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leave hong kong and move to other parts of the country that we could see protests elsewhere in china as a result of yeah. i think the propaganda war by china itself very often enough a successful in hong kong and it's all very successful in the international media as well because hong kong people have been very used to this kind of propaganda state media that their statements and people mainly use it mainly say it as a joke more than believing what they are saying yes so and also hong kong people are really trying to be they are really trying to get international attention and a lot of protests all going on in other countries as you said but could the social media propaganda in other propaganda lead to protests that will move to other parts of china or do you think that's that's a situation that's to be excluded that these protests are not transferable to the for example the minority muslims oh i don't sing they're going to move somewhere and as a chinese cities because it's not going to work because the home call is to
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a free city you may go to a street and demonstration but in china the simple ways we don't know exactly what happened happened really happened in mainland china we don't know what exactly happened why it happens and the police have a very strong hand and they would make you disappear for long periods and that's very risky for all the parties but they're ok we're going to focus more now on the propaganda war being waged on numerous fronts by beijing those fronts include global social media platforms state run media from entertainment to films to internet news sites and of course to state run t.v. as well. this is how chinese state media are presenting the situation in hong kong as a city in chaos with mass protesters prepared for violence. may accuse of being bandits and terrorists. this is the chinese government's take
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on the temporary occupation of hong kong airport. we express our strongest condemnation of this new terrorist act and express our deepest condolences to be injured maine and compatriots and hong kong police. the newspapers are also full of images of violence this propaganda seems to be plausible for some citizens who didn't think i think that it's ok to take to the streets in protest in a normal way but you shouldn't destroy public order and carry out violent acts only terrorists do that kind of thing. state media have also been showing these images of troops exercises in on the border with hong kong. will china really resort to own arms to crush the resistance in hong kong. or what do you think about chinese a propaganda aimed at hong kong and the rest of china how effective is that
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different isn't it we heard from sherry this offer effective in hong kong what about on mainland china the people by all that. that's the big question i think the interesting thing and you pointed to that is that. in hong kong it doesn't work and it doesn't work although there's been more than 20 years of strong propaganda strong propaganda in schools and it didn't work and i think this demonstration came as a surprise to beijing because they didn't thought we have discovered it so the big question in mainland china is do people believe all the propaganda yes in a way they do it's what they're fed with but it doesn't mean that they are happy with the system that they're happy with their own lives and that there's not a lot of undercurrents of dissatisfaction that could blow up nobody had a protest like in hong kong on their books and the big question for beijing is how is it conquering to control its own population ok. how what do you think what it
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would just china not getting right about hong kong why is the propaganda not succeeding there is it simply that hong kong people have access to western media is that what's going on there there is no saying china's rich is very good is like a metaphor for this reason because the asian chinese when intellectually writing from upstairs to down serious when they're reading books always why home cause the hong kong regard hong kong is part of bristol there right from left to the right hand side is always safe no and just think in beijing they want it right into the body's response and how we read that's exactly that they know everything what the party in the states say it's too and they didn't have the 2nd sort of independent source because of censorship that's the reason and i don't see chinese states around maybe a is going to have the control they might have
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a conscious of the public opinion within the mainland china but what they want it's have an international opinion a china friendly international piano what they're trying to do not over the the facebook and twitter ok. what do you think of propaganda is not going to work what are the options for beijing to get hong kong in line. to answer all that the minds of hong kong people 1st of all this is i think in every mind of this and they know very well what they want and what they're fighting for and they're not going to stop until they get that the month and also there's one thing about. a public opinions in china maybe chinese government think that they could control the public opinion but the fact is that chinese people are they are so afraid to speak out that it's never we are never able to get what they're really thinking because they cannot speak on social media they cannot speak on camera so maybe they are really thinking like hong kong people just that they can speak out maybe they want
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the same freedoms but we simply don't know that ok well the chinese communist party's track record on respecting human rights is of course dismal the occupation of tibet destruction of its culture the internment of over a 1000000 muslims of course as well and the bloody suppression of the democracy movement at tiananmen square in 1989 now this was the central point of. efforts to crush the human rights movement 30 years ago and it was a savage reality when tanks literally rolled over young pressers protesters in the square of heavily peaceful we all remember that in tiananmen square young men and women who had the audacity just like the courageous citizens of hong kong today to call for their voices to be heard to demand that their voices matter just as much
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as the highest functionary of the communist party and that all people must be equal before the law that will is what it was all about back then and is now and the question is those voice those voices 30 years ago they were drowned out in blood we haven't heard them since then not in the way that we're hearing them now at least in hong kong. it's a big question i know but after looking at the images of tiananmen square from 30 years ago bernard if we could start with you should we be concerned about the possibility of another tiananmen square in hong kong. i think we should be concerned but i don't think it's very likely tenement is still a trauma for the chinese communist party. beijing knows that it would be drastic if the p l a the people's liberation army actually went into hong kong and i don't think it's necessary nowadays because the party has different means of
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putting people on the pressure that has all the technical means it has the companies that are being put under a lot of pressure now cathay pacific and many others so i don't see a big likelihood at the same time i don't see a very good outcome for the hong kong people it's going to be a very unhappy ending i'm very unhappy ending ok what do you think that means gerry what would be a very unhappy ending have you excluded as barrett has the possibility of another tournament where i think hong kong people they are very well aware that china is trying to scare hong kong people with violence and the possibility of sending me i think many of them just trying to acknowledge the fact or even if they know about this they would think that they have nothing to do this if it ends up like this they would they would take other action but that. they only be modest to have
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answers from the gulf and what do you think oh i don't i don't think this. happened again the china sort of years ago is was complete different from the china today because china always says it's now a responsible big nation the international word and they're going to use force because in the international conflict china always says we want peaceful means to solve the problem they can be that china says we now have a problem my home becky art i just make my soldier i said by soldier to give it clear that it's no problem or this is not under than the ball and not the outcome and is china's going to celebrate 60 years funding of the people's republic china beginning of october. that's coming up yeah i don't believe they're going to be have a very very bad image in the international press when the pira is marching to hong kong ok so china plays a very long game though the communist party in beijing. if we look at the past if
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we look at what's happened in tibet what happened in tiananmen square the internment of the weak oars i mean beijing is not adverse to reverting to force at the end of the day it could and would because hong kong has nothing legal framework this is a part of it not a system the legal framework assess the peary could be essential hong kong if the c.e.o. of the leader of hong kong officially os paging to do that about i'm not sink caroline is a leader of the city's going to do that ok well how is the west responded there's been a mixed response french and german leaders have called for dialogue about the situation the us congress has condemned china's heavy handed police response president trump has called on the chinese president to exercise restraint. but like to see hong kong worked out in a very humanitarian fashion i hope prisoner g. can do it he sure has the ability i could tell you from personal logie certainly
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has the ability to do it if he wants to so i'd like to see that worked out the humanitarian fashion i think it would be very good for the trade deal that we're talking about. believe is only donald trump has responded to this in terms of a high level world of politician is the u.s. the only country that can bring pressure to bear on beijing i think home people are trying to. the international community not. only the u.s. but also. to put pressure on china but they also very well aware that only if it's only what it would like. even if international coming. if there are no other action for example economic sanctions all. that was for them mean anything ok what do you say. expressing concerns kind of pressure and china
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has to syria's taken take taking to consider. sanctions not the way out single we are which would be that beijing hong kong they going to negotiate in the framer bung country to systems about the way the timetable at least how the democrats democracy could be implemented in hong kong like a direct like a general election ok i don't know what i'm listening to terry though that's already been decided is 2047 when china resumes control of hong kong until then the chinese people or the people of hong kong rather want democracy the way i'm hearing you is that gerry that's nonnegotiable yeah because for us we don't believe what we're trying to. the extension off on country to a system we don't want to believe that. by the way it will become chess and not the city of china we want to have an extension we want to have the 2 a system for africa ok the 2 system forever let's take
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a listen now to some of the protesters and what they have to say about their hopes their fears and their dreams franco. proponent of the movie come out to protest the more people will be arrested but we still will not leave until we get what we want. the. dream he says and more of those and most all talk no it's a lot more than he knows the north pole pulls of the spoils he cares but we can see the recall vote from home to do this we can vote on more but if we use these points to come close to oversee the people we share the same belly with us and you that if i called him up to see if i push the buttons so we pull out those countries and then go and speak up oh. ok after listening to those protesters are what we're seeing in hong kong or is it something that's shaping up to be
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another clash of cultures on one side a clearly a one party it illogical system on the other a multi-party democracy that supports the rule of law is this a clash of a cultures that we're seeing take place focused on hong kong that has to do with china. i prefer the term competition of systems none of us has an interest in a real clash but definitely in a global situation where we have established western democracies on the one hand on the other hand we have a rise of authoritarian systems led by china and that is part of the conflict that is playing out that is part of why the u.s. is getting involved on a high level because the u.s. and china have this trade and everything else will going on so more trouble for xi
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jinping is something that donald trump obviously enjoys but it's also something that concerns us in europe because in hong kong we say we see the playbook that china is using to. descend and cold for democracy and that is a much much broader question how is it more of a clash or a competition and i prefer the word to the term co-existing because to system should be coexistence of what china doesn't want is that the between the want the 2 systems that one system is challenging the other it should be a coexistence that says to keep the whole one country stable ok so cherry's the west's approach right now a good one should the west back off a void provoking china not looking like it's being involved in the protests right now. speaking from the perspective of a hong kong person of cause but would light the west to speak out more to give more pressure to china but then maybe in the best interests of all these less than
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countries because of all the other reasons because of economy because of trade but then if we had just about the value of the end favor them then obviously the west has this responsibility to. how should the how should the west stay up stand up what does it need to do to show to the rest of the world that it indeed believes in the value. on which it's based i think showing solidarity is important i think honesty is also important i would be very happy for leading european politicians to come out and say we support this this is illegitimate show of concern by the hong kong people china is trying to undermine the legitimacy of these protests and we should show no this is digital image and on the other hand we should also be very open and saying. you can't get can expect this from us but you can expect more we have interests in china we are in a very different and very difficult situation this is how fall be can support you
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but please see the complicated situation that we are and ok our last question to you do you think this is going to end peacefully you are promoting a coexistence of the 2 systems is it going to end well believe the going to end well because the single way out is. hong kong beijing and they have to have the homework they have to do right now and sit down at the table and start talking that's right sherri we can talk more some point about extending the freedoms but the past 2047 are out of time though i'd like to thank all of our viewers from around the world for joining us on quadriga today and of course our guests here as well. i'm brian thomas for all of us thanks so much for being with us.
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j. about sinatra did not support his claims with proof he made the statement as new figures showed that there had been a record number of fires there this year. thousands of high school students in hong kong turned out in the city center to rally for political reforms student leaders announced a 2 week boycott of classes hong kong has been gripped by more than 2 months of sometimes violent protests led by young people demanding more democracy. a syrian migrant accused of fatally stabbing a man in the eastern german city of chemists last year has been found guilty and sentenced to almost 10 years in prison the killings sparked a wave of anti immigrant protests and riots. 3 teams take the united states fiscal shortfall to one trunk tariffs and tax cuts
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are set to widen the budget deficit to one trillion dollars in the next fiscal year . so stop but so is security and the french resort town of garrett's most of the upcoming g. 7 summit residents and business owners are worried the lockdown hurt the local economy. and us travel restrictions take us twice out of cuba's tourism sector. this is the business i'm joined now on in berlin welcome the u.s. budget deficit is expected to balloon to more than a trillion dollars in the next fiscal year the nonpartisan congressional bug. that office warns that federal debt is on an unsustainable course it says that the budget deal signed into law earlier this month would increase deficits by $1.00 trillion dollars over the next decade the cvo is also projecting slower growth in
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the coming years lawmakers will have to increase taxes cut spending or do both to put the brakes on spiraling debt our financial correspondent joins us from new york what does the deficit mean for the economy going forward well especially if you look at the future if the u.s. economy should get into a recession or we see growth slowing quite a bit so what can washington do cutting more taxes for example that would even balloon the deficit higher and we've seen it when u.s. president donald trump took office early 2017 we saw this a mess of tax cuts and if you get less when then on the other side you get a greater deficit and this deficit would be even bigger problem if the yield so if
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interest rates wouldn't be pretty low because otherwise this that would be even more expensive now u.s. central bankers are also meeting in jackson hole with the state of course of the u.s. economy top of the agenda what have you heard out of it so far well fight or go home that's what u.s. president donald trump treated and he's trying to put pressure on the federal reserve to keep cutting interest rates we sold the 1st bear federal reserve bankers arriving in jackson hole wyoming and we've gotten some interview with some of his.


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