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iowa, montana, new jersey and new mico, voters are going to the polls there. we'll keep you covered on the polls right here on the fox business network. thanks for watching. charles payne, "making money." charles: it's been 500 days of the presidency in our rearview mirror and i think it's safe to say he delivered on a multiple of campaign promises. the economy, it is rocking, and of course my favorite, dirty fingernail jobs up 800,000 since trump took office. and the job market optimism is soaring. it sounds to me like a good report card. former obama economic advisor,
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and david deats. a trump tweet. here is one of them. in many ways it's the greatest economy in the history of america and the best time ever to look for a job. the media is desperate to distract from the economy and record-setting economic numbers so they talk about the phoney russia probe. >> unemployment, you can't debate that. i would say business investment, we are at a six-year high. the ones in the middle to be determined. labor participation rate is still in the 62% to 63%.
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wages haven't really moved. and where i would not give the president high parks is on deficit and debt. we are having increasing deficit and rising debt. i have always been pro-trade so i would not be positive on where they are with trade wars and trade. i would give him a b minus. i know that's a lot higher than what you would have predicted. charles: i said in the meeting, d minus. >> i think the jury is out on a bunch of these. i hope trade is more rhetoric than policy. charles: maybe we'll get something from trade that will e us later on, and that would be unique in a sense that presidents are hamstrung by the notion that they have to create instantly.
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you pulled a lever and your life changes tomorrow. >> quite frankly i probably incomplete. i think he has done a great job on unemployment. if you could pull it off and get china to open up to our products and companies and give better protection for some of our proprietary products that would be great. but we haven't seen that happen yet. charles: th alternative is, it's never been pushed. see what's the difference between getting the status quo or maybe getting a deal? >> i think everyone does agree china has not been cooperating and not playing fair. but once we disrupt our trade with mexico where so much of our auto parts are made and canada.
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you are injecting risk in the situation. >> i think he had an answer. i think he was way too quick object pulling out of the tpp. at the end of the day the best way to attack and combat china is to do trade with everyone around china. it was 11 countries. north of 50% of all trade, and china wasn't included. why wouldn't you do business with the philippines and new zealand and australia? i am hoping that we go back in. charles: aftere pulled out, he has more objections now than he had originally. but there have been overtures to think we might get a solution. despite the headlines. we know there are a lot of folks working behind the scenes.
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if these potential head winds become tail winds, what does that do for our economy? >> that's huge in is no question the trajectory has continued. the obama trajectory was one direction. my concern, and you and i talked about it is where we are with deficits. i think that will come back and haunt us. in a rising rate environment, the last thing we'll want is fiscal nervousness. charles: this morning on fox i gave the president an a minus because he signed the spending bill. republicans presented it to him. and the government keeps spending more than it takes it leads to doom. >> people have been talk about that for decades. nonetheless, there could be a
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tipping point where inflation becomes a problem. or our hands are tied. and now we have nothing left. charles: are you of the thinking, unof the things we hear, any time there is relative good news the wall street crowd points to the negatives. think about the all-time high consumer confidence. that goes back to 2000. think about the real highs and participation. millions of americans left the job market. there is a tremendous amount of potential upside left. >> the last quarter gdf consumer spending was at a five-year low. numbers come and go. what i get nervous about is rising rates with a
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protectionist environment. i'm and little nervous going into the summer if gas prices continue an upward trend. i listen to you a lot. you have been spot on. companies are doing better. you can't ignore that. charles: later in the show i will talk about investor confidence or lack thereof that gives wall street confidence. charles: this is the 500th day for the president and he's been in the midst of a fight for what he calls are you sip pro cal trade. here now for more insight, the former policy advisor for mitt romney and ned ryun and former presidential writer for bush 43. let's talk about grades on foreign policy. we know to a degree like economics, there are inconclusive items. but overall, what do you make of
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it? >> i thinkt' been a promising first 500 days. if i would give the president an a-mines and b-plus. i think scrapping the iran deal was the right thing to do and pulling out of the paris climate accord will be helpful going forward. therea i'm most of concerned about trade. and what happens there. a lot of instability, and i count that part of the foreign policy geopolitical mix. charles: because of the role of china there? >> this is all part of the piece. our relationship with china there has something to do with what we are doing with north korea. i think the chinese are playing a game of three-dimensional
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chess. i think they are trying to play a complex game where they are not tomorrow dealing with the economic issues on trade. they are dealing with the geopolitical issues. i worry one of the things we are doing is we might be giving up more on trade with the hope they will cooperate with us on north korea. and i don't think that's a good idea. >> i think trump brought china and getting china to come have meaningful actions. we are have much at the beginning of all of this. i would give him an a, i would point to the iranian deal, pulling out of that, paris accord, i totallygree with that. getting russia and china to vote for stringent sanctions at the u.n., that's a win. and isis. he obliterated isis in a short period of time. and he's getting our nato allies
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to pony up and meet their 2% of their gdp. he's getting more and more of them to come close and meet that mark in018. i give him an a. if he succeeds in getting north korea to the negotiating table, i would move that to an a plus plus plus if he comes out of it with something. charles: it's interesting, president trump could have sat on those wins and coast. but he hasn't. explain what's at stake here not only for his presidency but for everyone else. >> a huge things at stake. we are not just talking about the united states, we are talking about peace in east asia, we are talking about the advance of economic growth in the u.s. and other countries
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around the world. president trump assembled the strongest foreign policy team in american history. you have everyone from john bolton to james mattis and mike pompeo. charles: you may have thought facebook's privacy woes were over. well, not quite. it seems like facebook troubles may just be getting started. we'll break it down for you next.
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charles: facebook may have thought their dark days of dealing with scandals was over. facebook apparently gave device makers deep access to data on
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users and friends. facebook says it disagrees. a sort time ago apple declaring it will actively block faceboo data collecting. gillian, we saw whole big thing, the show with zuckerberg and he seemed -- everyone said he did great. i don't think he did as great as most of people thought. he wasn't telling the truth there web was playing a game of semantics. >> i think facebook had a privacy problem, not looks like an honesty problem as well. it didn't consider the parties it shared the information with. so it didn't share with third parties. but i think most of mayor cans are looking at this saying we are concerned about privacy.
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that's playing with word. the bottom line is you did not protect our privacy. you shared it in a way you said you would not share it. charles: this is all very worrisome stuff for people who are concerned. >> it appears zuckerberg after 11 hours of testimony did mislied congress in their data policy sharing. they considered device makers as service providers and they didn't see them legally as third-party actors. but an extension of facebook. they have a lot of questions to answer here. and they seem to be behind the 8 ball. essentially they are in real trouble and they have to figure out a way to get ahead of this. charles: tim cook being ant a
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critic of facebook. apple is a big, influential company, and tim cook has been pounding -- zuckerberg and facebook on this issue. >> they see a way t get their foot in the door and use this to their company's benefits. i am concerned about am as well. it put its servers within china. the more of this we can get, the better. if you don't want -- charles: around an anti-government intervention person. >> if congress attempt to regulate facebook. facebook has enough money to hire the lawyers to work with the regulations. but if the regulation is too
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sweeping it will hit the smaller companies. charles: they will build a motor around them against -- build a minnesota arounmoat around them. >> this expose' came out because germans were looking into this and facebook was found to be not all that transparent on that side of the pond. with respect to america. i'm against regulation. but we have to demand certain level of transparency because we don't want to go down that road of regulation. when it comes to apple it's clear they had it out for facebook for quite some time. we are apple, we want to turn the spotlight on apple. charles: facebook is making it easy for everyone to turn the
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charles: 8 states are holding primaries tomorrow. support for democrats in several races are cool down. 70% of voters said they would vote for a republican compared to 36% who said they would vote for a democrat. kayleigh, all eyes seem to be on california for a variety of reasons, including perhaps the idea that you may end up with a
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government-run-off -- a governor run-off that includes a republican candidate. the top two vote getters advance. but this latest polling shows he is now 7 points ahead of the second in place democrat. so if everything turns out he'll advance which is pretty extraordinary and it shows this blue wave is crashing. charles: the other democrat is villaraigosa who people were talking about as being a presidential candidate. >> i think that the campaigns have come down to who loves trump more and who hates trump more. we are seeing a gaming of the system. democrats are trying to split their opponents votes by
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unfortunately what gets left out of the equation are actual issues. what do californians care about and how do they differ on the issue. charles: i read a lot of articles that say the south may be purposing and some of the dynamics have changed. places like california maybe not so much anymore. >> you know, that's correct. part of that comes down to restructuring they did in 2010 where they did away with, now you can have a non-partisan ticket. they take the top two vote getters. because the democratic ticket is split because there are so many candidates. it waters down our vote. it's a possibility we may not
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have a democrat on the ballot because there are you fewer republican candidates and are pulling strong. it's our worst nightmare because of the split ticket. if that happens, look for people to be extremely upset with the party, specifically. charles: a lot of money, millions pouring into california. mills have gone into the cougher o -- ofthe cow coffer of ted crs opponent. >> part of the problem is how this money is being spent. in the 48 will be and 49th congressional district, they are not taking as much money from
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the party itself because they are self funding. the problem we'll be having as democrats is people will be so upset if we lose as how these democratic organizations invested this money. charles: i want to give kayleigh a chance to get in here. the job that you have done its pretty remarkable. millions of dollars, no debt. they seem to have a good handle on that. >> we invested a lot in california it's crucial to the house. there are so many seats we have polled there. 7 in districts hillary clinton won. we are wouldn't ground. we have staff on the ground and money in these races. meanwhile democrats are tearing oneer apart. the democratic fight got so vicious that the democratic party had to come in and take these two candidate to an italian dinner and sit them down
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the constitutional authority to pardon even himself. trump also addressing the comments over whether he'd consider pardoning himself if arged in a rush o probe by tweeting as has been stated by numerous legal scholars i have the absolute right to pardon myselfut why would i do that when i h done nothing wrong? in the meantime the never-ending witch hunt led by 13 very angry and conflicted democrats and others continues into the mid-terms. now, the pardon question continues after a letter sent in january from trump's legal team to special counsel robert mueller it was revealed by the new york times and is being conformed by fox, outlining many reasons why the president should not sit down for an interview with mueller. here now to discuss, republican strategist and trial lawyer, michael star hopkins a democratic strategist and criminal defense attorney back with us as well. your comments another tweet by the way by president trump was the appointment of the special counsel is totally unconstitutional despite that we
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played a game because i, unlike the democrats have done nothing wrong. is this a game that the president has to play or should play in the first place? >> well, i agree with the president's comments, i wouldn't call it analysis but the ons constitutionality goes to the separation of power issues and indeed many scholars do agree with that and beyond that many scholars have pointed out that if it were constitutional, the investigation is currently constituted exceeds the scope of the statute that authorizes it so then going to the issue of pardon, i agree with the president's comments that why would he pardon himself if he is not guilty and frankly that's where the focus should be. i think it's premature an not a great idea to be talking about pardons when although it's his power to do so, it will be seized upon by democrats to initiate impeachment proceedings and so really the focus should be is this constitutional, and if it is constitutional, do the facts support the investigation and if so, then we go to pardon and that's the last ditch
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scenario. charles: to your point of course this whole topic was this topic of conversation during the white house press briefing. michael? what do you make of it? i mean a, the idea that listen this whole thing is some sort of game, president trump he's okay, you know, playing the game in part because ultimately he knows he's done nothing wrong but also e idea that somehow, ultimately robert mueller's going to have to make a decision and many are wondering, you know , i think universally there's a feeling thereon't be an indictment but there could be a subpoena. >> well i want to start by saying the idea that the president of the united states is above the law is everything this country was founded upon. charles: before you go on, is giving a pardon, does that mean someone was above the law by issuing a pardon? >> well the president is saying he has the ability to pardon himself is never what hamilton or any of the other founding fathers believe was possible, if you look at the federal of 74, hamilton talks about a president pardoning another. you don't see the pope as people
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have said going and giving confessionals to himself. even the pope has to go and receive confession from someone else. when the found fled britain to come here, they were fleeing a government who abused its power and that's exactly what the president will do if he pa himself. charles: let ford jump in here because he's about to jump out of his seat. >> yeah, what's happening here is michael is misconstruing the law. the president never said he was above the law but the president told you what exactly the law was article two section two gives him near unfettered powers to pardon people but i'll let the -- >> pardon people not himself >> and himself, outside of debt , donald trump is not leaving office unless one of two things happens the senate removes him or he los at the ballot box in 2020 and to continue to fire up your base with this nonsense is going to come back and whiplash you guys in the 2018 mid-terms because there's nothing that fires up republicans more than when you guys talk about impeachment or
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throwing the legal book at president trump. charles: well we know about bill clinton necessarily is seeing that backfired back then on republicans. >> we can talk about whether or not it helped bill clinton or whether it hurts donald trump but for me this is way beyond a political issue. the reason this has never gone before the supreme court is because no u.s. president before was willing to take it to the supreme court because it's dangerous and irresponsible. when richard nixon talked about this the doj had a letter that stated that he didn't have that power and days later, he resigned. the fact that -- >> that was a letter for the doj in 1974 and that's worth about the paper it's printed on. >> why? >> this has never been tested to your point, but the only way you're going to get rid of donald trump is very simple. he's removed by the senate or loses at the ballot box in 2020. charles this is a great point a strong arm tactic by the trump adminitration because it's going to drive democrats and the media crazy and going to help trump supporters rally around the most
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crucial time in november. charles: so is it a dangerous game for the president to play even if it is potentially a winning political game? >> well, it depends politically obviously the president is very smart and clearly made the calculation necessary to come out and do this. personally i think if the president were to be impeached and win which i think he would it's divisive. our country needs to be focusing on really moving forward with the president's agenda and not letting the democrats run out the clock and distract us with this garbage and so i really hope that we focus on ending this investigation which is i think merit less in the first place and moving on. this talk of pardon is resting but hopefully will never come to pass. charles: i appreciate all your legal expertise and your passion s. thank you all very much appreciate it. >> thank you charles. charles: coming up it's the rebuilding of america, and it's happening right in front of us but the good news is you're part of it or are you? we'll be right back. [music playing] (vo) from day one, we always came through for our customers. it's how we earned your trust.
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, ulta beauty and kohl's and i love investments based on technology and love the consumer and also the thought of rebuilding of america, and i also have some breaking news after the bell twitter, the social media giant added to the s&p 500 on june 7 and netflix will be added to the s&p 100. now let's get a feeling from our guests lindsay bell, cfra research investment strategist, david schweikert back with us as well lindsay what do you make first of all the nature of this rebound in the market because the headlines are there. trade wars, this war, this indictment, so it really isn't getting a lot of coverage but i kind of like the fact it's not getting a lot of coverage right now. i do too on friday and today we kind of got back to the fundamentals of the economy here in the u.s. , a great jobs report, a great ism manufacturing report on friday as well, and then back today, the trade talks even the g7 noise really didn't affect the market and tech took leadership and twitter joining the s&p 500 come on. charles: i've got to tell you its been a heck of a month
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rather for jack dorsey, twitter made one heck of a rebound but these inclusions, rubber stamps these names i guess with the bigger money hedge fund guys and money-market guys but the rally in and of itself david, again the only thing that discourages me is the individual investor i think still perhaps is missing out something i went over before i came up to the studio, bullish ness is extraordinarily low. >> yeah, absolutely. i think a lot of investors are still afraid of valuations they've seen a lot of stocks get away from them now but i'm pointing out basically we're still in a low interest rate environment so what i'm steering people towards are like world class names but not the ones in the news every day, and looking for sectors have not quite participated over the last couple of years two sectors i really like, energy and also consumer products-type things and the two names i would go for , block for and gamble and exxon. proctor and gamble is down 20% so far this year but they have great exposure to the global growth and 60% of their sales --
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charles: earlier right before the close consumer staples were the number one performing s&p sector so they are definitely coming on and you saw the proctond gamble kind of names and general mills what would propel them, they're oversold and will start to drift back higher. >> it's always hard to pick one but the one i like is the fact that we've seen some in europe due to italy and so forth and that's going to give some pause to what the federal reserve might do this year in terms of cranking interest rates. these are solid dividend-paying stocks that people feel that bonds aren't going to get away from them then i think they will come back into the dividend place that will give people the confidence to get back in. charles: of course exxon-mobile has a very healthy dividend for you technology technology technology when people do read about the market that's what they read but is there more to this than that? >> yeah, we like energy as well too and we saw oil prices come down from above $70 a barrel but we still think that the prices they're at today was like $65
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that's still very good for a lot of the producers and they should do well and i think once iran and venezuela really plays out it will stabilize the market we're going into the strong driving season. charles: what about the talk about russia and saudi arabia and opec may increase production , three more oil wells come online, just the idea again , this whole balance that's always the game of energy that maybe supply now starting to get too heavy. >> well yeah it's always a supply and demand issue with energy and we just think that has been priced into the market for the most part now. we'll see what happens at their july meeting but we feel comfortable with energy here. charles: all right thank you both very very much appreciate it. well, the much anticipated supreme court decision regarding a conservative christian baker and a same sex couple has come to a close and the court says religious hostility is the back bone of this ruling. we'll explain, next.
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charles: well it was a very closely watched case and now the supreme court has sided with a colorado baker who refused to bake a cake to celebrate the marriage of a same sex couple and the court ruling on that colorado civil rights commission saying they actually violated the free exercise rights of the cake shop owner jack phillips by showing hostility toward its religious beliefs, which phillip s cites as being a christian. the court avoided ruling on the religion and gay rights issues of the cas joining me now, har meet dillon is back republican strategist of course is a trial lawyer and ned ryan is back as well. ned, i'll start with you on this it's interesting in a sense that this sort of dovetails into an over arching notion that religion but more specifically christianity has been under attack by a lot of institutions, governmental institutions, the
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media, the elites on both coasts , and maybe this was the best outcome of this, the notion that it was acknowledged. >> yeah, no, i think we have to be realistic about today. it was a win. it obviously wasn't too broad a win but it was definitely a win and i think what was encouging for m today charles was the fact that at least we still have that belief that government can't be used to coerce people to do something against deeply- held convictions and i look at it too the warning shot across the left that tolerance is still a two-way street here in america and you can't bully people into doing things against their religious beliefs because that's my big concern right now, many on the left don't think that it's over, they don't want to have conversations, they don't believe truly in freedom of conscience and they want to use that big government to compel you to believe as they do and what's said today is not so fast that's not how we do it in america you can't compel someone to do something against those deeply held religious beliefs. charles: from what i understand the baker would sell them a cake
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but he didn't want to do the actual personalizing of the decorations. harmeet, does this potentially open a pandora's box? can someone say it's my religious belief to be against blacks, itali against tall people this is something i feel deeply about and therefore i can take action or inaction based on that. does this open that door? >> well, the specific pandora's box that you just mentioned charles is not likely to occur because as ned said this is a very narro ruling and i cauti conservatives to not spike the ball on this either and declare victory because what we really wanted the supreme court and the lawyers and conservatives who got involved in this case wanted the supreme court to rule on is to say that as a matter of principle, somebody's deeply held religious values could be used in this very narrow circumstance to say that i will not be compelled and not allow my speech to be compelled to bake a cake for a religious sacrament that i do not agree with and that's not what the
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court ruled so in fact if this specific baker jack phillips were to today be confronted by a gay couple coming into his shop, and the colorado civil rights commission was not as dumb as to personally attack him for his religious views and ridicule them we might have a different outcome so i think we have to be very careful and keep fighting this fight here. charles: ned? >> no, i think if those commissioners in colorado hadn't been so vocal and been on the record and so clear about their bias i think harmeet is absolutely right. they would have voted against this and been maybe a 5-4 decision and what we are looking for is a court decision on a broader, you know, freedom of expression, freedom of religion and there are some cases moving through the appeals court charles and the one that's interesting is the archdiocese of washington and it sued against the d.c. metro saying can we advertise religious ads on subways and metro buses so i think we'll be seeing those decisions moving forward but let's be realistic about what was accomplished today.
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charles: real quick, we just had breaking news moments ago, google, facebook apparently the washington state attorney general filed campaign finance lawsuit and alleging that both of these entities failed to maintain legally required information for that sta political advertising placed on their online platform since 2013 again, apparently that state, their campaign finance law required that these commercial advertisers sell political advertising to maintain information. if you're going to do it you got to maintain this information and the people that purchase that advertising, and again, another we started the day off with this big facebook revelation and now we have another lawsuit. what do you make of it where ultimately are these social media companies going to go from a legal perspective? it seems like this might just be the beginning not the end. >> right, well the just filed lawsuit today details campaign finance violations going back to 2013 so for several years apparently these platforms have been the campaign finance law of
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the state and the campaign finance regulation is transparencies obviously transparency is not there when you don't know whose paying for the ads, this is a big problem in our california election tomorrow and ultimately what we've seen is these companies often are treating themselves as too big to have to follow the law like every other newspaper and every other publisher and this is ultimately unacceptable and obviously we'll need to hold them accountable so i'm glad to see this happening. charles: ned, a big topic going into the mid-terms. i think so and the first step that we have to do charles is actually define who these guys are the social media and tech giants who they are today and quite frankly they're publishers and telecommunications companies and if we define them as such they're going to come under different rules and ridges and actually put everybody on a level playing field and i've actually proposed charles they should probably come under the 1996 telecommunications act and have oversight from the fcc. we have to redefine them. charles: thank you both very very much. >> right and without that, yes
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without that cda 2,030 exception charles: thank you both. appreciate it. we'll be right back.
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other money managers. fisher investments. clearly better money management. charles: major military shakeup in as the world has a lot of experts wondering if this move was partially motivated by internal fears of kim jong-un's summit meeting with president trump or was it another overture from kim jong-un toward maybe some sort of resolution. here now to discuss rebecca hein rich, senior fellow also dr. william parker former u.s. na surface force chief of staff. rebecca let me start with you. three major generals ousted, at least i don't think they were gunned down by artillery fire so that might in and of itself be a major move in the right direction but what do you make overall what's the message with this move? >> you know i don't think it's reason to be encouraged during the iran deal negotiations we were told the regime had moderates in power and that's why the obama administration could deal with them and now
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we're being told that perhaps kim is looking for more moderate s to replace the hard liners in the kim regime. i just think that's absolute nonsense. anybody who was moderate that had any power within the regime has either been executed or was in north korea. i think what's happening much more likely is that kim is consolidating power wants to make sure he can be light on his feet negotiating with president trump and that everybody surrounding him is completely on board with what he wants to do because they're loyal to him, much more than possibly the last three who he just replaced. charles: so dr. parker if that's the case, and that means coo was on the table right now matter how farfetched it might seem and that would sort of takeaway the idea that somehow this guy is untouchable. >> when you're a bad guy you're always concerned about a coo. there's no doubt about that and rebecca is exactly right. the real issue here is whether you'll allow this to be a distraction or just move on with the issue at hand, and the issue is not the meeting itself. the issue is the end game of
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denuclearization. charles: so the meeting in and of itself then we've already been told by president trump on friday temper your expectations, so we won't get a headline after the meeting denuclearization is on. what's the best possible headline we can get out of the meeting? >> i think the best possible headline is you get a definition of what denuclearization is by the chinese, by the americans, by the north koreans, the south koreans and the japanese. charles: rebecca, i know you've been very let's call it skeptical about the whole thing, but we are barreling ahead toward this meeting. what would you like to see come out of it and what do you think will come out of it? >> the thing that i am very much encouraged by has nothing to do with the behavior of the north koreans i have no trust in them. i'm skeptical of their intentions. i am encouraged by the way the u.s. government is going about this the trump adminitration and that is that the sanctions are still in place, the pressure campaign is still in place, we haven't altered our military operations that much in the region. what i'd like to see is for president trump to be, like he
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has said he is, willing to walk away, so that we can say we everything we had when it came to trying to solve this diplomatically and get this out of the way and go back to the pressure campaign. charles: thank you both very very much we'll see exactly what happens now here is lou. lou: good evening everybody. our top stories, a supreme court victory for religious freedom, the high court ruling that a colorado baker should not be penalized for staying true to his religious beliefs. we take up the implications of the high court ruling, legal analyst greg jarod among our guests 500 days of greatness and awesome winning. president trump hits a major milestone in his presidency with an unsurpassed record of success that has rhinos and obstruction it'ses dems and the national left wing media tail spun. we'll discuss the unstopable trump


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