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thanks so much for watching "strange inheritance." and remember -- you can't take it with you. [ applause ] for watching.♪ ♪ have a great sunday ♪ everybody. ♪ merry christmas! >> good sunday morning everyone thank you for joining us. i am maria bartiromo. right now on sunday morning futures. devin nunes on robert mueller being forced to pull back the curtain on how the special counsel parlayed the controversial use of tactics to take on michael flynn. also to mind the first democrat to challenge nancy pelosi. for house speaker on a federal judge ruling obamacare unconstitutional. plus, congressman darrell issa comes face-to-face with james comey this upcoming will. and attorney general on demands from the president on the next attorney general.
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all of that and more ahead right now on "sunday morning futures".♪ ♪ [music] former national security advisor michael flynn, said to be sentenced this tuesday for lying to the fbi, it comes as the special counsel sharply rebukes the flynn legal team. and federal agents he said many played him into not telling the truth. this amid growing questions of how the fbi handled the interview. to me now in an exquisite interview, from the world ag expo, has intelligence committee chair, devin nunes. thank you for joining us. >> thank you for having me. questioner james comey and laura lynch heading to the hill to testify. potentially rod rosenstein. i want to get your thoughts on all of that. but first, we heard about the
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sentencing for michael flynn. he was sentenced this week. but there is a lot of debate on whether or not the conduct that the fbi did in terms of getting him to say that he lied was really not good conduct. tell me about that. there was a wall street journal op-ed. they said it was entrapment. that michael flynn was trapped into saying he broke the law. your reaction? >> i think what was likely is that general flynn was just out of money. if you look at some of the documentation is come out in the last week, i think most notable is the one line that says that general flynn actually knew that the agents must have had the transcripts. so look, general flynn is a former head of the dia. 30 years in military service. he has to know when the agents start to talk about his conversations with the russian ambassador that they have the transcript. some of it had already leaked
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out. so general flynn though they have the transcript. so i general flynn going to lie about something that he knows they have, exactly what he said. and he never made any sense from the beginning. i think the more likely scenario is that general flynn was out of money, how do we know that? not because he told me but he had to sell his house. to pay his legal bills. then what you seen, even though it's been a year since he said look, fine, i lied to you guys, you can trust me on this knowing is not getting jail time, robert mueller comes out and says we are not going to give him jail time. knowing that through all of this time, likely, this was just a way for general flynn to just end the investigation against him. maria: because other people speculate maybe he was worried that they would throw the book at his son. that basically, they put him in a corner and coerced him into saying things like, i lied and broke the law. that's the way the wall street journal writes it. date journal editorial put out
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an article last week titled the flynn entrapment. it reads in part this. not a rich man at the decades in uniform. mr. flynn pleaded guilty to avoid bankruptcy and spare his son from becoming a legal target. mr. flynn's filing does not take issue with the description of his offense. but the additional facts, the flynn defense team, it raises doubt. you've been in the eye the entire year what's your reaction to the conduct? >> one of the things is that we are actually never able to interview the second fbi agent that was there in the interview. we have chuck grassley, senator grassley and his team have been asking to get those, the original fbi reports that came out of the flynn interview. so there is so much out there that we need to know still that i am really hopeful that the judge didn't just receive this interview with peter strzok that you saw on friday afternoon. i really do hope that he
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actually got all of the memorandums, all of the memos, everything that was written after that. because it was clear from all of our investigations that we had done, that the fbi agents who'd interviewed michael flynn did nothing the general flynn was lying and then it does not pass a simple straight face test the general flynn would lie when he knows that they have the transcripts of his conversation with the russian ambassador. >> i want to get back to that. it appears that robert mueller scrub the phones. and we don't know what other texts are out there. but james comey suggested that he took advantage of what he perceived as a disorganized administration. and he basically said the way we question michael flynn was different than anything in the past. watch this most recent interview. this is back on december 9 at the 92nd street y with james comey. watch. >> something i probably would not present or gotten away with
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may be in a more organized investigation, the more organized administration in the george w. bush administration for example or obama admin station. in both there was process. and so the fbi wanted to send agents into the white house itself to interview a senior official. you would work through the white house counsel and there will be discussions and approvals and who would be there. and i thought, it is early enough, let's just send a couple of guys over. >> he basically admits that the whole thing was planned. premeditated to send agents in and hope he does not have lawyers around him. >> it is frightening, maria that the head of the fbi who is on a 10 year appointment, the reason we have 10 year appointments is so that there is some continuity of government. the job of the bureaucracy is to support, no matter who the people decide wins the
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election? whether it is republican or democrat the bureaucracy in washington and the swamp should be there to support the administration. not take advantage of the administration. and that is why you hear this you know, called the swamp there it is exactly cases like this. you have the fbi director who was on a 10 year term that decides he will take advantage of a disorganized transition going into washington as he put it. and that is, i think, above all else, it is alarming that anybody in the federal bureaucracy would think that way. i think this way see so many americans disillusioned with washington. donald trump is in everything he can do to drain the swamp as he called it. i don't think any of that will happen it's a start to get these agencies out of washington d.c.. we give 90 percent of the populace in washington d.c. and 90 percent of the workforce that vote extreme left and vote for democrats, even on a sustainable system. i think will be helpful to get
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you know, the epa, department of interior, some of these agencies out to where the rest of america lives and they might be a little closer to the people. maria: is mentioned the 302's. the report you been asking for. more reports so-called 302's were released on friday. the president tweeted about it. i want to say what he said over the weekend and this morning about these reports. then get your reaction to what you've seen and what is still missing. the president tweeted this. where are all of the missing text messages? between fired fbi agents, peter strzok and the lovely, lisa paige, his lover? just reported they have been erased and wiped clean. what an outrage as the totally compromised and conflicted witchhunt moves ever so slowly forward. what happened here? >> my guess is that the mueller
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team had to get rid of lisa paige and peter strzok because the ig discovered they were biased against the white house and people they were investigating. and so, i think it was a simple matter of what we have seen the doj and fbi do. they quickly hide the ball and cover up their tracks, hoping that no one would actually catch them in this. and you know the fact that you know that you have two biased agents and you would erase any of their phones, what should have been immediately happened was the phones you know, any dedicated public servant would have said look, i am not going to obstruct an investigation. these employees did wrong. those phones should have been turned over immediately to the ig. so the ig could conduct investigation pierces they didn't do that, these are sophisticated operators, some of the best we have in all of government that have worked at doj and fbi for long time. the fact that they wouldn't
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turn them over is just another alarming fact and a disturbing set of facts that continues in this fiasco. maria: is just external repair which is why the wall street journal came out with another op-ed titled checking robert mueller. a judge brings to light the fbi dodgy conduct in the michael flynn case. and you want to breaking news this morning in terms of what you will be calling for in the new congress. to try to get your arms around this stream of information that the american people have yet to see. tell us about what you will be calling for in 2019. >> thank you, maria. as you know, i've said this last month ashley couple of months. our investigations essentially, over. we have everything that we need. but we are lacking now is, we are lacking the declassification by the president. and for various reasons, the president or his staff doesn't want to do it. therefore i think it is important if the president
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doesn't want his hands and we have to have somebody. some office that will look at all of these issues and all of these documents that need to be declassified.i think the president wants to create some type of office like this, i will be working with my colleagues to work on and send some example over to the president of a transparency type of office. so that the congress, the american people, others can put in requests of documents or issues that they want declassified. that way the president doesn't have to take this full burden on and the congress has somewhere we can go to to try and avoid the swamp preachers from getting involved in assuring the american public is kept in the dark. we need to make sure that there is light, i would say that the sunlight is the disinfectant in washington. the more that we can get declassified, i think the
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better. anything an easy way to do is create an office that actually just works under the white house that specializes in evaluating this documentation to get, and errors on the side of more some of the better to make sure everything went declassified guess declassified. >> we are speaking with you all year as you've been doing this investigation into the fbi handling of this probe into the trump campaign after potential collusion alongside the investigation of hillary clinton's emails. and another robert mueller was wanting the fbi during the fbi that the clinton global initiative was operating. native whistleblowers coming out on the clinton global initiative and the clinton foundation. most people don't realize that these are all the same players who were actually running things at the government agencies that are now investigating that same thing. like robert mueller! what do you know about robert mueller 's probe and when it is ending? >> i have no idea when it is
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ending. i've said this for months now. he needs to answer because it is destroying america. you have over 40 percent of the american people believe that the trump campaign colluded with russia. even though there is not one shred of evidence that it happened. in fact, the only evidence we know for sure is that the democrats and the hillary campaign colluded directly with russians. by hiring the foreign agent to go talk to russians to get dirt on the other candidate. the same is true for this clinton foundation investigation. let's not forget one of the lawyers for the clinton foundation is serving on the mueller team looking into the president. let's also not forget that you had the clinton foundation taking hundreds of thousands of dollars from not just russians, but other countries and at the same time, why those countries had business before the state department when hillary clinton was there. there is all kinds of circumstantial evidence.you know, we have been looking at
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this under the direction of peter king, my colleague on the intelligence committee. we have lots of things that look really bad. but at the end of the day, to get either a special counsel or someone in the department of justice who is going to be able to offer or operate with autonomy to have to go in and bring this and prosecute it, i think justice is still going to continue to be denied. i'm hoping some within doj is looking at this but i don't have a lot of confidence right now after the last couple of years what i've been seeing. maria: we don't have a peep on any that were reactive news and evidence of wrongdoing. and yet, every portion of the presidents life is under the microscope being investigated from his personal transactions to his business transactions. just extraordinary, actually! we are going to take a break. i want to talk to about china and a lot when we come right back.stay with us. more with devin nunes and the man who challenged nancy pelosi for speaker of the house.
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congressman tim ryan reacting to her deal with democrats. tim ryan joins me to talk about that. plus his reaction to the latest ruling on obama care. plus, darrell issa joining me fact is, every insurance company hopes you drive safely. but allstate helps you. with drivewise. feedback that helps you drive safer. and that can lower your cost now that you know the truth... are you in good hands? maria: welcome back.
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i am back with devin nunes. i want to get your thoughts on china. we've spoken a number of times with the on how china is using its economic power and putting it on its military complex. tell us what china is doing with regard to espionagein america . >> where she just completed our investigation on china so we've had a couple year-long investigation.we just approved it last week to the committee. a declassified report of course so a lot of work we did, we
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will send unto of the parts of the government. they are moving in first with leverage like loaning money, building infrastructure. most concerning is when they get a hold of the electrical grid. they get a hold of the banking system. then they go in with companies like huawei or zte. in the offer, basically, free infrastructure. free communications infrastructure. my warning to a lot of our allies and countries i meet with is, there is nothing for free. what the chinese are doing is ensuring that they control the communications infrastructure so that it can monitor for economic purposes, those businesses and others that they may want to get involved in. so they have total control in manipulation ability over those countries and governments. maria: that is incredible. in another cfo of huawei was
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arrested held in canada and she got out on bail. is that more about espionage and it was about iran sanctions? >> you know, i don't know about that. i will refer to the department of justice. it is probably not something i should comment on but i do know that huawei is actively going around the globe and offering products way below their own cost. so that doesn't make any sense. somebody is subsidizing that. and in today's world, with the ever-growing and quickly change in ways we communicate, if routers are put in, and this is something we worked on for many years in the house intelligence committee, looking at routers contact information and quickly brought the information quickly back to china where there coming through. i think that is a concern that there would be games being played within these communication or within the commune occasions infrastructure that would allow for the chinese to spy very easily. i think that is one of the concerns we have here.
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with the american people, they have been having to listen to this russian nonsense was so lump it is not that vladimir putin is not a bad guy. in fact we're the ones that warned about his ever advancing capabilities. maria: right. >> at the same times we have ignored china. house intelligence committee didn't get the coverage.we spent the last two years doing an in-depth look into china and what they're doing and how they are expanding across the globe. i was glad to see john bolton, national security advisor at the white house, actually step up and have a plan for africa. i think they will have to do that elsewhere around the world. maria: that's right. >> the real threat, which is china. maria: he declared russia, china, national security threats in africa. real quick before you go mr. chairman. you're facing a deadline this week. will we see a government shutdown?
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>> you people dug in and it doesn't make a lot of sense to me. the president ran on infrastructure for border security. specifically building walls. there is at least 500 to 800 miles on our border where there is fencing now. fencing the actually, fencing it takes a lot of money to upkeep. it doesn't work. where if you can replace it with new infrastructure, -- maria: that is the issue. there are even some republicans that will not get behind the president on the border wall funding. >> yeah. maria: real quick. >> we have a few suspects in the senate that are leaving the senate. we have 51 votes in the senate but remember, even if we had all 51, we still need 60 votes in the senate to end the shutdown. thank you for having me on. maria: thank you for coming on maria: thank you for coming on this o
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♪ maria: welcome back. ♪ democrats vowing to appeal this morning after federal judge in texas ruled obama care is unconstitutional. the president celebrating the decision which came in response to a lawsuit for more than a dozen states. democratic congressman from ohio, tim ryan. on the house appropriations committee. thank you for joining us. >> good morning. good to be with you. >> your reaction to this ruling.it will go to the supreme court, question is does the supreme court ruled the same as the federal judge and are you and your colleagues going to be able to come up with a new healthcare plan for america in the new congress? >> i'm very concerned about it. i represent an area that has a lot of people that work really hard, put in 40 or 50 hours and still don't have healthcare. for any universality or help to
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give these families for healthcare, i think it is a mistake for country. it allows us to be healthy, competitive, and has helped business in a lot of ways. i think this is a mistake by the court and i don't quite understand because they're talking about the individual mandate which, in many states, there is an individual mandate for car insurance. that is something that has been done all over the country to say, we know you're going to get into a car accident so unique car insurance. you know you're going to get six he should have to health insurance. and if you cannot afford it we should help pay. maria: well, do you think there's any overlap in terms of commonality between republicans and democrats to come up with a new bill, new legislation in the new congress to actually create the right healthcare plan for americans? >> i don't think so. it's just, the republicans have voted 60 or 70 times to repeal the affordable care act. so i think it would throw the healthcare system into a
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tailspin. i think a lot of people with pre-existing condition, and again, these are people working hard and doing everything right. their kids in healthcare. i would hope we could come together. we used to be able to. mitt romney passed it in massachusetts. the plan, ultimately the affordable care act was a republican plan back in the day. and hope we can come together and say every american in this wealthy country should be able to have health insurance for their kids and families. >> there is an impasse and now we are facing another one this upcoming week. the army appropriations committee. what you expect in terms of partial government shutdown? looks like we will see it. how are we impacted? >> well, i think over the holidays it will come down to national parks and federal workers. which i think we could fix ones we get a new government in january. i think the impact won't be huge but again, it is son of
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dysfunction washington. we had to figure out how to come together here around some basic budgets. we believe in border security. i believe in border security. we have technologies today that are far surpassed a wall. this is not the 15th century. let's invest into the technologies and the border patrol agents, the manpower we would need to secure the border. and then let's find the deal on immigration reform. letting these kids, the daca kids into the country. making sure businesses have e-verify so they are not letting in illegal immigrants and then hiring them so they can keep low-wage workers in the country. and let's find a pathway for people to pay a fine, pay their back taxes. learn english if they don't know it. comes the country in the next six or seven years pay taxes
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and contribute. that's a good deal for everybody. maria: and it sounds very practical, congressman. you are always very practical and moderate. [laughter] 40 democrats, many of your colleagues sent a letter to leadership saying, in the new congress, we don't want all of these investigations. we want legislation. we want to work for the american people. i assume you are one of them. >> well, we can walk and chew gum at the same time. article 1 of the constitution gives us oversight responsible use of the executive branch. we do not have a king in the united states. we are run by the people, we are run by the congress.and we have responsibility is to execute. my focus is on the economic well-being of the people of this country. that means healthcare, wages, pensions, reinvesting back into the country and your last segment about china. we've got to become more competitive. china is coming at us economically. maria: right. >> left invest in research and
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invest into new growing areas of the economy. we need to dominate them economically. and that takes a plan, it cannot be run by twitter. it has got to be there with a long-term plan that we execute. then he said the focus of the congress moving forward. we people still losing pensions, still losing healthcare and still working hard playing by the rules and not getting ahead. we have to reestablish the social compact between corporations and workers and the government and people. maria: which is including the layoffs we just heard about in ohio. your stay. because gm is closing a plant. let's take a short break, i want to ask about that as well as the new leadership agreement that you signed to give term limits to nancy pelosi. i have questions about that. i have questions about that. all money managers might seem the same, i have questions about that. but some give their clients cookie cutter portfolios. fisher investments tailors portfolios to your goals and needs. some only call when they have something to sell. fisher calls regularly so you stay informed. and while some advisors are happy to earn commissions whether you do well or not. fisher investments fees
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we are back with congressman tim ryan. you, like the president had been upset with general motors for announcing this closure plan, layoffs me while you were among those who voted for a bailout of gm, do you regret voting for the bailout? >> well, you know, you think about that stuff when they start cutting jobs and laying off people but at the end of the day, we have to save the american auto industry. we have tens of thousands of people getting pensions from general motors. and i see what happens to workers when they have been a bankruptcy court.they're the last ones in line. we to keep general motors
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competitive and solvent.we have got to find another product to get into the facility. it is a state of the art facility integrate location with a great workforce. i hope we can work through it. at the end of the day it is about retirees we have to protect. maria: you and your colleagues have agree with nancy pelosi to put in term limits for her. i don't understand the spiritual going to become the speaker for two years. you've just given her four years! >> well, the second term you need a two thirds vote. which is a much higher bar. super majority to be able to get there. and then we will institute with her support, hopefully, term limits for all leadership moving forward to a six-year term. i think that is a major reform. probably one of the biggest reforms we've seen in the democratic caucus in decades. and that will prevent the consecration of power in our house leadership which is a big big reform for us. you know, it is one of those deals you always get what you want but you get sent that really moves the ball down the field and i am proud of what we've done in the reforms we been making. maria: look at the makerstransf
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makeup of the new congress. ocasio-cortez or new congress -- can you get a shot for the nominee of president with 2020 with all of the lefties you are dealing with? [laughter] >> well, we've a pretty broad coalition in the democratic party. we certainly have a strong progressive caucus. also a 25 member blue.com is a new democratic caucus which is a little bit more moderate. we've got a big dent in the democratic party. and i think the nominee for our party in 2020, is going to be somebody who is really focus on jobs and the economy and had to be again, get ourselves ready to compete with russia and china. more china economically and russia, militarily. how do we get ready to do that and who has the reform ideas around education, around the
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economy, or in moving private venture capital.again, i hope the democrats can nominate somebody who is for a conscious capitalism. one that is focused on shared growth and shared prosperity. as i said, the venture capitol money out of california and massachusetts into places like ohio in flint michigan which is key to moving forward. maria: is funny to see the leader on the democratic side from california. the leader on the republican side. kevin mccarthy, from california. we'll be watching all of the developments. it is good to see you this morning, please come back soon. >> thanks, merry christmas! maria: very christmas. congressman jim ryan. james comey due on capitol tomike -- set to testify tomorrow. congressman, it is good to see you. thank you for being here. >> a real pleasure.
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tomorrow will be a very different day for james comey. particularly in light of what we have learned. the misconduct during the flynn investigation thanks to a judge that demanded to understand what had happened. maria: the last time he came before your committee, he said he did not remember or did not recall 245 times. how are you going to get him to be honest this time? >> he made a comment not long ago that they never would have gotten michael flynn at them organize administrations. he says in lamest terms they violated his miranda rights and tricked him into not having a lawyer when in fact, he was not only a suspect but a target and they had transcripts. this kind of conduct we have not seen in a long time, it is the reason there was a decision about informed rights. i would not be surprised if the conviction of michael flynn is overturned because of the justice department and the fbi
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misconduct and in fact confidentially all the way to the supreme court with new protections when the fbi and department of justice lies to somebody and tricked them into making statements. then charges them with a lie that they entrapped them. maria: we ran that sound by early of james comey san we would not have been able to get away with it if it were a more organized administration. it certainly did look like with the wall street journal called entrapment. what else do you want to get from james comey when we follow your investigation all year and we know that they were abuse to the fisa court. do you think you can move the ball forward? >> i think we will. particularly post dating the 302. making documents morph into what they want them to rather than writing them and having them be a historic document. certainly, the fisa abuse. we will learn more and more. ultimately, for the first time ever i believe the next congress, the senate might actually have to go to a federal judge and say, let's
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talk about the lies you were told. because we are getting stonewalled by this department of justice. but tomorrow is a big day to at least ask some very specific questions on new revelations. and things we didn't get to because james comey very carefully put a hard stop and that allowed him to get out and take a breather. maria: our economy of jim comey and loretta lynch next week as well.what is a potential rod rosenstein testifying? request a talk to chairman goodlatte. he is still working on it. i certainly, rosenstein would like to avoid it but i think we will get him.spent congressman, it is good to see you. we will watch developers tomorrow and all week. thank you so much. >> thank you. >> up next the i'm ken jacobus and i switched to the spark cash card from capital one. i earn unlimited 2% cash back on everything i buy. and last year, i earned $36,000 in cash back. which i used to offer health insurance to my employees. what's in your wallet?
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maria: welcome back. president trump will nominate william bar once again leave the department.
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he was in position 91 to 1993. review former u.s. attorney or under george w. bush. think of it joining us. your reaction to the nomination of william barr. >> terrific choice. not only was he attorney general at one time but he is a real lawyer. at one time he was assistant attorney general in charge of what was called the office of legal counsel. his office essentially a lawyer, the lawyer for the justice department and rest of the government. it attracts the best people in the department. that and the solicitor generals office get the best lawyers. andy headed that department. he is a super pick. believe he will seek the truth in terms of these investigations we've been covering all year? >> absolute. maria: i took him at the fbi putting his finger on the scale on the 2016 election, trying to stop donald trump taste on text from peter strzok and lisa paige. the handling of the hillary
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clinton investigation where they were at an exoneration letter before they interviewed her. do you think that will pursue those things? >> i do. he will pursue them to the extent that he has the authority to do it. and i think he has enough authority to do both. maria: what about all of the investigations coming from the democrats against the president? virtually every corner of his life is now under investigation. >> well, it is kind of sad because the -- in the beginning it was resist. and the notion that somehow politicians were sent to washington simply to harass and conduct investigations of another administration, is really disturbing. maria: let me move on to michael flynn. because you don't think this was entrapment at all. >> no. maria: tell me about that. >> entrapment means overbearing someone's will. in other words if someone resists committing a crime you persuade them and giving
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somebody the opportunity to commit a crime that is otherwise inclined to commit is not entrapment. even if it sounds or looks unfair. maria: what happened here? what did he lie to the fbi? >> that is an excellent question. i think that the truth would have been fine. he, at the time he spoke to kislyak he talked about sanctions and apparently the resolution condemning israel for expanding its settlements in the west bank and expanding settlements in east jerusalem. and he had every right to do that. he was a designee to be national security advisor. it would have been malpractice for him not to do it. they interviewed him supposedly as because the pretext was they were investigating a violation of the logan act. the logan act pervades private citizens -- for bids private citizens talking about a
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foreign -- they were two prosecutions both unsuccessful. nobody has been prosecuted for that in modern times including you know, jane and rodman and other people talking to people that we had disputes with. maria: so they knew that he spoke to kislyak. >> they had a recording of it. maria: had the recording and yet, he was afraid of the logan act? >> i doubt he is afraid of the logan act. no one is afraid of it is probably unconstitutional. maria: so why lie? >> that is a good question. maybe he was afraid of possible scandals about the trump contact with the russians. i don't know.but he could conceivably have lied out of fear of a logan act prosecution. maria: before you go, what about the mueller probe?what are your thoughts on where we are and what it looks like in the new year with a new congress? >> we are where we were before.
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there is -- robert mueller was put in place only because it was necessary to have someone to have an independent counsel to investigate the question of whether there was a criminal relationship between the trump campaign and the russians. there has been no showing of any such connection. people have been indicted for problems that had nothing to do with the russians. michael cohen has been, paul manafort has been, but nobody makes that connection. and that is where we started. maria: we will see what comes out of it. it has now been two years. >> right. maria: judge, great to see. >> thank you. spoon always fantastic. a federal judge has ruled obama care unconstitutional. how the tax reform law signed last year led to the judge's last year led to the judge's hi.i just wanted to tell you that chevy won a j.d.power dependability award for its midsize car-the chevy malibu. i forgot.
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chevy also won a j.d. power dependability award for its light-duty truck the chevy silverado. oh, and since the chevy equinox and traverse also won chevy is the only brand to earn the j.d. power dependability award across cars, trucks and suvs-three years in a row. phew. third time's the charm...
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millions of americans are not facing uncertainty with health insurance coverage after federal judge in texas ruled obama care is unconstitutional. let's bring in our panel. if the state was visiting fellow at the heritage foundation for the founder and chairman of -- also a member of the president ronald reagan advisory board. a pleasure to see you both. thank you for joining us. >> thank you. maria: let's talk about the ruling from a texas judge. unconstitutional. you cannot have a law if you do not have something that punishes those who do not have health insurance. that is why he deemed it unconstitutional. art, you first, your reaction? >> i think is also good for the
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economy. if obamacare were knocked out i think will be huge stimulus because obamacare basically is a huge form of government subsidies and spending, government spending is taxation. i think this would be very helpful. by the way would also help keep down cost and those costs are rising very rapidly in healthcare. maria: they sure are! even on average, the cost was supposed to go down next year. in some states, it is still up! 80 percent, 50 percent. it depends on where you are. steve, what is your reaction to this end i guess the next question is, does the supreme court ruled the same way or will the democrats and republicans be able to come together on a new healthcare package next year? >> hi maria. i'm not a lawyer so i cannot tell you what the supreme court will do but the contradiction of obamacare for people who favor it has always been, if this is such a wonderful health care plan for people, why do you have to push them to buy it? liberals have never had a response to that. what really interesting, with donald trump is doing, regardless of what the supreme
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court decides, with donald trump is doing has been phenomenal in healthcare. providing americans alternatives to obamacare that are much cheaper in effect at the next couple of years because of what donald trump is doing you'll see healthcare premiums declining. i have two sons in their late 20s just getting started with their career. they cannot afford obamacare. they can go out under donald trump plan in front health insurance plan that costs half as much is obamacare. maria: the next catalyst will be the supreme court ruling then, you think? >> the supreme court, remember the five justices upheld aca before still on the court. >> by the way, i think that is the way it is. you know, the other irony of obamacare by the way, the title of that law is the affordable care act.and yet, the premiums in most states have doubled since obamacare was put in place. it is the unaffordable care
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act. maria: very good point there steve! real quick, we are facing another deadline.a possible government shutdown. what is the impact? >> it is political, primarily i believe. i don't think you'll be much economic impact. it is just not large enough. most of the government is already funded and it will just be a delay for a lot of those where the pay will be retroactive. it is a political issue and it will determine which side has the strength and political power to make it through. maria: real quick, the big debate, will we see a slowdown in the economy in the next two years? steve, your prediction? >> no! this economy is actually phenomenal. i just gave a talk this week to the national association of manufacturers. i the manufacturing sector today stronger than it's been
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probably in 30 years. construction is great, industrial production is great. consumer confidence is high. maria: so that -- >> the first thing was a surprise on tuesday, this is working better than we even thought! thought! maria: gentlemen, good to see hey! yeah!? i switched to geico and got more! more savings on car insurance!? they helped with homeowners, too! ok! plus motorcycle, boat and rv insurance! geico's got you covered! like a blanket! houston? you seeing this? geico. expect great savings and a whole lot more.
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lou: good evening, everybody. our top stories, win, win, win. that's what this president does. and somehow no matter the momentary or persistent turmoil and turbulence that his enemies stir up, the president emerges with wins and lots of them. this week no different. the president prevailing against the mueller witch hunt's corrupt efforts to distort michael cohen's law breaking as if it were mr. trump's. and it's not. caravan migrants also demanding money to not invade america. president trump picking up support against those who want our borders and treasury to be

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