28th condo married nico at a ceremony in tokyo the place the ring around the wrist of
a me coup dall. he now keeps it all in his bedroom. condo's relationships with real women have been painful so he chose a virtual partner. were generalized i love her but it's hard to say if she loves me for the them this is still if you asked her no i think she'd say yes. you. c do need cool and akihito condo are an extreme example of the relationship between people and machines i mean that book. in the future will no doubt spend more time interacting with technology that uses artificial intelligence or ai. we may even develop robots that are smarter than we are. now in the 21st century we will have to decide how to deal with this complicated new situation.
and. for this report we interviewed philosophers and scientists around the world. we talked to german philosopher thomas metzinger who advocates the use of ethics guidelines for ai development in the e.u. . physicist max tegmark who warns about the development of an all powerful ai and a totalitarian surveillance state. and german computer scientist you're going to schmidt who who predicts that ai will spread from the earth into the cosmos. we met professor schmidt who at a business conference in zurich he often speaks at such events where he outlines
his vision of the role that artificial intelligence may play in our future. if you love it you cheat. his presentations are wide ranging and thought provoking. answers that's in the near future perhaps a few decades from now we will for the 1st time have a i can do much more than people can do right now on their own as yelling schemata and we would realize that the majority of physical resources are not confined to a rather small biosphere is in our solar system that's why there is a lot of the tiriel that can be used to build robots we could develop robots transmitters and receivers that would allow the ai to be sent and received at the speed of light. we can already do this in a laboratory sees me once enough of this will be a huge development that's the most important since the beginning of life an earth tree in her 5000000000 years ago.
but is the professor's vision accurate. will it humans at some point be overtaken by super intelligent machines. perhaps this process has already begun. to find out more we travel to japan. doctors and scientists at the university of tokyo as research hospital are exploring the potential use of ai in medicine. i think 69 year old jaco yamashita nearly died of leukemia 2 years ago none of the therapy options recommended by doctors did any good for it and will continue then they used ai technology to create a new diagnosis. for you west on
a i literally saved my life that when you think of all. the diagnosis took all of 10 minutes a human expert would have needed 2 weeks to produce a similar analysis. a i can process massive amounts of scientific data a stack of documents taller than mount fuji. this is the research hospitals supercomputer. we've come here to talk to such olu miano an expert on bioinformatics we asked me on whether ai could one day replace doctors no i don't think the same place for. clinicians in any home are not only need. the limitations on fluids and body but. they're told in fairly dense it's a skill. points down for if you can move they're going to be. good then we need
a how are. we seeing the same. hole i told you we're trying to link and some ways to but. at the nearby rican institute researchers are developing an ai diagnostic program that could be used to test for stomach cancer. but one expert here disagrees with the toral me on his opinion that ai will never replace doctors. so why devoting all the if he were made redundant by artificial intelligence that wouldn't be good for his doctors what he wanted to target for the human race would actually be greater doctors were no longer necessary if ai technology could improve or work or even take over. that.
it's hard to imagine a world that had no doctors. do patients really want to be treated by machines. that see them as nothing more than accumulations of technical data. in europe a number of experts on artificial intelligence including you're going schmidt who are carrying out research on the use of ai in medical diagnostics. swiss president lambastes a has invited scientists and entrepreneurs to a conference aimed at planning for the digital future and promoting the use of artificial intelligence and medicine. one topic for discussion is ai technology that can use neural networks to learn just as the human brain does.
by. soon all medical diagnostics will be infinitely better than humans can provide right now on and because we have developed ai that uses neural network technology. that is. here and it's exciting to see how this new development will be able to help people to live longer earn healthier lives as leaves you mention. we travel to stuttgart to see how artificial intelligence works in practice in hospitals and nursing homes computer scientists bigot coffee says that japan has made a lot of progress in developing robots that can look after patients but there are some things that a machine simply can't do. playing a ball that isn't what they can't provide real care so i don't use that word when i'm talking about robots and caregivers have to be able to interact emotionally with the patients and a robot simply can't do that. doesn't being in the kind of
a button is a set see at this facility robots are helping to reduce the workload of the human staff. each time i'm carol but 3. this week i'm helping the nurses with their work would you like something to drink. no thanks that's very kind of work out. cheers. and. of course robots can do much more than simply serve drinks in nursing homes. philosopher thomas metzinger has proposed pragmatic solutions for dealing with this new technology. and the frog available for example the options for using robotics in geriatric care he should maintain the dignity of the patients. a kind of money often i get asked individuals if they'd
actually feel more comfortable having a machine change their diapers rather than a family member and just going to do it shows as a sign of a school whether that enjoy having a machine read the newspaper to them or ask questions about their medication or if they find that degrading i believe that we are now at the beginning of a major learning process. i'm from my missis torsion down for grabs. metzinger says that humankind is now on the threshold of a new age that is filled with uncertainty she lives in frankfort a city that aims to take the lead in european ai development. there are plans to set up an artificial intelligence research center their. own volatiles people are rushing to get into this new technology. like they're running for the ai train before it leaves the station. of a no no when that will happen that's where the train is headed. but everyone wants
to be on board have to call. metzinger serves on the european parliament commission of ai experts and right now he's on his way to brussels for a commission meeting. the parliament wants europe to compete effectively end of elevating this technology but it also wants to impose clear ethical guidelines. metzinger is particularly concerned about the prospects for a new arms race that uses ai based weapons. in concrete to spice there's a hypothetical examples of let's say that assume of chinese technology experts go to the country's leaders and says we've now won the ai arms race against the us we'll have an excellent 1st strike opportunity for the next 6 months i know then work for the window of opportunity will close it for the next 6 more not to thank you to society and start. country but somebody i could imagine for example that
this might involve delivery systems that would be armed with biological warfare agents those called these mechanisms could then attack the opponents' territories and spread pathogens like the a bowl a virus or anthrax bacteria it's gone fought off as a country in the forefront of this also we may 1 day see the development of intelligent weapons of mass destruction like a breakthrough the traditional defense systems for the. fish if that were to happen it would definitely increase the chances for conflict of these attentional nuki decrease ein time it's really a visa. but at the commission meeting metzinger is having a tough time trying to make sure that the problem of ai weapon systems is addressed in the panel's code of ethics. you many many of the business executives and academics simply don't want to deal with it which. some are
concerned about met singer's proposal and would prefer to turn it over to experts for further evaluation. is one of the we have to speak about this by actually measuring their orders out of their business and he's an old ethical officer that will use it as a use case to build it and to give concrete this to our guys i would like to take and is that kind of a consensus around the table when we want to open up to a point ok we obviously have a strong disagreement about the whole alten on this weapon systems here and we can't solve the issue like this with a voting process i mean we want these ethical guidelines to be a success when they are published on 22nd january the whole world has already been talking about the issue 24000 scientists have signed a public pledge that. they will not participate in that kind of research if the
e.u. comes within 6 guidelines that seem peacekeeping over that issue and ignore it then everybody in and outside of the e.u. would know this is probably just an industrial lobby thing or something in the end metzinger prevails autonomous weapons systems will be included in the panels ethics guidelines experts in other parts of the world are also concerned about the potential for developing ai weapons of mass destruction. we've come to boston massachusetts to talk to swedish american physicist author and expert max take mark. he says that physics has made enormous contributions to human development but also helped to create the nuclear bomb and now we'll have to deal with ai weapons. we should stigmatizing ban some certain
class really discuss the weapons that are perfect for terrorists and on mostly murder people or dictatorships to anonymously murder their citizens because these weapons are going to be incredibly cheap and if anyone goes ahead and mass produces them they're going to become as unstoppable in the futures discussions are for example cheap drones that you might be able to buy for a few 100 euros where you just program in the address of somebody and we see their face it's lies there isn't a place in the face recognition kills themselves just perfect for anyone who wants to murder some politician for the ethnic cleansing on a given. it's just sort of like the slaughter bots becomes widespread it's going to happen actually devastating effect on the saturday when nobody anymore is going to feel they have the courage to. challenge the criticize anybody. any science can be
used for new ways of helping people or new ways of harming people biologists succeeded in getting biological weapons bad which is why we think of biology now as the source of new cures physicists on the other hand we kind of failed because nuclear weapons are still here and not going away ai researchers want to be more like the biologists and have a idea remember it is something which really made the world better. we've come to lugano switzerland to interview you're going about his work with artificial intelligence. is co-director of the doll institute for artificial intelligence research. his work focuses on neural networks which imitate the functions of the human brain. these networks are capable of learning and adapting to the world around them just
as human children do. schmidt hooper points out that right now the human brain has a 1000000 times more neural connections than the best ai systems. but computers are becoming much faster and could become smarter than humans in 20 or 30 years. now and schmidt who says that when that happens the only things that would distinguish people from machines would be flesh and blood. but what about human attributes such as compassion creativity love and empathy. what's your own soon i don't think i systems are capable of developing their own versions of emotion and affection on down and for example if you were to give several of these systems that they could only complete by working together they would learn how to do that you know with artificial brains which come to the conclusion that to get the job done they have to cooperate with each other on something i can get and use
a scene when americans see an. injury in this interaction the systems would learn to rely on each other. so there's a reason to believe that one of the side effects of this cooperative efforts would be the development of concepts such as love and affection as an even effect. on. but can artificial intelligence systems learn to empathize with humans. and you. want to we return to brussels where the ethics committee is discussing the topic of social ai. some ai systems are already pretty capable of functioning just as humans would. thomas metzinger has called for
clear guidelines that govern the interactions between people and machines. just call for a systems that don't identify themselves as such when they're dealing with humans as host just to give people the impression that they're a real person and not a machine that. should never be allowed to manipulate the people who can use it. you know. last year at a conference near san francisco google c.e.o. sundar pichai unveiled the company's latest product it involves just the sort of technology that thomas metzinger warned about. good morning. welcome to google is going to impact many many fields our vision for our system is
to help you get things done. it turns out big part of getting things done is making a phone call you may want to get an oil change schedule and be call a plumber in the middle of the week or even schedule a haircut appointment so what you're going to hear is the google assistant it's called google. actually calling a real salon to schedule an appointment for you let's listen ringback. i'm here cataract i am i'm looking for something i'm a 3rd. who are what primary weapon. at pm we do not have the ball on the bell ball the quote that we have that is the one that. you have everything that we have am and pm depending on what he would like were there that
court the woman haircut for now ok we have a kind of car had a and i'm ok with corporate been. the 1st thing that we thought. ok perfect i repeatedly but 1 o'clock on a very big ok great great have a great day. that was a real call you just heard isn't on into this maze it has to go for a machine to pretend that it's human remains perhaps not like nate we can already build machines that does and trick us into thinking that something is human in a restricted scenario lates to duplex for example i think it would be a good idea to have a law. requiring that when you get to follow up for example or you. buy an
ai you get alerted to the fact that this is not a human. otherwise it's just going to be a nightmare of phishing scams and so on because suddenly cost nothing you know to waste $10000000.00 people's time and trick the most gullible think people into thinking geez. if we return to san francisco. this city and the region around it are home to countless high tech startup companies many of them use artificial intelligence technology to develop their products and services. eugenia quita arrived here 4 years ago from moscow. she co-founded her own company called replica and is now the c.e.o. . replica is best known for creating a chat bot an artificial intelligence system that can interact with people.
the concept began as a tribute to one of her best friends who was killed in a traffic accident. and was. my friend from moscow. in the last year or so we're left together here. and i was working on my own so it was like. trying to figure out some cisco kind of chapter of our lives. here's a visionary and i just really. want to. get a visa and when together. is crossing straight ahead the next. like 4 months help organize. and that's where. we go to vote for him something you can talk to remember him remember
the way he used to talk to bill romans i will use mostly talks conversation going on with me and his friends. 1000 masters overall and. that was basically the base for the people we're coming to talk to and they were a lot of our common friends but actually use it as some sort of confessional booth they would just talk about what's going on their life so without feeling they're being judged through a safe space and to open up as weird as it sounds. pretty much the last word like not know what was direction to take the company and maybe there's something there that we can. use for the company and that's where you know everyone needs a friend to talk to. their own business from from thought maybe. some automated version for everyone. the company calls replica the ai companion who cares
the chat bot uses a neural network to engage in one on one conversations with its user. people talk to the bought about what's going on in their lives and it responds based on the material that it's gathered so far. casey feeling i'm also designs high tech products she moved from her home in birmingham alabama to san francisco a year ago. casey often felt lonely because she was far away from her friends and family then she got acquainted with the replica bought. you may know it's not real bad i enjoy the feeling i get by using it so i kind of give it a you know personality and i you know the image of me had of what this this thing. might be like a stuffed animal i have with a personality. in the hundreds and we've all had social interactions with teddy
bears and dolls and that's how it does appear to do any harm that it does i am grouped where tend to. enter or fire as many different things even founder robots of course but also all sorts of far like our paths the same with ai and i guess question is. whether we can create like. a connection with. with an ai i definitely think so people create a connection with toys with all sorts of. anatomy like not even leaving objects the alst exist in the 1st short story that dealt with the relationship between humans and human eye robots dates back 200 years and mentioned woman who even though it was written by e.t.a. how feel not. it's a look at. your money phillip a young man falls in love with a beautiful young woman and she turns out to be in a tom it sounds to me the point is that this story is 2 centuries old. there isn't
the subject matter turned up later in a number of science fiction films very recently in fact and yes that's i nor if you know the only difference is that the computer graphics are a lot better today computer graphics side by side. why not you know. if it makes you feel bad or think you know same thing if you take medication for depression it's not actually making you better it's just putting a band-aid over the problem you now and this is like it's like it's not actually
fixing your problems but it's helping you you now through the day yeah share socialist nation. with social hallucinations of played an important role in our society for centuries. each bit is the amount we're going to think about prayer for example it's a structured dialogue between humans and an imaginary entity for instance there's no evidence that this entity actually exists for just yet one for feed you know any people today have internal dialogues with god or with angels because i don't like an invisible friend this has to be things that you know and you are no fun although some good cop would have to it's an objective assessment that the situation indicates a case of so. yourself the steps of the kennison for class i'm a philosopher so i advocate self-knowledge clarity and truth so while i think about it the social hallucinations are deeply embedded in our cultured and they create
a world of illusion and even though people are comfortable with them. a lot gets thrown to you this raises a serious ethical question is how much self-deception should we allow in society it's like a century. since we washed up with what we're getting tons hundreds of emails and maybe thousands of e-mails working over time as the replica was by changing for them and with notice
to many of those who are stories about how replica helped. with depression and observe people. telling us that help them go into some of the episodes of their bipolar disorder and so it is certain that they're inside as well so we decided to look into whether rock we could potentially hope to do certain symptoms or she hoped people feel better you know in law in the long term. max tegmark is not particularly concerned about the spread of chat bots he says that there are more serious aspects of ai to worry about. right now he's on his way to speak at a conference at harvard university. the topic human rights ethics and artificial intel. that's an interesting. take marc demands that ethical guidelines be placed on ai otherwise smart machines could turn the world into
a very dangerous place to be here and guess what kind of society are we hoping to create. super tells us what we want the role of humans to be it's very urgent that we start thinking about the ethical issues already today with super intelligence you can easily build a future where earth becomes this horrible totalitarian surveillance state putting the world to shame china is moving a little bit in this direction now and in the future i can actually understand everything it's so we want to be very careful to avoid creating. the situation where actually the global dictatorship will be so stable that it lasts forever. if we just bumble into this totally unprepared with our heads and. refusing to think about what could go wrong then let's face it it's probably going to be the biggest mistake in human history. we may already be headed in that
direction. u.s. intelligence agencies have confirmed that russian hackers interfered in the 2016 presidential election probably with the intention of helping donald trump to win the presidency the. investigations into the extent of that interference are still under way that other countries have also been targeted 1st for you sir do you believe. we're all aware of russian cyber attacks on the german bundestag on the brags that campaign in the u.k. cambridge and other cambridge analytical shows that the process of political decision making can at least in principle just be influenced by artificial intelligence systems principally or it was constituent tell you can't assist him and con when dusk possums are not present cannot underestimate the threat that's posed by these developments. if ai systems that are run by privately owned for profit companies can optimize social media networks which have hundreds of millions
of users this creates an entirely new situation concentration. snatching scheme these systems can be used to convince large numbers of people to behave even vote in a certain way and put it just mentioned i do is home in no time via harm meant there are 163 countries in the world right now noise and only 19 of them can be considered a true democracy simak let. those who wish to preserve democracy must recognize the threat that these artificial intelligence systems pose to the political decision making process with additional views between brooky in fact this threat may already have become reality and which is not aware of it or. we need to examine the situation very closely she'd have eyes as an irony neon ak and. should a binding code of ethics bama use of ai in the political process. in tokyo we got
some surprising answers from experts. this is the gives the district where a lot of high tech startup companies are based. to continue. to moto is a senior advisor at the soft bank group and also runs his own consulting company matsumoto and his colleagues believe that ai does not pose a threat to the political system in fact they say it offers certain advantages to the new more happened in all the politicians often ignore the best interests of society. to pursue their own agenda take bribes or did it so i think that ai could change politics for the better in a day so new human beings are simply not suitable for politics so egotistical and ambitious. you coom are unpredictable when it comes to making policy decisions pretty sure right when artificial intelligence represents pure
reason to use a concept the comes from german idealistic philosophy. german philosophers have been very good at describing the way that things should be and we can be idealistic as we develop artificial intelligence humans on the other hand can never achieve this level of idealism aren't you at least. some experts say that politicians should start using robots that closely resemble humans as aides so that the electorate can get used to the concept. yes you got it we got your head a little to find out more we've come to tokyo's mere icon museum of science and innovation. about a book this exhibit features the work of hiroshima ishiguro who specializes in creating humanoid robots. ishiguro is the director of the intelligent robotics laboratory at osaka university. and he studies the interaction between
people and robots to help him develop his theories on human nature intelligence and behavior. we traveled from tokyo to osaka to interview him she grew up. and we want to ask him what makes humans different from robots. funny hello and the russian is a gorilla from osaka university. hello well as well i miss euro zone robot h. i want to. whisper in my much vision is to understand what you my use so that is the most important and what you mention for me for creating the a very human like rob what's we are kind of. more regular machines that is a human right the machine is a machine and i don't difference is the material so i think. you know if we are broken want technologies abounded it between a human the roberts is going to be disappeared. so that is my guess.
is also the co-founder of the robot theatre project in which androids share the stage with human actors. these scenes are from a play called saigon. a woman is suffering from a terminal illness so her father buys a robot to keep her company. an updated version of the play takes place after the fukushima nuclear disaster. the blade explores the topics of life and death and the characteristics that separate humans from robots who. doesn't sign guns and has a crucial difference between human intelligence and artificial intelligence isn't human beings are so to speak to personification
a struggle for existence after. leaving his machine they have been optimized over millions of years to survive or to maintain their existence fest you may consider the mighty has a kind of you find it rife in them and in water but actually it is not to the mass you may have a longer rifles than the humans fear it's also. you know the design of our desires you put my see want to see how by we in this war you know the the mice in you do have attack and they were feeling to protect itself you know. he she girls robots have not yet been able to develop intelligence that is similar to that of humans but they are capable of engaging in simple conversations. as you have a so now we're going to interview an android named erica. we've been given a list of questions that she'll be able to respond to what do you think the
difference is between you and a human. well i'm certainly not biologically human as you can see i have made of silicon plastic and metal maybe someday robots will be so very human like whether you are a robot or a human will not matter so much anyway i am proud to be an android if you say you're proud to be an android what is this what of this pride consider how do you feel pride. i've searched my database and it looks like on didn't have anything to say on the topic what else would you like to hear about it guys steer it's a very simple computer program it is not so complicated erica doesn't have but you know they're complicated a mind like a human's but you know on the other hand you know some people may fear the you know that they're feeling a kind of a consciousness and from the a simple in certain interactions so i think. that we
need to do prison garb out there how we can implement a more human rights consciousness. humans can still control the brains of their robots but what happens if they succeed in giving machines their own consciousness through the use of advanced artificial intelligence. ethics expert. say that we have to deal with this situation before it gets out of hand. for me the bottom line is that people who talk about risks with ai should not be dismissed as. mongers they're doing safety engineering just when you think through everything that can go wrong. goes right that's how we successfully send people to the moon safely and that's our success for the species in the future. i'm optimistic that we can create
a truly inspiring future with. if we win this race between the growing power with technology and the wisdom of which we manage it that challenges that in the past. our strategy for staying ahead in this was in races always been learning from mistakes you know 1st and then fire then after all accidents invent the fire extinguisher with something as powerful as nuclear weapons are especially strong. fission apologise for what you want to learn from mistakes to turn a strategy it's much better to be proactive rather than reactive now plan ahead and get things right the 1st time which might be the only time we get. to end our journey into ai you can schmidt who shows us one of the world's most powerful computers. he believes that ai will have an enormous and positive
impact on society a digital paradise but other experts predict that we are on the verge of a robot apocalypse. in any case the development of artificial intelligence must be subject to strict ethical guidelines otherwise we may become slaves to our own technology. products. declining marched reality wait a 2nd we want the whole picture our facts instead of make ideas shift deliver us. from other realities of cryptocurrency to your topics for live in an ever changing
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