tv Lou Dobbs Tonight FOX Business June 23, 2016 7:00pm-9:01pm EDT
>> when police back off in high crime areas, live are lost, black lives are lost and not a peep of protest from the black live matter protests that are the cause of what i call the ferguson effect. charles: thank you for watching. remember the brexit coverage starts right now. lou: i am lou dobbs, supreme court today blocked president obama's effort to grant amnesty to as many as 5 million illegal immigrants, to block their deportation, supreme court justice deadline 4 to 4 on whether president has authority to spare illegal immigrants from deportation. ruling leaves in place, a lower court ruling, original ruling that blocked obama amnesty fiat, among our guest. our favorite flit -- politico.
also tonight officials in uk, tallies votes after a record number of brits voted on whether to remain in the european union or leave. british prime minister david cameron is pushing to stay in the ue, and former london mayor boris johnson wanted to leave, laying out their arguments ahead of the vote. >> this vote if we leave is irreversible. if you jump out of the airplane you cannot clamor back through the cockpit hatch. that is why anyone, with any doubt should vote remain tomorrow. >> if we get it wrong, we vote to remain, i just want to get over to people, that is it. we will be locked in the back of the cargoing in the wrong direction with no prospect of change. lou: former pentagon official kt mcfarland, former u.n. ambassador john bolten, among
our guest taking up possible impact of the british exit or remaining in the eu. donald trump is attending to business matters in scotland, golf. resort. before he left, he gave a few00s about some people he would like to have in his administration, here is donald trump's answer when asked if he would consider governor chris christie or senator tom cotton. >> i can't give you clues or anything, i a lot of respect for those two, i have a loot of respect for others, chris came out very early and en dorred me, i have gotten very good statements from senator cotton. who is a whose parents i know and met. i think that he is a very talented guy, and a very popular -- a very popular person. so, these are two names that i have high on the list for, for
something at least. that i can tell you. lou: former reagan white house political director ed rollins, and joining me, in just moments we'll talk about trump's comments. >> our top story, supreme court blocking president obama's executive fiat. administration calling it frustrates and heartbreaking then taking a shot at donald trump's proposal. >> leaving the broken system the way it is, is not a solution. that is real amnesty. what is really justin correct. lou: president obama not only
discounting the court's ruling but blaming republicans for the court's deadlock. >> this is part of the consequence of the republican failure so far to give a fair hearing to mr. merit garland, my nominee in the supreme court, they are allowing partisan politics to jeopardize something as fundamental assure justice system, and america should not let it stand. lou: november 8, they will either let it stand or not. trump however, praised the decision. saying in a statement -- this split decision also makes clear what is at stake in november. the election, the supreme court appointment that come with it will decide whether or not we have a border and hence a country. >> joining me now, former reagan white house political director, republican strategist, ed rollins. president has seemed dower of
late, no day more so than today. he did not like the decision, and -- >> it was the correct decision, congress makes the laws, certain immigration laws he tried to overrule them, and the courts did the correct thing, both at the appeals court level and this level, it -- lou: are you surprised? are you stunned that 4 justices ruled that president has power to unilaterally issue a fiat that negating existing law. >> not by the 4 judges that dthe 40 is at a -- court is at a critical point, the loss of scalia changed the dynamics of that, as mr. trump said there is a lot at stake in this election, we argued that court is so important, and if you get a president more power, and take it away from congress, the court will do, that i think it is unconstitutional, it is a violation, i think that court
made a correct decision today. lou: hillary clinton does not. barack obama does not, it will be before the american people, in this president at campaign, and eltion. let's turn to donald trump now, donald trump in scotland. attending to, i think he always had it planned he would be at turnberry a new resort and course in scotland. he said he is forgiving $50 million worth of loans to his campaign. >> a big development, a lot of people on the edge who giving money they were concerned about am i giving money and he will take back his loans, i think this is -- i think by forgiving the loans, i have always thought he would keep his money in the race, and i think today he takes that suspend away. and he made a heavy contribution, i think he has to make a bigger contribution as time goes obut 50 million
today was very important thing moving forward. >> trump today told on the interview we played, your thoughts? >> two significant men, governor christie has been governor for a substantial period of time, he meets all criteria of experience. heading transition team for trump, he had his share of controversy in his home state but he is a great debater he would be an aggressive vice presidential, cotton is not as well-known but he is a substantial young senator, and will be a big star in this party. lou: he is popular as trump said, it is remarkable, a young senator like cotton, has
achieved that. >> he is one of the more respected and popular members, i think we have a great group of young senators he is at the front of the class. lou: and. today, paul ryan, coming off a session ending maneuver to end the democratic sit in protesting gun rights. he decided that he would not speak about brexit. i have to comment am the speaker -- compliment the speaker, first in the way he handled that sit in. that this staged these at ricks of -- thes theatrics of the democrats, and he was smart to stay out of brexit. >> it was a great idea to stay out of it, this is not our issue this is a domestic issue, we would not like prime
minister to endorse a can pa candidate here. lou: like barack obama telling the brits how to vote. >> he should not have done, that but i don't have control over him. i can comment on them. lou: i was utterly convinced you did. thank you. >> thank you. lou: we're coming right back with a lot more, we have a latest for you from london on the break it vote -- brexit vote and much more. stay with us. >> supreme court's 4-4 ruling kills obama's amnesty fiat, however hillary vows to keep illegal immigrants poring over our southern border. >> she has pledged to grant mass amnesty, in first 100 days, create totally open borders for the united states. lou: what will be ruling's affect on the jobs, economy and general election?
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lou: baltimore state attorney marilyn mosby losing her third straight case against a baltimore police officer. baltimore order of police now calls on mosby to stop pursuing charges again other police officers charged that case. >> to continue this travesty is an insult to tax paying citizens of baltimore who at end of day bear full burden of cost of trials that have no merit and continue to divide our city. joining us now two of best attorneys in business. lis wiehl, defense attorney rebecca rose woodland, great to have you both. i have to say, this is what many prosecutors have said going in. that mosby had no case. first three officers up. >> i am a third generation
federal prosecutor, i take great pride in wearing the white hat of a prosecutor. this is an embarrassment to prosecutors, she did not have evidence she did not go to a grand jury, that is a way you go through a prosecution. she did not have evidence, 101 prosecution, you have a theory of the case, you go into prosecution, they had no theory of the case, they went from one thing to the other. >> am embarrassment. lou: nearly every prosecutor in country said this is a joke, saying that idea of prosecuting was a joke, and what is a joke is city of baltimore. to put up with mayor, the city officials, and the police department at the time that leadership of that police department, that should be an embarrassment and shame for the city. >> i think it may have been
the thought bee mine prosecute -- behind prosecuting these people, but have to step away from political and step into the facts. lou: it was all political. you are saying mosby? >> yes, she should have stepping away, said, notwithstanding the fact that it was a horrible situation, where are the facts, there was a video inside that van, and it did not really pan out, prosecutors, the theory. i don't know how you continue with that theory without evidence. lou: from autopsy to video to testimony. >> right. lou: it was -- -- >> other prisoner in the van said it was a smooth ride, and prosecution case it was a rough ride. lou: is there any -- quickly. is there any chance that mosby will have good judgment and sense to retreat from this nonsense prosecution? >> i can't make that prediction.
i would be thinking common sense. lou: she has not established a case for that. >> at-this-point maybe she says there is no evidence she has not yet, but i doubt it. lou: i think probably if she was not -- well, anyway. we'll go on. supreme court ruling, today that the by 4-4 decision, that president did not have the power to give amnesty to 5 million illegal immigrants. >> look, this is not about the facts of immigration, this is about the executive act power, he cannot take it they made it clear, there is a separation of power issue, constitution separates powers. the executive branch -- he cannot write laws. >> but i am stunned that 4 of those justices ruled that president of united states has imperial power, 4 of them. >> but other 4 upset them.
lou: god bless the other off. >> but it stunning. >> stunning that they did. >> i want to go to what after he gave his you know canned speech, we knew it was a 4-4 split, in qa-- issue he took two questions, he said i have pushed to limit of my executive authority. lou: i think we have that. >> if we may. i'm still and we're waiting. do have you it? i have pushed to the limits of my executive authority, we now have to have congress act. and hopefully we'll have a vigorous debate during this elect, this is how democracy is is up owe is upos supposed
to work. >> in a court of law, if i was prosecuting president obama, that would be my exhibit a, you just admitted. >> it was a maneuver he knew it, all work long. lou: this man wants to be taken seriously, he has a disastrous legacy, but even if that moment of acknowledgment he has no understanding, no self awareness of the absurdity of what he has done. >> and burden he has placed on all arguments ridiculousness. no understanding of that as president. lou: responsibility, duty, this is a man who seems to think he is beyond obligation, or duty, and service to -- lou: >> beyond constitution. >> cost goes on, now a trial in texas, you know, i actually feel bad for the 5 million people now, who got their hopes up, it is going to trial. lou: for 315 million who are not served well, by a
president. >> that is right. >> lis wiehl thank you, rebecca rose woodland. >> thank you. lou: vote in our poll, on uk, voting to maybe in the eu, will they leave? or remain. should the uk remain or leave, european union, our question tonight, cast our vote on twitter. >> follow me on twitter. like me on facebook, follow miao instagram. talk about a wild ride, roll the video. >> a unsuspecting cyclist crashed into a bear while flying down a remote bike trail near lake tahoe. the bear darts out of the woods, and in front of the bike, biker went flying over his handle bars into the dirt, rider did not see the bear. did not know a bear was there. the bear and rider, slugging
it off, 92er there shrugging off the crash, neither one injured. >> up next. casting ballots on whether they will be part of the eu or not. we take you effects of a probably british exit or remaining, we take it up with kt mcfarland, and ambassador john bolton and others, right here, next, stay with us.
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nigel farage leader of uk independence party, quoted after poll. said it looks like remain the edge it. early results show an even split just 5 areas reporting out of 382. one of the more impressive numbers in gibraltar. the first counting area, voting remain 95 to 5%. 21,000 of those 46 million votes, not so much indicator, joining us now. former u.s. ambassador to u.n. john bolton, facts new fox news contributor, and kt mcfarland with me.
john i'm turning to you. how does it look to you from there? what do you expect? >> i think it will be very close. and some of the interesting early runs, we're not dealing with constituent -- constituent see equal inside, in newcastle, j.p. morgan estimated a remain vote of 67%. actual remain vote 51%. sunderland, another big labor area, as is new castell analyst said, leave need to get 54% in sunderland to have a chance to win national, sunderland in with under 60% for leave. i read the exit polls like
everyone else, it could be remain wins, but nie nigel farage may have capitulated to early. lou: he sounded defeated there. >> yeah, you know it is too close to call, anyone who tells you they know what is going to happen, does not. we have to watch the clock, a lot of this hinges on immigration, and terrorist issue, what we've seen in europe, 6 months ago people said that they would remain, yet we had paris, and brussels now orlando. and the europeans, they are one thing but brits are looking at, that saying we'll be next, we'll have terrorists here we're worried about migration. lou: i love boris johnson's metaphor talking about if they
don't vote leave, the brits will be stuck in rear seat of the vehicle headed in the wrong direct, and nothing they could do about it. is that the way you see it? >> yes, i think that european union has made europe less than sum of its parts. it is not a stronger europe it is a weaker europe. economically, and certainly in security terms, that is where impact on united states is. and i think a british decision to leave, if that happens, would strengthen western security, and it would have a profound impact on the ei u,. >> -- e.u., there a swedish poll that says if brits leave how would you vote in sweden, leave or stay, a majority, said leave. this is an existential question. lou: european union is also exposing further weaknesses, as the uk taking this vote.
has taken the vote all that left is the counting. but, you talk about 20% of the european union gdp is the u.k. the relations are intertwined. it is hard to imagine that two years will be sufficient to unwind all of this, if they do vote to leave. what do you think. >> i think if they vote to live, president obama said, you have to get to the back of the cue, you will be way later than any -- -- lou: one thing we can do is safely ignore president obama. >> right, he will not be here in two years, i hope president trump says, you come up front. >> drat the luck. >> if they vote to leave, i would hope president trump would say come to the front.
let's do what we did in 1980s, with thatcher and reagan, we could do that again fix our economy, go after radical islam together, and have a relationship like we have not had in third years. lou: ambassador bolton, looking at performances of dollar, of pound sterling. and the e-- the euro. you know. the british have had best of all worlds in terms of maintaining an inspect currency and -- independent currency and association in broader market of the e.u. >> yes, 20 years or so ago when uk was making the decision, whether to get rid of pound and join eurozone, the same kind of predicts were made, then, and as they are made now by those who want to remain, if britain does not join the euro it is the london, and international financial center. none came true.
yesterday, very interesting head of german national association, manufacturers counterpart, said that he hoped that britain would remain, but if it left, german business would insist, his word that terms of trade remain the same because britain is such a big effort market for --ic export market for germany. lou: i could not agree with you more. you know what the business press gets overheated. it is so unseemly, ambassador john bolton thank you, and kt thank you. >> thank you. >> lou. lou: back with us at 8:00 show as we continue our special coverage on count down to decision of the uk on whether or not it will stay or remain in the eu, much more ahead up
next. >> donald trump in scotland ahead of brexit vote, he is there to promote his new turnberry golf course, what is his view of the brea brexit vote. >> get out, it is a mess. lou: mike gallagher and ebony williams joining us here next. >> we'll see yo show you what happens on this video, we're coming right back after these very important messages, stay with us.
lou: donald trump's latest campaign ad attacking hillary clinton over her role in the benghazi attacks. this was posted on lyin'hillary.com. i'm sorry to laugh. >> have you always told the truth? >> i always tried to. >> we have seen rage direct at american embassies over an awful independent net video. lou: i'm sure you remember that internet video. mike gallagher, i always keep
expecting to say a different name other than mike gallagher show. >> we dug deep for a name for that show. lou: lyin', crooked hillary. i always try to get the adjectives in order. lyin'crookedhillary.com. >> i would say it's damning. why choose between lyin' and crooked when he can have both. that was a rough moment for hillary that interview at the beginning of the ad. do you tell the truth to the american people, "i try to." truth tell is an absolute. >> it's an example of the
gratuitousness of this candidate who hijacked jeb bush's domain and turned it into a donald trump for president. this is something mitt romney and john mccain would never have thought of doing. he's tenacious and a pit bull and people are loving it. he had a good week. lou: the supreme court having something of a day today. first on afirm tough action. a surprise to many, that they supported the university of texas. it's a narrow decision. >> i was not surprised. although it sounds inflammatory to many on its face, it's a nuanced system. then you have many, many factors, race being one of them. i anticipate the court to fall down the way it did.
>> the big news from the court was the immigration decision. that was a stark reminder of the difference between trump and mrs. clinton. right off the bat, it couldn't be clearer. this is daily. we reminded of the choice we are going have in november and the difference this will lead to. >> just making it very -- almost visual for people. this is an indication of whether we have a border or a country. many people on the fence about trump can be something that's persuasive. >> there are plenty of democrats who want a secure border. lou: the idea that there are four justices on that supreme court who think our president should have imperial power and the capacity to janlt amnesty without any reference whatsoever to the constitution to the united states.
>> i hate to sounds like a broken record. but it's the biggest reason we have got to get this right in november. this is the president who is going to decide if the future for the supreme court makeup, and this is a grim reminder that we are not there yet. lou: hillary saying it's unacceptable. >> i was delighted with the ruling not because of any particular ideology around it. but because it proves the checks and balances process works. when the president acts unilaterally. thank goodness for the supreme court. >> they can have a party to the floor of the house of representists. lou: fall ryan did a good job of handling that mess. thanks for being with us. great to have you with us. appreciate it.
be sure to vote in our poll tonight on the u.k. voting on european membership. should the u.k. remain in or leave the european union. cast you're vote on twit -- cast your vote on twitter @loudobbs. as ambassador john bolton told fruls london, this may not be quite what some of the so-called experts expected. we'll have the latest after these quick messages. but first i want to show you, roll video, a terrifying moment on a busy highway in russia. a russian tanker carrying propane gas tanks explode. 30 times those tanks explode. or 30 tanks explode.
this is where i tell you what you may not believe. miraculously, no one was injured. including the truck driver who ran into the neighboring woods to hide from the tanks. the future of british prime minister david cameron is have much in question. >> i'm passionate about this country. i'm wildly a triyotic about what we -- pa. it doesn't quit. it stays and fights. hough as he put it, brits don't quit. former senior advisor to bill clinton joins us and he doesn't see it the same way as the prime minister.
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lou: investors have been anxious and markets have been erratic. stocks closing higher on expectations remain will prevail in britain. all of this on indication only one of the five most recent polls, only one of them showing even a slight margin for the leave vote. but as of right now, in london as the counting is continuing, and i do want to point out, 3.3 million shares were traded today on the big board. with only five of 300 counting areas in, the vote is still 50-50 between leave and remain. so we may have a surprise coming tonight is the view of ambassador john bolton as he put it.
and others who are watching very carefully what is going on there. but only one of five polls showed a margin for the leave vote. joining us tonight from london is steve hilton, former advisor to prime minister david cameron. steve has been pushing for the u.k. to leave the european union. what do you make of the vote. what is your sense based on this astronomical. to we americans, that 85% is an astronomical number. what do you make of it. >> i want to share insight with you. the fox studios in london happen nobody the same building where the leave campaign is based. i was just up there a few minutes ago. the ferrell results were greeted with the most enormous cheer
because the results are a throng way ahead of the -- are a long way ahead of the expectations. but the thing for our mire can viewers to understand is what this referendum is about. it's not just about individual issues. it's a fundamental question about how the country is governed and who makes the decisions. when i worked in government with prime minister cameron on downing street, i was shocked to discover that over half of all the legislation and regulation that we have to apply actually originated in the e.u. now, i live now in california. i run a tech business out there. so i understand how frustrated and angry americans are with the federal government in washington. in a way the e.u. is like a federal government in europe. but at least in washington the president is elected.
congress is elected. the people churning out this legislation and regulation in the e.u. are not elected by anybody. and none of the member state governments can stop this stuff it's fundamentally undemocratic. that's why i wanted us to leave. that's why i think this argument is a big story not just here in the u.k., but generally about people feeling frustrated with unaccountable power with no way of doing anything about it. lou: the populist movement from the mayor of rome to the brexit vote in the u.k. or france where we are watching maria le penn move forward. the power guiding their daily lives.
people are restive and moving against centralized power. the world's impulse was to go to centralization, an country after country moving to almost a statist position of whether authoritarian or whether the european union itself looking to brussels for everything. >> that's exactly right. i view the european union exactly in your words. it's a statist oligarchy, really. you were discussing immigration with your guest. we can say in the u.s. people are frustrated the government lost control of the borders and we can talk about the incompetence of the administration with regard to immigration. but in the u.k., even if you had a competent government committed to controlling the u.k. borders, it couldn't, because the e.u. sets immigration policy.
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lou: breaking news on the british referendum. the brexit vote, 51% want to remain in the eu, 49% want out. but don't get too excited. that's only 8 out of 38 counting areas that reported. but already it is much closer than many people had expected at this juncture. so we'll see what unfolds. that's why we are here. we hope that's why you are here. we'll be paying a lot of attention to it over the course of the evening on the fox business network. chris plante, washington times
columnist, kelly riddel, kelly, the decision by the president to acknowledge today that he had pushed his executive authority to the effectively to the limit in giving amnesty to 5 million people, and four justices agreeing that he had up imperial power. where did we find these people? >> i mean, it's totally unbelievable. but last week you had justice sotomayor write an opinion about the ferguson effect and why police are overpolicing these areas of minorities. it's a highly politicized supreme court. which is why november's vote is going to be so important to
determine ultimately the way the court will go. lou: i thought sotomayor's ideological fervor had been dampened. but she is expressing herself mightily in her writings. >> four justices voted for this overreach of presidential authority and this election is incredibly important. for the sake of democracy itself. for freedom of the western world and the enlightenment is hanging in the balance, that's all. lou: i want to turn to the clinton-trump race. to see they are this tight in the polls after so many negative comment, inundation of negative
advertising targeting trump and his relatively paltry response from super pacs, his own folks. i think it's impressive. what do you think of how well he's performing against that? >> i think his speech this week was a game changer. the i'm with you versus she is in it for herself, i'm with her. that spells out the continues between these two candidates. he sent his first fundraising email out. if by the end of the month he keeps it on track he will get $1 million. they are small dollar and they can give again. so that's very encouraging. lou: throwing in $250 million of his own money, a very big deal. >> i think luckily for donald trump the world has gone mad, the country has gone mad. this ridiculous occupy the house
of representatives. it was occupy for octogenarians. the congress has fallen and can't get up. i was watching for them to reach for their medic alert bags. it was venezuela come to america. i think most americans in their right minds see we are in desperate need of help. hillary clinton is certainly not the fix for what ails us. lou: i thought i was having a flashback from the 60s as i was watching elizabeth warren and folks crawling around on the floor. it looked like a sit-in. >> like a drum circle in central park. lou: i saw what you did there. you changed the subject on me and i appreciate you doing that. chris plante, kelly riddel,
thank you. lou: we are looking at what looks like a close count. it is just 1:00 in the united kingdom. the countdown has begun as we await fuller results from today's historic referendum on whether the u.k. stays or groats european union. 50 million british voters deciding whether to leave the european union or stay sovereign to the uk. what are the up reply cases for nato, arguably the most important defense and security alliance in which this country participates. among our guests, the heritage foundation's expert on matters uk. nigel gardner. and a lot of news to share with you tonight.
president obama suffering a huge defeat in his efforts to offer amnesty to 11 million americans. the supreme court blocking the amnesty fiat. donald trump released a statement saying the 4-4 ruling blocked one of the most unconstitutional actions ever undertaken by a president. trump pushing back against critics who say he's lagging on fundraising. >> we are raising a lot of money. when you see that filing. that was for a very short period of time. it was when we barely started. we had a day yesterday, and we had a day the day before yesterday, and we are raising a lot of money. reporter: new reports trump has
raised 11 million since tuesday. we'll be taking up the race for the white house. tony sayegh and car yankeery pit join us. benjamin hall in london. benjamin, what can you tell us at this hour? reporter: three hours ago they had them ahead by 4 to points. but now it's too close to call. at stake is the future of the uk and the future of europe. about 70% of the people registered to vote. at the heart of this closely
fought race is whether the uk should cut its ties with the european union, got it alone or take part in this super state. david cameron who led the campaign to stay in europe arrived at a polling station. he has been accused of scare mongering throughout the campaign. those who want to stay in say fit would be catastrophic to leave the eu. but those who want to leave say the uk simply no longer has control over its own laws anymore. they are decided by unelected bureaucrats in brussels. 50% of the uk will have voted to leave urine. that means a lot of change has to happen. a big moment no matter which way it turns. lou: i don't see how it could be
much closer than this. obviously with 390 counting areas to go, we have a ways to go. but when folks are getting nervous this early, that suggests there may be something in the wind. reporter: and the markets also wondering. lou: they have been wondering for weeks. joining us, former u.s. ambassador to the united nations, john bolton. also fox news contributor. former pentagon official kt mcfarland, i thank you both for being here. john, i want to say to you right away. you sensed this early on. an hour ago, and here we are. it looks like it's unfolding. we'll see what the rest of the counting areas indicate. but i think you nailed it right away. remain is not a sure bet at all.
>> i think it's have much up in the air. there is a heavy turnout in some traditionally labour party areas. and they are voting to leave which shows the power of big british and the desire for self-government. the other thing in the polls that show remaining in the uk is the shy tory effect. the politically correct view in the elite circles in london of course you vote remain. since it's not politically correct to say you are going to vote leave, you say, i'm undecided. if that's a substantial percentage, that could be the margin of victory for leave. that's another reason this could go on long into the night. lou: you don't know any of those shy tories, do you? >> the tories i know aren't shy, despite a letter that was sent saying david cameron should
remain as prime minister, i think his future is in jeopardy whether they leave or remain. this is a split in the conservative party. tomorrow there will be a lot of interesting political developments here. lou: tory shy or posh modest, kt, what do you make of the prospects and the gnomes of brussels must be beside themselves. >> they should be. i give you full credit. you were one of the first people nationally, interest nationally that recognized this movement in the united states and great britain. it's the silent majority rising up to say you are taxing us too much, you are incompetent, you are too big, you are not protecting us and this open border stuff is jeopardizing our security. lou: and your government doesn't work worth a darn.
>> the same movement you see in the united states is what you are seeing in britain. they say the european sun joins the titanic and it hit the iceberg and it's time to get on a lifeboat and get out. lou: towards decentralization, it almost seems like the right side of history right now is for -- whether it's this moment or a moment plus, it seems to be a moment when we are seeing decentralization being urged on country after country. what do you think? >> one of the arguments by those who wanted britain to remain in europe was that if they vote to leave, there will be another effort at a scottish referendum to secede from the united kingdom. scotland would not necessarily have an easy path into the european union. but a leave vote, and whether it
wins or loses, it will be close to 50%, is a vote that says government in brussels by bureaucrats is arbitrary, it's not helping us economically. it's not insuring our security. on the security front europe is a massive failure. it under lines the continuing importance of nato. and a british withdrawal would make nato a much stronger institution in addition to disrupting the european union. lou: disruption sometimes is a wonderful positive. kt, do you agree with john that that could be a positive for nato? it's strange in some ways. we are talking about the european union headquarters in brussels. and at the same time people are saying, you know, neither is functioning as it should. it actually took donald trump
saying out loud what many have been saying for some time. nato is not being responsive to the challenges and must begin the process of change. and has done so, but only in the early days of that effort. >> britain is only one of the other countries meeting its obligation to nato. if the united kingdom leaves europe, it will say get serious about your security and borders and get serious about the fact that you are no long are respond together needs of your people and they are rising up. britain is just the first. there will be others to follow suit. lou: there are only five countriecountries meeting that p demand for nato. the uk and poland leading the
way in europe, followed by greece with actually a higher percentage of a much smaller economy. and bless their hearts, the folks in is ston estonia are kin 2% on their own. this is a very, very close race and can move in either direction very quickly because we have so few counting areas reporting at this hour. john bolton as always, kt mcfarland, thank you as always. prime minister david cameron says today's vote is one that affects generations to come.e nr this parliament, the next five years, the next 10 years, it's the choice of a lifetime. people in our country. lou: i want to say thank you to
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lou: britain is tallying the votes. i think we can say it's frustratingly slow coming out of the uk. but the vote, 600,000 votes counted out of an expected 50 million votes. a very high turnout. we are early in the process. but right now leave is at 51.6%. and remain at 48.4%. that's significant if you are amongst those 600,000. but not terribly amongst the population turning out in record numbers for this referendum. only 10 of the 382 areas reporting.
weather having an effect on turnout in london. what is not clear is what effect that with the did have on the vote. joining us tonight is the director of the heritage foundation's margaret thatcher center for freedom. nile gardner. what do you make of these early numbers? >> yes, i have no shame, i'll ask you to analyze this. >> it's looking like a great night for the brexit side. they exceeded expectations for the leave campaign. and it's looking like a grim night for the david cameron and his project fear campaign. i think based on the early returns.
i think that on balance it's looking as if britain will be leaving the european union today. this will be an historic day, a day of liberation for the british people. i think it's a great moment. britain is very good for europe as well and for the united states and the special relationship. at the moment, things are looking extremely good on the ground in the u.k. lou: let's turn to to call it fear mongering. others call it projecting long cal consequences. geopolitical terms, a vote to remain or to leave. you are not in any way distressed by the prospects of having to diseven gang from the european union 20% of it economy. are you? >> i'm not concerned at all about leaving the european union.
the eu has become a massive basket case. it's a big government, high taxes, ridiculous policies. unelected faceless bureaucrats. the sooner britain can get out of the european union the better. right now britain is not a free and sovereign union. as long as you are a member of the european union. you don't have control over your own laws and own court. you can't even have your own immigration policy. if the british people decide to vote for brexit, this is a momentous choice in the right direction. great britain is the world's fifth largest economy. it's a significant military and global power. i think britain will do far, far better when it's not shackled to the dead horse that is the european union.
lou: the reality is that nigel, for us we are saying, he says he thick this fight is going to move forward no matter what. he thinks other countries, whether britain, whether the uk leaves the eu or not, he believes that that course is already set. do you agree. >> i think that's absolutely correct. what you see happening in brussels regardless of the outcome today, momentous change all over europe. a growing reject of political elites. euro-scepticism is big in france, journal any, spain, italy and every country of the european union. euro-kept i am is on the -- euro-scepticism is on the rise.
and this will have an effect across the european union. you will see referendums held across the eu in coming years. judging by the opinion polls, i expect self member state to leave the european union over the course of the next few years. brexit i think will have a massive impact across europe. this is a fight for sovereignty, self-determination, economic liberty and democratic accountability. and the european union doesn't stand for any of those. lou: nile gardner always good to talk to you. i think lady thatcher, your old boss, might be pleased at the prospects if the vote turns out obviously the way you think it will. up next a lot at stake tonight. the european union could be stripped of its second largest economy.
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lou: the usual k showing 49% to remain in the european union. 51% voting to leave. 13 out of 382 areas reporting. i wish we could deliver a larger percentage. joining us is general jack keane. retired four-star general. fox news hilt analyst and general, great to have you with us. we just heard nile gardner. we heard john bolton and a number of folks saying they
think this thing is going toward leave. whether they are right or wrong, the prospect seems to be at hand. what will be the impact in your judgment on nato and the ability of that security alliance to function effectively if they do leave the european union? will it make a difference? >> let's take a look at that alliance. it's a mere shadow of it former self it was a strong alliance throughout the duration of the cold war. it helped the soviet union recognize the bridge was much too far in terms of the united states and nato. but after 50 years of social democracies, the weight of those democracies and what they have done to those european nations is quite staggering. these leaders, fecklessly, can no longer ask their people to
sacrifice. this nato alliance, i still believe tonight, but it's not the alliance it used to be. i do not believe -- and i have military colleagues claiming this, that pulling away from the european union will in fact weaken nato alliance. i don't buy that at all. the reality is the nato alliance is weakening by the leadership that exists in these countries and their lack of political will and commitment to security issues around their countries and facing the globe at large. one of those nato countries i'm talking about is the united states of america, and its weak leadership and its unwillingness to step up. i do think that the russians will see this as something for them to take advantage of. and because it will encourage putin.
lou: if i may interject, jack, one would think that any leader of any nation would always seek opportunity to advance the interest of his country. that should be it seems to me on the table in the forefront of every strategic thought by any government, particularly the super power like the united states. but we seem to be oblivious. >> we are. we absolutely are. putin will see this as something for him to leverage and take advantage of. whether that will affect the brits in their voting, this is more about sovereignty and mindless bureaucrats in brussels. but it will be fascinating to see what this outcome is and what it portends for the european union in the long run. >> and the economic impact of the sanctions brought againstad.
as he is making a counter move working ever closer to president xi in china. the national sceut implications for all of europe, whether the uk remains or goes from the european union, and for the united states, things are getting sharper in relief and they should be it seems troubling to the white house and the white house seems to be indifferent. >> putin is running into the arms of the chinese. you have 150 million people on his side of the border and a billion plus on the other side of the border. an economic giant that is clearly capitalizing the energy and infrastructure industries in eastern europe and emerging countries. i just came back from china with
one belt, one road which is staggering. muscle-bound hard-core capitalists in china wanting to spend close to $30 trillion on infrastructure and energy outside of china. and that is why putin is rushing to make trade and economic deals with the chinese. it's unable, given his economy, devaluation, inflation, all the major problems he's got. huge, huge problems. lou: we appreciate you being here to share your thoughts. and to bring your perspective on what is looking tonight like what might be a very significant rupture in the european union. we'll find out as we go through the evening. jack keane, as always, great to have you with us. up next donald trump blasted
hillary clinton. he says she shouldn't be allowed to run for president. >> it's unfair she is allowed to participate in this election you want to know the truth. it's shocking to people to legal people, to legal eagles they cannot believe this continues to go on. what she did is so much worse than what petraeus did and others did. lou: tony sayegh and cary picket among our gets. we continue to have results. we can't say the results are pouring in or trickling in. we'll have the latest with all the votes we can gather here next. stay with us. and stay patient, please. we'll be right back.
them to you no matter how small, and we hope you don't find that irritating. we hope you finds it informational and satisfying. may the best counting area prevail here with our next result. gary picket and tony sayegh. great to have you here. let's start with the backdrop for all of this. that is, i think as nature dictated. president obama would weigh in and tell the folks in the uk how they should vote and by a narrow margin they seem to be avoiding his conclusion. >> you have barack obama who is essentially a lame duck. so as far as the brits are concerned, i don't think they will necessarily care what barack obama thinks. lou: they care but not one wit.
tony? scotland none other than donald trump opening a new golf course. and hillary clinton on the campaign trail trying to say that donald trump is a curlou ia scurrilous fellow, my words, not hers. he seems to be attack with great specificity and she with general ats. >> i always thought barack obama would be a better european politician than an american politician. i think he's much more comfortable in the european governmental centers. because it's all about collectivism. lou: if you put them in brussels, president obama would look animated and energetic. i don't think there is any doubt about that.
we may have given him a hands about the second act. >> in that press conference you allude to, the rebuke he got from the british press was really amazing to watch. and they weren't even being subtle about it. but going to your question about trump, i think trump has got his sea legs. hillary clinton has the worst record of any secretary of state in modern history and he took that record head on. all she had is a collection of issues he may have accumulated after 40 years of creating thousands of jobs and creating millions and billions in revenue. the fact that he may have been involved in a few lawsuits pales in comparison to how she got in office. he created jobs and businesses. she has been a failure as her old job, why promote her to the new job.
lou: i think it's fair to say he has had controversies over the course of his life. his private life has been public forever. his business life has been public. her scandals are, you know, to me at least, so disproportionately larger than anything you could focus on in his career or his life. what do you think? >> if you think about it for a moment. you have hoik whose controversies, scandals and so on and so forth has directly affected the american people at large. whereas a lot of the stuff people maybe were concerned about with donald trump tended to be more contained. and while it may be fair to bring them up, still, we are talking about particular issues that go back to the white house that people knew about as far as international issues were concerned.
she is more concerned. and that's too many people to ignore. >lou: the house of representatives adjourned for a spell, having dealt successfully with the dem hospital decided to put the 1960s style sit-in to the test as a way to diminish the second amendment. >> it revealed their strategy as being only based on theatrics and being shallow. if they wanted to protest they should have protested the democrats in that chamber who voted it down before it got to the house. >> you notice how principled they were when they cut off their sit-in by going to the congressional baseball game. lou: i won't take what would be a cheap shot. it takes everything i have got to resist that. tony, thanks.
appreciate you being here. former london mayor boris johnson has high hopes his countrymen will choose to leave the european union. >> this is the last chance i think our country has to take back control of obviously a lot of money, our immigration system and basically our democracy. lou: will they or won't they? and if they do, what will it mean for americans. john brown joins us. here next, stay with us.
lou: results out of the curb showing 48.6% voting for britain to remain in the european union. and 51.4% voting to leave. while these numbers are scantd. these are the -- numbers are scant. 18 out of 382 areas reported. a million votes counted. right now leave is a little stronger at the margin than remain. surprising all the experts going into this vote today.
5 of the most recent polls. only one of them had leave ahead by a very, very small 2% in the polls. there may be a surprise in the offing tonight out of the uk. joining me is john brown, euro pacific capital senior market strategist and former member of the british parliament. former advisor of margaret thatcher and an old friend. >> we first met 30 years ago in london. lou: i thought of it as 15, but i'm sure you are right. the idea that we are looking at the prospect of the uk leaving the european union. it has the establishment trembling at the prospect. at least they say they are. and they are putting out release after release over the course of the past four or five weeks increasingly dire expectations
as what will happen to the u.k., to europe and indeed global markets. your thoughts? >> you are absolutely right, it's prong fear. cameron felt on economics people were largely ignorant and there are set the ground for fear to fester. and he piled it on with the support of the globalist elite. central bankers, european union central bank. the imf and the bbc which has huge loans from the european community. and of course the figures are just grasped out of the air. they haven't even tried to extol the virtues of the european union to the public just to terrify them. i think you will see a staggering close result at the moment. people like nigel farage, and
the united kingdom independence party have done a fantastic job. and people are voting with their heart with passion. but one word of caution. at the moment the votes are largely from the south. and that's heavily conservative and heavily relatively heavily brexit. as you move north into the socialist countries, scotland and wales one can expect sadly the remain people to have more of a majority. and i hate to pour cold water on it. lou: we are being told the labor turnout is far heavier than expected. we are looking at numbers never before seen in the uk. you are right in the expectation of what may unfold. but the reality is wire looking -- we are looking at these few numbers. people are taking even couragement from it.
perhaps that's human nature at work, or brilliant intellects being able to divine the results from little evidence. but your cautionary note is taken. go ahead. >> partially that, and partially the thrill, the people's revolt. even to over0% would be staggering. to be running on the near 50% is beyond belief. and a great tribute to the leaders. lou: in your. >> quickly, your expectation on impact on markets. we know a bang holiday and the uk, if leave prevails, what would be your expectation of the impact? >> i think very short-term panic and great high volatility will be sorted out soon with the efforts of the central bangs and
the bankers and financiers in the world. they want calm. they don't want a runion. a most serious loss for america is not corporate or financial it's in the political or defense area. if britain stays in it losses its nuclear deterrent and permanent seat on the united nations security council. britain as the blessed margaret thatcher said is the most for vandal lie of the united states. it would be one of 28 votes in europe and lost. america will lose it most for vandal lie from defense and political. i have been at these international gatherings. the united ding come sits next to the united states, and sometimes the whole of the rest of the congress is against us. lou: you probably were surprised
president obama was so insistent that the brits remain. >> i'm not surprise the as at all. he's a socialist and he loves socialist europe as some of your contributors have said. lou: donald trump's warning on globalism and how the americans and british people are heeding that warning tonight. >> our country lost its way when it stopped putting the american people really first. we got here because we switched from a policy of americanism, focusing on what's good for america's middle class, to a policy of globalism. lou: trump advisor steven moore joining us next to take up the global impact and backlash to globalism. who would have thought it would ever happen.
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remain in the european union. 51.3% voting delay and that's 26 out of 382 areas reporting as you can tell. it is a vast number of counting areas to go and these are as they say early, early results that we are bringing you. joining me now, steve moore. he is a foundation chief economist one of donald trump's economic advisers and all-around good guy. it's good to have you with us. >> by the way open november doesn't take as long to count those votes or we will be up until 6:00 in the morning on election night. lou: as we have been before and we will see if it's close or not terry in the fact is this thing looks like it's moving at least right now. we can't make predictions about it our forecast but it's surprising. talking with a number of people
here tonight the brits are surprised at the level of the vote even in these early counting areas, voting for lee. your thoughts? >> i'm surprised only i have very rarely seen such a universal propaganda campaign against you know political issue. i've just never seen anything like it. it's the entire political elites in europe and the uk and even here in the united states saying you've got to stay coming got to stay. the media picks it up and these british voters are being bombarded by this everyday. it does remind me, you think you're such an eerie similarity between what's happening there and what's happening here with trump. oh god we can't have trump is going to run the country. we don't like the way things are going so well right now, maybe we will go for some of this change. lou: i take it you think most of it is hyperbole. >> i do and i go to the site of
saying i think they should leave because i think britain would be better off independent of what i call the european disease which is socialism. lou: steve i apologize but we are at the end of this broadcast hours they say. forgive me for squeezing you on that. steve moore. our coverage continues right now tonight with trish regan. trish: breaking right now the world on edge as we wait the results of the historic vote in great britain. it's 2:00 a.m. in london, 9:00 p.m. here in new york city. it's morning in japan where investors are trying to digest the news of a question the question being asked by everyone right now, will the brits boat to leave the european union and what are they implications for our economy, our market and our national security and the u.s. presidential election? i am trish regan, welcome to a special edition of the intellig