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own whistle blower blowing the lid off america's secret surveillance what edward snowden did forever changed our world including his own for 6 years he's lived in exile in russia and now as his new book goes on sale edward snowden is preparing to move tonight i'll ask his attorney will snowden ever be able to go home or will it have to be germany where he writes his next chapter i'm brick off in berlin this is the day. ultimately i will suffer whatever the consequences are of my choices with mr snowden should returns united states in face the serious crimes that with which he's been charged all of these things are being tracked perceptive. they're being indexed into a sort of surveillance tongue they want to whom your phone instead of you know i don't thing mr snowden was
a patriot i believe the statements like that they said this was to free press it was was the crimes that he's accused of committing are serious unfortunately if it turns out that not all the statements that were made for us what would you would find children what should they do if they want to ensure that internet will never be used against them to learn magic and. also coming up the drone attacks that crippled saudi arabia's oil production whose the rebels in yemen say they did it the u.s. is blaming iran accusations aplenty what's missing is that for. at the moment with still assessing what happened and who is responsible for the attacks once this is being stamped least we will discuss with our partners how to proceed new responsible men and we hope to be united international response to these from the tank. let's see our viewers on p.b.s.
in the united states and all around the world welcome but we begin the day with whistleblower edward snowden his new book and his not so new wish to go home in 2013 snowden became a household name around the world when he smuggled top secret computer files from the us government and leaked them to reporters how and why he did that is not what you're really learned in his new book permanent record goes on sale tomorrow and it is more about edward snowden the boy the gamer the young man and less about snowden the whistleblower thing traitor some say the patriot say others snowden does not give a lot of insight into his life in russia either where he has lived in exile for 6 years in a moment i'll speak with his lawyer about snowden's wish to go home but 1st how a u.s. whistleblower ended up one of russia's most famous residents if we do
now perhaps forever because we want to remember who we are no longer allow. to get help and create that system. richard graham these are the words edward snowden chose to promote his memoir us permanent record . in 2013 snowden was working as a contractor for the n.s.a. the national security agency in interviews he said he became disillusioned with the work and had ethical concerns with the massive government surveillance programs he was working on. later that year snowden stole a trove of classified documents from the n.s.a. and leaked them to international journalists this was later dramatized in the film
snowden. by the time the 1st articles based on the files were published snowden had fled to hong kong. the leaked information revealed how governments were using the online lives and devices of ordinary citizens to track listen to and take a video of them they could also read emails and text messages and it wasn't just used to catch the bad guys. they're using these here will be used intentionally to storm the public of vital embarrassing story by this i mean they're using the tools of mass surveillance not to find terrorists but to find the sources of journalists . journalists who have written stories that were embarrassing to the government but his adversaries claim that he recklessly dumped classified files which had consequences like disclosing military secrets to america's enemies my case since the revelations this was node and has been living in exile in russia the u.s.
wants him extradited on espionage charges. as we believe that under any circumstances mr snowden should return to the united states and face the serious crimes that with which he has been charged we believe that he should. return to united states and face them rather than seeking refuge in the arms of an adversary of the united states that has their own strategic interest in disseminating harmful . for disseminating information in a harmful way snowden denies having collaborated with the russian government he now has a russian residency permits until 2020 and lives at an undisclosed address in moscow . well a man who has been connected to snowden from the beginning of this story joins me tonight robert to voe is snowden's lawyer and he is one of the people that snowden credits with saving his life mr devoe joins me tonight from the city of howell facts in nova scotia canada mr tabor welcome to the day i want to ask you for
a belt something that snowden said earlier today on the u.s. network c.b.s. . he said that the publication of his new book is leaving germany in france to ask should we give snowden asylum is this new book is it part of your client's plan to ask for asylum here in germany well just to clarify in in 2013 when mr snowden departed from on call and in transit through moscow he stopped. short he had to apply for asylum in about 21 countries around the world of a mountain state in terms one of them. and france was one of them and also asylum requests were rejected. at this time has just made one particular person about 2 fronts. and in terms of germany. mr
snowden. has made it very clear oh. no i think if he's given the opportunity he would he would like to he can generally live in germany now understanding. mr snowden hostile and home on german soil. and. so as it stands then tonight mr snowden has asked for asylum in france and there is no asylum request that has gone out to germany as of yet correct as far as i'm aware that's ok. the suggestion that snowden could leave russia and live here in europe i mean it's not news 4 years ago i asked snowden about reports that germany could suffer geopolitically if it crossed the u.s.
by granting him asylum here is what he told me that germany is for all intents and purposes the leader of the are. there events democracy they're strong atlanta they're strong economy and they have a quite well established tradition of defending individual rights but do you not think it were that they would be germany the leaders of germany do you not think that they fear that there would be real and serious consequences for for the government and for the security of germany if they did if they were to grant you a song i don't think so now i'm sure they've been that's been communicated through both official channels and unofficial channels but i mean these are separate politicians we're talking about and merkel she's not some some new person who's never seen this kind of international. image of the german chancellor angela merkel
i mean she's due to step down in 2021 so there would be time if he wanted to contact someone in her government is it just the the asylum law that is getting in the way or is it because of the political sentiment in the country. well it's a combination of both. angela merkel. in terms of. our government. is quite clear logically. her government's not comfortable. landing on german. soil. we. another german and. another. clearly mr snowden's take the situation the german government like any other government. and even what how our. invite to germany and i
and what's been expressed doubts i'm sure. that if he does. yes to. the ganges that he would not be arrested that he would not face extradition proceedings the united states extradition. and that he people to remain in germany as resident. so there are ways to come into germany. and simply quote. what this miracle in our state which doesn't. own a will to do it but almost what you're saying here he would also require germany to violate the extradition agreement that it has with the united states. we know that snowden wants to go home to the united states but if that is not possible europe does seem to be his best alternative i want you to take
a listen to what members of the european parliament have been say. recent scandals such as decent gate locks leaks the bundle up papers or cambridge i don't know if you do not have come to light without the coverage of missile blowers. we now have a manual for lawful whistle blowing i think it was time for us to develop it. now and. she done if mr snowden had to be in european he would not be exiled in a little dutch in moscow. a little dutch in moscow i mean mr de do you agree with those members of parliament here in europe that snowden would have been treated differently had he been a european whistleblower instead of an american one. there are many case rests on its own facts. us national money going to be there the geopolitical. i guess conflict.
between germany. is mr snow on. your tree clearly. if you don't you're just because he i'm one he would have rights to enter into the european union adventure. or nationality. that he'd. no more significant rights than as an american. for example in moscow an extradition issue but as an american you are right europe again. legally. in very difficult situation it's what applied for requests extradition and political again with the current administration on it. so it appears yes she would be treated.
this year. this year the european union lawmakers here they agreed on the whistleblower directive which protects whistleblowers may say was inspired by. your client this law reads if the whistleblower could not find suitable internal reporting channels he or she can contact the relevant authorities or even go public did mr snowden did he trying to find suitable contacts inside the in this way before he leaked classified material. yes he did and there's. just such a fact. mr snow didn't reach oh he didn't say go charlie the u.s. government. then the n.s.a. . and you know trusting the situation. and at the same time
those internal mechanisms. well so-called. are not the conditions that. i'm heart scribe of the united nations in a special tomorrow on counterterrorism and human rights are. described in a newspaper you mentioned also in 2008 some united states. thing letter. as a that would provide protection to mr snowden 2nd insurance route it was a war zone that states some rich russians and those who try and case after case you've seen how. and the best example is i don't know the obama and the destruction there's never been more whistleblowers charged or prosecuted or. instructions than in all u.s.
history well mr to. know if if i could let me just ask you the new yorker reported today that mr snowden has claimed that he alerted more than 10 officials at the n.s.a. about what he discovered and yet he has not provided any support for this claim why is that well since dinner and supper snowden's discussion he's written of i not but what but why not say one that provide the proof and say i did trying to solve this internally before i leaked or he did do. and what you're asking is why hasn't snow disclosed all right. full disclosure must i can't. you know that said the discretion of mr snowden's under legal advice particular falls. so again she. made significant disclosures about you know his history. and the circumstances he
was in the cia or and his reasons for hating the soviets. at this point this is as far as you know snowden's comfortable disclosing on our show. you may decide to move. this if you let me ask you we all know that every snowden lives right now in russia in his book he writes that when he arrived in russia he was met by but he seemed russian secret service agents who told him that a man in his situation could use some friends how can the world be sure that russia has not used your client or accessed classified information via him how can we know oh for small mr snowden didn't bring any classified information with him when he left on call and that's that's a public record. and i was there. i was with mr money all of.
it was not entering it and any any date or information any date information we've already been asked to journalists. again which is a. and any other game you know was actually did you know destroy discarded and destroy. and in terms of. now is russia. oh of course the government now for channel security. approach. is. but. there. was also a. discussion not. to. rush or any time. ok mr lee we're out of time robert
the attorney for us was a blower edward snowden mr jaber we appreciate your time and your insights and answers tonight thank you very much. oil prices soared today the 1st reaction on markets following 2 drone attacks on saudi arabian oil facilities over the weekend the strikes cripple saudi arabia's productions which means overnight a a drop in global crude output by 5 percent today u.s. president trump hinted at a military retaliation the u.s. and saudi arabia they have blamed iran for the strikes but have not provided proof who the rebels in yemen say they were responsible. yes. and the attacks in saudi arabia were the result of this 5 year war against
defenseless people which is the root of the regions and security. investigation is continuing and all evidence and indications of other weapons used in the terrorist attacks came from iran. all right are these drone attacks enough to ignite a military conflict to talk about that i'm joined here at the big table by a middle east analyst mark hughes marcus it's good to see you again saudi arabia now saying that the weapons in those attacks came from iran how credible do you think that claim is the claim isn't credible until the point that saudi arabia puts proof on the table that they actually didn't come from yemen as the who theists claim but that they came from iran or another country in the region which is not yemen but until that point it's pure speculation to say it did not come from yemen so what we're looking for is hard for of on the table for the world to see that's
what we need the saudis will have a visit from the united states from the secretary of state pump alle the saudis have asked for u.n. investigations which is a rare thing remember a year ago john. was killed in the stumble in the saudi consulate there and the saudis didn't want any cooperation of any kind with international organizations so maybe they have proof but we don't know yet you know it's interesting how the response is dramatically different from the death of mr. shogi i'd like to talk about the fall well from these drone attacks in just a moment but 1st we've got a report on how drones were used to cripple soldi arabian oil production take a look. these oil tanks are exhibit a as the world tries to assess who was responsible for attacks on saudi facilities they show almost identical impact points which u.s. officials say indicate a high degree of sophistication in the attack. rebels in saudi arabia's neighbor
yemen and nationally seem to take responsibility they've been fighting the saudis and their proxy forces for years in yemen civil war. but some analysts doubt whether the rebels could have launched drones or missiles that could hit the saudi tanks yemen is also to the south of the saudi refineries the impact site suggest an attack from the north or northwest the direction of iraq and the who are these strong backers iran secretary of state mike pompei o. said the u.s. would make sure quote iran is held accountable for its aggression and his boss president donald trump took to twitter to threaten those responsible he tweeted there is reason to believe that we know the culprit we are locked and loaded depending on verification but are waiting to hear from the kingdom. but iran deflected blame. we reject reste types of statements and projections. views limit republic of iran has clearly declared that it supports the people of yemen and
their rights but to accuse the islamic republic of iran with these attacks and defensive measures is in line with the united states maximum falshood policy they've adopted after their own failures. oil prices spiked as traders start to take account of saudi arabia's seeming inability to defend its crucial oil infrastructure and governments including germany's have condemned the attack but it's unclear what the long term picture looks like everything depends on what the us and other players do next to calm or aggravate the situation in one of the world's most volatile regions. no i mean it's a region that is even more volatile deny it when you consider you've got iranian sabur rattling in the strait of hormuz you've got the failed state that we call libya and the problems there. you've got these latest drone attacks all of these
things coming together are probably go are not going away and now we're looking at higher oil prices so we're talking about the global economy now cannot escape the middle east jube agree with that statement it's back to the middle east crisis which we know from the seventy's from the ninety's where the oil price plays a big role and you've mentioned iran and the united states which are into many proxy wars in the region and now the spillover of the yemen war into saudi territory in this dimension definitely has a lot of potential for the escalation and things have changed quickly in the last week we were talking about a possible breakthrough and. in the frozen times phrase in relations between iran and the united states there was talk about rouhani and maybe meeting at the u.n. general assembly later this month there was talk the u.s. president even easing sanctions on iran john bolton was fired as his national security adviser all that happened last week and now we have these attacks and he's
changed everything what do you make of that. let's see what's going to happen next week in new york you never know with trump you see the iranians in a weak position which could use the fact that the world markets need more oil and which they could use to jump in which is not likely with trump but i think there is still the possibility of not complete escalation but to get both sides close on the table because don't forget the iranian foreign minister was at the g 8 summit in france yes france is a player which is not to be forgotten and maybe france could use its contacts in iran to find a settlement which is not a complete minitel you see usually that is happening before there is a full fledged military conflict happening president tom tonight said that he has time that they have a lot of time and i think to bring in the u.n. to look for a thorough investigations into this case is the time which the u.s. has if at the end of this investigations they find out that there is clear evidence
that this was an iranian attack all things on the table as drums that writes middle east analyst a man whose pickle is always markers we appreciate your insights thank you very much thank you. well the day is almost done the conversation continues online you'll find us on twitter either d.w. news or you can follow me a print off t.v. and the forgets to include the hash tag of the day when you write to me remember whatever happens between now and then tomorrow is another day we'll see you the next.
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