tv Lou Dobbs Tonight FOX Business September 1, 2013 8:00pm-9:01pm EDT
we're on root every weekday 3:0 to 6:00 p.m. eastern time. we'll have another great show for you next week on fox business, and in the meantime, i hope you'll tune in on good evening, everybody. thank you so much for being with us tonight. i'm laura rothman sitting in for lou dobbs. president obama spoke with thousands of marchers on the national mall exactly 50 years to the day after martin luther king jr. delivered his i have a dream speech. >> to dismiss, the mag nigh tuesday of this progress, to suggest as some suggest that little has changed. that is the courage and the
sacrifice of those who paid the price to march in those years. but we wouldn't dishonor those heroes as well, to suggest that the work of this nation is somehow complete. >> president obama also calling on americans to address the great unfinished business of economicopportunity. joining me now is angela mccullian. welcome to both o you. >> thank you for have having us. >> your impressions? >> 50 years ago, god spoke to america through a man. the baton has been passed to a new generation. not just a man, but a new generation and challenge all of us to do something to get back to a dream, to push past being democrat or republican, red state, blue state, but we're all
americans and there was a message for america today and i think the important thing, angela, 50 years ago, the president of the united states hid in the white house and wouldn't talk to them. today,hree presidents spoke to america and two others wanted to be there but couldn't be there because of alth challenges. >> i think we have come a long way but w have a long way to go. we have equal opportunity on paper but do we have equal access? we have theirst black president and first black attorney general. i'm from mississippi and my father worked heavily to dissect regate schools in mississippi. my mother didn't have a black high school. my father had to build it. now we have education and equality. but is the a level playing field today? >> as the reverend jesse jackson pointed out today, he said that
african americans are less equal -- >> we have the first black president. but unemployment in the black community is on the increase. >> 2.6% black unemployment. versus 6.6% for whites. >> first of all, it's not just a black problem and those indices are for the black community but there are disparities in other communities, also. having said that, i think all of us have to get engaged. it's not just a government problem. onof the key points that president obama mentioned today. everybody has to get involved. when children are born out of wedlock that's not the government. some individuals need to hear what's happening at their churches. men and women need to take responsibility. in all communities. >> he's right, the reverend is right from the standpoint
govnment is supposed to protect the consumer but it's up to individual responsibility and it takes a village to raise a child and with everything's going on in a black community and other communities we all need to step up to the plate. >> any of the day's events that you found troubling? >> president obama is a great or or the and he brings people together. so, i would have to say no. i was pleased to see him speak. i think talking about voter i.d. and the problems we're having with the congress should be brought to the forefront but all need to work together in the government. >> reverend, do you agree with that? >> some have tried to ho generalied the moment and talk about the "speech." the speech was apex moment but
it was written in blood. so, four days later, four girls were blown up in a church. >> in alabama. >> not talk about the economics that were tied to the speech. itwas for jobs a freedom. >> the martin luther king jr. speech was a catalyst to a greater movement. but we still have a war on poverty. we had the lbj with the great society, but the great society has been lost. when we have people living on t government doles. >> tis was an honor to speak with you both. >> he died in memphis, mrching with sanitation workers. fast-food workers will be striking for living wage and thank you so much to both of you.
pentagon officials say that the u.s. is planning to hit assad with a strike. the goal of downgrading, weakening his power. it could have unintended consequences. here's a report on how possible strike could unfold. as the obama administration weighs its response to syria's alged use of chemical weapons the state department acknowledged the risks. >> there are a variety of
factors that go into that. deternation. possible and unintended consequences. possible effects in the region. all of that is part of the big picture that we look at. >> reporter: among the examples the president's response of the bombs in kenya and tan zahn ya. this pharmaceuticalactory in sudan believed to have produced chemical weapons were bombed in retaliation. with hind sight, the clinton's missile strikes strengthened the qaeda. >> you'reoing to use limited military power in order to send a signal. in this case, it was that al qaeda will not be allowed to threaten the united states. while the immeeiateaftermath is that the organization actually becomes em bolden.
>> after the bombing of this disco in 2006, two dead were u.s. servicemen. with the evidence pointing to the former libyan dictator moammar gadhafi, president reagan launched strikes. >> if necessary, we shall do it again. >> reporter: two years later, libyan agent bombed pan am flight 213 over lockerbie, scotland. >> it almost certainly risk causing more harm than good. we see that in our current situation in syria. >> reporter: no question that the u. military can pull off a limited stre that the short-term sat faction can ofte% be outweighed by long term. >> thank you, katherine.
for more, we welcome lieutenant colonel bill cowan. lonel, thank you so much for joining us. i want to begin with the breaking news. >> he doesn't expect a longterm colict in syria, he's not authorized any engagement as of yet. he does that response from the president satisfy you to the reoning behind the u.s. involvement in syria? >> well, i have to say, that having watched f news and fox business over the last 2 1/2 days and seen many of my contemporaries and certainly some of our experts in that region, talk about this, you can see that our ideas, our opinions, our analysis, our recommendations really vary from one end of the spectrum to the other. i think the one issue that we always struggle with it, what is the desired outcome? if it's destabilize assad a
little bit, a limited strike may not work. if it's to hurt him badly, then we reaten retaliation from iran and hezbollah and probably verbal retaliation. there's no easy answers to what we're facing here. this goes back to the president a year ago,hey're drawing a red line in the sand without believing that he'll have to act on that red line. i'm very concerned that we're going to do something that we get blowback on unless we do something very, very moderate. >>is there any situation, this crisis two years in, enormous casualties in syria as you know, can end well? >> no. that's the optimum question. here's what i think the problem is, we the united states failed to step up when the resistance starting putting itself together.
we failed to pick out those members of the resistance like the free syrian army, who share our values, willing to have peace with israel and really wanted democracy, and while we failed to support them, hard-core islamist groups moved in. al qaeel qaeda as we should knon there very strongly. and the saudis i bieve are supporting the wrong people. have this resistance that are very tough. when assad falls and the resistance takes over, it's not going to be a resistance. we fail to get involved early on when we should have. we're going to pay the consequences. >> what the's likelihood we'll pay those consequences alone? russia opposes getting involved in syria.
if my they want to strike back, i think they will. also doing s some things agains the united states interest and other places around the world. those present bigger problems for us. not only military and diplomatic interest but commercial interests as well. >> thank you so much,colonel bill cowan. the situation in syria moving closer to engagement. after the u.s. claims the assad regime did cross the president's red line on chemal weapons. the a-team tells us why the u.s. might act now. ♪ nascar is about excitement. but tracking all the action and hearing everything from our marketing partners, the media and millions of fans on social media can be a challenge. that's why we partnered with hp to build the new nascar fan and media engagement center. hp's technology helps us turn millions of tweets,
in military court today, sentencing major nidal hassan to death. the death sentence is something that the american-born muslim wanted. as he believes that it puts him on a path to martyrdom. we have the latest. good evening, casey. >> good evening to you. a few tears in that courtroom today from family members when
that sentence was handed down. hasan showed no emotion. he sat there emotionless and stared down. this was a victy for a lot of people, specifically the family members for those killed at this texas army post. it was about them and it was about finally getting some closure four years after this shooting. people like the mother of specialist jason hunt, he was 22 years old, he was married for 2 1/2 months. until nidal hasan walked in and gunned him down. >> nidal hasan is a coward and repep ent murderer. >> he will be transferred to the military death row.
he'll join the five other condemned soldiers there until his automatic appeals process plays out. hasan didn't request that. it's simply a formality. the nearly $300,000 he's earned whe in confinement could wind up one day going to the family members through civil proceedings that are likely to follow now this conviction and now that this sentence has been handed down. >> casey, thank you. so george zimmern's wife pleading guilty to a misdemeanor perjur perjury. she told the judge they had little funds when they reportedly received $100,000 fm internet donors. she'll have to serve 100 hours of community and one year probation.
let's get to the a team. judith miller, saana jackson. let's talk about syria first, because we just heard from the president about an hour or so ago, saying that he's not authorized a strike in syria as of yet, but if we do engage syria it won't be a long-term conflict and it will serve as a quote, shot across the bow" to deter the use of chemical weapons. judith, are you satisfied with that reasoning? >> i think he's now signaled personally to do something to make good on his red line commitment a year ago. you know, he really had to do something and the thinking is this in the white house, if you don't do something, iran may very well think it could develop a nuclear weapons without
consequences. but it can't be a long-term engagement if it starts soon. because the president has to go next week to russia for his summit meeting and it would be a little awkward sitting down with the man who says we won't tolerate any military action against syria. >> your comments? >> i'm afraid of unilateral actions. i think we have to have a multilateral approach i don't want to see another iraq and that what concerns me and 60% of americans have said we don't want any entry into this kind of conflict and we need to know what the endgame is. >> we're war-weary. >> i know i am. >> some e saying we're being pressured by our allies to get involved. we don't want to go at it alone at the same time? >> we have a kind -- the president's people are talking about a coalition of the
willing, ban ki-moon at the u.n. said, wait a minute, what's the rush? we need four more days to determine whether or not chemicals were really used by the experts on the ground. so, you know, the president has a lot of competing pressures, including people here, who say, why are we going to do something that's just a shot across the bow and not something that's going to accomplish something that he wants. >> and four days is not enough time for the kind of conflict that we ter into, this is a lo long-term conflict. what a remarkable day. let's talk about the march on washington, 50 years ago since the famous, i have a dream speech. your thoughts? >> i think it's impornt to remember that this was a great day. this was unlike 50 years ago, we had a demonstration. this was a celebration. this was a commemoration and i want us to look back to 1963 and
even to 1983 when we had the 20th anniversary because we had real goals, lifting the minimum wage, that was a fight. d.c. statehood, that was a fight. they even wanted to get this -- they said, look, we'll shut down the american school systems if it's not desegregated by the end of the year. i mean, they had some real stated goals. that's what i want to see. >> what was your takeaway? was it meani iningful to you, j? >> it was. the first black american president was standing there on this anniversary giving that speech, never mind a man who's just a very, powerful orator and a man who spoke about the need of mobilization. it didn't divide. i brought us together.
>> one of the things that raised eyebrows was a t-shirt that, i believe, we have a picture, it said trayvon martin luther king jr.? >> wow. what do you make of it, is that offensive or meaningful? >> i think it's meaningful. i don't think it was meant to be offensive. reverend dr. martin luther king jr. was a controversialfigure. in fact, they put him at the end of the march because he was so controversl. because he focused on poverty not on the middle class. does that sound familiar? when i see that kind of photograph, when i see that t-shirt and i see all of the different signs, i think people went there to express themselves. >> we'll have to leave it there, ladies. thank you so much for your insight. great to see both of you. up next the obama administration says any action
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for more on the potential military strike against syria i'm pleased to be joined by general thomas mcinnerney, fox news military analyst. welcome to you, general. >> thank you. >> what is your take on the u.s.'s endgame in syria? >> i don't think we have an endgame. who are we supporting? i don't think we know what rebels we're supporting are the right ones. right now, they're talking about general who backed the muslim brotherhood. then, what are those objectives,
are we trying to take out chemical weapons, their surface-to-air missile sites? we don't know and then we don't have an exit strategy, so that's why it's confusing and i do not have any enthusiasm for this, because we're not asking and getting the answers to the right questions. >> let's begin with the discussion on the two sides in syria, general, you've got, really a question of there is alesser of two evils. is there alesser of two evils? >> yes. i believe in those rebels there's a much larger group. the al qaeda radical group is about 20,000. the free syrian army of more secular muslims is about
100,000. they are under colonel raid. now, the larger group takes over i think we have a much better country than if the smaller group tries to take over and clearly compared to bashar al assad, he's not good but i do think there's a good option but the administration hasn't announced publicly and i know because my co-author on my book "endgame" it was there all weekend and he was there with colonel raid, so he knows those people and he just got back this morning from syria and turkey, so i feel very comfortable that source is a good source. >> the president today, as you know, assured americans that this engagement would not be to change the regime, it would solely be about the chemical weapons that were deployed.
we hrd the report the boots on the ground could ultimately cause more casualties if you 31 blow up those chemicals. so, what do you think the possibility of or the likelihood is of just going in there and removing the chemical weapons, because that, again, is what the president claims crossed the red line and the game-changer? >> that's a grea question. i don't think that will happen because that will mean boots on the ground. we don't have ammunition just to destroy those chemical weapons, so you have the danger of it spreading and greater problem. there's no question that we could take this regime down, we1 have proven that in both iraq and afghanistan, what we haven't proven is, once you take, take it down, then you go to nation-building and the one
thing that we have proven those muslim countries don't want to be jeffersonian democracies. they'll take our money as long as it's coming. we don't win their hearts and minds and they go back to the very tolltearian-type soeties that exist. i'm not a fan of an outcome that gives us radical islamist nation. >> what is the likelihood of that appening? was the chemical weapons use an effort to engage us in a prolong ed situatn? >> that's another great question. this is speculation. i think he's starting to win now. and he felt by using the chemical weapons and he looks at
the u.s. as effectiveless, the administration all words, they don't walk the walk. he feels that if he humiliates us and we don't do anything, he has the momentum on his side and i think he felt that he was at the tipping point and that's why he did. otherwise, he could kill that many people in a week without bringing in the united states, and the u.n. and nato forces. but there had to be rationale to do it. it doesn't make any sense. >> absolutely not. many thanks to you, general thomas mcinnerney. up next -- the prosecutions of christian why it has nothing to do with race or nationality, the author the boys used double miles from their capital one venture card to fly home for the big family reunion.
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. christians the subject of persecution and attacks across the middle east. the latest in egypt. churches burned and looted. a brand-new book exposing the new war on christians. raymond ibrahim joins us. how widespread is it? >> it's immensely rampant, not just in the middle east, it's essentially in theentire islamic world. from arab world to morocco, to philippin philippines, to sudan, uganda, even in eure, where there are areas of heavily muslim populations. in the book, i go into the ways of including attacks on churches
in egypt in just the last few weeks, as much as 80 christian churches and other christian organizations have been attacked, torched, burned. christians are in hiding. including the continuic pope himself. that's happening all over the islamic world. it's not being mentioned. >> so, raymond, i know this isn't the most elegant way to ask this question, throughout the history, weren't the christians doing the persecuting, why have the tables turned? >> i appreciate what you're saying and what you're reflecting is basically the orthodox narrative of history. which unfortunately has nothing to do with reality. the arab world, were part of the century.n world in the seventh in fact, they made up half of what then the christian world.
th has gone on for centuries and then they went into the ottoman empire came into tury. went into the palkans and greece. the fact is, the people with who have persecuted have long continuity and history. it's not taught any longer. >> why is that? why does the western media, western academia is indifferent to the plight of christians? >> there's a sort of, you know, ingrained bias against christians in the media. in academia. whereas christians are the historical persecutes. and you take the other fact the people who are persecuting them left and right aren't muslims. they don fit the main stream
paradigm. nations that don't share anything, not race, economic -- >> you go so far as to suggest that it's enabling it? >> in the sense, especially in the guise of the so-called arab springs which has prove on the be a disaster, t obama administration has been very supportive of the islamist organizations like the muslim brotherhood. once they come to power we have seen a huge nose-dive of christians in these christians. several churches have been attacked and bombed. nuns have been attacked and kicked out of the country.
under morsi more than 100 were attacked. 30 years of mubarak none of that really happened. in syria, the people that we're defending and talking about their human rights are in fact violating the human rights of christia and nonmuslims and in fact there's good evidence if you ask other people, the people on the ground using chemicals are the syrian-linked jihadists. >> thank you, raymond ibrahim. the book is on sale now. thank you, again. up next -- russia and china warn presidnt obama about jumping into the syrian civil war. the a team takes up the international
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joining me now the lou dobbs tonight a-team. welcome to both of you. i want to bbgin with the fox news poll how involved the u.s. should be in syria. should we get out completely 44%. john, to you first, what should the u.s. engagement looks like? >> it shouldn't be a minute. president obama campaigned in 2008 we should only intervened overseas, where american vital interests were at stake.
apparently the president doesn't want to consult congress. i think if the president wants to retaliate against syria, he doesn't have to do it in the next 72 hours, he can take some time, declassify the information that shows syria the only one supposedly with chemica weapons. consult congress. there's nothing wrong with president obama doing what candidate obama said he would do in 2008. >> this is not about regime change the chemical weapons use crossed the red line, how do you see the situation between u.s. and syria unfolding here and address john's point that many sides are closing in with our allies domestically in the united states. >> there's a big difference between a strike and a war.
when it comes to the category of chemical weapons. when innocent civilians are slaughtered by weapons. people in this country and our allies are compelled to act. we'll have the british with us and the french with us. if that's all we have that is plenty. when something like that happened you have to respond. i and many other americans are tired the wars, of military intervention because the two wars president bush dragg us into unnecessarily. we have to take a stand. others will stand with us. others who don't that speaks volume of them. >> john. >> first of l, chemical weapons have been used before in syria and nothi was done. the president's credibility is on the line and that's why i think he's trying to act. if syria responds to our attack by having their friends in
hezbollah or the other terrorist groups launch a terrorist attack against the united states, the strike will become a war. >> let's not forget. what you're referring to is the fact that the syria, saying that syria is simply a approximaty state for iran with a nuclear weapon program. >> if you're going to respond to this chemical attack you don't have to do it immediately. you should line up support and consult with congress. candidate obama said he should do that. >> candidate obama is completely different than president obama in this case. >> there's a special congress that we're dealing with right now that has the lowest popularity rating. >> a special congress? >> and republicans who overwhelmly would oppose taking any action. the president of the united states can't be handcuffed by the same republicans that holding the rest of the country
hostage on every other law. >> when the president went to congress over iraq intervention, democrats controlled congress up to that debate. that was a special congress, too. >> that was looking for political cover. what president bush was clearly looking for political cover he got it. so many of those people who voted for the war regret it. in this case you have republicans in the congress who have absolutely no credibility on most issues let alone this issue. the president should do the right thing when chemical weapons are slaughtering innocent men, women and children. that should be done. >> that's a tough issue. we certainly thank you for your take. and up next, forget baseball, it's football that's america's game, why isthere booming industry bent on destroying the support?
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football is america's game. and a booming business has developed around our nation's most popular sport. the national football league is $9 billion industry. while college programs generate an $25 million a year revenue. our nex guest says that the sport is under assault. m daniel flynn the author on war on football, saving america's game. how can these lawyers and doctors do this, sure people get injured playing football, get injured a whole lot of other ways, too, right? >> what a lot of people don't understand 10% of the players suing the nfl never played a down in an official nfl game.
these are guys who got cut in the preseason games, like we'll see tonight and tomorrow night, for me, it's hard to believe that guys who played in pop warner, high school and college, the idea they had a cup of coffee in the nfl and they're going to sue and sayheir brain damage occurred there, it's hard for me to believe, the guys who played in the strike in 1997, backup quarterbacks and kickers, they surd this brain injury, the ironic thing is, they're hurting every league they're not suing. youth football was 6%. if they go down 6 .. they're not going to last. >> that's such an important thing. i'm thinking, when you say it's easy, it's hard for these people toelieve that suing the nfl is going to have -- it's easy to understand that because it's such a massive revenue generator. when it comes to pop warner and the kids then you have a
problem. so, what do you think should happen? >> well, i think there are a lot of parents that think they'r signing their kids up for brain damage because of this lawsuit and when in reality they're signing them up for football and football is a great game and it's also a safer game, football is safer than it's ever been. in 1960s it was normal for 25, 30 players to die from football hits. last year, we had two players die from football hits out of 4 million and none them were kids. more kids last year died getting struck by lightning on american football fields than died by getting hit by other players. >> you have aaron hernandez, you have michael vick. you know, all of these high-profile players, again, in the nfl, but they're kind of giving a bad name, they're really marring the reputation of the sport, you know.
>> they really are and i think football, even more so than the athletic health benefits you get from playing the game, there's a character-building element. you get knocked down and then you have a choice to whether get back up and fight or stay on the ground. you prepare for game day. not, you know, not on game day but during practice week, during the off-season. football is a lot like life. unfortunately, there are these unsavory characrs like aaron hernandez and other guys who have gone on crime sprees. there's 2500 players in the nfl. >> i mean, the super bowl is virtually a national holiday. i have so many girlfriends whose husbands are obsessed with this fantasy leagues, they're widows on football sundays. it's a fascinating thesis you
bring forward, daniel. >> appreciate it. >> daniel flynn is the author of "the war on football." all right, that does it. thank you for watching. appreciated. >> detroit isow the largest u.s. city to file for bankruptcy it cannot match it -- manages self. >>ere at the end of the road. we can borrow any mor money. john: detro was -- now in such a wreck. >> for $1,500 you could buy this house. john: for years politicians promised that they would fix detroit. >> detroit show again become the great city that is its destiny. john: instead. >> they turned city hall into a den of bribes and kickbacks making themselves rich. john: is there hope for places like detroit? >> it will turn around the city of detroit. >> the motor city. this is will we