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>> go to foxandfriends.com. we're going to have a little relay. good morning. the clinton campaign backing a recount in wisconsin, but not without criticism from the president-elect. hi everyone. i'm melissa francis. i'm in for maria. she'll return next week. what will come of the recount effort in wisconsin and two other states? we're going to hear from a prominent gop senator in a few moments. what now for the united states relationship with cuba. with former dictator fidel castro dead and president-elect trump set to take office. we'll talk with james woolsey. the market is on a roll
since election day. what will this week bring? we'll get to that with our panel on "sunday morning futures." president-elect trump bashing the effort to recount votes in three states calling it ridiculous and a scam. that's surprising, right. green party candidate jill stein requesting a recount in wisconsin on friday. continuing to raise money for recounts in michigan and pennsylvania. the clinton campaign now joining the effort. mr. trump firing back at the plans tweeting, the democrats when they incorrectly thought they were going to win asked the election night tabulation be accepted. hillary clinton conceded the election when she called me just prior to the victory speech and after the results were in. nothing will change.
joining me is kansas senator jerry moran. thanks for joining us. when you look at -- >> good morning. >> when you look at the numbers surrounding the recount, hillary clinton would have to flip pennsylvania and wisconsin and michigan in order to turn this election around. what do you think are the odds of that? >> well, i think the odds are nearly zero. we're going through some efforts that seem to be unnecessary. our country historically, presidential candidates, those who have lost rallied around those that won and brought those together. i think that's important at this point in our country's history. if there are legitimate allegations about cyber tampering with voting machines, then in my view, an election official in one of the states is probably not the place for that consideration to be had. if there's really serious allegations, legitimate ones, then i think this is matter for law enforcement, fbi or
intelligence agencies. this seems to be a political effort at raising money and stirring the political pot. >> a lot of people are calling to mind recounts of the past. if you look at the raw number, in michigan, where the person requesting it has to pay for it. he's up by 10,000 votes. pennsylvania is 70,000. in the issue of a recount when it change, aren't we talking more about like 1,000 vote ma h margin. these are big margins. >> history probably isn't the perfect guide other than we had this sense that elections mean results. results meaning moving forward for a new president. in these instances, nothing that is evident would suggest the outcome of this election would be changed. it seems to be something less than a legitimate effort to determine the outcome in elections. that's what a recount is about
is who really won. in this case that's been determined and in fact, as been indicated secretary clinton conceded that she lost. >> the green party came forward and said they look into the possibility that the results were hacked or some votes were hacked. this was an early theory we heard circulating. they decided they don't have clear evidence of that but they're still interested in recount. more money is pouring in. at last count it was just over $6 million for this recount than i think she raised during the whole campaign. is there any evidence that any of that money is coming from hillary clinton or hillary clinton's supporters? >> i don't know whether there's evidence of that or not. i've not heard that, not seen that. i assume that will become known throughout media and other sources, but again there's no evidence of hacking that i'm aware of. that wouldn't be a determination to be made by an election
official within the states. that's a serious violation of federal law. the allegation has been it's been done by other countries, that's an intelligence, fbi law enforcement issue. it has nothing to do with the efforts to raise money on a website to do a recount in one of the states. >> as usual, the hypocrisy on this has been rich all the way around. from every side you have jill stein stepping out and wanting to help the process and leaning toward hillary clinton if she did win the state. in fact, if you look at her number of votes if she had been out of the race, there's a lot of places where hillary clinton would have won if the voters had gone to her instead. hillary clinton, criticizing donald trump at the third debate and on the campaign trail when she said that he hinted he wouldn't accept the outcome of the election. i think we have a sound bite of that. do we have that? let's listen. sorry, i was wrong about that. you can imagine what she said.
i'm sure it echoes in your head because we heard it so many time times when she said ahead of time, i'm horrified they're not going to accept the outcome. the hypocrisy is what you see in politics. >> unfortunately, that's true. the facts don't change but the rhetorics change. i'm of the view we have a solid election process in the united states. there are errors or flaws. i've been in courthouses, county clerk houses across my state and there's lots of citizens involvinvolv involved in the process. people who come just to work the polls and count the vote. those people are doing everything they can to get it right to make sure the votes are counted correctly. it's not about trying to steal an election. in my view, americans historically and rightfully so
have accepted the results of an election and that's where we should be today as compared to -- your rhetoric changes depending on whether you're winning or losing. >> one thing that makes it tough for people upset with the outcome is popular vote. they talk about the fact she received two million more votes than donald trump. do you think there's an appetite in this country now to make rethink or look at the electoral college system? >> well, we have the electoral college system created by our founders. it's in our constitution. that was designed for a particular purpose to force candidates to pay attention to all states and while there's always been concern or criticism of the electoral college, again, we ought to make the decision on that not based upon who wins or loses but the value of that electoral college. this debate ought to be a separate one from what happened
or what people are claiming happened in this debate. >> thank you for your time. >> thank you. the president-elect trump paving path forward with cuba. what will the relations look like under a trump administration. james woolsey joins me next on that one. stay with us as we look ahead on "sunday morning futures." ♪ come on, wake up!!! come on, why ya sleepin'? come on! what time is it? it's go time. come on. let's go, let's go, let's go. woooo hoooo!! yeah!! i feel like i went to bed an hour ago.
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diplomat. a part of the statement reads though the tragedies death and pain caused by fidel castro cannot be erased, our administration will do all it can to ensure the cuban people can ensure that you are journey toward prosperity and liberty. joining me now is ambassador james woolsey. thank you for coming on show this morning. let's jump right to it. how do you think that a trump administration will deal differently than the obama administration is probably the most important question going forward on cuba, at least? >> as it did on iran, the obama administration has negotiated in a very giving fashion with the cubans. they have not held to a firm requirement, for example, that political prisoners be release and religious discrimination stopped before they would take the steps to improve trade and
the rest. as a result, the new administration coming in is having to mover uphill against concessions that were already made by the obama administration. that's a shame because that means that we have -- we haven't given up but we've made it harder, the obama administration is made it harder for the incoming administration to get a better deal to take a strong line on political prisoners and succeed before releasing any change, permissions for trade and the like. >> those on the side would argue it wasn't working. they talk about driving cars from the 1950s, they don't have any goods. by isolating them, we're punishing the administration. so open the doors from the fruits from the west. the people will rise up or the situation will be improved, at
least. what's wrong with that argument? >> i think generally speaking the cuban-american community in florida and the rest of the united states has been right on this. our problem is not that we've seen too tough a line coming out of u.s. government on these issues. we haven't seen a tough enough line. i think that the trump administration would have a much better opportunity to get a better deal out of the cubans before going along with some changes if these gratuitous concessions had not already been made by the obama administration. >> one of the surprises of the election was that donald trump got more of the hispanic vote than people thought he would and a lot of that came from cubans who were unhappy about what president obama had done. earlier today white house chief of staff reince priebus was on with chris wallace.
he said talking is fine but action is something that will be required under trump. when talking about reversing on cuba, he said that will be the case. there has to be some movement from cuba. how do you think that will be received by rove, castro and those in charge in cuba? >> they won't like it at all. one pretty good guy is fidel didn't like it, there's probably something good about it. we're not in a situation that the obama administration seems to imply there's something bad out there. nobody is really responsible for it. if we all get together, can't we all get along. that whole pattern, i think is dead wrong in dealing with totalitarian dictators. there is a source of problem here. it's the castro brothers and the excellent cuban people deserve a lot better than that.
they deserve a tough stance from the united states. >> i wanted to get your opinion on what's going on in the maybe still ongoing race for the white house. i understand you have some opinions about this idea that the russians were able to hack into our electoral process. >> i don't know if they've been able to hack. if they do, about a quarter of the voting machines in the u.s., as a result of reforms after the 2000 hanging chad, about a quarter of our voting machines don't have paper attached to them. they're just electronic. if somebody succeeds in hacking, trying to get it all straight is very difficult. the other thing that goes on is that the russians year in and year out, not so much just for this election practice something they call disinformation which is changing the underlying story over the long haul and devoting hundreds and hundreds of
thousands of people to doing this. this is a serious problem. they use it for anti-semitism. they use it for all sorts of purposes. it would be surprising if they had not tried to use it in the current circumstance. >> like where? where would you have seen evidence of this along the way? are you talking about wikileakss or something more subtle? >> i'm not talking about wikileaks. i'm talking about a long term russian effort to undermine confidence in the west and particularly in the united states in its electoral system and voting system. it's principles of freedom and rule of law. it's not confined to this election. this is something that the russians have a lot of people working on. according to the head of romanian intelligence in '79,
there are more people involved in deception in russia like this than in the armed forces. >> are they reside in russia, are they in the u.s.? where that are they doing their business? >> they work everywhere. they get a story written with a spin they want in one place and then they had to get it published in another part of the world say in the south asia. then they get it confirmed by some place else and they cite it and the state gives speeches about it. it's part of an overall effort to, as they say, to disinform. to screw around with history. that is, it's dangerous because it's so much of a commitment by the kgb and its follow ones. we need to get on top of it. >> it sounds like political spin
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president-elect trump holding a series of meeting. they will continue to working. former securities and exchange commissioners paul atkins. executive transition committee. thank you so much for joining us. let me ask you, off the top, secretary of state is getting a little uncomfortable. there's so much back and forth. there's people in the campaign tweeting. people calling this unseamly. is it time for him to make a decision. >> i'm inside it. it's interesting the see the outside perfective but inside i don't see it that way. what i would say about the inside is there's a deliberate process. there are strengths and
weaknesses to every candidate. i think what mr. trump is doing is trying to figure out who will fit his ageneral da as it relat foreign policy. one of the big things the president is concerned about is isis. he wants the person to work really well with the nsa and the department of defense. to me, taking a little bit more time to get this right is the thing the american people want from the president-elect. >> no rush on the other post but with this one, mitt romney is getting a little trashed and bashed in the process. he's taking so incoming fire. rudy giuliani taking some incoming fire. is it damaging to the person who takes the post? >> i do not think so. most governor romney and major rudy giuliani are tough people. both have been in the rough and tumble of campaigns and seen eggs and tomatoes thrown at both
of them. if there's another person involved, at the end of the day the president-elect will make a decision and one that fits in with his agenda. those guys with take it. >> they can take it. a lot of interesting people tomorrow. oklahoma attorney general trngs sheriff clark. somebody who has been on our network a lot, very interesting, very outspoken, very colorful. he has a big fan base. he doesn't mince words. he runs as a democrat. his name is being thrown around for department of homeland security. he knows everything about policing, but terror, do you think? >> listen, again, what we would like to explain to the american people is there's a whole series of people being interviewed because of sheriff clark's personality, he'll be the one that the media focuses on the most. the message from inside the
transition team is we're trying to provide with information that we can give him and the pluses and minuses of each of the people. the greatest thing about president-elect trump is he's really taken the time and the deliberation. people are like why hasn't he named this person or that person. the answer is you want him, on behalf of the american people, to really run a formal hiring process as opposed to a political favoring process or a process that would be designed the way washington typically works. we want to design this process to be the way the president-elect works which is deliberative, thoughtful and let's bring the a plus players in. >> i want to ask you about something you know a lot about, treasury. this is something you're steeped in markets all the time. how is the person, i'm not going to ask you to tell me who he will pick. what different direction do you think we would see coming out of treasury under trump than we have seen now? what will be different?
>> i think we're going to put together a tax plan that will streamline taxes and reduce the burden and simplify the tax code and reduce the burden of taxes. number two, out of treasury, that's where all the sanctioning comes from. i think he'll want to use the sanctioning, perhaps, if we get into some trade issues with people. we want fair trade. we want to even the playing field. if you look at the documents, they're unfair to the united states now. to make them fair, you may need the help of the treasury secretary. we need somebody with a strong backbone, somebody that is very principle and really understands president-elect trump's agenda. >> do you think that somebody comes from a corporation, wall street? who is the best type of person? >> the best time of person has three characteristics. someone the president can trust. somebody that knows the policy intimately and the last thing, and this is super important for me. in the heat of battle, is this going to be a person who will
survive the fox hole test? are they going to be running toward the bullets or away from the bullets? we want people running toward the bullets to help the president-elect when he needs it. >> an interesting point you made about policing the sanctions. thank you so much. house democrats reeling from their election day losses. leadership elections are coming up this week. can congresswoman nancy pelosi hang onto her spot in the face of challenge? a member of the dnc joins us. ♪
>> no, i don't think he's doing to be elected minority leader. i'm one of the people supporting nancy pelosi right now. we need to hear all the parties. we need to learn how we, that's how we're going to win. i think nancy pelosi is best position to bring that foptoget. >> it's interesting to hear you tie your message to him. he said we're perceived in middle america that we're tied to wall street and tied to big money. nancy pelosi looked like hillary clinton when you look at who is backing her and how much money she has in the bankroll and how long she's been in politics.
>> i don't view people looking at us tied to wall street. bernie sanders said. i think we have forgotten what it means to be a working man or woman in this country. they don't hear us talking about the issues that matter to them. they don't want a lot. they want a job that will give enough money to live in safe neighborhood, buy food and be able to go the a doctor. they are tired of trade deals that are shipping jobs overseas. something nobody is talking about that pensions are not an entitlement. they are paid money in and they're scared they won't be there. i'm grateful that nancy pelosi is talking about security and medicare. that's one of my passions that nobody has talked about during this last election. >> if you look at how the election came out, it does seem like he's seizing on the idea that the american public wants change. nancy pelosi is not seizing on that idea. if you look at hillary clinton won the popular vote but everything from the electoral vote to governors to senator, to
house, local levels, republicans really swept. >> respectfully, i'm going to tell you that we've got to have somebody that will pull us all together. she is already announced potential changes we'll discuss at the caucus on wednesday. she is hearing and listening. i understand you do have a vote when it comes to transition over there. keith ellison of minnesota, is
that who you have support for? >> i've not announced support for anybody. we have to figure out what this party needs. that election is not till the end of february. we need to take the time to listen to understand and see who are the candidates before -- i'm not going to commit. i hope others will wait and do the soul searching first. >> you mentioned bernie sanders name earlier. do you see things moving more to the left. even when talking about representative ellison, people say he has the support of elizabeth warren and bernie sanders and these more extreme people to the left are who are coming forward in the party. is that the direction the democrats are moving? >> i think we got to be very careful to be an inclusive party that has everybody in it. we have different viewpoints. we have different percent --
perspectives. there's a place for progression. the coasts that care about the environment. the environment doesn't mean you don't wacare about it in the midwest too. our party is strong when everyone feels like their voice is heard at the table. >> that's what it seems like hillary clinton was trying to do and it didn't work. it was like she was trying to be all things to all people. what people were hungering for is the specific. the person that's really targeting. trump had his big support, bernie sanders had the millennials. >> i'm going to say this to you, my district is one of the most diverse in the country. ann arbor, a lot of progressives and the down rivers that are good hard working men and women. i work for all of them.
i understand what the issues are. i'm the first person to oppose trade deals. donald trump was exciting people because he opposed trade deals that were threatening the jobs. i have the largest population of muslims in the country. >> thank you so much for coming on today. we appreciate your time. >> thank you. now, here is a look at what's coming up on media buzz. let's check in. what you got cooking this morning. >> we're going to start with the coverage of donald trump meeting with the network executives, the new york times, the coverage of this ridiculously long shot wisconsin recount. we'll take a look at twitter shutting down some alt-right accounts and facebook grappling with fake news. are people getting sick of football? all coming up at the top of the
hour. >> interesting. i have to admit i'll be watching football later on today, but going back and forth. >> they've got you. >> i never miss you. i got to dip in on that football too. thanks so much. once upon a time president-elect trump caused outrage by suggesting he might not accept the election's result. now that shoe is on hillary clinton's foot. how is it fitting? our panel is here to discuss as we look ahead on sunday morning futures.
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let's bring in our panel. ed rollins is principal white house advisor to president reagan. we have steve moore on hand as well. steve, i'll start with you because you have the disadvantage. you're not around the table with us. what do you think about this whole thing. i'm one hand there's a lot of hypocrisy, on the other hand, everybody is a hypocrite in politics. >> i'll start by saying the nile isn't just a river in egypt. it were one thing if this election wasn't just decided by one state. for the most part, donald trump won an electoral land slide.
i'll say this, if the democrat challenge this and try to change the election, i think there would be a bit of a civil war in this country. one other thing, you look back at history, one of richard nixon finest moment was when he did not contest the election in 1960 that may well have been stolen from him. al gore accepted the results after they were confirmed. i think hillary clinton has to step up and accept the results. >> al gore took it a long way. going back to what hillary clinton said on the campaign trail. let meound bite. i'll get jessica to respond. >> donald said a lot of things.
republicans or democrat. it's a direct threat to our democracy. >> this is what played wrong in the election is this holier than thou, how could trump say this? now she is doing just that. >> the clintons are piggy backing on jill stein's effort. i'm not in denial. i know we lost fair and square and i know we have a lot of work to do to do better in 2018 and 2020. it's a difficult argument to make. her lawyers sidestepped and said since it's happening, we'll jump on. i'm more concerned about louisiana. give money to foster campbell. we need that seat. there are things that need to get done. i don't think the outcome will change. would i love to wake tomorrow morning and hillary clinton be president, yeah, but i don't think that will happen. >> you think she's just
piggybacking and how would jill stein just raise $7 million. she didn't raise that money in the whole campaign. >> mrs. clinton was badly beaten and didn't expect to be beaten, i think it looks like a sore loser. it's over 100,000 votes. you're not going to overturn them. they are pretty carefully counted by the time. i think to a certain extent it's a mistake. trump has been pretty generous to her. i think to a certain extent it diminishes her one notch. >> does it provoke him? >> anything can provoke him. i think at the end of the day, it diminishes her a little bit. i think that's the sad part at this point. >> i don't know. steve, do you think anybody is paying attention to that? >> yeah. >> can she be diminished more? she spent 42 years running for president and now she's looking for work again.
>> being a sore loser is not something you want to be. people are taking this seriously in washington. there is some fear in republicans that democrats will find way to steal this election. this is being taken seriously by the political pros and the trump people. i don't think there's anything to this. they will have to turn around three states or something like that to put them in the winning column. that's such a long shot. i wish she would put it to rest. >> to be fair jessica, what is sticking in the craw of democrats is they won the popular vote by two million votes. that's what's upsetting people on the left. they think it's time to rethink the electoral college. >> we said this in 2000. there were people on the right when they thought trump would lose the electoral college and the republicans said it. maybe it's time for that conversation. the margin was small. michigan was under 10,000 votes.
>> pennsylvania is 70,000. >> these are not reagan majorities there. >> our forefathers had the wisdom to create a republic. >> panel is sticking around. the stock market continuing its record setting climb there week as the dow closes an all time high. where will the markets go next with the holiday season under way? our panel will discuss this and more as we look ahead on "sunday morning futures." ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ how else do you think he gets around so fast? take the reins this holiday and get the mercedes-benz
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continues its record-setting rise. the dow and the s&p 500 both soaring over the last few weeks as investors wait to see whether president-elect trump's spending plans will speed up our economic growth and everything else he has planned. the dow rising nearly 69 points friday to close at a record high. so, what's ahead for the markets as we enter the holiday season? we have our panel back with us right now, ed rollins and steve moore. steve, what are the markets are reacting to is the idea of oyou sort of taking the harness off the economy. you know, like the wheels are going to start moving again. you know, with less regulation, lower taxes and an environment that is based on, you know, more practicality than ideology. >> i couldn't agree more. you know, i've been calling if donald's dow. i think the dow is up nearly 1,000 points since the election. the point i would make is that when you look at what donald trump has proposed on tax policy and dramatic reductions in tax
rates and taking the change of regulations off businesses and i think it was on your fox business show a few weeks ago, melissa, i said that we would get five years of 4% growth with a donald trump presidency. and investment markets out there and i think it will continue. >> usually 4% to 2017? >> yeah, i do. i think once you get -- look, we can produce $150 billion more energy every year. our tax plan adds 1% of gdp and getting rid of obama care and so many shackles that once you unleash them, you'll see, i just think you'll see a big boom. >> jessica, looking at the data over the weekend, so, shopping instore was down but that is always expected because people go online. online shopping was up. the market, you know, has been higher through the year. big fwgains for the whole year over all. feels like sentiment is very
positive. >> i even said before we came out here that i feel weirdly optimistic, but i think that also there was a poll that was really meaningful last week that shows of the last four presidencies that americans are more optimistic about the -- a businessman in the white house. . you look at his other policies, they're not overly popular, it's about the economy. >> it's all about jobs and that's clearly those key west states the michigan, ohio, wisconsin were all about jobs and to a certain extent he preached that message. steve moore's plan that is part of the trump's plan is a stimulating plan and lowering corporate taxes and basically getting -- >> you know, it's a tough task. let me push back a little bit because when you're looking at the people who voted for him out of the midwest and people who
are out of work because of oserious changes that have dwgo on in the economy and these people want jobs, they don't want to be retrained. real quick, steve i'll come to you. what are the odds you can get these people back? >> big corporations are not going to come back and smaller businesses and being able to borrow money and not pay this enormous taxes. my sense is that there are a lot of people out there. >> steve, real quick, last word. how does he create jobs for those people whose jobs have disappeared? >> well, through the things i just said, but i think you nailed it, melissa. donald trump will be really regarded in four years based on whether he is able to revitalize those very yaareas that voted f him so heavily. that's where we've got to have our economic development. >> that will be interesting. we'll be watching close. still to come, the one thing to watch for in the week ahead on "sunday morning futures."
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we are back with our panel. what is the one thing to watch for this week. >> the treasury secretary appointment and they are sure to come out this week. >> jessica, what about you? >> all about the appointments. i'm looking at who he is putting in place to execute these kind of policies and i'm curious about ben carson and this hud appointment. he thinks he's qualified for something. i want to say i'm concerned about our inner cities, obviously. >> steve, what do you think? what is your one thing? >> i would say on treasury, steve who worked with me on that tax plan possibly jeb henserling or a democrat, melissa, jamie i
di diomin. >> i'll also watching those sales numbers. thanks so much. that does it for us here on "sunday futures." e with -- and intense. >> thank you so much. >> believe me. his campaign was unlike any other. ♪ >> when mexico sends its people, they're not sending their best. they're bringing drugs. they're bringing crime. they're rapists. >> and he was written off as soon as he began. >> the republican party is not going to nominate donald trump. >> i think this is a stunt for attention. >> yet, overlooked americans were getting on board. >> i hope he can save my job. >> we need someone to take a sledgeham tore this [ bleep ]. >> and in the end donald trump beat the odds. >> this election year's not about ideology. it is about insurgency.