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"strange inheritance." and remember -- you can't take it with you. [ crowd cheering ] show show. fox & friends.com. there's more to the story. maria: good sunday morning thanks for joining us new details emerging about a letter president trump's legal team sent to special counsel robert mueller. the june 12 summit between president trump and kim jong-un is back on and the strong jobs report raising hopes for republicans ahead of the mid-term elections. even as concerns loom about a showdown with key u.s. trading partners, good morning i'm maria bartiromo. thans so much for joining us this morning this is sunday morning futures. the white house sparked an international backlash by slapping tariffs on the eu, canada and mexico as another round of trade talks between the u.s. and china ends, with a warning from beijing. and president trump emphatically declares america must be treated
fairly on trade. white house director of trade policy peter nav will join me momentarily live and made the case for special counsel robert mueller arguing in a letter sent back in january why the president cannot be subpoenaed we'll get reaction from chairman of the house intelligence committee devon nunes on that and comments made about the russia probe by his republican colleague congressman trey gowdy also former house speaker newt gingrich is here on the htoric summit between the president and north korean leader kim jong-un sched just nine days from right now. unemployment did reach its lowest level in 18 years after a spectacular may jobs report out on friday. how will this affect the mid-term elections our panel weighs in as we look ahead right now on sunday morning futures. and new reaction this morning regarding president trump's decision to implement tariffs targeting some of our closest
allies. the decision not sitting well with members of the g7 summit who issued a joint statement, rongly condemning the measu meanwhile there is talk of retaliation from the european union from canada and mexico. president trump is defending the move despite the global backlash , he tweeted yesterday, unfair trade practices can no longer be tolerated a the u.s. must be treated fairly going forward. i'm joined right now by member of the administration, peter navarro is the white house director of trade policy good to see you thanks for joining us. >> good morning maria. maria: so what's your reaction to what we've heard thisor and this weekend from canada, france, germany, the uk, italy and japan, who all collectively issued a joint statement excluding the u.s. conveying their unanimous concern and disappointment on these tariffs. are you expecting dollar for dollar retaliation? >> i'm not worried about reaction. what we have here is president donald j. trump taking an action that he promised on the campaign
trail back in june of 2016 to defend our aluminum and steel duries from going out of bune and extinction as the president has said, we need aluminum steel industries if we'll have a country and the problem that we have maria is that we've got 20 countries including all that you mentioned flooding our markets with steel putting 50,000 steelworkers out of business in the last decade, we have 15 countries flooding our markets with aluminum, driving that industry to near distinction, and all we're doing here, all we're doing here all the president is doing is defend ing this country's national security sovereignty and economic security from the flood of imports. what we expect is our allies, friends, partners to understand two things. one, that we have the right to do that in the interest of national security and two, they need to look in the mirror at their own unfair trade practices for example, europe, we try to
sell a car over there, europe charges us a high vat tax and 10 % tariff. they want to sell it here we give them a 2.5% tariff. that's not fair. canada just kicks us, kicks us on lumber and puts people out of work and they kick us on dairy puts people out of work in wisconsin so these are our friends they're our allies, we engage strategically with them, but at the end of the, this is a trade dispute and the president is going to defend this country. he stands for american workers, and he's standing up for them now. maria: those american workers are also wdering why they're seeing joblessness, why they're seeing an impact to the very states that voted for donald trump for this last election. are you worried that the very areas that this president is targeting aluminum and steel are going to be the states that actually see higher prices and
perhaps job losses? >> so in light of friday's jobs report, which the new york times apparently ran out of superlativ e describing the height of spend to suggest there could be any unemployment. look there's been seven times, seven times since 1970 since the unemployment rate has been reported under 4% and the last two quarters was for this presidency. we have a disproportion at amount of the new jobs being created in manufacturing, we have investment off the charts. this economy is so strong that nobody should be worried about any of the spend that anybodies saying. this is a story that's truly remarkable and donald j. trump has brought in tax cuts, deregulation and trade policies that are working for the american working people and guess what? on friday, they opened a
$1.5 billion groundbreaking aluminum rolling mill in ashland , kentucky. why is that important? it's the heart of appalachia and that's the part of poverty and startin salary at that plant is going to be $65,000 in a community where the average median household income is $44,000, well below the national average. maria: all very good news. >> no president has brought the war on poverty better than donald j. trump. african american unemployment and hispanic employment is at record lows so all this idea about people worried about los ing their jobs not going to happen. maria: because we haven't seen the impact of these tariffs yet that's precisely why i bring up this point. i mean, i recognize what the president and the administration has done in terms of triggering economic growth, animal spirits once again, the federal reserve just said that we're looking at 4.7% growth for the second quarter, things are good, but the point is once you actually
see these higher tariffs and these countries our allies by the way fight back and raise their tariffs that's only going to increase prices is it not? it's going to force producers to actuly increase their prices and ultimately fall on the consumer so how much of a threat are these taxes going to have in terms of cutting into economic growth and the very strong growth that we've seen? >> so i guess my point here would be that we've already seen the impacts of the tariffs. remember, we imposed tariffs on solar panels and dishwashers many months ago. donald j. trump had the courage and vision to do that. we haven't seen any of these dire consequences you mentioned. all we've seen is addition all new investment in two industries which are critical in terms of creating well paying jobs for working men and women in this country, so what i would say to the american people is they listen to the spin. they have to understand that the spin out there among the intelligence and the elite is that we should keep doing what we've been doing for the last 15
years and as donald j. trump said in a tweet yesterday, we lose close to 800 billion a year and the trade war we lost that long ago because the failure of the courage and leadership of the people like barack obama, george bh,nd bl clinton who by the way, got us into both nafta and china into the wto, which are the two worst deals in american history so what we're doing, the president he just is amazing when he looks at the chessboardment. every single economic indicator, consumer confidence up, business confidence up, fixed investment double what it was. maria: but we're looking ahead and trying to understand what the impact is. i want to get to china, so give me a moment though but first on canada, before we can move on to china. canada has already said justin trudeau came out and said we're going to match dollar-for-dollar is this more about nafta or the same issue as the other countries because you're making a national security issue here. where is the national security
with canada? >> so the national security issue is not about canada o china or turkey or any other country that has aluminum or steel. naonal security issue is a flood ofmports from 20 countries that are putting orale steel business out of business so the national security issue is basically us looking outward, defending ourselves against that flood of imports so that these industries can thrive and guess what? the day those tariffs were announced, granite city, illinois the u.s. steel announced that plant would be reopened, in kentucky there was a plant that day, century aluminum, $150 billion worth of new investmt and modernization so all of this is working, thi is not aimed at any of the countries that those tariffs are put upon. they're not aimed at those. they're simply defending our industries and we just have to keep making that point and keep working with our allies. now on the nafta thing, maria,
it's very important. there's no connection at all. none whatsoever between the actions taken on the tariffs and the nafta negotiations. there are two separate matters, the nafta negotiations have been going on for many months now and they're continuing. there's opportunities of people on all sides that sit around tables trying to work that out. maria: so if there is a new nafta deal will the president remove these tariffs from mexico and canada then? >> these are two separate unrelated events. maria: but no the answer is no? >> and should be treated as such. they're two unrelated events and guess what there's only two things that will happen with the nafta renegotiations. either we're going to get a deal for the american people that basically reduces the trade deficit with mexico and then allows us to build more factories here, or we're going to leave nafta. the option of staying in the status quo won't hold and that's a problem. the status quo on trade whether it's with china, with nafta,
with the europeans, it just isn't working for the american people. they beat us because they don't play fair. they hav higher tariffs than we do, higher non-tariff barriers and this president, it takes courage and vision to stand up to the swamp here. maria: and it takes courage to stand up to china i get that because here is the headline of the morning in terms of china i'm reading an article right now that says china says all trade progress is off if the u.s. imposes these tariffs. are we willing to throw away the relationship we have with china to push tariffs and restrictions on the country? >> well let's look at the relationship we have with china. we have a $371 billion trade deficit in goods which basically ships off 2 million manufacturing jobs to china every year. that's not so good. we had general mattis talking about the activity in the south china sea with respect to china building up the artificial
islands and of course the big issue that we're fighting the president is fighting with the ambassadors threat of our crown jewel of technology. they take our technology maria. everybody knows they steal it but they force the transfer of it, evade our export control and coming here, chinese, state- owned enterprise coming here with bags full of money and buying up places like silicon valley, so that's a relationship with china that's structure alley needs to change. we'd love to have a peaceful and friendly relationship with china , but we also are standing firm on the idea and the president is the lder on this. maria: how far are you willing to go, peter? china wants to take its companies public on the floor of the new york stock exchange. are you going to pushback if they don't stop stealing and say you can't even take your companies public in new york? >> see, i'm not the right person to ask on that. donald j. trump is the president , i'm part of a large trade team that interacts with all of the agencies.
we sit in places like the situation room and talk. maria: right i understand. >> about how it's going to go. maria: but you're trying to stop china from stealing intellectual property. peter they don't even admit it. they say they don't do it so how do you change a situation where you can't even get them to agree they are in fact stealing ip? >> well, we have in motion the president has said that come june 15, there will be targeted tariffs on the china 2025 high-tech industries of the future they're trying to take from us and they will set investment restrictions on june 30 to prevent them from coming in and buying companies that are in things in like artificial intelligence and robotics which by the way are not only the industries of our economic future, but they're also the industries that are very important in military. maria: i get that, yes. >> so the president is taking measured, thoughtful, strategic steps. this started again back in june
of 2016 where he said in pittsburgh that he would crackdown on china intellectual property. he's doing what he said promises made and promises kept. maria: peter good to have you on the program thanks so much. president trump is doubling down on claims that the fbi meanwhile crossed the line when using an informant to investigate his campaign and ties to russia. house intelligence committee chairman devon nunes will join us next. follow me on twitter at maria bartiromo at sunday morning futures, he's up next as we look ahead on sunday morning futures back in a minute. [music playing] (vo) from day one, we always came through for our customers. it's how we earned your trust. until... we lost it.
maria: welcome back a letter to robert mueller from president trump's attorneys pushes back on a potential subpoena for the president's testimony in the special counsel's russia investigation. this 20-page letter dated january 29 argues that the white house and transition team have already handed over documents related to the investigation, and that the president cannot be forced to testify.
lawmakers also claim president trump cannot obstruct justice, since he h absolute authority overall federal investigations. house ins committee chairman devon nunes is joining me from the world ag expo in california and conessman nunes is also a member of the house ways and means committee congressman good to see you thanks for joining us mr. chairman. >> great to be with you as always, thank you. maria: i want to ask you about this letter in a moment but first i've got to ask you about one of your colleagues, congressman trey gowdy and his remarks recently on fox news, when he spoke with our own martha mccallum. you've been joining us now for several weeks over the last year as you continue to investigate, what it was that launched the fbi's investigation into trump potential collusion with russia. is that right? >> yeah, that's correct and i think that mr. gowdy's comments that he made earlier -- maria: we're going to show those comments. first, i just wanted to make
sure that your investigation is looking into how that investigation launched so here is what trey gowdy said to martha just lasteek. i am even more convinced that the fbi did exactly what my fellow citizens would want them to do, when they got the inrmation they got, and that it has nothing to do with donald trump. maria: congressman, what does trey gowdy say there? >> well, what he's really talking about there is that trey gowdy believes that he has been told multiple times by the department of justice that donald trump, president trump is not a target of this investigation. he believes he's been told that multiple times so he comes to the conclusion, well if they were only going after russians if the fbi was only going after russians and donald trump's not a target of this investigation then what is all this about? and so the mainstream media continues to ignore that piece that mr. gowdy i think has clearly said now on multiple occasions but was very clear about it last week, in that president trump is not a target of this investigation, in his
own mind. now you have to remember that mr. gowdy loves the fbi and the department of justice. i think all americans want to have a good department of justice and fbi doing their job, and if they're targeting russian s or chinese or what have you that's what we expect them to do; however the challenge we have in this is if they actually targeted a political campaign that was donald trump and that's where i think that even though mr. gowdy believes that the president is not a target of this investigation, his campaign is and i think that's where the challenge occurs. maria: so do you think then that the fbi did the right thing in terms of investigating the campaign, looking for russia interference? >> well you know, mr. gowdy has , you know, under what he's heard, he believes the fbi was doing the right thing and do you know what could solve this? for a year we've been waiting almost a year now we've been waiting for documents for the deputy attorney general so deputy attorney general
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maria: an we are back with house intel committee chairman devon nunes and mr. chairman you were just saying a moment ago that we could clear all of this up this week if you were to review the documents are you telling us you have yet to see the document that you've requested from the department of justice which gives you a timeline into how this investigation into the trump campaign started? >> that is correct, so last august, we issued a subpoena, which should have been provided all of this information that we've been asking for over and over and over again we issued a new subpoena and so now we've
been waiting. we've attended two briefings, they were very small briefings not a lot of information but we were happy it was progress, and we believe that there are some documents information that we will review this week. what i would say is if you don't have anything to hide, the deputy attorney general knows that mr. gowdy would love to exonerate the department of justice and the fbi so just provide us all the documents, everything that we're asking for let us come all the way through it and we'll issue a letter on friday and we'll be done with this and we'll be able to say look, the department of justice and fbi did nothing wrong. there was no fisa abuse that occurred here, there was no issue of opening a counter intelligence investigation into a campaign. there was no issue with looking at how that investigation was opened, if there was any intelligence that was actually used to open this investigation we'd like to see it because we have yet so see it. those are all outstanding questions not to mention the questionable timeline of the
briefings that we have had where we know that the counter intelligence investigation was opened in late july. well that's fine, so if that's all the information you have, then why are there these other strange activities leading up to late july particularly in the spring? maria: i'm just trying to understand this because you broke the news on this program more than a month ago that you've looked for reasons and catalysts to understand how an investigation was opened and launched into the trump campaign and you said to us based on the five eyes intelligence of all of our partners across the world that there was no intelligence that you could find that was launched that investigation and yet, here you have your colleague, trey gowdy saying the fbi did the right thing so i'm trying to understand where the disconnect is. >> well, i think on what trey gowdy is saying, we've got to be very careful because the media has tried to make a bigger deal about this than what it is. what trey gowdy is specifically
talking about is this small slice of the investigation that we're looking at as it relates to whether or not informants, an informant or informants were used. that's what he's referring to, what he talks about that the president is not a target of this investigation. i believe that mr. gowdy knows very well and he's been instrumental in helping us get to the bottom of the fisa abuse that did occur. that is absolutely for sure. maria: right. the dossier was used to get a fisa warrant. >> yes, and there's new information actually this week that the media is ignoring, so the new york times has reported in the past that the australian ambassador, australian high commissioner is the one that brought this to the attention of the united states government, now, typically that would have gone through fbi channels, it would have went through the embassy in london and came across officially. maria: and it didn't. >> across the pond officially and it didn't and that's what we would have liked to have seen. now this week we now know that
mr. downer the former australian woman as adore the high commissioner inland on said he had g the information to the australian ambassador in the u.s.. well we now know that's not true , so mr. downer now has claimed that in an australian newspaper but we now know from sources that have now spoke to different media outlets the australians are denying that that's how this happened is the australian ambassador in the united states had nothing to do with this and quite frankly that's what we want our partners in australia to do. we don't think they should be looking into political campaigns and then throwing that information over to the u.s. government and then opening investigations in the political campaign. maria: so if the president is not a target why are we talking about a potential interview with the special prosecutor? back to the letter that fox news has obtained and that is basically a letter from the senior legal team outlining the reasons why the president should
not sit with robert mueller and is not going to be subpoenaed and should not be, so if he's not a target, why did they have to send this letter? >> [laughter] well i agree with you, right? so this is the difference, so mr. gowdy believes that he's been told by the department of justice on several occasions that mr. trump's not he's not part of this; however i don't think that's the case here i just think that it's impossible to believe in normal america, if you open up into the trump campaign, you absolutely are opening up into donald trump himself. that's my opinion. mr. gowdy doesn't think so. he's a lawyer, he's worked with
doj, i don't know whose right but it's one of the things that we have to get to the bottom of. maria: you you are investigating the state department right now to try and understand how the information that flowed ultimately getting to the fbi to launch this investigation. what can you tell us about your investigation into the state department? >> well that was the new information i was referring to just a little bit ago is that the new york times have reported th mr. downer the australian high commissioner had brought this information through official channels through five eyes intelligence. that didn't happen. we have people in the state department who say they absolutely were involved so people in the u.s. state department have admitted they were involved so now we're trying to figure out well who at the state department was involved did mr. downer take this information to the state department is that what happened and did the state department then take that to the fbi because somehow, all the normal procedures and processes were short circuited in this investigation, and why is this important? it's important because they opened up an investigation into
a political campaign, maria, a political campaign. not we're not talking about terrorism, we're not talking about something criminal. they used our intelligence services by opening up the counterintelligence investigation. they didn't have to con seen a grand jury none of that happened which is why it really falls on the house of representatives and falls on the intelligence committee and this why people should be nervous. there's very few people in this country who can actually get to the bottom of what happened here i prefer to not have to do this. there's a lot of important work we could be doing but the american people are counting on congress to get to the bottom of this. we're the only ones with the classification that with the clearances that matter to get to the bottom of the situation, so even though we don't want to be doing it, we're the ones that have to do it because if we don't, who will and i just don't think members, if they're being honest all the members of my committee don't believe the counterintelligence capability should be used to target a
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regards to the e-mail investigation of hillary clinton >> well, we're a little disappointed in that this has been delayed another week and my experience with this is a lot of time the lawyers get a hold of it and they start to watern the report so it was supposedly we're supposed to receive it this week now pushed to next week. i know there are some interviews with the fbi officials on this this week these are also officials that were very interested in because a lot of the clinton e-mail investigation team are the same people that are involved with the scandals that we're interviewing and investigating. maria: and you've got the primary in california on tuesday right before that primary you being a california congressman i want to get your take on this because basically as an ideology of the california republican party less than a week before the primary, nazism shows up in the search results from google. google displayed the information in the knowledge panel next to search results which listed nazism alongside fiscal
conservativism and market liberalism and ideologies of the state gop. your reaction, sir? >> yeah, so we're on the front lines out here in california. i always say this. i'm used to getting att i enjoy getting attacked by these crazy leftists but i think what the american people need to understand is there is bias against conservatives and republicans all across this country and now as you see things its always been there with newspapers and television but now as you see it getting into the internet it's one of the challenges we have with als so somebody types in republican and up comes nazi well nobody wants to be affiliated with nazis so this is one of the challenges we're having with millennials. i just looked on twitter, drudge report is being censored today so for the last three or four days i haven't been able to get on the drudge report because it's being censored on twitter so this censorship of conservatives and republicans and conservative values continues in this country and here in california we're on the frontlines. i just hope that at some point people realize there's a reason
why california is not doing as well as the rest of the country. california is a great great state. maria: but are we going to see new legislation to try to stop social media from censoring conservative ideas then? >> well the best thing would be is for there to be a new search engine that actually doesn't sensor conservatives. i think there's a free market solution here if somebody can compete with google. if they can't, then ultimately we're looking at monopolies and then that, you know brings in a whole other set of circumstances is are these companies facebook, twitter, google, apple, et cetera are they monopolies and should they be reigned in. i would hope we don't have to go there. i would hope that they just don't get involved in politics and don't sensor conservatives and republicans but if they continue to do it then we have to move obviously to hearings on these issues. maria: congressman good to see you this morning thanks so much. >> thank you, maria. maria: see you soon congressman devon nunes joining me now is
former house speaker newt gingrich, he is a fox news contributor and author of the new book, trump's america, which is out on tuesday. congratulations mr. speaker always a pleasure to see you. >> good to be with you. maria: thank you for joining us your thoughts on this google search. >> first of all i think that google has an obligation to have some system of fixing things like this and being able to do it within a couple of hours and i do think they run a risk that they're going to start getting hearings if in fact this is used as an engine of left wing propaganda people are going to demand i think real reform and i also say that devon nunes has been very courageous but also about california, i think john cox is going to be in the run off for governor and that makes an enormous difference in california, both because the truth is lt. governor gavin newsom is not running that well, california is increasing 65% now believe the cost of living is too high, the democrats passed a
huge gas tax increase, and i think that john cox has a real shot at changing politics in california. maria: what about the mid-term? so what's your take on tuesday's primary but there's been a lot of conversation there's going to be this blue wave that the democrats are going to continue to get more seats and you heard nancy pelosi say i will be the next speaker and when i am the next speaker i will reform taxes , in other words raise taxes and do away with the president's tax cut plan. >> and her deputy said flatly he would raise taxes and reminded me of walter mondale in 1984 saying i promise you i will raise your taxes. maria: that's not a very good selling line right before the mid-terms. >> and i think for everybody in america who thinks that the cost of living is too low the democrats are a great party for them, because they will raise taxes as they have in california with this huge gas tax increase. i actually believe we are closer to a red wave than a blue wave.
now if you went back to december , frankly i was concerned. the huge generic gap we had not yet passed the tax cuts. things didn't feel right. people were upset that they had a year and things hadn't been accompli but starting with passing the tax cuts, with what president trump has done consistently on conservative judges, on deregulation, on trade negotiations, what he's done with north korea, i think people now have a sense that we're moving in the right direction and as a result for example, in the senate i think i can't imagine i don't know of anybody whose a serious student who believes the democrats have any hope of winning the senate. well in fact we're likely to gain seats i think that menendez en new jersey is in trouble because of his scandals and i think that we're very likely to pick-up florida because governor scott is a very strong candidate and then you add in the other trump states, starting with west virginia, north dakota, indiana,
missouri. we're likely to end up being somewhere between plus two and plus six in the senate. how can you talk about a blue wave if we're gaining votes? i think what happened yesterday in minnesota where the democrats went crazy and all of their establishment candidates were defeated in the state convention by hard left people i think tim poleni will come back and be governor again, again how can you talk about the house becomes the issue and there i think it's very simple. if we go out and communicate the economic growth issue and communicate we want to make your life better, that means more jobs, more takehome pay, lowest african american unemployment in history. i think we have a chance to do surprisingly well in the house, maybe become the third time in the century that a presidential party actually gains seats in an off-year election so i would predict today, we're closer to a red wave than a blue wave in
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maria: we're back with former house republican speaker newt gingrich fox news contributor let me ask you, we have this summit now in place, june 12 the president is expected to meet with kim jong-un. i'm trying to understand the motivation on kim jong-un's part why would he go to the table is he really going to denuclearize? >> first of all until they actually walk in the room that day, don't assume it'll happen. i could imagine at breakfast that morning the whole thing blowing up. i mean this is what's happened is the president through tremendous pressure and mnuchin at treasury has done a great job of really helping tighten down on the sanctions, and the result is that the north korean economy is in real trouble. to such a degree that i think
that kim jong-un reached a conclusion that he was in danger of having the whole regime implode economically. on the other hand, his fathe and his grandfather and he have spent three generations, enormous, huge slave labor camps , tremendous amounts of pain building nuclear weapons and missiles so the question becomes for him, can i cut a deal which enables me to survivor if i sell out everything we've been trying to do, do i get deposed by all these people who spent their lifetime doing it and if i don't do it, do i end up with my economy collapsing totally. maria: so he's afraid? >> i think he's coming in out of fear. the south koreans played a huge role in this because they really were frightened that trump was prepared to go to war and war would be a disaster for south korea, because so much of north korea's artillery is within reach of seoul, the artillery of missiles so the question becomes
for trump, can he find and he's got very smart people around him and secretary of state pompeo, secretary of defense mattis, chief of staff kelly, national security advisor bolton, these are all smart guys. maria: right. >> can they find a formula to get the first two or three real steps? you let in the american inspectors you get three mcdonald's. you let in the american inspectors and you denuclearize the first four bombs and you get two golf courses. maria: it's a process. >> and i think you have to expect the president himself said yesterday it's not one magic meeting and everything is solved. maria: right. >> but i think the world is grateful that we're talking rather than getting ready to go to war, and i think that the president wants it to work, if he possibly can. maria: all right we'll be watching that it's great to see you thank you so much former speaker of the house newt gingrich we'll be right back with our panel right here, as we
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maria: welcome back president trump's lead attorney rudy giuliani on the defensive threatening to go to court if special counsel robert mueller issues a president subpoena. guiliani reacting after a letter from president trump's legal team to the special counsel argues against obstruction of justice. the 20-page letter sent in january by attorney jay seculo, and lays out the case on why the president should not sit down with mueller our panel today former clinton strategist mark penn, chairman of the harris poll also author of microtrend squared also is al d' amato. good to see you both. should donald trump sit with special counsel mueller? >> i don't believe so. not unless there are limitations
placed in terms of the time, in terms of the questions, so that he and his counsel have an opportunity to review. maria: but why some people might say look if you have nothing to hide why not just sit with him, mark what do you think? >> well 64% in my latest poll of the american public says i think the president should sit with mueller so as we found working with president clinton it's hard to say no. the question is can he limit it? maybe written questions is the best solutions. >> i think mark has got a good point as the questions have to be limited so that you can see that the scope is proper, et cetera, and i would not advise him to sit down unless his attorneys have assurances in terms of the scope and the questions. maria: let me move on to the investigation into the fbi and the department of justice we just heard from devon nunes. mark you've been writing op-eds you're a democrat you worked for the clintons and yet you've been really neutral and just calling
balls and strikes how do you see things today? >> well i still see that we don't have the answer here. how this got started, why there was an independent counsel, why there are people from the clintons who represented the clinton foundation on mueller's staff, all of these questions here remain unanswered, and mueller seems toave runaway power, using storm trooper tactics almost. i don't want to go overboard but to really go after people and their family and the ways that he has for unrelated offences is really all the kinds of things our constitution was setup to prevent. maria: do you think that perhaps the fbi and the doj are waiting for the clo to run out that maybe they feel that the democrats will win houses in november and then we will not hear another word about this story? >> oh, i do. i do absolutely think there's been really considerable delays look even those page/strzok text s didn't come out for five months. mueller didn't reveal them when he was asked by the house committee to say why did you
fire those people. they kept that under wraps and would never have let the american public know how bias they were, were it not for the inspector general. >> well the fact is thank god for the inspector general. i agree with you. he's the only one in the justice department that is doing justice now number one, but he's limited in terms of what he can do. secondly, i have to tell you, there's an old addage. people don't change their stripes. maria: right. >> mueller has always been a prosecutor's prosecutor. he doesn't care what the facts are, what the laws are. if he's determined and he's after somebody he's determined to get them. maria: you're saying he's after trump? >> absolutely. maria: what do you think mark? >> oh, he's absolutely after trump. there's no question about that. look -- maria: you don't think he's just following the facts where the facts lead him? >> what facts? maria: well he's had guilty pleas and indictments. >> he's got indict ams on
unrelated charges the only one that's right are the russians and that was a show indictment and low and behold they showed up and said okay fine where is your evidence? this really has been tactics to pressure people to as other people say compose. they have a bid to the subject matter of a trump/russia collusion and i think he's even farther distant from any kind of obstruction of justice charge because it doesn't appear that the president did anything but fire the fbi director. maria: well he could have whatever fbi director he wants right he's the new president. >> well look i think that memo was pretty strong. i don't think there aren't or any circumstance under which he couldn't obstruct justice if he took a bribe or something. but if he just decided that the fbi director was unfair, and had messed up these investigations, there seems to me is totally justified in firing him. >> has the total right to fire him i agree with mark. maria: right. we will leave it there great to see you both gentlemen. thank you so much senator d' ama
there's this. a bit of this. why not? your hotel should make it easy to do all the things you do. which is what we do. crowne plaza. we're all business, mostly. >> lou: good evening, everybody. our top stories, diplomatic drama as the united states and north korea making a last ditch effort to save the singapore summit. secretary of state pompeo warning that kim jong-un must make major concessions if we wants to sit down with kim jong-un. and president trump keeping promises and putting american workers to work.