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[laughter] this is the best way to get around. david: i love that secret servicefy kind of standing there. that does it for us. hope you have better luck at turnstiles. deirdre bolton and "risk & reward" starts right now. >> this is copy of my republican party registration. and, republican party, take note. i think you're going to see a whole lot more of these. i've been republican all my life. but i will never be a republican again. deirdre: colorado voters rebelling. one man even burning his registration card, you just saw that. after the state's republican committee agreed to have delegates pick candidate as opposed to the people. this is "risk & reward." i'm deirdre bolton. there are two sides to the colorado delegate haul. one side says colorado's
decision puts the nomination in the hands of party insiders and activists. the other side says state guidelines were put in place last year. while they may be complicated, they were made public to every single campaign team. donald trump says the system is crooked. here he is is on fox news earlier. >> the people out there are going crazy, you know, in denver area and colorado itself. they're going absolutely crazy because they weren't given a vote. this was given by politicians this is crooked deal. that is not the way democracy is supposed to work. they offer them trips. they offer them all sorts of things. you're allowed to do that i mean you're allowed to offer trips and you can buy all these votes. what kind of system is this? i'm an outsider and i came into the system and i'm winning votes by millions of votes but the system is rigged. it's crooked. this was political hack deal like so so much of our country s all about, i guess. deirdre: some strategist's say
trump team did not understand the rules, commit resources, as senator cruz did, had his team in colorado for months. we have former massachusetts senator scott brown, welcome back. love having you here. >> thank you. deirdre: my take is the colorado rules were fair and square. a lot of people don't like trump. so he has to run a tighter, less flawed campaign because it was complicated, than ted cruz. is that a fair assessment? >> yeah, i think that is a fair assessment, first of all, why is it complicated? either you get the people of colorado to vote, i was there a couple weeks ago, with just some family stuff, they were all excited to be a part of the process a lot of individual colorado voters had no clue. they thought they would be part of this great opportunity to vote. deirdre: i think what i mean by that, senator, trump team made seems like beginner mistakes on the ground. voter cards, here are delegates
should support trump. they spelled a few names wrong or contact numbers were wrong. seems like beginner's mistakes which only underlines for better or worse he is not, trump is not seasoned politician. >> right, we know he is not aziz son the politician. that is attractiveness of him. i was going to continue on, that being said the rules have been out there. he should have had a team on the ground. if it is going to be rigged system you have to play in the rigged system by filing a lawsuit or going whatever you're going to try to do after the fact it is too late. so i would have recommended, have recommended you have to be playing ball right now. he should be in california right now with a team to make sure this doesn't happen in closed primary process in california as well. deirdre: some say, wyoming as well. this is part of why insiders say donald trump did go and hire paul manafort, in that he will have this ground game that can compete with cruz's ground game. i want to ask you about a
comment that manafort made. we'll listen and ask you for your take. >> not my tile. it is not donald trump's style. but. >> but it is ted cruz's style. that is going to wear thin very fast. >> you think he is threatening delegates? >> he is threatening -- you go to these county conventions and see the gestapo tactics. scorch the earth. >> gestapo tactics? that is strong word. >> we'll be filing several protests reality they're not playing by the rules. deirdre: so, senator, first and foremost what do you make of that language? you heard reaction there. that is a strong term. >> sure. i don't agree with that language. politics i will say is blood sport. i lived it. i have done 19 races. i know how to get down and battle for those votes. you have to be able to get a team in, where the election is happening, you have to figure out what the rules are and you have to go get them. and until the process changes, these are the rules. so, what i am recommending, what others have recommended is, i'm glad he hired somebody who is
really expert on this, get ready not only for these remaining battles but the battle on the delegate floor. as you know what you saw in colorado, is going to be an extension what you will probably see in cleveland. deirdre: for certain, if not, as you mentioned, been mentioning in states before that. i want to bring in a comment though from ted cruz's team. here it is. >> he seized upon is when people vote against him, they're stealing the election. [laughter] it's a really odd notion. what is this democracy of which you speak? [laughter]. wait, wait, you mean voters get to vote? no, no. "the new york times" told donald he gets to be president. [laughter]. actually to be fair, they said he gets to be the republican nominee and then hand the election to hillary. deirdre: so, senator cruz obviously taking advantage where he can. i know you back trump but you
also have said senator cruz is a good candidate? >> yeah. listen, of course, i think remaining three, 17 have been great candidates. i still believe every single one of them would make a better president than hillary or bernie. what i said -- people said, donald can't win, you have to vote for me. i hate ted's condescending comments. the process is convoluted and unfair in many instances. you have the elite, inside baseball folks kind of hijacking, trying to hijack this election but if in fact, people said two words by the way, deirdre, will in fact unite the republican party. you know what they are? deirdre: let me hear. >> hillary clinton. hillary clinton. that will unite the republican party. notwithstanding all the rancor and all the animosity. if she sis, and i believe ultimately appear any has a major fight, fight at convention
the nominee. we have a choice, i said this before. is it behind ted, great if i'm there. behind donald, i'm there? some white knight coming in? that is where i draw the line. on that issue, ted and donald will right the rules to make sure 40-b stays in effect so you can't have white knight. deirdre: no kasich, no ryan. >> he has no chance. they have got no chance. they will keep 40-b in place. deirdre: so you mentioned hillary clinton. bernie sanders. we want to tell people, a member of the cruz campaign, they will be with us momentarily but we're representing everyone. this message of outsiders sticking together, this is a message from donald trump sympathizing with senator sanders, you just called this, senator brown, in a similar situation with delegates. >> they weren't given a vote. this was given by politicians. it's a crooked deal. i see it. and i see it, honestly i see it with bernie too. that is not the way democracy is supposed to work.
what kind of system is this? i'm an outsider, i came into the system and i am winning by millions of votes. it is crooked. i'm not a fan of bernie. every time i turn on your show, bernie wins, bernie wins, bernie wins, but bernie is not winning. it's a rigged system. deirdre: mirror image, if you take a look. senator sanders won in wyoming this weekend, 12% margin, beating hillary clinton 56-44. caucus calculus, and a familiar theme, senator sanders is going to split wyoming's 14 pledged delegates, 7-7. sanders won popular vote, clinton wins the state because of four superdelegates who had already pledged their support to her. sum total, she gets 11, sanders gets 7. >> unbelievable. deirdre: this system seems as if on both sides is breaking? >> well, let's have a little history lesson. reason they did it with the republicans to keep ron paul out. the reason they did it with
democrats, superdelegates so-called, to keep jesse jackson out. bernie, i recommend he stays in, similar to what happened with hillary clinton and barack. those super delegates will peel off if she continues to lose or fear or threat of an indictment. i think he should stay in. if you look what is happening with the republicans, that 40-b rule basically says you have to win eight states in order to be considered beyond the ballot, any ballot. that will stay in effect. they may change other rules, that will stay in effect. bernie, hillary, ted or trump. and we have a choice on the republican party. give up cabinet secretaries, ambassadors, judicial positions, opportunity for deciding vote comes vice president and changes nature of senate bill or rule? come on. let's get together to figure it out. deirdre: we haven't even talked about the seats in congress that will be up for election as well. >> right. deirdre: senator, great to have you here. thank you.
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no absolutely i would. >> absolutely i would not agree to any cia officer carrying out waterboarding. deirdre: that is cia director john brennan. he says the agency will not engage in enhanced interrogation practices which waterboarding is one. this morning on fox news trump responded. >> i think his comments are ridiculous. i mean they chop off heads and they drown people in cages with
50 in a cage and big steel, heavy cages, drop them right into the water, down people and we can't waterboard and we can't do anything, we're brining on different fields and we have a huge problem with isis which we can't beat. the reason we can't beat them we won't use strong tactics, whether it is this or other things. so, i think his comments are ridiculous. can you imagine these isis people, sitting around, eating and talking about this country won't allow waterboarding and they just chopped off 50 heads? deirdre: trump's foreign policy advisor walid phares is with me now. walid, welcome back. >> thank you. deirdre: first of all, what is your take on cia director brennan's comments? >> well he has a position under this administration. he is not going to change it. so the issue is going to be, rightnow it is a debate between heads of agencies in this administration who have the information and could have the alternatives if asked, and candidates who are still in the primaries. the real debate is going to be
when the candidate is in the white house and speaking with the agency and asking the question, is there an alternative and what is the worth of this method? so i think the debate by itself is more political than really technical. deirdre: so walid, if donald trump becomes the nominee and then president, you will be in his cabinet, he already made that clear. would you pick another cia director based on what you know about the world? >> again, it is very difficult to answer this question because we are in the primaries. let's wait to see, after that if there is nomination and only after nomination something even more important. to sit down with the administration, if we can make it there, and see what are the data they have. usually in those three to four months you would decide what kind of policy, including president obama, when he won the election. that is what he did. many of the things he spoke about, he had to look at data, then apply whatever he wanted once he was in the white house. deirdre: so, walid, you know the middle east better than almost anybody. what is the biggest piece of
information that president obama has not considered when making decisions? >> oh, that we can talk about because it is public policy. two things. number one, when he tried with his administration to reach out to the muslim brotherhood in north africa and have them as sort of an unofficial partner in egypt, libya and tunisia. that was a disaster. we saw what happened. we saw the egyptians responded and tunisias. the other is the iran deal. today we have information that the iranians are obtaining the s-300 advanced anti-aircraft missile. deirdre: from russia, yeah. >> from russia. they're not accepting to negotiate the missiles. the deal, part of that, is catastrophe because it is allowing iran to obtain the cash to buy these weapons which would deter us and future administrations. >> point well-made, unfortunately for the world. the state of play. chris wallace, grilled president obama on this theme yesterday for the way he responded to terrorism. so here is that exchange.
essentially, chris wallace was saying to president obama, just going to paraphrase, walid. we have found it. here it is. >> i think it is fair to say some of the sharpest criticism of you from both sides during your presidency has been the way, that you have responded personally, not necessarily in policy to terror attacks. after james foley beheaded you went out and played golf. after paris you said it was a setback. after san bernanadino, you talked about gun control. >> in the wake of terrorist attacks, it has been my view consistently that the job of the terrorists in their minds is to induce panic, induce fear. get societies to change who they are. and what i've tried to communicate is you can't change us. deirdre: so i heard what you said, walid, about the two biggest mistakes, trying to partner, if you like with muslim
brotherhood and make that iranian deal. but what about the tone that president obama has used? what about him saying i just want to show that life continues? >> i remember very well during his campaign in 2008 senator obama was criticizing or his campaign at least was criticizing president bush his reaction after 9/11, how he stayed in the classroom, saying come on. he should have done something else. same reaction, same criticism is coming now. let me tell you about other side. jihadists after they see one of the actions who deliver as speech, who warned them, threatened them is one thing and then if they see that everything is normal, their reaction these americans don't understand that we're winning, we're defeating them. they will continue. just actually the opposite reaction. deirdre: it is bat optics and makes it more dangerous. walid phares, thank you, foreign policy advisor to donald trump. former new york city mayor rudy giuliani said hillary clinton could be considered a
founder of the terrorist group isis due to all of her foreign policy missteps as secretary of state. on the campaign trail, her competitor sanders saying essentially the same thing. we will bring you comments. when it comes to the fbi investigation of hillary clinton's emails, president obama says he guaranties there will be no favorable political influence. the judge is with me next on whether or not there can be true neutrality in the administration >> i continue to believe that she has not jeopardized america's national security. every day you read headlines about businesses being hacked
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investigation conducted by the justice department, or the fbi, not just in this case, but in any case. >> so you heard the president there, guarantying there will be no political influence in the fbi investigation of hillary clinton's emails during her tenure as secretary of state. so the president made those comments in interview on "fox news sunday" with chris wallace. when pressed in the past, he has defended her actions. >> this is what i know. hillary clinton was outstanding secretary of state. she would never intentionally put america in any kind of jeopardy. >> our legal expert, judge andrew napolitano, with me now. judge, great to see you. >> was frowning when he said great secretary of state, worst in modern times. that is political judgment. not legal. deirdre: many people agree with you, judge for the record. can the president's tone, the fact she is he is saying that she was great secretary of state. he guaranties no influence in
her favor, is this, are these actually true statements? >> well, i don't know what is in the president's head. i do know this. the president has a conflict of interest. there are 2200 emails in the category of confidential, secret or sop secret. there are 65, secret or sop secret. 22 are top secret. four are s&p, which is highest level there is. even fbi could not look at them. who sent and received most of these? the president. do you think he wants to be on the witness stand, answering questions like, mr. president, did you know you were sending this to private server? doesn't the white house care about where your top secret information goes. you thought sending it to her at foggy bottom but not to her house at chap -- chappaqua. he is the chief law enforcement officer of land.
if he decides she will not be prosecuted, no judge can order her prosecuted. statute of limitations will not run. but if he says no, there is no way to force his hand. deirdre: so last week, when hillary clinton said there is no chance, not even a remote one of an indictment, actually want to play that, sound bite. you are saying essentially she can be so sure, because of the president? hold on. let's find that sound bite. >> i know they live in that world of fantasy and hope because they have a mess on their hands on the republican side. that is not going to happen. there is not even the remotist chance there is going to happen. >> she is foolish to make that statement. the fbi is monitoring every public statement she makes. and many fbi agents are convinced she is mocking the investigation. she doesn't take it seriously. and she continues to deserve. there is a significant chance that she will be indicted. the question is, the political will for the indictment in the white house no matter what the
president says. deirdre: because i was just going to say, your first point was that president obama is more or less protecting her? >> well, president obama is in a position to protect her. if he follows through on what he said with chris wallace and to chris wallace, for sure she will be indicted. the evidence of guilt is overwhelming. it is well-documented. it is publicly known. lawfully obtained. enough to indict and enough to convict period. the question does he want this to happen to her? does he want ramifications to the democratic party. on the other hand if the fbi presents tremendous amount of evidence to the justice department which they have done already and justice says, we can't present it to grand jury, what do you think will happen? sample indictment will be leaked. you will see resignations from fbi. and see all the evidence laid out for everybody to read. that will be watergate on president obama's hands in last seven months of his presidency which he does not want.
that might be enough to derail her candidacy. deirdre: essentially the clock is ticking? >> clock is ticking because evidence of her guilt is there for anybody to see. not much is available in the internet. it is not even secret anymore. deirdre: judge i want to switch gears with you, because "washington post" printed this opinion piece that says it is possible for president obama to appoint mayor rick garland to the supreme court if the senate does nothing. so the argument is that the senate was given a reasonable opportunity to provide advice and consent, if they failed to do so, it can be fairly deemed to wave its right. >> that directly defied by the letter and spirit of the constitution which says by and with the advice and consent of the senate. that has never happened before. i can't imagine that happening now. in fact history defies that. james madison originally wanted this waiver position, nonsense in the constitution. and the people who wrote the constitution along with madison didn't want it in there. they wanted -- deirdre: looks like there is
ambiguities. >> there is no ambiguity whatsoever in the constitution. the senate must say yes or no. if it says nothing the nominee can't go on the court. i happen to like judge garland. i think he is the most conservative nominee by a democrat since 1941, when fdr nominated his then attorney general but the senate is the deciding factor it here, not the president. certainly not the write irof this editorial which wouldn't pass an exam in the first year of law school. deirdre: we'll reach out to say the judge gives you an f. meantime -- >> i don't know who wrote it. maybe friend or ex-friend of mine. deirdre: i'm sure that is not true, judge, with your charts. judge napolitano, with us for clarity. one of the reasons we love him. there is new report that russia started delivery of new surface-to-air missiles today to iran. israel, the u.s., saudi arabia, all opposing that sale. we will ask retired lt. general
tom mcinerney how russia's economic weakness is making it more willing than ever to sell missiles. also, former new york city mayor rudy giuliani says hillary clinton's foreign policy missteps could put her in a position to be considered a cofounder of isis. tension heating up on the campaign trail. senator sanders's team essentially saying same thing. >> she helped create isis. hillary clinton could be considered a member of isis. bob... you're a young farmhand and e*trade is your cow. milk it. e*trade is all about seizing opportunity. and i quit smoking with chantix. i always came back to smoking. i was absolutely frustrated, absolutely. i did not think chantix
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i mean, hillary clinton could be considered a founding member of isis. >> how did she help -- because we have a guy, an expert coming on about isis. how did she help is? >> by being part of an administration that withdrew from iraq. deirdre: some were shocked by those comments from the former new york city mayor, rudy giuliani. now senator sanders' campaign is making similar ones. >> she supported the war in iraq, she continues to have a very, very hawkish foreign policy which has led to the rise and expansion of isis throughout the middle east. so secretary clinton has been on the wrong side of things. deirdre: with me now, former air force assistant vice chief of staff, lieutenant colonel tom mcinerney. do you agree that hillary clinton played a role in creating isis? >> i strongly agree with america's mayor, deirdre. the fact is not only did she approve the withdrawal from iraq
which was really core that made isis grow because there was no longer u.s. forces there that could take them out, she also was instrumental in the weapons that went from benghazi up to turkey, down into syria, that went to al-nusra and isis. when isis was a very small organization then, but they thought that it would aid in picking out bashar al assad. well, look what happened. that small organization called isis morphed into what it is today, and we fundamentally provided them weapons in the very early days in addition to destabilizing iraq. deirdre: and, of course, we have heard even president obama hats said, okay -- has said, okay, those missteps in libya are among my greatest regrets as i prepare to leave office. i want to ask you about another issue that many americans feel is full of regret and a bad decision. russia may have started already delivering these surface-to-air missiles to iran. so israel, the u.s., saudi
arabia all opposed that sale. and for context, iran's supreme leader recently saying those who say the future is in negotiations not in missiles are either ignorant or traitors. so what can the u.s. do now? i mean, it seems like russia would have sold these anyway, but with oil down so much in the past 12 months, there's a spirit of desperation for them to sell anything. >> exactly. but we gave them $100 billion because of the nuclear negotiations. now, i don't know if our viewers fully understand the icbms that they are testing there are only used for nuclear weapons. so when ayatollah khamenei says that our future is missiles, not negotiations, he's really saying, deirdre, that our future is nuclear weapons. because the north koreans are doing the testing for iran by money that we funded in the nuclear negotiations. and so those nuclear tests that
go off in north korea, they're iranian on receiverrers -- observers, and those weapons will be on iranian icbms in the near future. deirdre: so what can we do now, if anything? >> boy, we are between a rock and a hard place. and i think the only thing we can do is get leadership in the united states that knows how to take and destabilize that regime. we're going to have to do it and do it covertly. it's got enough challenges there. and we're going to have to do that, because all of a sudden their breakout period is going to go down to months. they will have nuclear weapons. israel and the saudis and others will be at risk as well as the united states. it's a very dangerous situation. deirdre: all right. so we cleared it and gave them the money. not exactly the track record we're looking for. retired jewish tent general -- lieutenant general, thank you, with me there. trump lighting his gop registration on fire after his
state chose to hold a convention instead of a vote. senator cruz run away with the state's 34 delegates. also, another possible vice presidential gaffe. joe biden's team pulling him out of an interview over a hillary clinton question. we'll tell you what he said after this. >> i would like to see a woman elected. >> that's it. >> no, no, no, that's all right. no, i'd like to see -- i'm not getting into that -- >> i'd like to ask one more question. >> the president and i are not going to endorse because we both when we ran said let the party decide. ♪ ♪
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for america, ted cruz supporter penny nance, is with me now -- >> thank you for having me, i appreciate it. deirdre: let's tackle those polls first. the northeast is folk to be hard for -- is going to be hard for senator cruz. >> this is something that i i'd ideologically have said, yes, because i'm in favor of the most conservative candidate that can actually win and, yes, the northeast is going to be difficult for him. but as you're seeing, he's won the last four, and his ground game is outpacing donald trump. this is where donald trump has made a judgment error. he's relied so heavily on all the earned media, and it's been good for him. he's the media darling, and we understand why. but he never built out his ground game. deirdre: on that note, colorado showed that. senator cruz got those 34 delegates, but when donald trump says the system is crooked, the system is rigged and, actually,
you have paul manafort even using terms like gestapo tactics. we actually have that sound, we can run that now? we don't have it. but, essentially, he chose to use -- >> an ugly term, which they should have walked that back, and i don't know why they haven't. but, you know, what i would say is, look, these are the rules. and, actually with, ted cruz is playing by the rules, and he outorganized. so sour grapes, you know, is crying foul. what trump should do is reorganize and actually build out his ground game. he's going to need it desperately in california where i think we're going to see ted cruz outpace him. deirdre: what we hear from supporters of everyone -- and i will say there are tons of people who back donald trump who say the system is rigged, to your point, full and fair collision closure and the party has said this, that the ground rules for colorado have been out there for about a year. they were made public to all campaigns. >> could i address one point? deirdre: of course. >> some of what i've heard is it's the party bosses.
if anybody's ever been to a tate convention or any of these local conventions, these are not party bosses. deirdre: great point. >> these are people going door to door for their candidate. these are the activists that are willing to go spend all day at these events. so i think that's just silly to claim. deirdre: okay. i like how you made that point, because it's true. when you are there and you see the grassroots politics, as you know, it's done from passion -- >> yes, it is. deirdre: not so much being manipulated. >> that's absolutely right. these are hard workers. these are the people who will go door to door with their kids in a baby stroller for their candidate. deirdre: on the other side of the aisle, vice president joe biden just getting pulled, actually, by his team from an interview. here's why. >> would you like to see us elect a -- >> i would like to see a woman elected. >> that's it. >> oh, no, no, no, that's all right. no, i'd like to -- i don't mind the problem. >> i'd like to ask one more question. >> the president and i are not going to endorse because we both
when we ran said let the party decide. deirdre: all right, so he's not going to endorse -- >> oh, joe. deirdre: but there's only one candidate -- >> this is where his default, his political correctness, they asked him, a woman -- oh, absolutely, a woman should be president. then he realized, wait, what did i just say? deirdre: he didn't, i think his team did. >> this reminded me a little bit of your own jesse waters going to vermont and saying, you know, bernie sanders has a war on women, what do you think about that? they're like, what do you mean? well, he's trying to deny a woman the white house. you know, you're right. it's political correctness run amok. deirdre: it is so good to see you, penny -- >> thank you. deirdre: she is, of course, a ted cruz supporter. we're glad to have her. donald trump not particularly pleased with the boston globe's fake front page imagining his presidency. we have his reaction and a guest who says this is an example of
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deirdre: "the boston globe" made headlines, literally. it published a mock front page of how the world would look if donald trump were elected president. so the page depicts mass deportations and a global market slump. donald trump fired back this morning. >> they don't want to see strong borders, they don't want to see all of the things that you talk about over there. you know, it used to be considered a major paper, and now it's like a supermarket throwout to.
deirdre: christopher bedford, editor-in-chief at the daily caller, is with me now. great to have you back, christopher. is this going too far? what do you make of the boston globe this weekend? >> well, trump was right, the boston globe, i grew up in boston, did used to be a major paper, but since "the new york times" bought it in the '90s, its circulation has dropped to a third of what it used to be. the last time i've even heard it come up in the news was as satire. now, at the daily caller we like to have fun too, the difference here is it's not funny. the boston globe has become a parody of itself, and they're not even making me giggle out of it. it's not a good joke. deirdre: and, i mean, i guess the point goes without saying, but they would not do this for a potential hillary clinton presidency or a potential sanders presidency. >> boston's got an interesting situation right now where both their papers, the herald and the globe, are pretty openly one's liberal, one's conservative.
i was in boston when scott brown won the senate in the special election. that was the first time i'd seen him above the fold in "the boston globe." they tried to ignore him, so, yeah, they would never do that to a democratic candidate. deirdre: as you said, you've done some satirical work, so let's hear it. what would you do if you made one for hillary clinton? >> so if we made one for hillary clinton, we'd probably have it be inauguration day 2017, live from san quentin. deirdre: nice. >> the sub headline, hillary clinton gives the oath of office from prison. it'd be good from her, you could bring in blagojevich to hang out for the party and -- deirdre: from illinois. >> that's where we would go. [laughter] what if there were a sanders presidency? >> oh, for a sanders presidency, oh, jeez. the deportations of u.s. business would given. maybe we'd just play right off the boston globe. deirdre: but you could get free ice cream from ben and jerry's, right? >> that's true. i've been there, it's good ice
cream. [laughter] deirdre: all right. as far as how you see media covering this race, what are your thoughts? >> people have given a lot of criticism to the media, and people have said we focus too much on donald trump and on bernie sanders. in my opinion, everyone's given it just the right amount of notice. this is one of the most interesting political times in memory, probably since maybe barry goldwater 50 years ago. both parties are being completely upended, and it's fascinating, and it makes for good headlines and television. we've been covering this, and i've been all right with it. deirdre: been all right with it. out of curiosity, what do you make of the fact a since you just brought up the fact that outsiders in both parties are really shaking things up, but the fact that donald trump even said, you know what? i sympathize more or less with sanders -- and, of course, that was in reference to the super delegates, and then on the republican side to what just happened this colorado. >> -- in colorado. >> i was amazed when i was in iowa, when i was in new hampshire talking to people who
said i could support trump tomorrow or maybe bernie sanders. we were trying to figure that out, why are these people in between these two candidates which are so different, and i think the reality is republicans and democrats haven't really offered a lot of alternatives for people in this country who are hurting. your walking down the streets, you're seeing junkies, you're seeing businesses leave, factories leave, and then one party's talking about marginal tax rates, and the other party's talking about gay rights and russia. and if you could see your business shut down, no one's talking to you except bernie and trump. and they're kind of coming from the heart too. deirdre: i was just going to say jobs, jobs, jobs, christopher bedford, thank you so much. >> thank you. deirdre: the cdc is sounding an alarm, the zika virus is scarier than initially thought. we will bring you the very latest. and challenge to president obama's health care overhaul, the largest u.s. health insurer, unitedhealth, is calling it quits in two states saying it is just too expensive to maintain. ♪ ♪
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deirdre: the decision from the nation's largest insurer is losing money. this company, biggest insurance company in the u.s. is saying it may lose a billion dollars over two years. 2015, 2016. $425 billion. $500 million this year. for that reason they will get out of two states, georgia and arkansas. they don't necessarily have a ton of customers in either states but they are losing a lot of money.
i was told by one analyst if they don't get premium hikes in other states they may leave others as well, so that does not bode well for obamacare. deirdre: what about consumers? this has bent problem for people. people say i have health insurance but for some people it's been debilitating payment. >> the problem is the costs are so high for consumers, even with a stipend from the federal government, they can't afford it. it's expensive in term of what you pay monthly and the deductible over the course of the year. it's been a tough nut to square. both from the regulatory side and the insurance company side. deirdre: at the moment it seems like it's hurting everybody. >> i feel like this is a disaster. big questions about whether this program can continue.
deirdre: i want to go to another health-related topic. the c -- c is warning the -- the cdc is warning the zika virus is carrier. it can cause birth defects. the cdc always says if you are thinking of becoming pregnant, you should consider this. and now there is a risk to the general population and mimic ms symptoms. premature birth, blindness for babies. originally we saw people in just 12 state might be impacted. now it's most of 30 states where the mosquitoes could carry this disease and infect people.
deirdre: mostly what we heard are people traveling south where it's warmer and always mosquito season. in forth america we have been protected because we wereth winter. -- because we were in winter. gerri: they are asking congress for $1.9 billion to rest gaig and take a look at this. it's such a serious thing they are going to go ahead -- this is scarier than we thought. i think a lot of people dismissed this out of hand. not happening in this country. we don't have to worry about it. not true now. united healthcare ending its obamacare plan in two states, and the zika virus scarier than
we first thought and no vaccine until november. "making money" with charles payne starts now. charles: today the markets were a roman candle. the dow squandered a 150-point rally. alcoa reported after the bell, it missed. establishment rules befuddling outside candidates and the will of the people. donald trump is fired up about how many delegates ted cruz received over the weekend. the gop turmoil and is all this anti-trump rhetoric helping propel hillary clinton into the