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>> back to the future. good morning. a shake-up in the gop race for the white house. hi, everyone. i'm maria bartiromo. welcome to "sunday morning futures." ted cruz overtakes donald trump in iowa in a new fox news poll this morning. our panel on what it could mean for the first in the nation caucuses and beyond. investigations continuing this morning to piece together the digital trail left by the san bernardino terrorists. what changes could we see when it comes to fighting terror online? a member of the house intelligence committee joins us to inform in a moment. and new efforts to bring peace to the country where isis has so much power. syria. a former middle eastern ambassador on that as we look ahead this morning on "sunday morning futures."
fbi divers wrapping up an underwater search for a computer hard drive this morning. and anything else linked to the husband and wife shooters who killed 14 people in california. an fbi spokesperson saying a search of the lake in san bernardino came to a close yesterday. no word on whether any items recovered from the lake are related to the shooting. investigators have said that the killers tried covering up their tracks by destroying e-mails, cell phones, and other items at their home in redlands. the search of that lake began after a tip that the shooters may have been in the area the day of the attack. so what could come from the dig digital forensic investigation. g joining us is chris stewart, former air force bomber pilot. thank you for joining us. >> good morning. it is a pleasure. >> what struck you most about the forensics investigation in terms of what the divers and fbi have found so far?
>> well, i think there is a couple of things. one is that we recognize the forensic division there at quantico, the fbi does extraordinary work. now, they can't create something out of thin air. but a lot of times we felt like evidence had been damaged or destroyed to the point we didn't think they would be able to recover information and they ended up being able to do that. now, much more difficult if you don't have access to that equipment. which is why it was so important that the divers find whatever might be there. i think we'll learn more as time goes by very clearly. but i would also like to say this, as we go back and try to re-create what happened in this situation, i would like to go back and re-create and try to analyze and say have we learned lessons in a more strategic view, has the president engaged in this fight against isis, this fight against islamic terrorism, in a way that we feel is necessary to protect our country. i hope we're asking those types of questions as well. >> which is why everyone is focusing on the visa part of the story and the fact that the wife malik was here on this fiancee
visa and what kind of further vetting needs to be done to anyone coming into the country, whether it is a fiancee visa, the refugee crisis or anything else. what changes would you like to see in that regard? >> i think there is a couple. number one, we're going to look much more closely at the fiancee visas. she had posted things on her social media that had we known about, it would have raised enormous red flags for us. and i think we need to look at that, not only in the fiancee visas, but in all of the visa programs that we're looking at. i think what congress did in the last few weeks, looking at the syrian refugee program, i think that's also another necessary step. but the reality is we have a huge challenge ahead of us. >> i want to ask you about what has been real important to lindsey graham, senator graham saying if we learn this was an arranged marriage by terrorists, and they were able to get a
jihadi bride to marry an american, they have totally figured out a new way to enter this country. he says that's a game changer. talk about that coming up, sir. stay with us. a lot to talk about with you this morning. want to learn about the potential new clues in san bernardino. let's look at how the role of technology in terrorism is gaining this new attention this morning. fox news' senior correspondent eric shawn on that angle this morning. good morning to you. >> good morning, maria. good morning, everyone. as we now sadly know, the battlefield against radical islamic terrorism is here on our soil. not just in the public places, patrolled by police, but also in our own homes, right there, on our computers. >> we got to start looking at facebook accounts, at computers. we have to listen to phone calls if anyone comes from the countries, in the middle east. we do it in israel. >> the clues were there, but sadly they were missed. the focus to find more terrorists turns to the internet and the challenge for authorities is piercing those
encrepted websites that terrorists can use to communicate frequently, like snapchat and what's app. >> i think it's still too early to make any grand pronouncements about what could have been done differently to prevent this terrorist attack from occurring. but this investigation is ongoing. >> well, one thing they should have done differently, just take a look at social media. as congressman stewart pointed out, for years tashfeen malik posted openly on social media that she supported jihad, but her postings were never flagged by our government. >> i've been seeing isis accounts online talking about this for a long time. this isn't something that just happened yesterday. the fact we're talking about this now and even talking about this for so long is really very shocking. >> and this past week, fbi director james comey admitted terrorists are outpacing law enforcement's efforts to catch them when it comes to communicating on the internet. something tashfeen malik and
syed farook did apparently for years. >> they were radicalized before they started courting or dating each other online and online as late as -- as early as the end of 2013 they were talking to each other about jihad and martyrdom, before they became engaged and married and lived together in the united states. >> not only did tashfeen rely on social media, but her sister posted comments on facebook, having done that on the anniversary of 9/11, next to the photo of one of the planes crashing into the world trade center. >> unbelievable. thanks so much. eric shawn with the latest. more now with chris stewart. let me pick up right there, how is it possible we're not looking the social media sites? here we are having a conversation that lawmakers want more access and want to change this encrypted communication they can't learn anything, meanwhile they're not even looking at facebook. she's been chanting and posting
negative hate posts for a long time. >> yeah. you know, it is remarkable we didn't catch that. i think it is an indicator of the challenge we have. there is literally millions of these processes we have to go through as these individuals enter our country. but it seems to me this is just, you know, nearly unfathomable she was posting these things, and that the same time we didn't catch any of that. there is legislation before congress now and i actually think this is broadly supported by partisan that would allow it can companies that if they become aware of some postings, if they become aware of terrorist activity or terrorist intent, that they would then let the officials know about that, that they would, you know, be -- we're not asking them to be the police, not asking them to be the fbi, if in the course of their transactions and business they become aware, that they would notify us, i think that's helpful. again, i think that's broadly supported. >> what about the lindsey graham comment if it was an arranged
marriage by isis or by terrorists in general then this is a game changer? do you agree with that? what do we know in terms of how these two got together? >> i guess a game changer but not the only game changer. i think the thing we have been talking about over last few weeks, with the syrian refugees, isis says clearly they intend to use this refugee program to infiltrate the west and to infiltrate the united states. and in fact not only have they declared that intention, they were successful in doing that in the paris attacks. and i just think the -- the congress was effective and we did the thing we thought was necessary, and that was to put a halt on that program until we can certify the people coming for this very troubled part of the world, that we know who they are. that we know their background, their intention, their work history, travel history. we don't know any of that right now. i think it was a reasonable step to say, let's pause this program until we know a little bit more about who these individuals are. i think one other thing that i
would love to talk about, that's the encryption and the real challenge that that has. director comey will tell you in the next four or five years, we may be completely dark as these organizations and these terror groups move towards encryption programs that we simply don't have the ability to penetrate. >> yeah. sounds like you agree with donald trump's stance on just taking a pause and fixing the vetting process, and, by the way, it sounds like many of the candidates actually agree with him in so many words. may not be saying it exactly the way he said it, but they're basically saying, let's take a pause here, and figure this out. and certainly investigate the vetting process. >> well, there is an important distinction. the republican congress led out on this, let's pause with the syrian refugee program. but mr. trump took it one step further and said, let's not allow any muslims to come into the country and i certainly don't agree with that. i just think he's wrong on that. i don't think we can apply a religious test. i don't think we can say that
someone is a muslim, therefore they have evil intention, and we will not allow them into the can country. i do believe that is a step too far. >> all right, congressman, good to have you on the program. thank you for your insight this morning, sir. >> thank you so much. >> we'll see you soon. president obama taking stock of his isis strategy meanwhile in a meeting with his top military leaders tomorrow at the pentagon. what is working, what isn't? we'll talk with former u.s. ambassador to saudi arabia robert jordan ahead of that important meeting tomorrow. follow us on twitte twitter @mariabartiromo, @sunday futures. what would you like to hear from ambassador jordan next? he's with us. we're looking ahead on "sunday morning futures" right now. some cash back cards love to overcomplicate things. like limiting where you earn bonus cash back. why put up with that? but the quicksilver card from capital one
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the commander in chief holding a rare meeting at the pentagon with military leaders tomorrow. hoping to find ways to make the administration's anti-isis campaign, air strikes in iraq and syria, more effective. will it be enough to achieve his promised goal of destroying the radical islamic terrorist group. joining us now is ambassador robert jordan, the former u.s. ambassador to saudi arabia under president george w. bush, the author of the book desert diplomat inside saudi arabia following 9/11 and a diplomat in residence at southern methodist university. good to have you on the program. welcome. >> good morning. >> what are you expecting to come out of the meeting tomorrow at the pentagon? obviously a rare meeting for the president to go to the pentagon for this. >> i hope it is a time when the president does more listening than talking. he needs to listen to the generals, he needs to listen to his military advisers and i think they're going to be telling him that you can't defeat isis with air power alone. you have to have some form of boots on the ground. doesn't have to be 150,000 american troops.
but it has to be sufficient to be able to hold territory that you can take away from isis as you employ your use of force. i think this is something he's going to have to listen to and maybe unwelcome bit of advice, but i think he's going to have to follow through on this. it is time to get serious. >> he's been so adamant on this point. what would be an appropriate number of troops, do you believe, to have on the ground to assist or support what is already in place and that is the air power campaign that we have got? >> sure. i'm no expert in this area. but certainly the sources that i consult suggest that it certainly has to be more than 2,000 or 3,000, somewhere in the 12,000 range is what i think i'm seeing here. so whatever it is, it has to be based on the military leaders' judgments, their assessments of troop levels, and also has to be as many sunni contributors as we
can possibly muster together. doesn't always have to be americans. i think this is an area where we have had a lack of support from our arab allies in the region. >> unfortunately our arab allies are apparently upset by a number of moves that this president has made. assess for us the importance of removing bashar al assad from syria. clearly this is one of the main conflicts because russia and vladimir putin, which pushed us away in syria with the air strikes, or got in the way, is supporting assad. >> yeah. it is extremely important fact that assad be removed. whether it is tomorrow or six months down the line, there has to be a plan for that to be accomplished. his presence there and his brutalization of his own people is providing the oxygen for isis and the other insurgent groups that are trying to really tear up the entire middle east. we have to take that oxygen away. we have got to find a way for
some vision forward for the people of syria in a way that can be realistic. >> and a number of experts have said that in fact isis has created what they're calling an oil ministry. they have such a clear and strong oil infrastructure in place. how is it possible that nations like, for example, saudi arabia, can sit back and allow isis to have this booming business of selling oil and who is buying it? is it assad buying it in syria, among others? >> we had reports that assad has been buying it in syria. we had reports there are brokers on the black market, selling it into turkey at huge discounts. so this is an area, i think, the saudis should have an interest in, a lot of the -- a lot of the infrastructure for this program can be taken care of with air power. but i'm surprised that we haven't done more up to this point and i suspect that's another thing that will be discussed in the pentagon. >> so in other words the allies
should be bombing the oil facilities. and we know for the most part where they are. >> we know where they are, we also can track the transportation of that oil. whether it is by pipeline or truck. and i think this is another area where we're probably going to be attacking some of that infrastructure. >> right. real quick, from your standpoint, what would be the most important agreement to come out of that meeting tomorrow at the pentagon? >> a recognition that you can't win this war with air power alone and a plan to put some american and some allied boots on the ground to hold the territory that you're going to take away from isis. >> well, we'll see about that. good to have you on the program this morning. thanks so much. >> ambassador jordan joining us there. traveling around the holidays, what about terrorism as it relates to travel? marriott set to become the largest hotel chain in the world. what it will mean for rewards members and jobs. we're looking ahead on "sunday morning futures" next.
jobs have been increasing in hospitality and leisure and a big deal in the sector as well. joining us to talk about all the activity in the hotel business is arnie sorenson, the ceo and president of marriott international. arnie, good to see you. thank you for joining us. >> glad to be with you, maria. good morning. >> we did see an increase in the number of jobs created in your industry in the last jobs report. let me start there. how would you characterize the economy right now and jobs, opportunities, within the hotel business? >> well, it is steady, really. i think when you look at the broad sweep of the recovery from 2010, what we see is gdp growth more modest than prior recoverrirecove recoveries. it is enough to drive occupancy growth in our industry and some supply growth in our industry, both which drive job increases.
we think that's going to keep going. >> and in the face of this, you're growing, the company is growing. you recently announced this acquisition to acquire starwood for $12.2 billion. let's talk about that for a minute. marriott becomes the largest hotel company in the world, correct? >> yeah, we do. i mean, obviously we're glad to be biggest, but we want to be best too and that's more important. >> how do you do that? tell us what the positives are for this deal? what does it mean post deal? marriott and starwood getting together? >> well, we'll be about 1.1 million open hotel rooms, we'll have a pipeline of 350,000 rooms for signed deals which will be opening in the next few years. between those two, almost to 1.5 million rooms. 30 brands in 100 countries. we will be very strong in the luxury and upscale space. we'll have w and we'll have some brands which really are exciting and appeal to lots and lots of
travelers. i think more important than that, though, is the size will give us the ability to continue to invest in our ecosystem. think about the marriotts reward program and spg program, two of the strongest loyalty programs in the hotel business. we think we can make them stronger by aligning them together and drive better benefits to our folks that ties them more tightly to us. >> in terms of cost savings, the talk is $200 million in cost savings a year by the time, you know, in the next couple of years, once this is closing. what does that mean in terms of job cuts and do you expect that that's going to be the kind of cost savings you can get by integrating these two companys? >> well, we think so. the starwood has been spending something like 400 to $450 million a year in overhead. that's really not property level jobs, which is where the bulk of the jobs are. you get to hotels, i don't think they'll be significant job impacts, maybe zero job impacts across the world.
when you start to get above property and the closer you get to the executive suite inn, their headquarters or the two company headquarters, the more you see head to head overlap. we don't need two ceos, don't need two general councils, don't need two board of directors. i think we'll see cost savings at higher end of the structure. >> there was some talk that a chinese company wanted to acquire starwood. we all talked about it. that china was in the running, they were going to acquire starwood. did u.s. regulators come over to you and say, hey, marriott, get in the game here, we want a domestic company to acquire starwood, not a chinese company? >> i smile because i wonder if the world ever worked that way. it doesn't work that way. of course, we don't know who the other bidders were for starwood. we were, of course, encouraged by them to believe that there were many, and that they were very aggressive in their offers. they wanted to do that obviously
to get as attractive a deal as they could from us. and so we don't really know to what extent the chinese ever seriously looked at ed ed ed e. we had the best bid. >> how is the business sector doing? business travel? what you expecting for 2016? >> i think business travel is going to continue to be steady. i think there you do have anxiety in the market, obviously. which you cover every day. and you see volatility in the market, you see folks focus on areas for anxiety and uncertainty. depending on whether or not that actually impacts business, you will see business either step up or potentially step down a little bit. i would say today that the anxiety today is more than it was last fall to the extent that has some influence on the way corporate customers book for next year. we can see how that plays out. but, still, when you look at
corporate profits, look at gdp growth, the balance of decisions that need to be made in that space i think will be positive. we'll have a steady state, midsingle digit growth next year. >> that makes sense, given the state of the world with terrorism and uncertainties about jobs. arnie, good to have you on the program. thanks so much. >> glad to be. nice to see you. >> congrats to you, arnie sorenson. >> so far donald trump and senator ted cruz have avoided bashing one another. but a surge in the polls could change that. up next, we'll take a look at the latest polls and political panel gives their take as we look ahead on "sunday morning futures." we'll be right back.
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america's news headquarters, i'm eric shawn. here are some stories making headlines at this hour. new tensions between russia and turkey after a russian destroyer fired warnings shots at a turkish fishing ship. moscow claimed the destroyer was trying to prevent a collision in the aegean sea and fired only after the crew tried radio contact, visual signals and flares to warn that turkish ship. tensions have been spiking between the two nations.
last month after turkey shot down that russian fighter jet it claimed entered turkish air space near the syrian border. world leaders praising that agreement reached in paris to tackle climate change. president obama calling the deal the chance to save the planet. the agreement wants to keep global warming from raising another degree celsius. the doctors are in, drs. siegel and samadi join us for "sunday housecall." for now, i'm eric shawn. back to "sunday morning futures" and maria. thanks, eric. good shake-up in the gop race, just seven weeks in the ca
caucuses. ted cruz overtaking donald trump for the top spot in iowa in a new pair of polls. first, the latest fox news poll has ted cruz with a two-point lead over donald trump, 28% to 26%. senator marco rubio in third place with 13% and ted cruz has a bigger lead in the des moines register poll with a ten point lead. will his new front-runner status lead to a war of words with trump. julia rogiski an adviser to frank lautenberg and fox news contributor and doug holtz aiken, the president of the american action forum. good to have you with us this morning. thank you for being here. what is your take on these new polls? you said this last week, ted cruz would be number one. >> cruz has the strongest organization, he's a very consistent conservative message,
both trump and carson, people aren't sure where they are. it is interesting, carson talked about he'll lead the republican party, just joined the republican party a year ago. nice to have. but at the end of the day, it is not like he's been around the game for a long time. people know cruz. and the interesting thing in the fox poll is he's leading among conservatives, he's leading among evangelicals, leading among tea parties. so that's what you need, plus the -- i think he'll win iowa and i think he'll win iowa going away. >> and then what? >> get momentum out of that, may not help you in new hampshire, but it will in the southern starts come march 1st. >> as the news flow continues to highlight terrorism and this national security fear that people have, julie, it goes right into ted cruz's wheel house. >> you would think, except if you look at the polls, people in south carolina, republicans think donald trump is the expert to prevent terrorism from coming to our shores, which i think for those of us who know and follow donald trump's career has no
base niis in fact. but he seems to have the advantage if you're a sitting senator like ted cruz or rand paul or all the others you may have different philosophies as to how to get there but at least you've been in the game. donald trump has not been and he has the advantage which shows the massive disparity between reality and -- >> he's talking tough. >> i guess that's what it takes. i would think it takes more but others may disagree. >> i think the development is the des moines poll. it has proven to be the accurate polling and that lead is really important. other people thought it wasn't going to happen. that really got my attention. >> and why is iowa so important? what does iowa tell us about the general election? >> the interesting thing about iowa, and i -- no disrespect to iowans, coldest winter and summer, it is a bellwether and you get a lot of publicity. the difference is the publicity
of this campaign, trump gained so far, really overshadowed anything. and iowa used to be several weeks before that new hampshire. this time, four or five shows the next day, that's no big deal for trump or anybody else. i think then you go quickly on to new hampshire and new hampshire is a different ballpark. my sense would be some momentum, going to knock some people out and at the end of the day, three or four have been in the race will stay in the race. >> the first three are always interesting. iowa and new hampshire completely different places. and the wild card in south carolina this time, really is lindsey graham, running for president, their own senator with an exclusively national security message, nothing else, if he can ding up any of the leaders, really complicatess go states. >> he's not doing well in his own state. >> that's true. >> and you have donald trump leading far and away in places like south carolina, where somebody like ted cruz you would think would do well with evangelical message, not doing as well as donald trump, who, by the way, attacked ted cruz for
not being evangelical. i challenge him to come up with a couple of scripture quotes but i don't think he's able to do that. but when he's backed into a corner what is interesting to watch, how far he'll go, and he's going right to -- as karl rove said, about going after john kerry, going to the strongest asset you have, ted cruz. >> there is a tendency to shift quick in the end. the iowa poll is very accurate. i think it is very trending at this point in time. but i watched these things switch in last 48 hours, i watched new hampshire in last 48 hours and south carolina is about momentum and my sense it is about time we get to that place. >> let me show you the other poll, that is fox news poll that asks the question, gop voters want to know, who on that stage will be able to beat hillary who is most likely to beat hillary clinton? trump comes up at 32% followed by ted cruz at 18%. what do you think about that? >> long ways to go.
at the end of the day here, hillary, obviously, has a free ride, she'll have a free ride to the end. it depends how strong the candidates are when they get the nomination. >> free ride meaning -- >> not being challenged. >> not being challenged. >> look, the polls are fairly tight in iowa and new hampshire. what happens if she doesn't come up as strongly as people suspect. >> you're not betting any money. >> i'm betting zero money. in 2008, she was up by 18 points nationally, back in 2008, anything could happen. >> she does create problems for herself. >> i'll no longer bet money on anybody. >> if you ask the democrats who are they afraid of, that's not their list. their list starts with marco rubio. >> we'll talk about the democratic side of the race coming up. let's check in with howie kurtz. good morning to you. >> good morning to you, maria. we'll look at the media just
going nuclear against donald trump over his muslim comments, not just commentators on the right as well as the left, but some journalists who are crossing the line to take on trump in describing him as dangerous, racist and all of that. laura ingraham, our special guest, she says the democratic establishment, the republican establishment and the media establishment have all failed and that has created a void for trump. that's one of the reasons he's doing so well. >> see you in 20 minutes. media reaction has been sharp and aggressive. we'll come back to that. more on the race for the white house and hillary clinton's lead over bernie sanders in a new fox news poll. we're looking ahead on "sunday morning futures," our panel returns in moments. if a denture were to be
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more from our panel on the race for the white house. a new fox news poll, want to show you, this is a democrat in the caucus goers, democratic caucus goers in iowa showing hillary clinton with a 50 to 36% lead over senators bernie sanders, former maryland governor martin o'malley a distant third, with ed rollins, julie roziski. anything strikes you about these numbers? >> the only thing that strikes me is the longer donald trump continues to suck the energy out of anybody else, it helps people like hillary clinton. she's got full name recognition. people are not focusing on her shortcomings. if you're martin o'malley, bernie sanders, you're trying to get media attention as you saw sanders complaining about. all we're talking about is donald trump, which helps hillary clinton. she can thank him directly for that. >> it is unbelievable that donald trump has been so smart in that regard. anything he says forces all of the candidates to respond to it.
anything he says dominates the news headlines. and it is all about trump, all the time. >> look at just the president's speech last sunday night, no play the next day, didn't say much. and donald trump's muslim thing dominated the mainstream media. the thing i would say about this, i would be concerned, she's running as an incumbent president for all practical purposes and 41% of democrats aren't there for her at this point in time in iowa. i think this still is some doubt. you're the democrat. >> you also know, these are people you have to motivate and c caucus. iowa is strange, especially for democrats. i predict democratic outcome fairly well, much better than republicans do. i would suspect those numbers maintain and thanks to donald trump i think they will and she'll be in good shape. >> what do you think? >> i think she'll not repeat the mistake in 2007, don't pay enough attention in iowa, don't have the ground game, they have been in iowa for a long time,
she'll do much better this time around. >> in the general election, how you to see it plan out? >> look, she is the nominee. i don't see any way around it. i don't know who the republican nominee is, but it is not donnell trump. so -- >> you don't think it is donald trump? >> no, i don't see that happening. >> the numbers are the numbers then. >> the numbers are the numbers, the numbers are the numbers today and polls reflect a place in time. long ways to go in this campaign. i think it is either rubio or cruz are the two potentials that i see at this point in time. no one knows what kind of candidates they're going to be. both strong candidates in their states. they're young. most people don't know who they are. republicans -- establishment won't be any more happy with cruz than trump. but cruz is a far more effective candidate and conservatives across the country know who he is and like him and will be energized by him. >> those two have been very successful in the debates. come in the with game plan, disciplined. that speaks well for the kind of
candidates they could become. >> cruz is trying to soften his strategy. we had his wife on, heidi cruz, on the morning show on the fox business network and she basically talked about him having been very principled, so i'm just saying, he's trying to pull the curtain back on -- >> also very smart. you cannot underestimate his brain power. >> you do have the problem and you know this better than anybody else of plenty of people in the republican establishment loathing ted cruz. if you're mccain, what do you do? >> senate colleague say, he must not have played team sports as a child. it is an issue. >> my counter to that is republicans with john mccain and with mitt romney, a lot of conservatives thought they were not viable candidates. they're going to get a viable conservative if you -- we'll see what that does. >> just unexpected. careful what you wish for, my
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after this investigation has made more progress in terms of the actual case, the actual investigation into this act of terrorism, that we may ask congress for some additional assistance in reforming the program that allowed the female terrorist into the united states, but there's still more information that needs to be learned. on that, i want to bring back our panel. what kind of changes could we see? >> first this should be the priority of the next congress, and they should sit down and say what kell we do? what's acceptable to both sides and let's get on with it? >> this should be -- if you step back there are two big-pictures miscalculations that have been made. number one, we assumed that isis
was only interested in holding a territory in the middle east. and we've already had a system build on family reunification, refugee status, that has what has revealed? vulnerabilities. it remains unfixed in all these years. >> what nobody seems to be focused on is the fact that her husband was an american-born citizen. as a result, how do you stop people like that? i always feel like we're very reactive. nobody focuses on the underlying problem. we obviously have radicalized citizens, and and this visa example has taken the eye off the ball for having that debate. >> we are a nation of great freedoms and our constitution gives us those things, but at the same time we're a nation that's at risk, and i think there's going to be more and
more activity. they make for pretext this is how they're going to attack us. >> which leads me to my next question, which is this whole lindsey graham idea, if we learning this marriage was arranged by a terrorist, they have figured out a completely new way to get into the united states, by getting women to radicalize and get them to become jihadi brides and marry american citizens. do you agree that's a game changer, if this is what we learn? >> i definitely think it's a game changer. really it's not just women marrying men, a lot of men come here and marry women. >> but again, what's interesting is she wasn't necessary to the enterprise. she helped, but it's not like had she not been able to come here, this man couldn't have carried it off by himself. that's the issue nobody wants to talk about. >> but i think in the end we'll find out she was the catalyst. >> but the 9/11 commission said
here's all the problems in our intelligence, we have they stove pipes and gaps, 15 years later we still have them. i don't know how much of a game changer any single incident is going to be. >> what about the idea that the friend, the guy who actually bought the two guns said there are sleeper cells all over l.a., and these people are just waiting for direction. the most important question i think at this point is, are there sleeper cells in america where there are terrorists waiting for direction? >> there are, and law enforcement people in l.a. told me we were fortunate, san bernardino was much better prepared to deal with something like this, they have an excellent chief of police. if this could have happened in l.a., they never could have dealt with it the say way. >> because of sleeper cells? >> because of the size. >> and are they american citizens? in which kay it becomes a whole different debate and we're focused on the refugee issue,
are we not focused on people who are here and entitled tore here constitutionally? >> i think that's the real gamer. if they're already in the country, whether american or foreigners or whomever. >> think about it, this is the issue of being very reactive. if you roll the clock back a year, you talk about how we have militarized the police, and now in this environment you'll think, maybe not? >> even right here, this city has had two extraordinary chiefs of police, ray kelly did an extraordinary job of not just fighting terrorism here, but officer in our own police department all over -- he protected it very -- he became a target in the campaign, bratton is trying to carry on, but is handicapped by a lousy mayor, and i think the premise in a city where it happened that we're basically backing off. we need to support them. >> people calling that the
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fund-raising. >> you agree with that? >> i do. thanks so much for joining us. see el tomorrow on fox business network. good evening, everybody. i'm lou dobbs. the republican establishment appears ready to risk turning the gop presidential primary contest wrup side down and upset millions and millions of republican voters while the holy alliance attacks donald trump's candidacy and his campaign. in doing so will frustrate the american public. least those that support trump for president. the gop elites have simply lost their minds if the washington post reporting is accurate. "the post" reports that more than 20 top republican officials and leading figures in the