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this is deja news from berlin you can always find the latest headlines at d.w. dot com or follow us on it has been 6 years since he became the world's best known whistle blower blowing the lid off america's secret surveillance what edward snowden did forever changed our world including his own for 6 years he's lived in exile in russia and now as his new book goes on sale edward snowden is preparing to move tonight i'll ask his attorney will snowden ever be able to go home or will it have to be germany where he writes his next chapter in berlin this is the day. ultimately i will suffer whatever the consequences are of mine shouldn't with profit mr snowden should return the united states in face the serious crimes that with which he's been charged all of these things are being tracked her perceptions
are. they're being indexed into a sort of surveillance time they want to own your phone instead of you know i don't think mr snowden was a patriot i believe the statements like this that this was to free press this was the crimes that he's accused of committing are serious unfortunately it turns out that not all the statements that were made are honest what would you would find children what should they do if they want to ensure this internet would never be used against them learned magic. also coming up the drone attacks that crippled saudi arabia's oil production who the rebels in yemen say they did it the u.s. is blaming iran accusations aplenty what's missing is the for. at the moment with still assessing what happened and who is responsible for the attacks once this is being stamped least we will discuss with our partners how to proceed new
responsible men and we hope to be united international response to these from the tank. and see our viewers on p.b.s. in the united states and all around the world welcome but we begin the day with whistleblower edward snowden his new book and his not so new wish to go home in 2013 snowden became a household name around the world when he smuggled top secret computer files from the us government and leaked them to reporters how and why he did that is not what you're really learned in his new book permanent record goes on sale tomorrow and it is more about edward snowden the boy the gamer the young man and less about snowden the whistleblower the traitor some say the patriots say others snowden does not give a lot of insight into his life in russia either where he has lived in exile for 6 years in a moment i'll speak with his lawyer about snowden's wish to go home but 1st how
a u.s. whistleblower ended up one of russia's most famous residents if we do now perhaps forever well because we want to remember who we are no longer. to get help and create that system is my greatest regret these are the words edward snowden chose to promote his memoir us permanent record. in 2013 snowden was working as a contractor for the n.s.a. the national security agency in interviews he said he became disillusioned with the work and had ethical concerns with the massive government surveillance programs he was working on. later that year snowden stole
a trove of classified documents from the n.s.a. and leaked them to international journalists this was later dramatized in the film snowden. by the time the 1st articles based on the files were published snowden had fled to hong kong. the leaked information revealed how governments were using the online lives and devices of ordinary citizens to track listen to and take a video of them they could also read emails and text messages and it wasn't just used to catch the bad guys. they're using became real these intentional to storm the public of vital but embarrassing story by this i mean they're using the tools of mass surveillance not to find terrorists but to find the sources of journalists . journalists who have written stories that were embarrassing to the government but his adversaries claim that he recklessly dumped classified files which had
consequences like disclosing military secrets to america's enemies my case since the revelations this reason odin has been living in exile and russia the u.s. wants him extradited on espionage charges. as we believe that under any circumstances mr snowden should return to the united states and face the serious crimes that with which he has been charged we believe that he should. return to united states and face them rather than seeking refuge in the arms of an adversary of the united states that has their own strategic interest in disseminating harmful . or disseminating information in a harmful way snowden denies having collaborated with the russian government he now has a russian residency permit until 2020 and lives at an undisclosed address in moscow . well a man who has been connected to snowden from the beginning of this story joins me tonight robert timbo is snowden's lawyer and he is one of the people that snowden
credits with saving his life mr devoe joins me tonight from the city of halifax in nova scotia canada mr tabor welcome to the day i want to ask you a belt something that snowden said earlier today on the u.s. network c.b.s. . he said that the publication of his new book is leading germany and france to ask should we give snowden asylum is this new book is it part of your client's plan to ask for asylum here in germany well just to clarify in in 2013 when mr snowden departed from on call and in transit through moscow he stopped. short he had applied for asylum in about 21 countries around the world if i'm not mistaken germs on them. and france is one of them and also asylum requests or. at this time has just
made one particular person about 2 fronts. and in terms of germany. mr snowden. has made it very clear oh. no i think if he's given the opportunity he would he would like to he can generally live in germany now understanding. mr snowden hostile and on german soil. and. so as it stands then tonight mr snowden has asked for asylum in france and there is no asylum request that has gone out to germany as of yet correct as far as i'm aware that's ok. the suggestion that snowden could leave russia and live here in europe i
mean it's not news 4 years ago i asked snowden about reports that germany could suffer geopolitically if it crossed the u.s. by granting him asylum here is what he told me that germany is for all intents and purposes the leader of the year. there then it's democracy they're strong athletic they're strong economy and they have a quite well established tradition of defending individual rights but do you not think at were that they would be germany the leaders of germany do you not think that they feared that there would be real and serious consequences for for the government and for the security of germany if they did if they were to grant you a saddam i don't think so now i'm sure they've been that's been communicated through both official channels and unofficial channels but i mean these are said to
be politicians we're talking about and merkel she's not some some new person who's never seen this kind of international signal that he mentioned the german chancellor angela merkel i mean she is due to step down in 2021 so there would be time if he wanted to contact someone in her government is it just the the asylum wall that is getting in the way or is it because of the political sentiment in the country. well it's a combination of both. angela merkel. in terms of. our government. is quite clear clinically. her government's comfortable. landing on german. soil. we. another germany. with another chance are. clearly
mr snowden's take the situation the german government like any other government. and even what how our. invite to germany the i and the what's been expressed ousts i'm sure. that if he does. yes. the ganti study would not be arrested and he would not face extradition proceedings the united states extradition. and that he people to remain in germany as resident. so there are ways to come to germany. and simply point 0 on. our stage doesn't. political will to do it but also what you're saying he would also require germany to violate the extradition agreement that it has with the united states because
we know that snowden wants to go home to the united states but if that is not possible. europe does seem to be his best alternative i want you to take a listen to what members of the european parliament have been say. recent scandals such as decent gate blocks leaks the bundle up papers or cambridge i don't know if you do not have come to light without the coverage of missile blowers. we now have a manual for lawful whistle blowing i think it was time for us to develop it. question no one. no done if mr snowden had to be in european he would not be exiled in a little dutch in moscow. a little dutch in moscow i mean mr de do you agree with those members of parliament here in europe that snowden would have been treated differently had he been a european whistleblower instead of an american one.
there are many cold case rests on its own facts and. us national money only there's the geopolitical. i guess conflict appen germany. is mr snow on. your tree clearly. you differently or you don't because he did i want he would have rights to enter into the european union and enter into a. nationality not in a way that he. you know more significant rights and as an american. oh our for example in in moscow on an extradition issue there are but as an american you arrive europe are again op legally of it very difficult situation it's you know it's it's what apply for
a robust as extradition and political it again with the current administration own i'm that they're not snow there so it appears yes she would be treated differently on yeah it's been this year's us about this year the european union and lawmakers here they agreed on their whistle blower directive which pretext whistle blowers me say was inspired by your client i'm this law reads if the whistle blower could not find suitable internal reporting channels here she can contact the relevant authorities or even go a public did mr snowden did he trying to find suitable contacts inside the in this a before he leaked classified material oh yes he did i am and there's there's chew just sets a fact our mr snow didn't reach 0 he didn't see go
internally in the us government then the n.s.a. ah and sure you know trussing the situation sir and up the scent on those internal mechanisms well oh so call internal assumes are no not that anderson's now i'm part. of the united nations even special up to our own counterterrorism rights are. described in a newspaper you mentioned also when 2008 some united states. thing letter. that would provide protection to mr snowden 2nd insurance route it was a war zone that states some restrictions on those who try and case after case you've seen how. and the best example is that under the obama and
the destruction there's never been more whistleblowers charged or prosecuted. for example instructions then in all u.s. history well mr to. know if if i could let me just ask you could the new yorker reported today that mr snowden has claimed that he alerted more than 10 officials at the n.s.a. about what he discovered and yet he has not provided any support for this claim why is that let's mr assad's just notice discretion he's written of all i not but what the why not say that provide the proof and say i did try to solve this internally before i leaked or he did do. and what you're asking is why hasn't snow disclosed all right. full disclosure must i can't. you know that's at the discretion of mr snowden or is
under legal advice particular. so again there's no need significant disclosures oh you know his history. and the circumstances he was in the cia are and his reasons for hating the soviets. at this point this is as far as you know snowden's comfortable squashed disclosing an hour i'm sure. if they decide to move. this here let me ask you we all know that every snowden lives right now in russia in his book he writes that when he arrived in russia he was met by what he had seemed russian secret service agents who told him that a man in his situation could use some friends how can the world be sure that russia has not used your client or accessed classified information via him how can we know oh for 1st of all mr snowden didn't bring any
classified information with him when he left on call and that's that's a public record. and i was there. i was let mr money left therefore. it was not entering it and any any date or information any date information have already been asked to journalists. again which is a public record and any other game you know was actually did you know destroyed discarded and destroyed. and in terms of. now is a row russia. oh of course the government you know our general security. approach. article. is. but. there. was also.
and no discussion. to rush. rush or any time they're not. mr unfortunately we're out of time robert the attorney for us was a blower edward snowden mr turner we appreciate your time and your insights and answers tonight thank you very much. oil prices soared today the 1st reaction on markets following 2 drone attacks on saudi arabian oil facilities over the weekend the strikes cripple saudi arabia's productions which means overnight a gloom a drop in global crude output by 5 percent today u.s. president trump hinted at a military retaliation the u.s. and saudi arabia they have blamed iran for the strikes but have not provided proof who the rebels in yemen say they were responsible. yes.
and the attacks in saudi arabia were the result of this 5 year war against defenseless people which is the root of the regions and security. investigation is continuing and all evidence and indications of other weapons used in the terrorist attacks came from iran. all right are these drone attacks enough to ignite a military conflict to talk about that i'm joined here at the big table by a middle east analyst mark hughes marcus it's good to see you again saudi arabia now saying that the weapons in those attacks came from iran how credible do you think that claim is the claim isn't credible until the point that saudi arabia puts proof on the table that they actually didn't come from yemen as the who theists claim but that they came from iran or another country in the region which is not
yemen but until that point it's pure speculation to say it did not come from yemen so what we're looking for is hard for on the table for the world to see that's what we need the saudis will have a visit from the united states from the secretary of state pump alle the saudis have asked for u.n. investigations which is a rare thing remember a year ago john. was killed in the stumble in the saudi consulate there and the saudis didn't want any cooperation of any kind with international organizations so maybe they have proof but we don't know yet you know it's interesting how the response is dramatically different from the death of mr. shogi i'd like to talk about the falwell from these drone attacks in just a moment but 1st we've got a report on how drawings were used to cripple soldi arabian oil production take a look. these oil tanks are exhibit a as the world tries to assess who was
responsible for attacks on saudi facilities they show almost identical impact points which u.s. officials say indicate a high degree of sophistication in the attack houthi rebels in saudi arabia its neighbor yemen and nationally seem to take responsibility they've been fighting the saudis and their proxy forces for years in yemen civil war. but some analysts doubt whether the rebels could have launched drones or missiles that could hit the saudi tanks yemen is also to the south of the saudi refineries the impact site suggest an attack from the north or northwest the direction of iraq and the who are these strong backers iran secretary of state mike pompei o. said the u.s. would make sure quote iran is held accountable for its aggression and his boss president donald trump took to twitter to threaten those responsible he tweeted there is reason to believe that we know the culprit we are locked and loaded depending on verification but are waiting to hear from the kingdom. but iran
deflected blame. we reject these types of statements and projections. the islamic republic of iran has clearly declared that it supports the people of yemen and their rights but to accuse the islamic republic of iran with these attacks and defensive measures is in line with the united states maximum falshood policy they've adopted after their own failures has. oil prices spiked as traders start to take account of saudi arabia's seeming inability to defend its crucial oil infrastructure and governments including germany's have condemned the attack but it's unclear what the long term picture looks like everything depends on what the us and other players do next to calm or aggravate the situation in one of the world's most volatile regions. no i mean it's a region that is even more volatile tonight it when you consider you've got iranian sabur rattling in the strait of hormuz you've got the failed state that we call
libya and the problems there. you've got these latest drone attacks all of these things coming together are probably going they're not going away and now we're looking at higher oil prices so we're talking about the global economy now cannot escape the middle east jube agree with that statement it's back to the middle east crisis which we know from the seventy's from the ninety's where the oil price plays a big role and you've mentioned iran and the united states which i've been to many proxy wars in the region and now the spillover of the yemen war into saudi territory in this dimension definitely has a lot of potential for the escalation and things of change that quickly you know last week we were talking about a possible breakthrough and. forbes in time for asian relations between iran and the united states there was talk about rouhani and trump maybe meeting at the u.n. general assembly later this month there was talk the u.s.
president even easing sanctions on iran john bolton was fired as his national security advisor all that happened last week and now we have these attacks and it's changed everything what do you make of that. let's see what's going to happen next week in new york you never know but from you see the iranians in a weak position which could use the fact that the world markets need more oil and which they could use to jump in which is not likely with trump but i think there is still the possibility of not complete escalation but to to get both sides close on the table because don't forget the iranian foreign minister was at the g 8 summit in france yes france is a player which is not to be forgotten and maybe france could use its contacts in iran to find a settlement which is not a complete military usually that is happening before there is a full fledged military conflict happening president tom tonight said that he has
time that they have a lot of time and i think to bring in the u.n. to look for thorough investigations into this case is the time which the u.s. has if at the end of this investigations they find out that there is clear evidence that this was an iranian attack all things on the table as drums that writes middle east analyst a man whose dickel is always markers we appreciate your insights thank you very much thank you. well the day is almost done the conversation continues online you'll find us on twitter either at u.w. news or you can follow me a print golf convenient or gets you through the hash tag of the day when he writes you may remember whatever happens between now and then tomorrow is another day we'll see you get a. doozy
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