tv Risk and Reward With Deidre Bolton FOX Business April 12, 2016 5:00pm-6:01pm EDT
we're going to take our jobs back because they're going, they're going by the thousands, every single week and they're going to china and they're going to mexico and they're going to any country that touches us with a trade deal because our negotiators have no idea what so every what they're doing. okay? [cheering] so we're going to turn it around and turn it around very quickly. i just, you know, in coming up i wanted -- do you mind if i take this coat off? do you mind? [cheering] come on! there are some warm people, they're warm. they're warm. and we will not use carrier air conditioning to cool it down. because they're moving to mexico. we're not going to use them, right? not going to use them. but you know, i did some, i did
a little work in the area, and i'll tell you what. not good but it is going to be good. don't leave. don't leave. don't leave for warmer climates. you know i won florida by a lot, and i love florida. [cheering] but don't leave for florida. we're going to bring it back, don't leave, okay? but listen to this. your county has lost 60% of it is manufacturing jobs since 1980, 60%. [booing] according to the bureau of labor statistics the utica-rome region lost more than half of it is manufacturing jobs since 1990! more than half. folks, factors, nafta which as you know, voted on by a certain person that is running. we won't mention names. voted on by somebody. the asian currency manipulation
which i've been talking about for a long time but and nobody understands it by me, it is called devaluation. and china entrance into the world trade organization has been a total disaster for you and for this region. so listen to this. according to labor of bureau statistics utica-rome region lost nearly 40% of the its manufacturing jobs since 2001. what is going on? is anybody working up here? we got to change this. huh? it's terrible! [shouting] total private employment has shrunk nearly 10% in a short period of time. medium household -- this is something. median household income in new york state today is $3700 less per year than it was in 1989! inflation adjusted. [booing] folks, what the hell is going
on? [shouting] we're going to bring it back. we're going to bring it back. new york state has lost three out of four, think of that, three out of every four manufacturing jobs that existed in 1960 is gone. that is right. i agree with you. but i'm not allowed, i'm not allowed to use that term. if i used that term, dishonest press give big numbers. i can't do that. [booing] sh i will just say i agree, all right? [cheering] cruz and kasich support it. pp. and they support giving obama more trading authority. this tpp, by the way, and fast track trading is title disaster
for this -- total disaster for this area and our country and they're in favor of it and i'm against it. boy, am i right, it will make nafta look like a baby. it is worse than 1/2 taft you better make sure your politicians better not approve it. when i get in office i will get real trade deals that bring our jobs back. rely on it. rely on it. [cheering] rely on it. so, but isn't that amazing? i said give me a little information on the area. i know the area well. i thought you were doing better than that! so here's a story. i was just talking to some of the very talented reporters backstage and, you know the system, folks, is rigged. it is a rigged system. now you have to understand, i'm not complaining about the states that i won. those are okay. of which i won i think 22 and cruz won 10. did you ever hear him say, i'm
the only one, lyin' ted cruz, lyin' ted, has bible up here, puts it down. he is a liar! [shouting] oh, boy, does he lie. but the system's rigged. and i'll tell you what. when you look at colorado, people can say, well that is the way the game played. look, they should have had an election. they didn't have election. that system is set up so the crooked politicians can make sure they get somebody in that is not part of what we're doing. this is movement, folks. i'm self-funding my campaign. they hate it. they hate it. [cheering] they don't want me to self-fund my campaign. they don't want it because you know what? they're all controlled by their special interests there all controlled by their lobbyists 100%. when it comes time to make trade deals, military deals, all
deals, the lobbiest sees them, you can't do this, this guy gave awe million dollars. this guy gave you $10 million. this group or this country gave you five million dollars. okay, i won't do it. with me, they don't give me anything, folks, okay? i'm working for you. i'm working for you. [applause] so our republican system, our republican system, is absolutely rigged. it is a phony deal. now what do i know? i started running like nine month ago. who would have thought i would have been in first place? what do i know? , right? what do i know! [cheering] but i'm in first place by a lot. millions and millions of votes. that doesn't count. you notice? nobody even talks about votes. i have millions of votes more but i also have hundreds of delegates more but that is not the same thing to me. i think the vote is the thing that you count.
right? [cheering] the vote. you look at some of these systems where people that devised them this had to do with ron paul. this had to do with a whole -- they wanted to keep people out. this was a dirty trick. these are dirty tricksters. this is a dirty trick. i'll tell you what, the rnc, the republican national committee, they should be ashamed of themselves for allowing this kind of crap to happen. i can tell you that. they should be ashamed of themselves. [cheering] because it has nothing to do with the democracy. they took the votes away from the people in colorado. people are burning up their republican cards because they want to vote. and you got to see what is happening out there. it is actually a thing of beauty, if you want to know the truth because they're not going to take it. and they may, it may be shoved down their face and who knows. but you know what? they're fighting.
they're all over the place and they're angry. their votes have been taken away. we've already been disenfranchised because you look what is going on, because if you think about it, the economy is rigged, the banking system is rigged, there is a lot of things that are rigged in this world of ours. that's why a lot of you haven't had an effective wage increase in 20 years, folks. and we're going to change it. we're going to change it. [cheering] we're going to change it fast. so, i'm no fan of bernie sanders, right? believe me. [booing] we do have one thing in common. what is the one thing. we actually do, trade. he knows what being ripped off and i know we're being ripped off. we're being ripped off big league. the difference is, i will make unbelievable deals that he doesn't know what to do. he just knows we're being ripped off. but bernie sanders i will say this, for the last five weeks,
you turn on your television. sanders wins. sanders wins, again, sanders wins, like seven or eight or nine. he keeps winning. then you listen to the people and pundits they say he has no chance of winning. i say what is going on? because they have superdelegates, by the way i think republicans have a worse system than democrats. they have superdelegates, makes it impossible for a guy that wins to win. it's a crooked system, folks. it's a crooked system, it really is a crooked system. [cheering] again, i don't care who wins over there. i will take on either one of them. i sort of had my heart set on hillary to be honest with you. [cheering] and her whole life, remember this, her whole life has been one big lie! been one big lie!
[cheering] and you go back and you look at whitewater, and you look at her cattle deal. remember the cattle deal? she made highest percentage practically in the history of cattle-making. i wonder why that happened, folks? but you take a look, look at this horrible scandal with emails where she is probably being protected, probably being protected. because people that did 5% of what she did have had their lives destroyed and her life is just fine. it looks like she will be the candidate. in a way that is the one i want to run against. we'll peter so badly. we'll peter badly. [cheering] you know what, don't forget i have 17 people running against me, daddy, please be more
presidential. i said wait a minute. i've got 17 people throwing barbs at me. i have to take them out before i become presidential, don't i, right? [cheering] you know, they say be nice. we can't be nice. we have two leftovers right now. we can't be nice, we can't be nice until we win it. when i first started, jeb bush had it made. he was going to win, he was presumptive. in florida you speak about unfair, you speak about what is unfair. in florida you have 99 delegates and jeb bush had it set, jeb bush or rubio both of them, they had it set to that the winner takes everything. because they wanted to make sure that didn't get anything. and so it was all set. it was set in steel. 99 delegates. winner gets all. and then the first poll came out. trump 48, jeb 16, rubio 12. and they said, oh!
[cheering] right? they said, oh, this is terrible! we got to change it. they made a move to change it to get proportion. it was too late. no way you can do it, we put up a little bit of a raucous. i will say this, in florida it was set so that i wouldn't get it and it was set winner-take-all because the governor was going to get it, the past governor. who was pretty popular. the past governor, or the future of the republican party, which was marco, right? i, no, i want to be nice. marco. only marco. no first name. we don't do that anymore. you know why we don't do it anymore? because we won. we don't do it. it is going to be marco. who is nice guy. marco is actually a nice guy. he went a little don rickles on me but we went heavy don rickles back. but marco's a nice guy. i'm sure jeb is nice guy.
i was too busy to get to know him well. he was busy doing negative ads. $48 million worth of negative ads. remember they did florida. you remember the outcry when the first poll came out and i was close to 50 and they were in the teens. and they said, wow, what are we going to do? i ended up winning by 20 points, by, we had, it was a landslide! it was island slide! [cheering] -- a landslide. you never know about their phony rules and regulations. hopefully the rnc will get with the people. rnc has not won an important election in a long time. we had obama far too long. the last election should have been one except romney choked like a dog. he choked. i can't breathe, i can't breathe he said. romney choked. i never say anything -- rhett me tell you, jordan spieth choked a little bit, you know what he will recover. he is a great young guy. he is going to recover. romney can't recover from a
choke. that was an election that should have been won. that was an election that should have been won easily. and for the last month he disappeared. he went into a house and he just disappeared. what the hell happened to him? >> i backed mccain in all fairness had a tough time. i backed romney, you wouldn't believe this but i actually backed him. raised a lot of money for him and other things and he failed. mccain failed, romney failed. i said this time, we're going to do it ourselves, okay? [cheering] we're going to do it this way. so we'll see. but we're doing well. we won the south. in fact i think i may have to move to the south if new york doesn't treat me great. i won alabama. think of this. did you see today, we won missouri today. we won missouri. we love missouri. [cheering]
and i was a little worried about missouri because lyin' ted cruz, his top guy is from missouri. so when i won, that's right, lyin' ted. so when i won, remember with ted he comes with a bible held high, and he talks about the bible, except the evangelicals like me better than they like ted cruz because they know what they get. we're going to get strong military. we're going to take care of our vets. we're going to get protected second amendment. we're going to have strong borders. we're going to repeal obamacare. and replace it with something great! [cheering] they know. they know. by the way -- >> trump, trump, trump! [cheering]
they know. they know. they know what's going to happen. they know, we know how to win. we know how to win, folks. you know, i saw a couple of the guys that he defeated soundly and they're saying but, he won't do well in the general election. they said i wouldn't do well in the primaries too. same guys. he won't do well. now i haven't even started on hillary and my numbers are better right now than ronald reagan's numbers with jimmy carter. you know ronald reagan, who was great, he had a 30 favorability. he was behind jimmy carter by so much, everybody said, oh, this is going to be disaster. jimmy carter, i will say this, the last person that hillary wants to run against is me, i will tell you that. i know that is true. [cheering] but jimmy carter wanted to run against ronald reagan. he said please, let reagan win. he was so far behind reagan, by
the time election took place, it was big victory, he easy victory for reagan. that is what happens. you aim your fire at that person. i have only done it once for hillary. that was two months ago, right? because of that bernie did well. i was best thing that ever happened to bernie because i hit her and bill so hard, when she used that phony little thing she said, that she -- >> donald trump speaking if rome new york, taking yet another swipe at the gop establishment, saying it is a rigged system and railing against what could be a contested gop convention in july. he is speaking to supporters in rome, utica, new york. this is about four hours north of new york city. this is upstate new york. a lot of manufacturing jobs lost. he brought up those numbers to the crowd. he knows the crowd. he knew what to say to get them riled up. he also again after, he calls him lyin' ted cruz. mr. trump swinging through new york.
now upstate new york as he focuses on the new york primary which is next tuesday. all candidates, john kasich, ted cruz, donald trump, hillary clinton, bernie sanders all focusing on new york. by the way we'll say tomorrow he is going to pennsylvania. he is trending pretty well by some. numbers. this is donald trump moment, comparing mitt romney to jordan spieth when it came to sword when it comes to choking. jordan at the masters sunday and went after marco rubio and jeb bush. he broad up again the issue of trade. he says this country is being ripped off. bernie sanders at least understands that. he also i brought up the fact happened today that he won missouri. he did win missouri. he said, quote, i love missouri. but again, this is donald trump speaking in rome, new york. we wanted to update what he was saying. we'll get a response from the trump campaign, his national
spokeswoman katrina pierson to talk about the delicate controversy again, saying over and over, it is a rigged system and it doesn't matter what the american people want. it is what the gop establishment wants. they're trying to force him to the side. i don't think that is what mr. trump wants but i do want to bring in right now, by the way, good evening i'm cheryl casone. i'm in for deirdre bolton. she has the night off. i want to bring in our good friend, former governor of arkansas, and 2016 presidential candidate mike huckabee. good evening, governor. thanks for being patient as we listen to mr. trump. >> happy to be here, cheryl. thank you very much. deirdre: he did it again, governor he went after the establishment. this is the rallying cry against the establishment. will this -- >> reason they need to rethink it not just because he exposed
them but they need to rethink it if in fact all the people across the country who have gone out there campaigned, went to the polls, stood in line and voted then some party bosses upend their vote and take it away from them, there will be implosion in the gop. it will be disasterous. i don't think all the kings horses and all the kings men can put it back together again. it will be like humpy dumb at this splattered all over the cleveland streets. it is important to realize a lot of people have a vested interest in this election but they want it to be an election, not a selection of party bosses. cheryl: well he brought up the loss, governor, in colorado. that is when he really kind of started to say the system is rigged. i want to play that bite for our viewers. >> our republican system is absolutely rigged. it is a phony deal. what do i know? i started running nine months ago. who would have thought i would be in first place, right? what do i know?
what do i know? [cheering] but i'm in first place by a lot. cheryl: does he have a point? >> well, he does. the people of colorado didn't get to vote. this was done in essence in the proverbial smoke-filled room and given colorado's recent legislation on marijuana we might now know what they were smoking in that smoke-filled room. i just feel like, cheryl, that disconnect between the people who are trying to keep donald trump from being the nominee, and the people who went out there and voted, and if the party leaders they may not like it but we have a elections so that people can choose. and i hear some of the party people saying no, the party makes the choice. technically that's correct but the party has chosen to make that choice through elections and through caucuses. if they throw all of that out, and say, well, yeah, we know how you voted, we see where the votes are, but it is not where we want them to be, so we're going to manipulate the rules so
that our guy wins and donald trump doesn't -- cheryl: they're still doing that. >> i'm not sure who their twice is. cheryl: governor, they're still doing that to this day. there has been so much backlash against the establishment basically wanting their guy, ted cruz. it was rubio. now it is ted cruz. aren't they ashamed of themselves at this point? >> obviously they're not. obviously, cheryl, they are not. that is part of the problem. there is no shame. the reason the party is in such disarray. the reason donald trump was able to beat the rest of us because they had no shame. he had no hesitancy to go after them and got so much attention wit. but let me be very clear. if ted cruz thinks is really the darling of the establishment and maybe he is right now, but if he really believes that all those folks in washington who never have liked him suddenly have started loving him i think he may be very disappointed to the convention, all those delegates, some will stick with him because
they are cruz delegates, others will say, no, i don't want either one of those guys. i think it become as free-for-all. i told sean hannity last week, i felt what you will see is equivalent after political mushroom cloud coming out of cleveland if the whole thing breaks up like that. cheryl: i want to play something, expanded on votes that are being taken away, listen. >> their votes have been taken away. we've already been disenfranchised. if you look at what is going on, if you think about it, the economy is rigged. the banking system is rigged. there is a lot of things that are rigged in this world of ours. cheryl: and then he went on to say, this is why i'm funding my own campaign, because if i take a million dollars from x, y, z, guy i'm beholden to him. this what seems to be resonating with trump supporters. >> absolutely, cheryl. i think it is one of the strongest things donald trump
has had in his entire rep pa tar through the whole campaign. he is not beholden to the donor class. that is an important message. the donor class has absolutely dictate what the political class has done. they have done it at expense of working class. people out there in america, who can barely pay their mortgages if they aren't one of five million that had a foreclosure, they know full well the gut punch from the policies that were supposed to be so good for them. orthodox conservatism shouldn't be hurting working people and that is what happened over the last several years and they're sick of it. cheryl: okay, governor huckabee, you will join us a little later on in the show and i definitely want to follow more up on the conversation we're having, governor. stand by if you could. i want to bring in trump national spokeswoman katrina pierson. good evening. >> good evening. >> we were listening to those comments, one of the things i thought was interesting, i want
to follow up, you talked about the job losses in that part of upstate new york especially since 2001. small town america, when he goes out to these small towns, does he actually connect with the fact that those are voters but those are not the delegates? is he making that connection and does he take that argument to the convention? >> well he does connect with that. that is the message that has resonated along the south as well where he was very successful in tapping into the voters. one of the things i like to remind people, particularly with the discussion of creating jobs is that donald trump is the only candidate in the race that is actually done that. tens of thousands to be exact. so people know that mr. trump understands the importance of a person being able to feed their family at the end of the day and like, governor huckabee just said, the people are very much aware that the system is corrupt. and whether or not a person can pinpoint exactly where the corruption is, any american can
tell you something is wrong in the political system in this country, something is wrong in the financial system in this country and donald trump is speaking to those problems specifically which hurts the working class. cheryl: he talked about colorado. obviously what happened with the delegates in colorado, a big source of contention for him. he complained that system is rigged. that is really where he jumped on to that bandwagon tonight. katrina, is your campaign investigating colorado? is there potential there could be some type after lawsuit down the line with regards to what happened in colorado? >> there will be some complaint filed, simply we hear a lot of discussion about the rules, everyone says you should know the rules. when you're playing by the rules, then you have the party then lose trump delegates paperwork, credentials, suddenly leave their names off the ballot. that is not exactly playing by the rules. there are things looked into with colorado specifically because when mr. trump entered into the race back in june, colorado decided in august to put these measures in place to
help the establishment which in this case is senator cruz but now we see how this is actually working because these are pyramid systems, almost like pyramid schemes in corporations where you have maybe 3,000 people show up to be delegates at the county level, and they do have these elections. at the end of the day, when you get through this multilevel process at top, party activists, party officials essentially making decision who will be the final delegates. cheryl: he also addressed, i want you to listen to this, monitoring his comments, he losses bashed hillary clinton over the email scandal saying that she's, quote being protected. let's play that for our viewers. >> now you look at this horrible scandal with emails where she is probably being protected, probably being protected. because people that did 5% of what she did had their lives destroyed and her life is just fine. cheryl: katrina, what did he mean by she is being protected? who did he mean is protecting
her? >> well the democrat party, he does talk about this every now and again at these rallies, that the democrats are protecting her. you notice that the liberal media have been protecting her. in fact the media has been protect the clintons for a very long time which is another reason many people are drawn to mr. trump because he is the only one that is going after hillary clinton the way she needs to be gone after, and have the ability to take on media at the same time. she had been protected by the democrat party, as well as the media. cheryl: i think a lot of the media has actually been bringing light to the clinton email scandal but, let's move on to some other things here. in particular i want to ask you about when he was talking about the banks are rigged. i thought that was interesting. we're a business network, katrina. the banks are rigged. the economy is rigged. what does he propose to do to unrig the banking system or unrig the economy? >> well, i think a lot of this also has to do with some of the regulations.
we've seen a lot of smaller banks go out of business. we have seen a lot of bailouts. that was not bush's best moment. a lot of republicans remember that. there is no problem with too big to fail if you're the capitalist. that is directly opposite what we're supposed to be doing particularly at the federal level. it noise the federal government's responsibility to bail out banks. that is what mr. trump is speaking about. cheryl: katrina, he said he would repeal obamacare. if he were to take offers is that the first thing he would do as president? >> absolutely. this is one of the things he discussed in the first 100 days, bringing back a private health care system, block granting medicaid and doing things the way it is supposed to be done in this country. again these things occurring at the federal level is what is driving division among people. the states need to handle several of these issues. it will be up to someone, the next president, which will be donald trump, to really take that on a personal level and explain why these things need to be pushed back to the states like health care and education
because we can't do it at a federal level. there is no such thing as one size fits all, whether health care or education. cheryl: katrina pierson, trump national spokeswoman. thank you for joining us tonight as mr. trump subpoena speaking. thank you. >> thank you. cheryl: folks you just heard from mr. trump's camp. ted cruz supporter is actually going to be joining me now, discuss me next, to respond to what he called, again, lyin' ted cruz. we'll be right back. ♪ t of places you never want to see "$7.95." [ beep ] but you'll be glad to see it here. fidelity -- where smarter investors will always be. if only the signs were as obvious when you trade. fidelity's active trader pro can help you find smarter entry and exit points and can help protect your potential profits. fidelity -- where smarter investors will always be.
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. >> so you never know about their phony rules and regulations, but hopefully the rnc is going to get with the people. the rnc hasn't won an important election in a long time. we've had obama far too long. last election should have been won except romney choked like a dog. he choked. he went -- i can't breathe! >> donald trump has been slamming the gop nominating process since ted cruz swept the colorado delegates over the weekend. joining me is tea party patriots co-founder jenny beth martin. thank you for being here. he went after the establishment. talk about a rigged system. he called colorado republicans corrupt. do you think that ted cruz winning the colorado delegates was an illegal action and that something people should be
investigating and looking at closely? >> absolutely not. ted cruz has an organized ground game and it work forward him in colorado. donald trump is complaining because he lost in colorado, yet we found out today the missouri results were certified and trump won 40.9% of the vote there, and cruz won 40.7% of the vote. trump even though he only won by .2% more has 42 delegates to ted cruz's 15. you don't hear trump crying about that or saying that system is rigged. and in florida, trump only won 38% of the vote but won 100% of the delegates. you don't hear him crying about that and saying it's rigged. he doesn't like it when he lose. i can't figure whether to call donald trump double dealing donald or temper tantrum trump. cheryl: he's calling ted cruz lyin' ted cruz, he did that about 20 minutes ago. the names are flying. his delegate manager accused
ted cruz of using gestapo tactics to win delegates. i want you to listen to that. >> not my style, not donald trump's style. >> what can you tell me? >> it is ted cruz's style, that's going to win fast. >> you think he's threatening delegates? >> you go county conventions and you see the gestapo tactics -- >> gestapo tactics. that's a strong word. >> we're going to be filing several protests, the reality is they're not playing by the rules. cheryl: okay, so is the cruz camp playing by the rules? he says they're not. >> they're playing by the rules, donald trump can't handle when he doesn't win, he doesn't like to be a loser and didn't win in colorado. this isn't over. we have weeks to go until we finish with the primaries and figure out in june whether it's going to go all the way to cleveland or not. these are the way the rules work. the way thhiey tnk of this is that we have to determine who
is going to be the final republican nominee. that requires a majority vote. a majority vote. we're not going to get that by having more primaries all aren't this country. we have a system in place in the republican party for a runoff. it's through the convention. we're going to have a republican runoff if neither candidate gets to 1237 before the convention, that's what's going to happen in cleveland. and it's happened before. clear rules to do it. they're electing. we call all the delegates, the bloc in numbers, these are people voted on or elect or appointed to represent their congressional districts and states, much like congressmen and senators represent us in congress. these people are going to go cleveland to represent the voters back home and determine who the nominee is. cheryl: but this discussion has been going on for days, and you do have more and more republican party voters coming
out and saying that the delegates system is rigged. georgia mosbacher was on with maria bartiromo, she was talking about convention rules and used the word rigged. i want you to listen to that. >> i've been a delegate to four conventions. and it is rigged, all right? however, it is the way it has been. there are rules. people misunderstand. this isn't about the people's vote. this is about the republican party picking a candidate. cheryl: georgette mosbacher is loyal to the republican rty but outed the republican party yesterday. i mean, there's more and more delegates coming forward saying this system is rigged and we should change it and it should be changed now. >> well, you're going to -- so we're going to change it in the middle of the election cycle? all of the other candidates played by the same rules but
because donald trump doesn't like it, even though in florida, he got 38% of the vote he's getting 100% of the delegates. that's how it works in florida. works differently in colorado. each state has local control and gets to set their own rules. that's the way the system works. now in the middle game we change it? how is it fair to any of the other candidates who didn't make it this far? i don't think that's right, eeshg. if we don't like it, change the rules for the next time, but this is the system that is in place right now. cheryl: jenny, the worry is this is going to destroy the republican party, the animosity and the fighting and it's him versus him versus him is going to be, you might as well say president hillary clinton at the end of the day. that's the worry. >> i am with the tea party patriots citizens fund. there is always talk about the tea party being dead. talk about the republican party being dead. back in 2008, hillary clinton actually got more popular vote
than obama did, yet obama came out of democrat convention as the nominee, and i'm sure that during that time, if we go back and look, people were saying it was going to destroy the democrat party if one or the other didn't get whatever outcome they wanted. this is the way it works. we go through the primary process. we've got to make sure that the people who are there representing their congressional districts and their state bring out the best of the republican party in cleveland. not the worst, but the best. and i think that they can live up to it so we leave cleveland and we can show a difference between what conservative values are and what a liberal left agenda is like. and i think that we're up to the challenge. cheryl: cruz supporter jenny beth martin. we will see. we're coming up on the convention very soon. thank you for being here tonight. appreciate it. >> thank you. cheryl: all right, we are going to have more with governor huckabee. there he. is he was kind enough to stand by. we appreciate that. we're going to take a quick commercial break.
. >> was a dirty trick, these are dirty tricksters. this is a dirty trick and i'll tell you why, the rnc, the republican national committee, they should be ashamed of themselves for allowing this kind of crap to happen. cheryl: you know, donald trump saying that the rnc should be ashamed just a few moments ago. former governor of arkansas and 2016 presidential candidate mike huckabee back to join me. governor, i thought it was so interesting when he was talking about colorado.
and we had katrina pierson on right after we spoke with you just a moment ago, she said we're going to look at it. she didn't say investigate, but they are going to maybe file some type of protest in the state of colorado. are you optimistic that anything can be done or changed in colorado considering what happened with ted cruz there? >> no, cheryl, it probably is not going to make any difference to the outcome. it is true that each state gets to make their own rules how they conduct it, whether it's a caucus or primary. the rnc gives certain guidelines so if it's an early primary, it might have to be proportional, if it's later, winner take all. those flurls place, and that's a fair statement to make. and jenny beth martin was correct on talking about the rules. but let's look at it from the standpoint of the voter. if you're a voter, you go out there, stand in a long line and you vote for donald trump and somebody at the party says, well, we know what the votes were, but we figured out how the rules are going to make it
so we're going to give those delegates to somebody else. then what you're doing is destroying the credibility of the process. that's why the republicans need to be very careful. cheryl: but governor, what she said is this is the way it's always been. georgette mosbacher was on with maria bartiromo and said yeah, this is the way it's always been, and it's rigged. and georgette, who i know you know was a delegate herself. this is break apart the integrity of the republican party and potentially the convention. >> well, it is rigged. georgette knows very well. she's very knowledgeable about how things work, and she's been an integral part of it and is exactly right. it hasn't mattered very much. by the time you get to the convention, somebody's got all the delegates so we know who the nominee is going to be. it happened in 12, 08, 04, in 2,000. it's been a long, long time
since we went to a convention potentially and somebody has not secured the nomination. that's what's making this typical. here's what could happen. we could end up in a situation where somebody has several million more votes than anybody else has the popular vote winner but not the nominee. how well do you think that's going to go over? about as well as it went over people said al gore had more votes than george bush to secure the presidency. cheryl: i remember that. don't have a lot of time. paul ryan came out today to say i will not be accepting a nomination. he doesn't have any delegates. this is where we are. when paul ryan feels he has to address the cameras to say i'm not taking the nomination. doesn't this tell thought gop is in trouble? that the fighting is going to continue? >> yeah, it was interesting, ryan's speech basically was if i'm nominated i will not run, and if i'm elected, i will not serve.
look, it was an important moment and disastrous for ryan and the party if somebody tried to push and elevate him when he didn't run. i don't think that would go over, and it would be exactly as disastrous as he predicted it would be. he made a smart move saying that. cheryl: remember, he wasn't so jazzed about being house speaker in the first place, and then all of this. governor mike huckabee, thank you so much. good to have you on the program. thank you. >> good to see you, cheryl. cheryl: good to see you, too. we're going to move onto other topics. beijing's bold move, chinese fighter jets contested on the south china sea islands. we'll tell you what's happening there. cia director john drennan taking a shot at trump saying they won't be waterboarding again even if approved by a new president. james woolsey is joining me, stand by.
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. >> absolutely i would not, i would not agree to having any cia officer carry out waterboarding. cheryl: cia director john brennan says his agency will not engage in enhanced interrogation practices which includes waterboarding, even if a future president orders it. republican front-runner donald trump has been vocal in the past about the need to bring harsher interrogation tactics back and responded to brennan on fox news yesterday. >> i think his comments are ridiculous. they chop off heads and drown people in cages with 50 in a cage, and big steel heavy cages, drop them into the water, drown people, and we can't water board and do anything, and we're playing on different fields and we have a huge problem with isis which we
can't beat, and the reason we can't beat them is we won't use strong tactics, whether it's this or other things. so i think his comments are ridiculous. can you imagine these isis people sitting around eating and talking about this country won't allow water boarding and they just chopped off 50 heads? >> former cia director james woolsey says the cia cannot disobey a direct order from the president. he joins me now. sir, what is your take on cia director brennan's comments. can he deny a direct order from the president? sounds like he has every plan to do that? >> feels clearly strongly ban important issue. i think the delegates in 1787 who drafted up the constitution didn't -- madison and his colleagues didn't put in a special clause that says the american president has these authorities, footnote, except that the cia can overrule the president on some things.
there wasn't a cia, of course, at the time. so what your solution in something like that if you're faced with an order you can't go along with is to resign, not to try to overrule your boss. cheryl: well, it was interesting about all of this when donald trump was on fox and friends, he said look at what they're doing, look at the beheadings and the brutality of isis. do you think that we're losing the fight against isis because we've weakened interrogation tactics and that was president obama by executive order by the way? >> some use of waterboarding -- i think there's a reasonable argument whether waterboarding is or is not illegal under international law, but some use of it may be quite called for when something terrible is about to happen. let's say there was a nuclear weapon in new york city and we had a limited amount of time to find it and we had khalid sheikh mohammed as our prisoner
and could water board him and he knew where the bomb was. under any circumstance like that, most any director of the cia or president would say try it, especially since waterboarding, you can make an argument it's not torture. we perform it on all of our special forces, navy s.e.a.l.s and the others as a training measure, and we don't pull their fingernails out as a training measure. i think in some extreme circumstances, even if you aren't in favor general leaf waterboarding, you could need to use it. but i don't think the point is to try to match isis in their terrible interrogation methods. they're not the standard. we have to set our own standards. cheryl: all right, i tell you what, it certainly is something that needs to be addressed again and looks like that will continue, especially with donald trump leading with the gop and discuss this over and over. james woolsey, former cia director. thank you, appreciate your
time. >> good to be with you, cheryl. cheryl: well, donald trump is calling for the election system, calling our election system, excuse me, rigged, a few moments ago. listen. >> our republican system is absolutely rigged. it's a phony deal. what do i know? i started running like nine months ago, who would have they the would have been in first place? what do i know? what do i know? [cheers and applause] >> but i'm in first place by a lot. cheryl: with me now is conservative radio host and fox news contributor david webb. he came out swinging. >> yeah, he did. cheryl: he really did. he really is what seems to be resonating he's saying it's a rigged system, i'm a front-runner, the people are ignored, are they? >> in part, the will of the people is ignored and politics where perception is reality, that can be a bigger danger. i covered this on my sirius xm show last night.
they don't like the fact their voices are ignored. we understand representative republican even in a private organization which is what the state is, what the state party, is but when the system and donald trump frankly to his discredit as an organization should have gone after this last august when the rules were put in place. but this is a system where the voters don't get on exercise their will and choose it, and that's not how it works in america. not pure democracy, it's a representative republic structure and they're going down the line with a lot of people. cheryl: what does a contested convention look like in your opinion? some say chaos. some say healthy. the gop has done this before, it worked out okay. what is your take? >> my take is everybody is trying to project what they think it will be or want it to be. the fact is it will get messy. i will be there covering it. in time people will come together because of simple reason, the party can't afford a split at the voter level. forget the leadership and the
elected officials, they're going to argue. if the party splits at the voter level than the national party takes a big hit, and that's where the deal maker in trump and others has to come together. cheryl: and he always talk about the bad trade deals that we have, he brought up the trans-pacific partnership. he talked about mexico and china, but also went after the banks. populist things to say, the banks are rigged. the economy is rigged, and then says well, i'm going to reduce regulation, but we haven't gotten much more specific from him, doing that on purpose, do you think? >> i think it's a purposeful strategy, on the banks, dodd-frank regulations, over 400, we don't know what's in there. got a point about the big banks, the midsize banks are taking a hit. those banks are at the local level. those are in the communities. cheryl: katrina pierson was on earlier and i asked about colorado, and i said, what is he going do? are you going to investigate?
are you going to get the lawyers out? they've threatened to sue before. she said we're going to protest a little bit. >> they don't have grounds because the rules were set last august. denver post wrote about it, the local committees should tackle this, i don't like the system. cheryl: a lot of people don't like the system. georgette mosbacher was on with maria bartiromo and said it is rigged. delegate four times. it's rigged. she backs that up. >> we can't act like democrats, democrats have super delegates, they decide what the will of the people is. republicans need to act like republicans, not like democrats. >> i have to tell buffer we go, really quick here, talked a lot about jobs, he's not wrong. do your callers bring up the fact their jobs went to mexico? >> jobs are gone and no matter what obama and people want to tell you, people are living the reality. stagnant middle class income is
down and the investments have gone down, retirement has gone down, ira, sep ira whatever it is, they've gone down. cheryl: i'm cheryl casone, deirdre bolton is back tomorrow. "making money" with charlpayne right now. >> good evening, everyone. jan brewer standing behind donald trump. speaker of the house paul ryan putting the rumors to rest orphaning the flames, feeling the country