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political nitpicking quite some time months of hearings and the like. markets are interpreting it as crisis that passed. other important things like earnings and good initial public offerings. to charles payne on all of that. hey, charles. charles: neil, a strong economy as well. you're absolutely right. good afternoon, folks. i'm charles payne. this is "making money." a lot of coming up. the latest on the mueller report it it is out. also pinterest and zoom going public. it is rainbows and dollar signs on wall street as unicorns make magical debuts. shift the attention from d.c. and mueller to making money. now the investigation into russian collusion is complete, what's next for robert mueller and the media in the white house. all that and so much more on "making money." ♪ charles: so the redacted mueller report is out on russian
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interference in the 2016 election. congress and the public now have access to that report which describes in detail the investigation into possible collusion between the trump campaign and the russian government. according to attorney general william barr this special counsel did not find evidence of collusion. the report details several instances where president trump was investigated by potential acts of obstruction of justice. barr also said, quote, no material has been redacted based on executive privilege. here to break it all down in almost 500 page report is, through the redactions is edward lawrence. edward? reporter: that shows the cooperation you mentioned. the fact that he didn't exert executive privilege. attorney general says that shows cooperation white house is giving. without question the report lace to rest that there was no coordination between the trump campaign and russians to win the election. attorney general barr said the
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report also shows trump nor any american colluded with the russians. >> that is the bottom line of after nearly two years of investigation, thousands of subpoenas, hundreds of warrants, and witness interviews the special counsel confirmed that the russian government sponsored efforts to illegally interfere with the 2016 presidential election but did not find that the trump campaign or other americans colluded in those efforts. reporter: the report is not as direct when talking about obstruction of justice. this is what democrats have latched on to today. there are 11 instances of obstruction analyzed in the report. 10 of them deal directly with the president. there are really three key dates in 2017. report zeroed on in on obstruction of justice june 14th, 2017 when the media reported the president is under investigation. the report says that prompted a june 17th call from the president to white house counsel don mcgahn, directing him to argue that the special counsel had a conflict of interest and
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must be removed. mcgahn declined to make the call. june 19th, the tremendous met with corey lewandoski giving him a message to general jeff sessions, that the election was unfair and should be only on future election interference. lewandoski never followed through. it also did not find that he did obstruct justice. charles: thank you, edward. now congress and american public have access to most of the mueller report, there will be a whole lot more questions and second-guessing. here so explain, two attorneys, lisa garber and misty marris. people making fact of there was no face-to-face interview. even with the stuff that president trump submitted there were 30 times at least he couldn't recall or couldn't remember, things like that.
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does that make it ambiguous at all, the result of this? >> after looking at the report, i haven't gotten to read all 500 pages yet but it is not unusual to subpoena a president in this kind of circumstance but it is not very typical either. if you look way back in history, thomas jefferson was subpoenaed, nixon was subpoenaed, clinton was subpoenaed some had various responses. not only did trump provide written answer, he didn't remember some of the events specifically, because that was when he was inaugurated into office but additionally we heard this number more than 1 1/2 million pages of records, many, many interviews, 2800 subpoenas, there was more than enough information to go on. charles: right. >> in addition to the trump is lived in the life of public sphere. he is constantly tweeted. there is no huge surprises we've seen so far in the report. charles: we'll get back to that. there are a lot of opinions that there are surprises. what is your initial assessment? >> as far as mueller is
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concerned he had to make a judgment call whether he or not he would go to the subpoena for trump. it would have dragged the investigation out for a much longer time. now the difference is, when you have somebody at the table you say, hey, look at this document, does this reflect your recollection? does this refresh your recollection as to the circumstance? it helps answers some questions where someone doesn't remember f he chose to do that, trump's team they were going to fight it tooth and nail. in history, the past, presidents have made agreements as to the scope of the testimony. here trump wasn't going to do that. he would press this maybe to the supreme court. charles: collusion part seems part of the scrap heap of history. no one is arguing that. but opposition to president trump focusing squarely on obstruction. part of this is they're saying hey, how could ag barr be so concerned about president trump's feelings about his emotional state and the media being mean-spirited toward him and saying yeah, he did a lot of things but it didn't come up,
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there was no corrupt intent. how could he come to that judgment. >> because so much of what trump has displayed and emotional piece is huge part of it, part of his mind set. charles: what about from a legal point of view? can ag barr make that distinction. >> he can with the evidence supplied in the report, additionally what we've seen all all seen in the public sphere how that played out. intent is subjective difficult piece to pin down. on top of it we have no specific crime because there was no crime charged. we keep talking about the standard that is mentioned in the report over and over he is not exonerated. that is not a legal standard we need to live up to here. he doesn't need to prove his innocence. they need to prove he is guilty beyond a reasonable doubt which they did not. charles: you agree with that? >> there is a little bit avenue ounce there, ag barr had to look at all the evidence evidence could i prove this intent beyond a reasonable doubt? that is really the difference. he doesn't have to draw a conclusion as to exactly what his intent was.
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he had to say there is multitude of reasons why each of the 10 events could have happened. look, there is not enough evidence to prove beyond a reasonable doubt. charles: how ironic speculation from the press frustrated and angered president trump. also who he felt it was you know mining his presidency, even though he was fully cooperating. that was enough to make him lash out periodically, or his inexperience. he is not a lawyer. he was in a difficult position. one time he says omf, my presidency. you know what i mean? >> at the same time i agree with what misty is saying such a layered nuance full analysis in this report. really mueller goes through the mind set of the president, the mine set of the people around him. charles: ladies i have only a minute. i want to move this part forward. there is one part mueller is suggesting congress can become the prosecutors on page 382 where he talks about the analysis. congress can per miserably
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criminalize certain obstructive conduct by the president such as subordinating perjury, intimidating witnesses or fabricating evidence. those prohibitions have no separation of powers questions. is this over? can congress now put on their prosecutorial hat and take over from here? >> what you will see, what mueller is referring to here is the check and balances in congress's power to potentially impeach the president which is based on high crimes and misdemeanors. essentially taking what we learned in the the report and categorizing it as that, fitting it into that mold. charles: right. >> with the house way it is who knows what we'll see. it will be more after political decision and legal decision. >> such a good point. just how they categorize it. doesn't matter how the report categorized it. it will be how the democrats are looking at it. it will be a political game time decision whether they choose to start at impeachment process or use it against trump's next
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campaign. charles: we will see. the profit thickens. ladies, thank you both very much. >> thank you. >> president trump celebrating the release of the mueller report. make burman from the white house. blake. reporter: we heard from kellyanne conway, senior advisor to the president, best day for president trump, in his political career since the day he was elected. we heard from vice president mike pence. the vice president put out a statement, bottom line, no coclusion, no obstruction as they see it. president trump held a event at white house earlier in the day, topped off those remarks with these, this brief comment right here. watch. >> i'm having a good day too. it was called no collusion, no obstruction. [cheering] [applause]
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this should never happen to another president again, this hoax. this should never happen to another president again. reporter: a good day says president trump in his own words. when you look into the mueller report though there is one specific day that is garnering a lot of attention. that is june 16th, 2017. according to the mueller report, on that day president trump picked up the phone and called the white house counsel don mcgahn and told the top attorney here at the white house to tell rod rosenstein, that the president wanted the special counsel bob mueller removed. the administration had previously denied, that never took place. here was kellyanne conway earlier today trying to explain all of that. >> if you look at the entire report the president had the complete right to fire mueller. if he wanted to get rid of mueller he could fire him. he could fire him as way of comey. he has constitutional right to do that. this report made clear that he no evidence that he fired jim
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comey to try to impede the investigation. reporter: so where do we go from here? it is clear the administration wants to quote quote, unquote investigate the investigators this was part of the statement i mentioned from the vice president mike pence just moments ago he said the following, quote, now that the special counsel investigation is completed the american people have the right to know whether the initial investigation was in keeping with long-standing justice department standards or even law full at all. we must never allow our justice system to be exploited in pursuit after political agenda. at 2:11 charles, we to through 400 plus pages that is where we stand. we look couple hours from now 4:00, when the president leaves the white house. possible the president talks to us on the departure. if he does, that will draw headlines, charles. >> just a tiny, tiny possibility. if there is a bet i bet he will. blake, thank you very much.
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reporter: see y. charles: mueller report is finally out. while the legal part is history, democrats are deciding how much this should be part of a showdown or maybe a key 2020 election issue. my panel on the fallout. ag press conference report were riveting, investors ignoring the lyft disaster flocking to today's hot ipos. i ace great day on wall street. we'll be right back. you wouldn't accept an incomplete job
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charles: and we're off. the mueller report is out and the gloves are off. democrats calling the attorney general's description of the report propaganda. jerry nadler demanding robert mueller himself come to congress and testify as soon as possible. republicans well they're calling for the investigators to be investigated. this long national nightmare is far from over. joining me fox news contributor jessica tarlov, from the trump 2020 campaign, madison guess did gesioto. to you brace for the political fallout because that day is just beginning. >> complete vindication for president's campaign for many of
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his supporters. finally the full report is released. that is what the democrats wanted. i hope they take time to read all 400 pages about this before they speak out about it. a lot of people are saying things about the report, haven't taken time to read it. i hope they do that. a total vindication. feels really great for two years we heard the false narrative pushed that the president cohueded with russia, that the campaign colluded with russia, would be horrible not only for the campaign, the party, the country and that simply didn't have happen. there was no collusion. charles: jessica, they're not talking about collusion and zeroing in on the obstruction. >> and russia interference, how russia manipulated elections, fomenting discord. charles: i don't want to digress too much. >> that is part of that. charles: i think that's a great story but i don't think it is russia. i think russia took advanced animosity and hatred in our own country we should address at some point as americans but from the democrats where do they go
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from here? what will be the gameplan? will this be a top 2020 campaign issue. >> it will for some. i think choose your own adventure depending on the candidate. for president they will have to deal with. jerry nadler set to speak in few moments. he issued some subpoenas. there will be more to come. you are correct focus will be on obstruction of justice. judge andrew napolitano is on with harris in the last hour, made clear gross acts, kellyanne conway made that clear and it didn't rise to criminality. there are items in the mum letter report democrats will seize upon. how hilarious don, jr., wasn't bright enough that he would actually committing a crime, that is why that didn't happen. the president ordering to get the emails from the hillary clinton server and dnc order iring mike flynn to do that. relationship between manafort and --
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charles: what about the redactions? there were 865 total. forecategories. harm to ongoing matters, 405, personal privacy, 66, investigative techniques, sources 87, and grand jury 307. the democrats say they want to unredacted verse. you still think they should demand for that. >> certainly will ask for i, committee heads you can get a smaller group of the intel committees who will be able to see that but i have heard on both sides of the aisle there are far fewer redactions people expected there to be. for criticism of bill barr from the press, including from our own chris wallace and brit hume said he was acting more like the president's defense attorney than united states of america attorney general. i'm not that disappointed with the redactions. he let some unflattering stories through. charles: madison, jessica hit on it. no one, very few people arguing the criminality. some are now taking shots at the president, president, was he
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presidential. also say perhaps those around him like don mcgahn saved the day which is interesting because, you know, president trump always said he is surrounding himself with the best. the narrative will be that he wanted to do certain things and he was saved by those around him. how would you, how would you rebut that? >> well, i think part of the narrative that we're hearing in addition to that is the fact people are saying now they're passing it off to congress. congress will have to determine whether there is obstruction. there is a lot of misinformation going around who can criminally prosecute obstruction. for many people who don't know the attorney general has the final say. congress does not have the power to criminally prosecute americans for obstruction. they have impeachment power in the constitution. they don't have this power. when it comes to obstruction i hope the narrative ends very quickly as we saw attorney general barr said, there was no obstruction, simply no mens rea to have -- >> there were 10 instances of potential obstruction by
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mueller. >> there is no mens rea for no obstruction charges. charles: we'll leave it there, ladies. this topic, this part won't go away. the collusion part i think is in the trash heap. >> i don't know, charles. charles: jessica, madison, thank you both very much. >> thanks, charles. charles: investors bypassing the mueller report. instead focusing on the economy. it is growing like crazy. you might have heard two real hot ipos. we'll go to the new york stock exchange to check out how well they're faring. -driverless cars... -all ground personnel... ...or trips to mars. $4.95. delivery drones or the latest phones. $4.95. no matter what you trade, at fidelity it's just $4.95 per online u.s. equity trade.
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years. but of course the big, big exciting news on the street today we've got two more hot tech ipos, pinterest and zoom. for the latest let's go to gerri willis. she is at the new york stock exchange. gerri? reporter: charles, you got that right. it has been very exciting down here. we followed pinterest over here watching this company come public this ipo market coming hot there were two ipos at that position today, two of them the pinterest, the stock up 27%. you remember last night they were priced at 19. they're now 24 and change. what is interesting about this, 250 million active users, revenues of 750 million. they were up 60% year-over-year on that top line. no profits yet but their profit loss is narrowing. it is getting small letter pretty significantly so by 8 to 14% quarter over quarter according to the s-1. uptown at the nasdaq zoom coming public too. that is videoconferencing software company.
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their shares on fire, 78% pop. this is amazing move. they were priced at 36. they are now on fire. they value the company at some 10 billion. these companies are raising a lot of money in the capital markets. you got to think about the ipo market, how long can it stay this strong? i posed that question to stacy cunningham the president of the new york stock exchange. listen. >> investor demand has remained strong as additional ipos come to market over the past two weeks. we're certainly seeing a slow down in the first quarter because of government shutdown and others but we have lot of momentum a lot of companies are coming. investors seem to be ready and waiting. reporter: ready and waiting. renaissance capital says starting next week 80 companies will be coming public raising $27 billion. charles? charles: wow, gerri, can't wait. joining me to discuss all of this, carol roth, creator of future file legacy planning system and chief technical
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strategist at money map press, dr barton. carol, let me start with you. we had another ipo, folks, cannabis ipo up 37%. it is sizzling down there for the ipos. are you worried about that, carol? >> i'm not worried. it is not really a surprise, charles, if you think about it. there was such a dearth of ipo activity for so long that investor are hungry for that. on top of that with the fed easy money they're trying to chase bigger opportunities. so you put the two of those together it is not a surprise for me. i think it actually bodes well for a number of the names that are going to be coming public later this year, particularly like a company like flak. charles: dr, i'm a little weird, i'm excited about ipos but i'm more excited industrials are leading the way today. because to me that is even bigger proxy for the u.s. economy. it feels like we're firing on all skilled cylinders, hot ipos. whether uneppoint claims at a 50-year low, whether it's retail
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sales at a two-year high. this feels like, we talk about goldilocks, is this too much of a good thing? >> well i think it's, it's a lot of goldilocks, just everything coming in just right. you already talked with in the last segment about, you know, the redactions being less and the mueller report having an impact. it doesn't look like it is going to slow down the administration at all and what they're trying to push through. so you got all these things coming together. i'm with you on the industrials. love the fact that such a cyclical growth engine like the industrial sector is doing so well. i think we can look for more of that, charles, because i think the thing that's going to rear its head in the second half we're going to start seeing some inflation coming through so having industrials be a place to be in, i think people are looking forward to that and sort of piling into that sector. charles: carol, you're a former investment banker. these are heady times for investment bankers and
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wall street will make a lot of money on this. 230 companies are supposed to go public this year. can the market handle that? >> i think the market will be able to handle some of those but i would expect a lot of winners and losers. this is a time in the market if you're an investment banker, if you want to get out, get out now. don't expect this market is here next year. that is not necessarily for a great thing for people long term investors. you have to be really careful trying to get in on the hot ipo ahead of what is to come so it's, definitely it is a mixed bag. i think the market will be able to handle the volume short term but it's a long-term issue, especially if you have the long-term view. charles: dr, more near term as we approach all-time highs how do you see this playing out? because the bias certainly shifted to the upside but we always see this anxiety day after day recently on up days as we get close to the highs the market pulls back. >> yeah i think that's a very normal technical thing that
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neil: markets at high of the session. investors digesting a slew of economic data, for most part ignoring release of the mueller report. we're expecting a press conference from how judiciary chair jerry nadler at any moment now. this comes as mueller's report was delivered to the house and senate judiciary committees earlier today. for more how lawmakers are reacting to the report, for what comes next, hill very rain on capitol hill. hillary. reporter: democrats in congress are making clear this redacted report is not enough from them. they want to hear from special counsel robert mueller himself. both house judiciary and intelligence committees are putting him on the guest list,
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preparing hearing rooms so they can get a run-down from mueller. they're putting attorney general barr in the hot seat. house speaker nancy pelosi and senate minority leader chuck schumer issuing a joint statement saying the differences are stark between what attorney general barr said on obstruction and what specs counsel mueller said on obstruction. as we continue to view the report, one thing is clear, attorney general barr presented a conclusion that the president did not obstruct justice while mueller's report appears to undercut that finding. fox news caught up with house democrat congressman eric swalwell in new hampshire who blasted barr who he says is unfit to serve. >> attorney general can represent the united states or the he can be donald trump's defense attorney. he can't be both. as we saw at this press conference today the way he mischaracterized the mueller report, he is seeking to help donald trump. he should resign. reporter: democrats on capitol hill not happy with barr's decision to face the press before the full report was
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available. senator schumer calling it president trump's campaign press conference but republicans disagree. senator roy brunt telling fox news that he believes barr did the right thing, facing the american people, detailing what was in the report, what was left out and why before they got a chance to see it in full. >> i think for the american people that the top line much the report will be reflected by the report itself, which means that no collusion, no obstruction, and i think generally people are ready to move on and the public ability to look at the mueller report helps us do that. reporter: any moment now house judiciary chairman jerry nadler will be facing the press giving full reaction to the mueller report. he did hint what his focus will be and what other house democrats focus will be moving forward. there is one line of the report they could not prove the president committed a crime but added this report was not meant to exonerate him either.
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charles? charles: hillary, thank you very much. one of the main issues sparking the rift between the white house and media since president trump has been in office has been the mueller investigation. ironically media's non-stop battles with president trump might have helped him avoid obstruction charges. judging from what i'm seeing tensions only getting worse with the media dealing with embarassment and probably getting this thing wrong for the most part, some trying to get even. with me "wall street journal" editor-at-large, "wsj at large" host gerry baker, w "wall street journal." barr talked about obstruction, 10 episodes he said the president dealing with unprecedented situation scrutiny before coming into office, speculation with the press that frustrated, angered him, you know mined his presidency. before we start, let's listen to the audience know what i'm talking about, then we'll ask you your thoughts.
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>> there was relentless speculation in the news media about the president's personal culpability yet, as he said from the beginning there was in fact no collusion. and as the special counsel's report acknowledges, there is substantial evidence to show that the president was frustrated and angered by his sincere belief that the investigation was undermining his presidency, propelled by his political opponents and fueled by illegal leaks. charles: gerry the press getting involved to a degree might have helped save the president. >> yeah, there is no question, having read some of the report, not all of it, the press plays an very important role in the story. the press was getting a lot of leaks, a lot of information about the investigation by robert mueller, constantly pressing it. what barr said in the press conference is correct. the president was under tremendous, relentless scrutiny and pressure, the question is, how much of that was justified?
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what we've seen from the conclusion from the reports so far mueller diddies cover there was no conspiracy, no collusion. plenty of contacts between the campaign and russia but there was no collusion. i think on that issue what the attorney general said basically is correct. the president was facing tremendous pressure. he is focused on what the press says about him. the press were relentless. they were certainly helping if you like getting this story out there. charles: barr saw that to some degree, people thinks he saw that in sympathetic role or factor in his ultimate conclusion not to pursue obstruction charges and yet you have a lot of people, i toggled around all the channels today, people called mainstream media crestfallen or angry. feels like it will continue. >> that is partly fair. i don't think however there is any question that the report itself does not say the president didn't obstruct justice. very clear. the report goes through 10 instances where it is alleged or
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possible the president may have obstructed justice. mueller doesn't come to conclusion on that. mueller points to various actions which he says many people would interpret it as obstruction of justice. here is where we go from here. the show moves all along as we expected to congress the mueller says i will not make a criminal determination and there is certainly case congress will know without any -- charles: feels like the media found president trump guilty to a degree before and still finds him guilty after. >> there are many things in the report that will lead to mistrust between the media and president. one of the most striking things, many instances detailed in the report where mueller demonstrates that the president, that the president's allies misled the media. they told the media things that simply weren't true. so the idea that tension is going to go away now that we know for sure, people have spoken underoath about what went on, they misled the, white house
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has misled the media on many, many occasions. that will fuel the enthusiasm for the media to go after the president to find out more details. charles: it is not going to be pretty. >> no. charles: gerry, thank you very, very much. make sure you watch "wsj at large" tomorrow at 9:30 p.m. eastern. cardinal timothy dolan. a great guest to always have but especially tomorrow for sure. we'll be right back.
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charles: the mueller report includes president trump's written responses. they were release the without redactions, comprise 12 pages, some of nearly 500 that are out today. edward lawrence back with more on some of those. edward? reporter: a little light reading. no question from the report itself the president did not collude with the russians to win the election. the report also without a doubt exonerates the campaign as well as any other american saying there was no coordination with the russians. the issue of obstruction of justice is not as clear in the report. there is no determination in the 11 episodes that the special counsel looked at that there was obstruction of justice. the attorney general made the determination based on the level of cooperation, there is no need to go farther with this. >> as the special counsel's report acknowledges there is substantial evidence to show that the president was
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frustrated and angered by his sincere belief that the investigation was undermining his presidency, nonetheless, the white house fully cooperated with the special counsel's investigation, providing unfettered access to campaign and white house documents. reporter: the attorney general says a less redacted version of the report will be given to select members of congress. the attorney general himself will be testifying about the report may 1st before the senate judiciary committee, may 2nd the following day from the house judiciary committee. charles? charles: edward, thank you very, very much. lisa garber and misty maris are back with me. ag barr looking into the origins on all this. he didn't want to talk about it today, but pretty clear, misty, on comments he already made this will be next area we get resolution. >> that's what it looks the
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like. he did keep it away from it today. we know the inspector general is conducting an investigation. that investigation is complete in may or june. we'll see the results from that. we'll look what ag barr said he is ready to take action if there is something in there that warrants it. he made the statements early on when he appeared before congress, it seems to be that there was something going on that, some impropriety. charles: that can draw the clinton campaign into this thing. >> absolutely. we could see a lot more in depth the investigation of nuances of the inspector general's report is complete. that will be the springboard and starting point for anything further. >> such a great point misty makes as well with your question too, trump isn't really out of the woods yet. unfortunately there are a dozen different investigations going on at federal, state, city level. charles: feels like the one in the southern district, everyone says that could be the most explosive because they have the power to conduct an investigation, you know just like some other powerful
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entities or what we know so far that they may have gathered? >> southern district of new york is really highly regarded. it really sets trends and legal precedent all of the time. so when we're looking at different trials and trib probations trump will be facing moving forward whether important star allegation coverups or financial improprieties we'll see definite movement. charles: can he say with the porn star thing. embarass with my family. had nothing with me doing anything nefarious with respect to the presidency, does that rise to the level of impeachable offense? >> impeachable offense, honestly not except impeachment is political process. that depends on what the house of representatives -- charles: nancy pelosi is pushing back on that to your point. >> absolutely. this has to be a political balance test now, whether or not they're going to keep going for the jugular with trump and actually seek impeachment or wait it out until the election
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and see if they can use some of the information that they have now to attack, attack him in the next -- charles: this is political what i'm going to read but it might be legal and i want to get your opinion on it. part of this report says although the investigation established the russian government perceived it would benefit from a trump presidency and worked to secure that out come, the campaign expected it would benefit electorally from information stolen and released through russian efforts. the investigation did not establish that members of the trump campaign conspired or coordinated with the russian government but some people are saying okay, russia thought they had a friend with president trump. that is just political speculation but is there anything, is there legal avenue here? >> still goes unfortunately to the question of intent, what trump was really thinking and what his staff members were thinking as well. if we want to take this further, the morn important thing not to change the point we need to lock down a lot of these systems and really become more secure in how we're transmitting this kind of information and not let these spiring entities in.
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that is something we should learn. >> i told jessica tarlov earlier in the show. we should examine what is going on as a country, can look at us where we're vulnerable as a people, maybe fix that as well. lisa, misty. thankthank you. charles: kim is at it again. demanding secretary pompeo for staying away from any new talks. they want someone more mature. the tensions looks like they will flare just like a rocket. we'll be right back.
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charles: talks in north korea breaking down even more after officials demand that president trump remove secretary of state mike pompeo from nuclear negotiations. north korea accusing pompeo of not taking kim jong-un seriously enough. all of this as the communist nation test-fired a new type of tactical guided weapon early this morning. the question now is where do we go from here? we brought in the best to help us out. fox news national security analyst. the markets didn't react necessarily to this and obviously, a lot of news overshadowing it today but this has been one of the good points of the negotiations, that north korea had stopped firing off missiles. now that's over. >> one stage is over but the next stage is not the last stage
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so what is happening in my view is that the north korean leader kim is talking to us via the type of missiles he is testing, like the cuban missile crisis. this is not the traditional long-range ballistic missile. he's using one tactical meaning he's not happy, quote, unquote, i'm not happy where i am so you need to talk to me. second when he of course criticizes secretary of state because he knows he cannot criticize the president, he doesn't want to collapse the dialogue but there are things he wanted and is not getting because our president is telling him you first commit to denuclearization, then we can move forward and that's where the problem is right now. charles: you see the way he's speaking to us but i'm seeing reports he's going to speak more directly with russia. what kind of role will they play or have they played so far? >> speaking to any other than america basically is speaking also to the united states, meaning if united states won't give me what i want, i still have russia, has borders with me, i would be very curious
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about the language he's going to be using about china, because after all, charles, as we know, china is the one who is kind of guiding north korea in terms of how to handle the united states. and if we are in agreement with china on many other things, you will see, you will be surprised to see that kim will come back to the negotiation table. charles: i want to bring it back to our hemisphere because on wednesday, the ninth circuit court of appeals, trump's favorite federal court, scheduled to hold a hearing on whether the white house can force asylum seekers to wait in mexico for the immigration court hearings. this as the mayor of yuma, arizona declared a state of emergency to deal with the number of migrant families being released from border patrol into that city. where do you see this going? because everyone agrees now that it is a crisis but no agreement on the solution. >> there is no agreement on a solution, precisely. that's what the opposition is all about with regard to the southern border. now, there are two facts i think we have an agreement about in terms of facts. one, the flow of the individuals
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who are organized and bussed through mexico to our border has become so large. the dhs and all other organizations that deal with national security are telling us, telling the public this is becoming a serious problem. the president has been talking about a national emergency. second fact is the tools we have now on the ground are not enough anymore. neither the state tools, nor the federal tools. so washington needs to do something very important. number one, it's changing the tools along the border, some sort of deployment, but there is another matter that they have been raising for months now. we need to work with mexico because mexico seems to be very bothered by what's happening on the mexican southern border. hundreds of miles away from us. we should not be waiting for these buses to come into our border. so how to do that, we need to talk to the mexican government and establish a sort of safety zone on their southern border. that would cut it from there. charles: of course, a lot of this depends on what we hear from some of these federal
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courts and maybe even where president trump can go with respect to sanctuary cities are now actually saying we will take some of these folks. thank you very much, always appreciate it. folks, a very exciting day in d.c. a very exciting day on wall street. liz claman, the last hour is going to be something. liz: i'm just excited overall. green on the screen, what more could you want. charles: exactly. liz: plus game over or just the beginning of the next grudge match? the white house declares victory after attorney general william barr outlined his defense of his interpretation of special investigator robert mueller's findings but at this hour, the more than 400-page blockbuster report is fueling an onslaught of new questions and it's not the 865 redactions that have people going wild at this hour. expert analysis from two top u.s. attorneys on where the real devils might be in the mueller's details and what it all might mean for the administration, ongoing

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