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cae usthe time to think about tomorrow is today. >> welcome to "the journal editorial report". i am a paul gigot. first up, the mueller probe one year later. the first year anniversary of the appointment of the special counsel. investigate allegations of russian interference in the 2016 election and possible collusion between the kremlin and trump associates. the probe has expanded to include obstruction of justice to payments to an adult film star. president trump referencing the one-year mark thanks
congratulations america, we are now into the second year of the greatest witchhunt in american history. there is still no collusion and no obstruction. the only collusion was that done by democrats were unable to win an election despite the spending of far more money. let's bring in wall street journal columnist deputy editor dan hettinger. and, straw so who's been following the mueller probe from the start. dan, tim, let's step back and a year later. break down what we know and what we don't. let's start with the russian collusion aspect of this. what have we learned about the collusion story? >> let's start with the beginning. it began in january 2017. one the american press began to report the possibility of collusion. a word we've used millions of times. a very big word. between the term campaign and the russians. >>paul: have we found any evidence of that since mueller started? >> again, the idea would be the
trump campaign colluded with the russians actively to affect the campaign. we have no proof of that in particular. further contacts between the russians and individuals associated with the term campaign, carter page, george papadopoulos. yes, i think we know that. but in terms of the core of the campaign, no. we also know the russians as they did in european elections were using the internet, bots and sites to feed fake news into the american election by and large on behalf of trump. >>paul: we know for example there was a meeting between donald trump jr. that he had in 2016 with some russians talking about the mechanics to the- - a. that transcript was released and that didn't seem to go anywhere as far as developing
content beyond that with the russians that we know of. >> none whatsoever. this was from senator grassley's committee. they put out a transcript of all the interviews they've done.all of them had the same recollection of events which was that this lawyer held up the prospect that the russians had dirt on hillary clinton. donald trump jr. inviting them to their office. they ended up talking about russian adoption so nothing there either.>>paul: we have the guilty pleas from michael flynn and george papadopoulos. they pleaded guilty to lying to the fbi. they are cooperating. we don't know what they're telling mueller.perhaps there telling him about some grants conspiracy. so far, we haven't seen evidence of it. >> there's been four major indictments or guilty pleas of
paul manafort and rick gates, michael flynn and george papadopoulos. the two latter as you mentioned are for lying. one of them is in doubt as to whether michael flynn lied to the fbi given recent evidence that's been released about the fbi agents that interviewed him. rick gates and paul manafort are being indicted for work they did years before president trump decidedfor to run for the presidency. none of this again related to russian collusion. >>paul: we are seeing the special prosecutor wandering far from the original russian story. as kim said, metaphor and gates really indicted for their ties to ukraine and doing business with ukraine. now it's moved to michael cohen and the payments to stormy daniels for her silence.and now looking into his finances. does the latter pose a significant potential risk for president trump?
>> no question. he's a special prosecutor. we have had experience with independent counsel going back into the reagan years and there - - is open-ended to look at any criminality. what is going on here now as he is basically doing a top to bottom audit of the trump campaign. >>paul: not just the campaign but really the whole trump business interests and cohen's business interests. >> right. the likelihood is if you did this to anybody running for high office, you would find the possibility of some crimes there somewhere. there are lots of ways you can break the law and american politics. but this mueller investigation has gone far field and the question is is there going to be an endpoint on it? where does it stop and there's a circle that can be drawn around the. >>paul: i don't think frankly there is. pretty much wherever mueller
wants to take it. the other point i want to talk about is obstruction of justice for firing james comey. in my own view, this is the least credible area for investigation because it's on the record what he did. he fired someone that worked for him. he has control over his executive officials. you can't charge a president for obstructing for doing the job the constitution says he is responsible for doing. >> not only that, if you go and look at those infamous comey memos now that they've been released, you're the president on record encouraging jim comey to get to the bottom of this russian collusion story. do a full investigation. the only transcript from the former fbi director shows no evidence of ill intent behind us and we should take the president and his legal team at
their word that they did fire mr. comey in part because of his mishandling of the clinton probe and other events at the fbi. >>paul: still ahead, did the fbi spy on the trump campaign? what we learned about the government's top secret source or sources. leo, i know i'm late. oh! my wallet! card lock from capital one. instantly lock your credit card. in case it goes... arrivederci. mona! that smile. technology this convenient... could make history. what's in your wallet?
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had used electronic surveillance on one campaign member. now actually using an informant is a pretty big deal that requires a lot of authorization. i think it's a stunning fact to many americans the idea that the fbi was out there using informants on an active presidential campaign. i think it also matters because the department of justice was so unwilling to hand this information over to intelligence committee chairman devin nunes and instead people leaked it to the number of times to get ahead of that news when he finally does force that information out. >>paul: the story put a positive spin on the whole fbi effort. they bent over backwards to not be political about it. send over backwards to give the trump campaign the benefit of the doubt. do you think, just think back a bit. over the course of your career. can you think of a time when the fbi or a law enforcement branch of the united states government was eavesdropping on the presidential campaign?
>> i have no recollection of that happening. i think in this case what we have learned is that this began in early 2016. that somehow the fbi picked up contacts between possibly the russians and possibly carter page and george papadopoulos. these guys are so far out on the periphery of the trump campaign. now, i can understand the fbi legitimately saying, something is happening here. we're going to look into it. fast forward and you bring this to 2017, the investigation is still sitting at the level of george papadopoulos and carter page. there was a point in which you would think the epi have either fish or cut bait on this. why did it get to the point where it grew into what we are dealing with now? the possibility they continue to investigate the trump campaign. >>paul: the fascinating thing is this seems not to matter to most of our colleagues in the press.it's as if, so what,
they had this obligation to do this and look into this. but i find it astonishing. if the tables were turned. and this had been done say to the obama campaign in 2008 by the bush presidency, i think it would have been a huge scandal at the time. >> yes. two points here. the levels we need to hit to justify opening a counterintelligence investigation, much less one against a presidential campaign are huge. i don't think there's any question the fbi failed to hit them and opened one anyway. i think what we need to understand which makes this all the more outrageous. which is why you do not want law enforcement engaging in things like this in an election. the fbi likes to insulate from politics. jim comey has been careful to say he's above all that. people that were involved in this and engaged in the
decision to use informants and to wiretap people were obama justice department employees. that's a different and more shocking spin on this bid you had in essence an opposing party monitoring a presidential election. >>paul: go ahead dan. >> keep in mind, after trump won the election, there was conventional wisdom among his opponents that donald trump was unfit to be president of the united states. people were in a state of panic over the fact that this man had become the president of the united states including the press. thought they could do anything outside the bounds of reason regulations. i don't know what they were trying to do because he had won the election. it made no sense at that point to keep trying to undermine trump's ascension to the presidency. >>paul: we see emerging by the
trump legal team what they call a more aggressive strategy. to take on robert muellerto say that there's nothing there. they're fighting perhaps an appearance to speak to him , to have the presidency down with him. what do you make of this tougher line? >> i think it's the right way to go because what you do need with a special counsel as we mentioned in the last segment, they have a tendency to go off reservation. if the target or the people there interacting with don't push back some, there really is no restraint anywhere. at least from a tactical standpoint, that is the right way to go. i'm not quite sure about this decision to sit down with mueller, i believe the legal team is of the thought that until that happens, this probe doesn't endand they feel it sho and in order to hasten its end. but i think there's great legal peril for the president and sitting down and potentially let off and trapped into perjuring himself. >>paul: rudy giuliani says he has heard from the mueller camp
that mueller has concluded he cannotindict the president while he's in office for any crime. but that suggests any information he has will be tossed to the congress for potential impeachment . >> january if the president asked him was adjusting, does not sit down with mueller, he might go the route of trying to subpoena the president which could pitch it forward to a supreme court case which would run into next year. the question is, does the trump white house want to have them sit down and get this over with before the end of the year. >>paul: still alone many months to go on this investigation. president trump setting his site on vulnerable democrats
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sights on verbal democrats in his effort to protect the gop's senate majority. joe mansion is setting up to be his top target this fall. the president told senators in a closed-door meeting on capitol hill this week that he plans to spend significant time campaigning against manchin. republicans are not just hoping to maintain their 51-49 seat majority in november but perhaps, pick up a few seats as well. colorado senator cory gardner is the man in charge of that effort. he's chairman of the national republican senatorial committe . >> thank you for having me. >>paul: mitch mcconnell, your majority leader warned republicans that this is going
to be a real fight to keep the senate majority. how precarious do you feel it is? >> if you go by historical standards, the midterm losses. when it shares the majority with the white house and the party of the white house can be substantial. but nothing really has followed history over the past couple years with the election of this president and some of the things that's been accomplished. i don't see why we should start following history. i feel optimistic about this election cycle. >>paul: the one reason if you have that big playing field in states where there are democrats running that donald trump won. you've got to pick up a couple of those seats, don't you? i see you in trouble perhaps in nevada, arizona, open seat. that could be a tossup and then tennessee wherethe democrats is the ãis ahead right now. >> when schumer talks about
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that something that people in nevada very much came about. >>paul: let's look at arizona because you have a primary there. - - running. joe arpelar. can they win if they come out of that primary? >> i think what will happen is mark mc sally leading in the primary right now goes on to win the general election. i think she's the one that wins the primary. joe arpaio i don't think has viability in the election. they don't care what washington things and that's why you see the polls the way you do. >>paul: my view of your best pick up chances would be north dakota, indiana and probably west virginia. do you agree with that? >> i think you throw misery into that mix. >>paul: on a couple points ahead. >> it is but missouri is a
state that donald trump county. it has significant support today for the president.every young candidate there was an outstanding representative for the people of missouri. i do think this will be an incredible battleground for us. west virginia will be an opportunity. i joked earlier this week that i think president trump would get residency in west virginia if he could. he loves it. he will be there a lot. >>paul: build a trump tower here. >>. [laughter] >>paul: those are your first four pickups. >> i think into this mix of course you have to throw a state like florida where public polls have shown rick scott ahead 44-40. this would be a horse race state. it's always tough in florida. but nobody has campaigned like rick scott. nobody is campaigning like rick scott right now. he's on the air with significant resources against basically nothing.
he's a tireless advocate for florida. people have seen that through tragedies they've had whether it's a school shooting or hurricanes. his response has been overwhelmingly supportive of the people of florida. >>paul: i pick up concern amongst your colleagues that the senate isn't doing much between now and november. not a lot scheduled. a beer budget, confirmations, but not much else. that hasn't worked well in the past. i wonder if that's the right strategy to energize voters which you need in november. >> i think we remind voters of what's been accomplished. we passed significant tax cuts for the first time in 30 years. a chance to see rising wages and fewer taxes going to washington. we've cut $80 billion worth of regulations. we found bipartisan legislation to make sure we have life-saving drugs to the marketplace faster. we've increased military efforts and resources and spending. then of course the federal judges and judiciary. >>paul: you list all that.
people say, what have you done for me lately? campaigns are about the future. when you pick some fights? policy fights that people say it's worth me going to the polls. >> we remind voters what we have done but then we have to lay groundwork for what we would do and continue to do in the future. you are exactly right. i guess the best example is going back to harry reid in 2014. he decided he wasn't going to vote on anything because he wanted to protect his members. it didn't work out well as a result. think you'll see republicans move forward with an agenda that continues to focus on economic growth and opportunity. whether that's budget issues, budget reform, continuation of tax cuts. making tax cuts permanent. making sure we focus on working families. those kinds of opportunities. more than anything, we have to show the american people we continue to fight for them.
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much-anticipated summit between president trump and kim jong-u . a statement published saying the u.s. must stop insisting that the north and unilaterally abandon its nuclear program. president trump taking a wait-and-see approach to the meeting currently scheduled for june 12 in singapore. >> we will see what happens. if the meeting happens, it happens. if it doesn't, we go on to the next step. >>paul: we are back with dan hettinger, tim stossel and mary console in london. mary, you worked in asia for many years. what you make of the north korean machinations this week? >> this is north korea's mo. this is what they always do when the united states offers to come to the negotiation table. they are testing president trump. i think he was right to say we'll keep the maximum pressure
campaign on and we'll see what happens. but we don't have to have a meeting if they're not serious about denuclearization. i think that's the right approach. >>paul: today think they have the whip hand here in saying we think president trump is showing he wants the summit so much that we can gain something by threatening to withdraw. >> yes, i think that's right. i also think the north korean economy isn't under as much pressure as the trump administration may think. - - said that there's been a bit of a revival there. so the white house is counting on the fact that kim jong-un is desperate to come for talks but he's starting to forge a closer relationship with china.a country that's propped him up for years. he's been meeting recently with the head of china, xi jinping, and it looks like they're coming up with a formula that the united states will not
agree to. they want step-by-step denuclearization instead of verifiable deed organization. that's a pretty wide gap. again, i think the north is testing trump to see if he'll cave before the talks. >>paul: maybe the north putting some distance between south korea and the united states. they have said, don't continue the exercises. now we see reports that in fact the u.s. and south korea have canceled part of the exercises involving b-52s. >> apparently at south korea's request which does suggest that kim jong-un has managed to drive a wedge between the south koreans and the united states. i think donald trump magnum opus is the art of the deal. i think kim jong-un has been reading the korean translation of that book. that is what's going on here.
we all got excited because tim suggested he might be interested in talking about denuclearization. then we get the commitment to do this meeting june 12 in singapore at which point, kim starts and i've got problems. but he's got the president committed to going to singapore. i was very struck that president trump said maybe the meeting will happen, maybe it won't. what is the big part in my mind. the president of the united states cannot go to singapore and come back empty-handed. there has to be more substance than that. >>paul: you don't think he can do that. >> i think it's unthinkable. it would be described as a monumental political failure. >>paul: the other thing that's really fascinating is the north koreans really zoned in on john bolton.for suggesting the model for north korea is a so-called, libya model which refers to the 2003 decision by libya to give up its nuclear
weapons program. lock stock and barrel without any concessions on the other side from the united states. why are they targeting bolton? >> because that's exactly what they don't want to have to do as mary was saying. they'd rather ease into this. maybe a step-by-step approach with limits on where it ultimately finishes. mr. bolton has been from anything the libya model is what the trump administration wants to pursue. you get rid of it all, you let others come in and see it. they are pushing back. they in their statement mentioned him by name. that he causes them great consternation. in essence said get rid of this guy. it would be a huge mistake for president trump to do that. this is his third national security advisor. he's only been on the job a few weeks and he's good at what he does. i think the north koreans are trying to flatter the president some.
hold out the prospect of that nobel peace prize but president trump has much more to gain by listening to advisors like bolton about how tough it needs to be. >>paul: it sounded as if the president was contradicting john bolton at least once this week when he was asked at the white house at a public event and the president said well, libya is not our model. of course the press ran with that and said - - suggested he would lose his nobel prize if he took bolton's advice. >> i don't know how much the nobel prize is worth given it was awarded to president obama. the president was talking about something different than what john bolton was talking about. john bolton was talking about how libya d2the two arise the b
>> that the way this will work. we know from history the north koreans aren't sincere. the only way we know they will be sincere is if they let those inspectors in and do what we did in libya which is physically take this stuff out of the country. >>paul: still ahead, amazon is questioning its future in the city of seattle. after a vote for a new tax on big business. [fbi agent] you're a brave man, mr. stevens. your testimony will save lives. mr. stevens? this is your new name. this is your new house. and a perfectly inconspicuous suv. you must become invisible. [hero] i'll take my chances.
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require any company grows more than $20 million a year to pay - - for every employee. the company is estimated to raise $48 million. amazon, which had caused planning on to downtown seattle office towers, pending the outcome of the vote said on monday it would resume construction on just one of those projects. a spokesperson said the tax forced the company to question our growth here. quote, the city does not have a revenue problem. it has a spending efficiency problem. we are highly concerned whether the councils and efficiency will change for the better. we are back with - - alicia, a head tax. isn't that a tax on hiring workers?>> that's exactly it. they tried to impose an income tax last year and that was 2.25 percent on workers.
washington does not have a state income tax. it'sthey call that unconstitutional. >>paul: advance cities and municipalities from overdosing one. >> so they tried to impose a head tax and basically it's a tax on jobs. >>paul: which doesn't make sense if you want jobs in the city, dan. >> it doesn't make sense but in a way it does. because i think what's going on here is that seattle, like the state of oregon and other states has a big problem with its public pension obligations. oregon has been described as one of the states that does have difficulty meeting is public pension obligations. a lot of states have that problem. now the rubber is hitting the
road. fittings are coming back on public services and that i think is exact what happened to seattle. >>paul: mary, there's a competition going on where amazon is looking for a second headquarters. 20 states have made the cut and are trying to whittle it down. will this have an effect on that contest? >> it certainly showed, paul. as a full radiant, i kind of love that seattle is doing this because it will drive more jobs to my beautiful home state that has low taxes and is very welcoming to businesses. as we said in our editorial this week, amazon should just cross seattle off the list along with every other city like austin and denver that piped up and supported this mess. >>paul: alicia, a lot of different cities, some of them even wrote to amazon in saying, don't be the bully. don't fight this. that's not what you should do.
but amazon wasn't alone.there are a lot of other businesses, even microsoft spoke up and said this is not the way to get growth in the city. >> i think that's right. over 300 businesses wrote to the city council saying, this will hurt growth. even the trade unions wrote then you will tax away our jobs. the way to create a regulatory environment with low tax that help create jobs. >>paul: what about other cities competing? do you see any favorites emerging at all from amazon? >> i think austin and denver may have been favorites.they spoke up supporting the tasks so maybe not so much now. >>paul: dan? >> a lot of the cities see amazon as a cash cow. just a source of revenue for
their revenue needs rather than an engine of growth as amazon has suggested. i think scales are falling from the eyes from liberal oriented companies like amazon. >>paul: the ceo is well known as a man of the left of center. but he's above all, a businessman. a ceo who wants success.do you think it's possible he could say, we will do what ge did with connecticut. moved to boston and move out of seattle. >> absolutely. i'm glad you raise connecticut because i think there's a belief among some democratic lawmakers that you can just raise taxes as much as you want and later as much red tape on business and nothing will happen. it's just to find to extort money and there are no consequences. but this is the real world. jeff bezos has to be responsive
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remembering tom wolfe. the author of the right stuff and bonfire of the vanities. died this week at the age of 80. roger kimball is the publisher of the new criterion and - -. welcome roger. what do you think the enduring legacy of tom wolfe as a journalist and a novelist is? >> i think he had, have a great legacy really. his fundamental theme in both his novels and his journalism
was about the baneful effects of the transformation of moral ideas. into imperative fashion accessories. what i mean by that, he saw how fashion when elevated into a moral imperative, was both trivializing but also domineering and tyrannical and exclusionary. >>paul: give us illustrations? >> for example, in his famous essay, radical chic from 1970. the centerpiece of which is a party at lenny bernstein's house, a famous conductor. they miss supporter of left-wing causes. this is a party for the black panthers. they are a distant memory but they were a murderous group of self-declared revolutionaries who wanted to create their own country within a country and
they embraced violence in there that day's ms-13. >>paul: here's a scene with them at a manhattan salon. >> it's bernstein's 30 room duplex - - avenue apartment. little cheese balls - - >>paul: mmm, these are good. [laughter] >> it seems funny in retrospect that we now realize what tom wolfe understood that this kind of trivialization had very bad effects. because what it did is it made many moral ideas into silly clubs with which to be your enemies. so we see it today. we see on campuses today. you can't wear a certain halloween costume. you can't even utter the word
of a certain halloween costume whether it's a sombrero, it's considered to be politically incorrect. tom wolfe would not be able to write that essay today. >>paul: that i wanted to ask you about because it's something i've been thinking about. radical chic was the sacred cows of the day. radical politics in the 60s. he took on a lot of other sacred cows across his career and he did for magazines now that would be considered center of left magazines. esquire - - you don't think he would be able to do that. >> i am absolutely convinced he wouldn't. he was insufficiently reverent about the rating pieties of his day which is what made his journalism so delicious. >>paul: especially for young people. he loved it. >> i remember when i first read tom wolfe in high school i saw, i've never seen anything like
this.it was revealing because he was very accurate in his sociology. he studied this stuff. he got the cheese balls, the silver shelters. what people were wearing and how they comported themselves. what they wanted to be like. he really understood that. he had his finger on the pulse but was able to translate it in this unbelievably unveiling throws. that was crackled with energy and insight. >>paul: today you couldn't do that because - - >> that's right. for example, he deliberately and provocatively kept referring to the black panthers as negroes. already in 1970, you weren't supposed to do that. you were supposed to call them blacks. that would have been blind instantly by his editor at new york magazine. if you continue down that path,
you can use this word.>>paul: that was used in a lot of circles at the time. >> he talks about the way negro had been replaced by black and that was the politically correct thing to say. that's just one example. he wouldn't be able to discuss the things he discussed in the irreverent answer. the way he did discuss them because of political correctness. the satire is important because effective satire depends on a horizon of shared values that you are appealing to to contrast with the satire. tom wolfe's shared values he was appealing to for essentially bourgeois and that is what the radical chic movement was all against. they didn't want to be bourgeois. >>paul: we have to take one more break. when we come back, hits and when we come back, hits and misses of thi got scar tissue t. same thing with any dent or dings on this truck. they all got a story about what happened to 'em. i could feel the barb wire was just
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time not for our hits and misses of the week. kim starts off. >> this is a hit to senate majority leader mitch mcconnell who this week confirmed for more of the presidents nominees to appeals court bringing the total number 21. that is twice the number that president obama had got confirmed at this point in his first term and it comes despite extraordinary obstruction from senate democrats. this project of remaking the federal courts constitutionally sound judges will be mr. mcdonald's and the presidents most enduring legacy. >> mary? >> despite being in britain, i am not going to get a hit to harry and megan and the royal wedding. i'm getting a hit to gina haspel who was confirmed this week to be the first female director of the central intelligence agency. women now run the department of education, transportation, homeland security, the cia, our delegation to the united
nations, the white house, press office, and probably forgetting something else. for a president who reportedly doesn't like women, president trump sure points them to high places. >> alicia? >> this is a hit to the supreme court which this week ruled unconstitutional 1992 law that prohibited allowing gambling on sports events. this is being depicted as opening the gates to gambling everywhere but actually it is intended to help protect liberty on the constitution. and it is big for federalism. >> dan? >> a big hit to the children's scholarship fund the just celebrated his 20th anniversary. this was the fund started by john walt of walmart. and -- each putting a $50 million for poor kids to go to private schools or parochial schools rather than the poor schools in their neighborhood.