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winner over next couple years. lauren: ross gerber, thank you very much. [closing bell rings] markets close mixed for the day, the very first trading day of february. that is it for countdown. "after the bell" is next. have a great weekend. melissa, stocks closing out the day mixed but finishing up the week in green. up 58 points. not bad. better than expected jobs number helping things along the way. nasdaq ending in the red. s&p 500 fighting for gains into close. i'm melissa francis. connell: i'm connell mcshane. good to be with you. this is "after the bell." we got that part right. the two parts at the beginning. rest of it we're not so sure about. here is what is new at this hour. ♪ connell: far from common ground, president trump standing firm on his worder wall demands. gap between white house and
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democratic leaders grows even wider, is declaring a national emergency the president's next step? we're live at white house with very latest. plus a bright spot in the u.s., china, trade talks. president trump is optimistic on a deal. but a few democratic senators remain skeptical. they're urging the administration to remain aggressive in the negotiations. making it official, new jersey senator cory booker throwing his hat into the ring for 2020. what his presidential bid could be mean for what is already a crowded democratic field. melissa: back to the markets, the dow ending in the green pushed higher by visa, exxonmobil, intel. kristina partsinevelos on floor of new york stock exchange. christina? >> we're at session highs but nonetheless closed in the green. what has contributed? you alluded to the jobs numbers. we also got ism manufacturing numbers. for the jobs report, really beat
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analyst expectations. economists expecting a lot less. look at those numbers 304,000 jobs added. we had the partial shutdown. the shutdown did contribute though to the unemployment rate which hike ad little higher to the 4%. also some positives. focus on positives. you saw wage growth up 3.2% compared to last year and seems like a lot of furloughed workers, those working for the federal government did tap into the part-time market. you saw a lot of new part-time workers. talking about markets this week, look at that the dow, almost all of them 1.5% higher or the dow almost climbing up higher. so green territory. we know the month of january was best month for stocks in 30 years. we'll see if we continue the trend for february. some of the winners. dow winners for the week. you got boeing on the board there. boeing is really 100 billion-dollar revenue company. earnings. strong margin expansion. apple up over 5%.
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reason being has to do a shift towards services even though iphone sales are down. last but not least. exxonmobil, 6% higher. better-than-expected earnings and strong profit. some of the winners. another busy day here at the new york stock exchange. back to you guys. melissa: kristina, thank you. connell: president trump celebrating those jobs numbers that kristina just talked about earlier today. take a listen. >> we're the strongest nation in the world. so that was really good. but those numbers were very, very impressive. we're doing fantastically well. so we'll take that every single time. connell: here to react, carol roth, creator of the future file planning system. michelle gerard is with us and from natwest markets where she is managing director. michelle, start with you. you can't argue with anything the president said there. is today a game-changer for you with you saw today? >> important number and
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important development could you could coupled with the ism manufacturing index which fell so sharply in december, rattled markets, particularly on going strength of the labor market driving home the point that the economy is not falling off a cliff. so much pessimism about the u.s. economy. saw that reflected in volatility around the turn of the year. this is a good reminder. the economy is okay. we've come into the year with good momentum, unemployment, stabilization in manufacturing. it is not as dire as i think people had started to fear. connell: the worst fears were out there. chuck, to that point, one of my reads on this along the lines what michelle was changing, maybe shifts our time horizons when we thought things would happen. for example, when will the economy slow down? all these questions? is there going to be a recession? if you thought it was this year maybe later in the year or next
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year or something like that. what is your take? >> doesn't look like immediately ahead of us. these numbers, this is 100 months in a role with this kind of payroll growth. the thing impressed me the most, way market handed news, hourly wages up 3.2%. two years ago that tanked the market. growth in wages was ahead of expectations. connell: right. >> we know the fed is out of the picture, that gives markets clear run higher. this bodes well for markets going higher. connell: do you agree with that carol? if you're jay powell saying i'm very, very patient. you see a number like this i lost all my patience? >> i think powell is sweating it out today. boy did he paint himself into a corner. i think he wishes his speech was after this report instead of before. if we had the trends and numbers, it will be very difficult, he said not only are they patient on interest rates, they may actually change their position on the balance sheet
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run-up. i think these numbers continuing in this trajectory will make it very difficult for him to stay on the sidelines. i feel like he has to. he can't make another u-turn or he would rattle the markets. melissa: no one said it would be a easy job. larry kudlow, national economic director, echoing the president's comments and touting a strong economy. listen. >> people keep talking about a recessions, there is general gloom and doom and pessimism, it is not so. we talked about this. the economy is very healthy. the president was tweeting out this morning i think correctly the usa is still the hottest economy in the world. melissa: so, michelle, all of these worries about the trade war, just making a huge dent in u.s. economic growth and, having an effect on china and then us stealing that over here, do you think that was overblown. are we just not seeing it yet? what is your thought, given numbers today, what larry kudlow is saying?
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>> i was really watchful of the spike in uncertainty around the turn of the year. i think a lot of that uncertain was reflected or reflected the concerns about trade, concerns about tariffs. boy that weak ism number we mentioned for december. the tariff nervousness was kind of sporadic, throughout the report. you could hear that concern. honestly the news has gotten better on that front. i don't know if it was president seeing impact that those concerns were having on the stock market that led to some, i think change in tone, but the markets are feeling better about the prospects an agreement or something more positive. certainly avoidance of the worst-case scenario with trade. i think that, again, companies embraced that. and, as you said, as we've seen from the numbers, to date, we're not, we see uncertainty having an impact. we see confidence down. but in terms of actually pulling back activity, it is not seeming to have effect.
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melissa: shah, you agree with that? >> i agree 100% with that. the market psychology has changed. it changed rather quickly. in december things were so negative going into december, they were horrible, day before christmas. looked in hindsight a capitulation blowout but the psychology changed very quickly. now investors once again focusing on positive earnings. we know the fed is out of the way, sidelined for the most part, probably at least first half of the year. the thing the market is focusing on, will there, will there not be a china trade deal? melissa: carol, what is your thought on that? because if you try and separate out, what have we seen on the data, the data looks good. what is negative is is the worry, the anticipation, that things could fall apart. you know, it is more of the stuff that is less tangible. so if we do get some sort of a deal, even if it isn't everything the president and
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markets want, will that be a relief? >> it will be a huge relief. certainly i think trade deals, going through is one of the biggest avoidable headwinds from the market. it is something that is to be expected. that being said, i don't think concerns were overblown. we have bifurcated economy between products and services. on products side we're seeing challenges. fortunately we have strong service side of the economy. main street is doing really well. i think there is a little bit of a shift. if we get some kind of a deal, that will be benefit to the economy as well as to the markets. melissa: michelle gerard, always brilliant. thank you for coming on. carol, shah, you're also brilliant. you're sticking around. don't to anywhere. connell: latest round of u.s.-china trade talks are over despite optimism, some democrats are urging treasury secretary
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steve mnuchin to stay aggressive in the negotiations. edward lawrence live in d.c. as usual on the trade beat. edward. reporter: connell, they want to keep their foot on the gas. the chinese delegation back in china, reporting back to president xi xinping. the chinese president told president donald trump in a letter he wants to meet the u.s. halfway. the president still holding to the march 1st deadline on tariffs on $200 billion of chinese good, going from 10%, to 25%. u.s. trade representative robert lighthizer says chinese are resent tiff enforcement written in any deal. white house advisor larry kudlow at the negotiating table yesterday. today he says he feels good about the future of a deal with china. >> they had a good vibe. they covered a lot of ground, very important. ambassador lighthizer suggested we look, both sides looked at more specifics than ever before. now we're not ready to put it on paper and there is a lot of work
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that must be done. reporter: three democratic senators wrote the letter to treasury secretary steve mnuchin. that letter saying in part, for far too long american inmotivatetores and workers need ad much more aggressive approach to china. china must stop the abusive practice of technology transfer and stop trade and economic espionage that pilfers our intellectual property and know how. u.s. companies must be permitted to freely come beat in china. mid-february is the next meeting in china with the u.s. delegation. connell? connell: edward thanks. melissa: shah, real quick, let me get reaction to those details. what do you think? >> the idea we could possibly get a comprehensive deal with china to me is between slim and none. what is partly behind the scenes, military sabre-rattling in south china sea, missiles pointed capable of reaching guam and two superpowers facing off m terms of trade i think president of the united states need as deal to move the market higher. the chinese need a deal even
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more because their economy is suffering. i think we'll get a deal. i think more of superficial deal. i don't think it is all encompassing. >> we'll see. i don't think it is accident those things are tied together and visit north korea and stop in the middle. we appreciate it. connell: good chance that he will declare a national emergency. that is what president trump is saying as negotiations offer the border wall remain at a stand still. and as we hear the looming february 15th deadline coming closer and closer to us, to try to avert another government shutdown. will the president indeed take action? melissa: another democrat entering a race for 2020. will this long list of contenders end up helping or hurting the party's chances taking over the white house? connell: security officials are working around the clock to assure safety of spectators at super bowl liii. we're live in atlanta later this hour. ♪
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connell: president trump set to depart from joint base andrews in the not so distant future. the plane is already for him. things look a little icy. on his way down to palm beach. after doubling down on border security, the president leaving open to potential national emergency declaration, in order to get funding for the wall. let's get to blake burman, with more on this at the white house. blake. reporter: cold as it looks. i bet they have the heat pumping there through air force one. president trump about to leave the white house here any moment, said earlier today, relates to the national emergency along the southern border, there is a good chance that could happen. the president loves to have viewing audience. he set up state of the union on
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tuesday evening as possibility of potentially making that announcement then. >> we will be looking at a national emergency, because i don't think anything is going to happen. i think democrats don't want border security. >> do you expect to declare a national -- >> i don't want to say. you will hear the state of the union. you will see what happens after the state of the union. reporter: you will see what happens after the state of the union. there is of course a group of democrats and republicans up on capitol hill trying to hammer out a border security package. the president continues to call that group a total waste of time. but members of that group say, they deserve a chance. >> i want to tell the american people in this room, there are republicans and democrats at the table who want to solve this problem. i'm committed to solving this problem and i think what we're going to see is very pragmatic people, hopefully come up with a solution that will be, will be suitable for the white house.
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reporter: the president did acknowledge some of the challenges declaring a national emergency along the southern border. if he ends up doing that, it will go to the ninth circuit court of appeals. connell, as you know that is court not friendly at all to this administration's policies. connell: that was interesting. this president knows his tv. that is what we call a tease for state of the union. melissa: right. connell: melissa. melissa: joining us now, ford o'connell, civic forum pac chairman, republican strategist. we might need a civil forum. but it is civic forum. what do you think of the president's tease there? what do you think is going to happen? >> well look, i think hope springs eternal we'll get a legislative compromise president trump don't have to go that route. number one priority of the president of the united states is the safety and security of the u.s. and its citizens. frankly the situation at southern border qualifies at national security. since 1976, 58 national
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securities have been declared. it is not unknown precedent. hope he doesn't have to go that route but he may. melissa: would it help if he and speaker pelosi zipped lip here for next week or so? >> i think that would think that would be a very good idea here. we understand pelosi and trump should be able to reach a compromise because we have 650 miles of border barriers on southern border. congress approved them under past three presidents. >> we're not talking about logic. we're not talking about logic. everybody on both sides, ironically, if you break down details they're not very part at all. obviously there is deal to be made, a lot both sides want. plenty of compromise out there. i saw one lawmakers earlier today actually in the room right now and they said no matter what speaker pelosi is saying on the side, basically she has said whatever this committee comes up with, she will bring to the floor. that's, that's good news, no?
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>> that absolutely is good news. let me say this, if it does have a border barrier in it or money for a border barrier, we'll absolutely have a legislative compromise. i think one of the crazy things in this deal, congress approved it in the past. all trump is asking for 200 more miles. that is how ridiculous the stalemate is. melissa: there's a lot of crazy to go around in this particular battle, tons of crazy. if we got rid of the word wall for a wall, agreed no one would say it, we could get the whole thing done. they are talking about it, what is it, i don't know, a modern wall, saying we want some thin slats and some bonderrer patrol and some this and some that, aren't both sides pretty close together? >> i think they are very close to together. melissa: smart wall, is what i was looking for. go ahead. >> we sometimes use the word smart wall, we throw that around too much. let me say this, drones and smart technology are complimentary items but not a
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substitute whatever physical barrier, slats, whatever you want to call it. we've seen the proof in the past. melissa: we could call it a monument to climate change or something, vertical monument? all kind of different names. >> whatever we need to call it so be it. but i will say this though, seems to me though that the democrats basically don't want to give trump any sort of border barriers. they think it will help make him a one-term president in 2020. i have a bigger problem, melissa, that i really do believe there is far more sinister reason that democrats doing this, other than donald john trump. i think they have zero interest to get immigration as they want to import a new set of borders than the citizens in the united states. melissa: we'll set that aside. >> thanks, melissa. >> policing internet. as we continue here, the president's roll back of obama era net neutrality challenged in court. what it could mean for the trump
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connell: taking on the white house agenda, the administration net neutrality agenda is being taken on in court. hillary vaughn has the latest on this hillary? reporter: connell, oral arguments begin today that will essentially decide the internet's future. federal communications in a legal battle to decide what rules the internet. fcc repealed new net neutrality rules in 2017 prompting lawmakers to fight the roll back
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to restore regulations. the case mozilla corporation versus fcc is be used in the u.s. court of appeals in district of columbia. they are deciding whether or not the fcc chairman ajit pai had the right to end the regulations in first place. matthew berry says the supreme court already did that. saying in statement that the supreme court affirmed fcc authority to classify broadband as title one information service. we continue to believe the judiciary will uphold the fcc tradition to return to the regulatory framework under which the internet flourished prior to 2015 and continuing to thrive today. but senator he had markky says he will introduce a bill to permanently reinstate net neutrality rules as law. quoting i'm at d.c. circuit court net neutrality is getting its day in in court. whether in the court or in halls of congress we'll fight to
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defend the free and open internet. the time to introduce his legislation he says is imminent. connell. neil: we'll continue to follow this with all the ramifications for business. thanks. >> any minute, president trump is set to depart the white house for joint base andrews before heading to palm beach. we'll bring you any breaking comments from the president this hour. this is after he hinted about a potential meeting with chinese president xi as the world's two largest economies work to end the ongoing trade war. can they get it done? we'll talk to gordon chang next. ♪ with fidelity's real-time analytics, you'll get clear, actionable alerts about potential investment opportunities in real time. fidelity. open an account today.
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>> when we make the deal with china you are talking about will be a different world for us. we lost $500 billion a year with china, for many years, 500 billion, not million, 500 billion. we're not going to do that anymore. our relationship with china is extraordinary. my relationship with mt. xi is better, i guarranty than any relationship of a president and a president. connell: to that point president trump today suggested he might meet with the chinese president xi xinping when he travels to east asia later this month for a second summit with the north korean leader kim jong-un. so, let's bring in china expert, gordon chang, author of, the coming collapse of china among other books. gordon, always good to see you. on that meeting, first of all, president shown openness to
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maybe meeting with president xi, should that meeting from the u.s. perspective be in china on their turf? does that matter? >> it does matter, and it shouldn't be in china on their turf. they need us so much more than we need them. it should be mar-a-lago, someplace in the u.s. i don't like the idea it is right after the meeting with kim jong-un, because the chinese will do what they always do, they will say we'll help you on north korea if you give us concession on trade. well they never have helped us on north korea. they're openly violating sanctions. we should impose costs on niece not just for stealing ip but violating north korea sanctions. connell: not that we won't get a deal, but that we will, and it won't be the right kind of deal, right? >> they're talking about lifting tariffs, when you have an agreement with china. well, that's wrong. what you should do is lift the tariffs when the chinese stop stealing ip, stop all the made
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in china 2025 nonsense. you only remove the costs when they actually comply. these guys talking about enforcement mechanism in the deal. we have an enforcement mechanism. it is the tariffs. connell: keep tariffs in place? >> yes. connell: i noticed yesterday we had play back from white house meeting president had with liu he, the trade rep, lighthizer he said, i'm quoting him, he said enforcement, enforcement, enforcement. he kept going back to that again. he is hard-liner on these things, lighthizer. you think he pushed for this? >> you look at what the chinese have been saying. they have been resistant to any sort of compliance mechanism and you can understand why. first of all i.p. theft is baked into xi xinping system of state dominated economy. no room for foreigners except surrendering technology. clearly the chinese don't want a enforcement mechanism. lighthizer is absolutely correct
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about that. connell: what is another enforcement mechanism besides tariffs, is there another one, that works? >> you could talk about some sort of arbitration. we don't want that. i think we shouldn't have that. the problem here is, that you have a chinese system which, xi xinping does not believe in the notion of comparative advantage which underpins all of global trade. he just wants basically foreigners to come in and surrender whatever he needs at the moment. this will be very difficult for us. connell: that is the not game he talks recently. >> no. connell: he is out there using term globalization is good, that kind of thing, which is dirty word here in the united states, the way the politics have shifted it is interesting. your basic point, i'm not surprised by this, your basic point he says one thing but still does another? he doesn't back up his words? >> no. what we've seen under china, under xi xinping them closing markets to foreigners. we seen the merger of big state enterprises into formal monopolies. connell: right. >> we've seen them going after
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the chinese private sector as well as foreign companies. the list goes on and on. connell: final point before we let you go, timeline is important for markets and everything else. how do you see this playing out? there will be a meeting of the two? some sort of a deal is struck? not how you want to play it out you have articulated already but what actually happens? >> i think they will get beyond march 1, they will agree to the defer the tariff increase from 10 to 25%. connell: delay it? >> they will end up with some sort of agreement for china to buy more commodities, which will never survive the world trade organization challenge, on its face it is discrime tour. they will do this, we'll have the fight next year down the road. it will certainly become political in the 2020 election campaign, because if trump doesn't get a good deal, the democrats will go after him. connell: because they're tough on this as well. they kind of agree you should be tough on china. interesting, gordon. good to see you. gordon chang. melissa? melissa: putting russia on
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notice. secretary of state mike pompeo announcing that the u.s. is suspending its nuclear arms treaty with the country citing alleged violations. >> the agreements to which we enter must serve american interests. countries must be held accountable when they break the rules. for years russia has violated the terms of the interimmediate range nuclear forces treaty without remorse. melissa: the suspension gives russia the six more months to comply with the treaty before the u.s. formally withdraws. connell: the security in place trying to keep viewers at 75,000 seat mercedes-benz stadium safe. how officials are preparing. that is coming up next. ♪wh they customized my insurance, so i only pay for what i need. i insured my car, and my bike.
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♪ melissa: just two days until the new england patriots face off against the los angeles rams in super bowl liii.
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more than 5000 law enforcement officers, including about 180 bomb-sniffing dogs will be in place to increase security inside of mercedes-benz stadium. cheryl casone is live in atlanta with the latest. cheryl. reporter: temperatures are cooling off here in atlanta but the party is heating up behind me. yes, security is a big issue of course for super bowl liii and the city of atlanta and as you mentioned thousands of law enforcement personnel. we have coast guard folks, s.w.a.t. team, fbi, secret service, local police. in fact state troopers as well, bomb-sniffing dogs everywhere you go. seems like a checkpoint every two minutes to get spot to spot getting to every venue in downtown atlanta and lots of fun. in mercedes-benz stadium the 30 miles radius they block off the airspace. they do that every year for the super bowl. they f-16s that will be
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patrolling the skies. earlier this week on wednesday, when we landed on the ground from new york, kirstjen nielsen, secretary kirstjen nielsen was here, giving a press conference talking about security preps. i love what she said. she told us, this is about the fans. the security is really up to all of us. take a listen. >> fans do continue to be our greatest resource to insure a safe and secure gameday. they serve as the eyes and ears of the public safety officials supporting super bowl liii. public safety is everyone's responsibility. and we need the public to remember, if you see something, say something. reporter: you know, that phrase is good for any city across this country but really especially here in atlanta. there is about a million people, guys, that are going to be descending on hotlanta this weekend. like i said the party is going. the journey sing along is finally ended. lord knows what is coming up
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next. the crowd behind me is getting revved up. maybe the rams going home with a big trophy. melissa: go to that sing along. reporter: you betcha. connell: we are joined by john pistole, former faa director and. this report strike as couple things. this is done every year, securing the super bowl. this is obviously a huge event. does that play into it, don't say make it easier, but there is routine for this in law enforcement? >> there is. for the men and women of the fbi and state and local police and first-responders this is something they have a lot of practice on. because it's a national security special event, there is special funding and planning that takes place every year for this and several other events but this is the big one obviously. connell: yeah. >> so what was mentioned, there are absolutely layers of
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security so that if somebody, somehow was able to get through, for example, with a vehicle-born improvised explosive device with a bomb in a truck at one checkpoint, the plan, they would be intercepted at the next checkpoint before it ever made it to the stadium. connell: the other thing, the timing of this, they're lucky they don't have to deal with the government shutdown. i don't know how they would have dealt with it. whether appropriating funds in a different way. i'm sure they would make it as fully funded as possible. they don't have to deal with that. that part of it is over. what about the times we live in? there is always new threats coming on board. we deal with them at new events. what about adjusting to them like a event at super bowl, what is your worry, 2019? >> there is quite a bit of predictive analysis goes into planning. security of event like a super bowl. i mentioned the vehicle-borne improvised explosive device. one of the new ones, drones
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interfering with air traffic in the new york metropolitan area. not just a drone, but one that would have a chemical, biological, radiological, nuclear device that could go over the stadium, even though it's a covered stadium, roof will be closed, that be several drones. one could drop an explosive device to blow a hole and second could drop some type of device in. connell: wow. >> that is one type. cyberattacks that may affect electrical grid that could cause panic. connell: right. >> there is always an insider threat which is equally troubling, if somebody that is working in security, somehow has access -- connell: has a pass already can get in, credentials. they check the credentials but somebody of course, you have to always, they dot background checks as best they can. >> right. connell: go back to the drone issue for a moment with you? >> sure. connell: forget about the super bowl for a moment or add to the super bowl, boy this is a growing threat obviously. we've seen it at airports.
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are we doing enough there? seems like more has to be done to get on top of this issue, that particular issue with drones, right? >> yes, i think you're right. so faa, which has responsibility for the airspace and the safety of aircraft and airports, tsa, transportation security administration which i headed deals with security, so it's a shared responsibility. as they look at working with other federal agencies that might have intelligence about any particular threats. and there are known and useful countermeasures, for example, that can be used to shoot down a drone and all that. the question is, what is the most reliable and the most timely in terms of being able to identify a drone. connell: right. >> then neutralize it, however that would work. there is a lot of planning. there is a lot of work that has been down, but haven't found that solution quite yet, i don't believe. connell: obviously something more work has to be done on. john, good to see you.
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we hope obviously for safe game this weekend. we appreciate it. melissa: president trump at joint base andrews. we're monitoring the president for any comments he might make before heading to florida. meantime democratic senator cory booker entering the crowded race for the 2020 election. who has the best shot to take on president trump? we are diving in. ♪ but allstate helps you. with drivewise. feedback that helps you drive safer. and that can lower your cost now that you know the truth... are you in good hands? our grandparents checked zero times a day. times change. eyes haven't. that's why there's ocuvite. screen light... sunlight... longer hours... eyes today are stressed. but ocuvite has vital nutrients... ...to help protect them. ocuvite. eye nutrition for today.
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issues. melissa: senator cory booker announcing his presidential campaign today, joining an already very crowded field of 2020 democratic candidates. does he have a chance to win the nomination? joining us now to discuss eliza collins, "usa today" political reporter. what do you think? what are his chances like? where does he fit in? >> like you mentioned the field is so big, we don't really know who will come out in the end. we saw in 2016 a massive republican field and president donald trump won but i do think that cory booker definitely has a chance. he is a u.s. senator. he has a staff that has experience with this. some of these people have run campaigns before. they come from hillary, the hillary campaign. they come from iowa. they know about how to do this retail politicking in the early states. booker is a very good speaker. he is, he can rally crowds. he can be inspirational.
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it is a crowded field and we don't know who will come forward as the front-runner. melissa: howard schultz making the point that the party, the democratic party very divided in terms of being center and being super left. listen to that. i will get your thoughts on the other side. no? >> the democratic party is moving so far to that position. that is not where i am. i don't believe there is any room for me as a centrist person who could get the nomination within the party today. melissa: is that true? i mean, does the centrist person have a chance among the democrats? and where would you put cory booker? >> i don't think howard chance has a chance among the democrats. he is talking about running as an independent. if we've seen anything the last few weeks that democrats really do not ban want him to run. primaries pull you to the far left or far right. >> right. >> i don't think there is more
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chance for a centrist democrats. many would like someone like joe biden to run. he is not a complete centrist, but certainly more centrist than say bernie sanders, who is being considering, running or elizabeth warren who announced a exploratory committee. melissa: where do you put booker in that? >> booker, i would not say he as far left as those two but he is certainly on the more progressive end. he is a new jersey senator. so he has connections to wall street and sort of big money and that is something that will, i have no doubt come up and people will try to kind of go at him with that. he has announced he will not take pac money. he is trying to distance himself from that. melissa: yeah. >> that could end up hurting him in a primary a democratic primary. melissa: political consultant who worked with him repeatedly told me that he just doesn't work very hard on the campaign trail. that he doesn't have the same kind of passion and commitment to go out there and really get it done in a crowded field.
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you're going to need to do that. you know, i mean does that jibe what you've seen about him? do you think that is true? >> that is really interesting. i have seen criticisms he is sort of a really good speaker. and not necessarily as much on the kind of policy parts of this but i'm not sure that is necessarily true. i mean this is someone who worked very closely, actually with the white house in the fall to get criminal justice reform over the finish line. that is one of the only bipartisan policy achievements that this congress and white house can say. he worked very closely with jared kushner. that could hurt him in a primary. cory booker has been preparing for a very long time. so i think he is a passionate, he is very well-liked. and so we'll have to see. i don't know much about kind ever his work ethic on the trail, but i know he has been planting seeds for this a very long time. melissa: eliza collins. thank you. >> thanks. connell: interesting to see. i was on the floor in philadelphia, when he spoke at
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the convention of the he can make a speech, cory booker. melissa: there is not any doubt about that. it is rest. connell: they're getting so far to the left, there would be a opening in center from logical point of view. maybe it is joe bidens. timing out the national anthem. how about that. get your guesses in. melissa: right. connell: you can bet literally everything. how much footballs will be inflated. >> well -- connell: the number of times president trump will tweet on super bowl sunday? melissa: that is funny, we'll have some outrageous bets and what odds are among them. coming up next. ♪ ey don't have any of those. i want to know what i'm paying upfront. yes, absolutely. do you just say yes to everything? hm. well i say no to kale. mm. yeah, they say if you blanch it it's better, but that seems like a lot of work. no hidden fees. no platform fees.
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connell: testing your odes onsu. it's estimated americans will wager $6 billion on the game this year. some people, it's not just the final score. you can bet on anything. and we're joined now to break
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that down by my friend mike. former colleague from my morning days and it says here he's now an internet radio host. >> how about that. connell: all right. you're covering this to the extent that -- you're covering this idea of betting on literally anything. i want to put it on the screen. you can bet on the length of the national anthem. how about this, will dilly dilly be said whereby one of your favorite phrases. and then how many times does the president tweet. the anthem is gladys knight. what are we looking at there. >> gladys night over under is a minute 50 seconds. i think she's going to go over. and also the last six super bowls have all been over a minute 45. let's all go over. let's make that money. connell: the dilly dilly thing is stupid. >> don't lie.
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that is your favorite phrase. i see you tweeting it all of the time. i have no idea what dilly dilly means people scream it to me at the bar. but the question is will bud light use it in their commercial. connell: what should we do on the trump tweet? >> it's 9.5 but it's throughout the whole entire day. >> let's say the referee blows a call, he might go off or maybe he congratulates the patriots. what if he waits until the next morning. let's go over. connell: have a good one. melissa: go buccaneers, tampa bay bucks.
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connell: patriots or rams, what do you think? we don't care. have a good game. have a good weekend and enjoy the game. melissa: absolutely. "bulls and bears" starts right now. ♪ david: hi, everybody, this is "bulls and bears." thanks for joining us. i'm david asman. joining me on the panel, we have heather, jonah and adam la shin sci. worries that a record long government shutdown would slow things down, the economy is firing on all cylinders. 3400 jobs added in january, way beyond the estimates, six straight months of a better than 3% wage growth. very important for the working class. earning season kicking off strong and stocks posting their

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