tv Sunday Morning Futures With Maria Bartiromo FOX Business June 30, 2019 6:00pm-7:00pm EDT
>> have a great sunday! [cheers] maria: good sunday morning. thank you very much for joining us. i'm maria bartiromo. joining me on sunday morning futures republican house minority leader kevin mccarthy with new reaction this morning to president trump's historic crossing into north korea to meet kim jong-un. and the temporary trade cease-fire the president broke with china's xi. plus 2020 democratic presidential candidate congressman tim ryan of ohio is here. a democratic congressman of california is here, sits on the house armed services committee and co chairs the sanders campaign. also ahead an advisor to
president trump and peter navarro on trade talks. also we will talk about the crisis on our southern border. all that right here right now as we look ahead on "sunday morning futures". we begin this sunday morning with president trump making history as the first sitting american president to set foot in north korea. kim jong-un accepted a last-minute invitation to meet at the dmz, which the president tweeted out just before leaving the g 20 in japan for south korea. both leaders agreed to restart the stalled nuclear talks between washington and pyongyang. >> i believe just looking at this, this is an expression of his willingness to eliminate all the unfortunate past and open a new future. >> i just want to say that this
is my honor. i didn't really expect it. we were in japan for the g 20. we came over and i said hey i'm over here. i want to call up chairman kim, and we got to meet, and stepping across that line was a great honor. a lot of progress has been made. maria: joining me right now on the telephone house minority leader and california congressman kevin mccarthy to react. great to see you. thank you very much for joining us. >> thanks for having me, maria. what a historical night while america slept, president trump made history. the first president to take a step into north korea. the historians will study this night. they will study this week because this is significant. this is the change of direction for the next 25 years, first the restarting of talks with china for trade really on our standards, but to restart these talks after he rightfully walked away in vietnam, this is the correct way and really even those who dislike this president are going to have to give him
credit. this is what he said when he talked about the art of the deal, that this could make america and the world fundamentally different for the next century. maria: wow. so talk more about the significance of it because, you know, the critic wills push back and say look, let's not forget the fact that north korea has not done anything just yet, in terms of denuclearization. the president has been trying to prod denuclearization and trying hard to get kim jong-un to think differently. the significance of this meeting is what? >> the difference is they are no longer testing the places -- studied in history, remember when we had the soviet union and president reagan went to moscow, went to the soviet union, sat with gorbachev but had to get up and walk away because it did not bring the freedom that everybody looked for. the liberal media criticized him, but in a few short years, the berlin wall collapsed and so did the soviet union. no way would this happen in a short-term, but just think where
were we four years ago? where were we in the obama administration or the clinton administration or the bush administration? we started this with people criticizing the president when he called him rocket man, but he brought him to the table. he was able to walk away in vietnam and reset the stage. people said that was a terrible thing to do. but you look at kim jong-un, that he sat and on his face that he smiled with this president. this president did it in a manner that let him save face, but now is bringing people to negotiate, to denuclearize, that he showed him because we're in a stronger hand today, their economics are in a very difficult position. so america's in a stronger position to make the world safer, and the president did it with style that others have not been able to do it. and i give him tremendous amount of credit. even though they dislike him, those who dislike him, have to give him credit on what he was able to achieve. it is not the end. but it is the restarting that when we look back in history, this will be the moment, this
will be the moment that turned the tables just like in iceland with reagan walking away from gorbachev. maria: what are you going to look at in terms of catalyst, in terms of where we are, in terms of the denuclearization going forward? >> first of all they haven't been testing long-term missiles anymore. that's a safer place to be. maria: okay. >> they are economically in a tougher position. the president had shown them that he's willing to go further than others. you have to build that trust. that takes time. i think these two men have built this trust that could make a stronger decision together. so it's going to be -- have to be probably in a phase, in a gradual step by step process, but to restart it, to be in doubt before, makes it even stronger, and remember, what had taken place since he left vietnam. north korea was then trying to become closer to russia and closer to china. this president has reset that stage. look at what we are doing with china, this g 20, this last week historians will study what the
president has been able to achieve, just in this week is so important. maria: how significant a role do you think president xi jinping played in this? he met with xi jinping at the g 20 on the side lines, do you believe the conversation came up towards north korea, and this s -- is this one of the reasons that the president was encouraged to go to dmz? >> only history will tell us in the end that that took place, but i believe it probably did because china does not want to have north korea collapse because what will happen all the north koreans will try to be moving in across that border. they don't want to have a destabilization over there as well. and they know for what president trump has been trying to achieve. he's been utilizing china at the same time trying to get to north korea as well. he's put america in a stronger position in negotiations with china, where many people criticized him for putting the tariffs on, saying we couldn't sustain ourselves. this is where other presidents
did not go, china had more to lose. if china maintains the position, the supply chain will leave china, go to vietnam and other places and will not come back. you look at new car sales in china dropping by more than 15%. you look at the sales of domestically clothing dropping as well. they are in a tough position, the president used this opportunity to reset the stage to get us on a more level playing field for negotiations, and it is not just trade, but it's also is the world going to be safer? i know he would yutize that as well. -- utilize that as well. maria: i understand what you are saying from a national security perspective, this seems like this could be huge, but what about the china conversation? it looks like the president is lifting some of these pressures on huawei. we have been talking about the national security risk that huawei represents and that china in particular represents, broadly speaking, so what did the president just agree to with xi jinping? >> well, i have talked to the president couple days when he's been over there in the negotiation, i talked to him
right before he went in with president xi jinping, but i don't know exactly what he's done but i do know what the president said all before. huawei has a real problem. huawei has the back door and the president realizes that. i think what the president allowed them to do is actually let american products sell to them for a short-term, to make sure the negotiations are back on track. i know this president, he is not going to allow huawei to get in across this world because as you have done, and you're probably one of the leaders on this, i've watched the huawei executives and with you, where it shows the 55 different back doors these other countries have bought this product, that's a real concern to me because no one else has ever stood up to them. if it is ten years from now, we will have lost if we allow huawei continue to grow. maria: that's what i'm saying. the president is agreeing that huawei can supply u.s. companies despite the blacklist imposed on
the company in mid may. what should we think about, u.s. companies can still supply huawei with the technology components they need? >> that's a short-term basis. you know the pressure he has on china. maria: yeah. >> the one thing that the president is doing and the united states is informing the rest of the world don't buy huawei products. don't let them in. if you buy huawei products, america won't share the information with you because we cannot trust where it will go. that is still in a strong position. and when the president comes back, i'm sure he will explain it to the rest of the world. maria: let me move on to another issue that you have been vocal about, and that is social media and our right to privacy and or right to know who is selling our data and to whom. tell me where you are in terms of up coming legislation on social media and what do you want to see? >> this is what we started in the last congress because the power of social media today, if anything on the internet is offering you something for free, you are not the customer. you are the product. they are taking your data.
it is not just the entity that's taking your data. who they are selling it to, the third parties and others. there are certain companies that have so much control, google, 90% of all searches go through google. the power of what they have, 95% of the people could drop off if your ad is on the second page. maria: right. >> my concern is as a conservative, i believe in private property. and that private property happens to be my data. my data i should know what you're able to take and collect from me. i should be able to move it, and i should be able to delete it. something very simple. we need legislation such as that, and that's something that i'm working on because i look at what the democrats are offering, they think just to break companies up, that does nothing about privacy. you overregulate it and create a utility and no innovation. that's really like a dodd frank world what they wanted to happen. i'm concerned about the privacy but also the competitiveness. google was found guilty by the
ftc in 2012 not allowing new companies to rise and have a fair competition. those are things we should look at and have legislation that's universal across this country and not have europe drive it. america should drive this. this is where innovation is created. make sure we're protecting people's privacy. maria: europe is a lot more aggressive than the u.s. has been. you make a good point. there's another side of this, that's the censoring of conservative conversation? i spoke with the president last week. he's worried about this particularly going into the next election that the social media company wills choose a side and put their finger on the scale. listen to my conversation with the president this week. >> twitter is terrible what you do. they don't let you get the word -- i have so many people come to me sir i can't join you on twitter. i see what's happening 100%. maria: would you rather competition, or do you want to see legislation coming down to actually -- >> you may need legislation in order to create competition.
maria: you may need legislation in order to create competition. are we going to see legislation also addressing that congressman in terms of the censoring of information and conservative conversation? there's not just that, a few companies control so much. you look at youtube, google, facebook, instagram, but now that we found out from after the election, that they did want to influence the election. i know the democrats try to go on this hoax where russia and other things are happening. right within our own country, the power with twitter and others. that's why we brought the ceos in to congress last congress and every time before a company came in, think would deny something is happening. and the day before then they would admit it. you would have people who worked at facebook, republicans who had to create their own group because they were fearful because of their own philosophy of whether they could work within that job. you had what google did to naming the california republican
party that our ideology was naziism. maria: i remember that, yeah. >> you had where they thwarted certain conservatives on twitter, whether their message could get out. maria: yeah. >> shadow banned them in the process of others. this is a process. you look at what they did to the university. we had to go through -- they said it wasn't happening. they weren't allowing it on youtube to be seen and what they were rating people. maria: yeah. >> this cannot sustain itself. that's why i thank you for you bringing it forward, showing light. it comes to a point where we may have to legislate. maria: when you come back, we have to talk about the border. alexandria ocasio cortez is headed to el paso tomorrow. we will see you soon, congressman thank you very much. still ahead the breaking news of president trump's historic steps into north korea. 2020 presidential candidate tim ryan is up next. trump administration china advisor, pillsbury, and bernie sanders co-chairman, and the man in charge of u.s. citizenship
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maria: president trump's historic trip to the dmz between north korea and south korea. north korean dictator kim jong-un praising president trump for his willingness to move forward. joining me right now is ohio congressman and democratic president, candidate tim ryan, good to see you. thank you very much for joining us. >> thanks. maria: your reaction to the president's move to the dmz? >> i have a much different opinion than kevin mccarthy has. i think this has been president trump appeasement tour. i have no idea why he's shaking hands with a dictator who just in may was sending missiles into
the sea of japan. i mean, you don't reward that kind of behavior with a visit to your country from the president of the united states. there's been no progress at all. they have done nothing. it is historic, but what has been done? nothing. and the whole deal with china backing down on huawei, are you kidding me? what china has been doing with cybersecurity. what huawei has been doing all over the world, and we're going to back down? i thought that was the one piece that we could count on president trump to hold the line on for national security purposes. and he's loosening what he did. i think this is very very dangerous. i'm very disappointed in the president, even those of us who really disagree with him on so much, thought that on the national security piece, he would at least hold the line, and he folded like a cheap suit. maria: let's walk through this because the national security issue certainly this is a serious issue.
i agree that this is something that we need to really focus on as it relates to china, but first, on north korea, isn't it true that before you can actually get denuclearization you need to start with diplomacy? this is the first sitting president to ever step foot in north korea. this is a historic moment. >> it is historic, no question, but for what? i mean, you do these meetings especially with a dictator, what progress has been made? maria: right. >> what good faith has been shown? he sent a missile in the sea of japan in five weeks? i mean really? i just can't believe -- i'm stunned that this president who is supposed to be mr. tough guy, tough business guy has absolutely no progress made, and it points to he wants to be on tv. he wants the historic moment. he wants the theater of it all, but nobody's more safe in that region now, and now what's the incentive? you are literally praising a
dictator who is responsible for the death of an american not too long ago for the way they held this young boy. and you reward that with a visit from the president? i mean, what -- i'm stunned. i'm stunned by the whole thing. i hope that -- i don't know what to say about it. maria: on huawei -- a formal announcement has not been made in terms of formally lifting the ban on huawei, but could it be that the president is also taking into account the technology companies that complained, that they were not going to be able to sell to huawei anymore? >> well, they can complain all they want. the number one role, the number one responsibility of the president of the united states is to keep us safe. and huawei has a history of accessing and allowing the chinese government to access and we're just finding out too that huawei is the chinese government. they're propping this up like it's some kind of private
company -- maria: the president told us that. he's been very clear about that. he's right. you know, there are back doors in huawei equipment that the data goes right back to beijing. >> yeah. so why are we loosening anything? hold the line on that. that should not be something you take off the table. maria: yeah. >> you are seeing huawei technologies in rural america. you're seeing germany making deals. maria: yeah. >> it is going all over europe. this is something we can't back down on. i'm very disappointed that the president would do this. maria: you make a lot of good points. congressman, i want you to stay with me. i want to ask you about what's going on in your party, the ideological fight within the democratic party, the deep progressives versus the centrists as you are. also much more ahead on the breaking developments out of asia on two huge fronts, denuclearization talks with north korea, the trade talks with china. trump administration china advisor mike pillsbury coming up. also hear from house armed services committee member as well. we will be back with
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plus, free premium delivery when you add a base. ends sunday. sleep number. proven, quality sleep. maria: welcome back. we are back with ohio congressman democratic presidential hopeful tim ryan. congressman, i want to ask you about the debates last week. first off, the night that the moderators asked all of the candidates would you agree to give healthcare to illegal immigrants? they all raised their hand. you were not on the stage. would you have raised your hand to answer yes to that? >> well, if we have undocumented people in the country, i think we do have a responsibility to make sure they have some basic care, yes. i mean, but, being a part of the medicare program or something like that, that's a whole other conversation that we need to have. maria: well, you are from ohio. you are representing the working class, and you're going to give illegals healthcare.
what about american citizens, congressman? what about your constituents? >> that's what i was going to say. the focus has got to be on getting healthcare to people in the united states, and right now the republicans had two plans they pushed, maria, both of them kicked 22 million people off of their healthcare. thank god it didn't get far enough. but they are getting rid of preexisting conditions, so what's coming out of the republican party right now is taking healthcare away from american citizens. that needs to be the focus. how do we make sure that people in america can have accessible, affordable healthcare,? and i support a public option for people to be able to do that. i think that's entirely appropriate. maria: you talk about 20 million. your colleagues want to take 180 million people off of private insurance. let's face it. when you were there, the question was, do you -- are you okay with getting rid of private insurance? 180 million people are getting their healthcare from the
private insurance industry. you did not raise your hand on this one; correct? >> no, i didn't. i'm not for taking private insurance away. i'm for some kind of public option. i think we've got to move to some type of medicare for all system at some point, but the natural next step is a public option for people to buy into right now, and i don't believe we should be taking people's private insurance away, but look, when you see what the pharmaceutical industry are doing, i was just at my mom's a few weeks ago. she's paying a thousand bucks a month in prescription drug costs. she's a working class person and just outside of youngstown, ohio. that's so unfair when these pharmaceutical industries are taking so much publicly funded research and then turning around and gouging the consumer. we've got to address this. the question is going to be -- maria: kamala harris, a lot of people think she stole the show that second night. first she raised her hand and said yes i'm for medicare for
all eliminating 180 million people with private health insurance. later she changed her stance on that. she said i didn't understand the question. do you believe she didn't understand the question or is she now realizing that medicare for all is a loser? >> you will have to ask her that. i think we cannot be a party that goes into a general election taking private health insurance away from union members in some of these states that negotiated pretty good healthcare plans for themselves, sacrificed wages during the negotiations to get a good healthcare plan. i just don't think -- we need to make sure that people have an option, and if they want to leave their private voluntarily and go into the public option, they can do that. maria: the point is, congressman, how are you going to stand out? much of your party has gone severely to the left. you know that. medicare for all is what we're talking about is because bernie sanders has that plan. we're going to talk to the co-chairman of his campaign coming up. you have to do something to actually pass go with your party who are massive progressives who
want things like these socialist policies. >> well, i tell you what, my focus the oh night in the debate -- my focus the other night in the debate was getting the focus back on the economic anxiety people are facing, whether they're white, black, brown, gay, straight, man, woman, 75% of the american people are living paycheck to paycheck. they can't withstand a $400 emergency or they economically unravel. that's my focus. i will tell you that my phone has been ringing off the hook, not just after our debate on wednesday, but also the debate on thursday, as vice president biden was slipping a little bit. my phone's been ringing off the hook because people are seeing me as the person who can emerge about a working class agenda in the industrial midwest, be able to be the top of the ticket, to go in to places like kentucky, to beat mcconnell. to go into places like south carolina to beat graham. we have to get win the senate back too. we need to win north carolina,
kansas, iowa -- maria: al -- you have to come up with something on the border. >> no one is going to secure the border better than i am. maria: why are you going to secure the border so well? >> you have to put resources there. maria: your colleagues don't want to put resources there. >> that's not true. that's not true. i want to put resources -- and i can't speak for everybody, but i want to make sure we have enough personnel down there, enough people to process people, that these people who are seeking asylum get some basic care, so human beings aren't laying in their own -- [inaudible] -- for three weeks and not getting diapers changed. why are these people migrating to the united states because gangs are running honduras and
guatemala and el salvador. a real president would say let's get to the root of the problem. let's fix it -- maria: or a real congress would get to work and overturn those loopholes, congressman, right? a real congress is going to get together and say look you have asylum standards. you have got the flores agreeme agreement. let's fix this so we're not going to talk about million apprehensions in 2019. real quick, we have got to jump. >> but that still doesn't get to the root of the problem of why people are leaving the country. it's still going to be a destabilizing factor for central america, for north america, if gangs are running three key countries in central america. go down there and fix the problem. the president hasn't talked one lick about this, at all. maria: he campaigned on this. he's been talking about not much else away from the border. he's trying to get congress -- >> he's not talk about central america. he's not talking -- maria: he's talking about north america. >> he's cutting the state department funding that would be the very solution to go down to
central america and stop -- and secure that area. i'm not saying we have got to, you know, prop up the entire country, but make it secure enough where people don't want to come the our country where it costs us billions of dollars. it's time for us to be smart. he likes this as a tv show, same with north korea, and he's acting like chamberlain when he's going to north korea. same with china, he's backing down there. he wants the tv show. he wants to win the 24 hour news cycle. he's not solving any of these problems. maria: i any a lot of problems -- i think a lot of problems have been solved on the economy, congressman. >> not from where i come from, maria. maria: not in ohio, huh? >> 75% of americans still living paycheck to paycheck. maria: congressman, we will talk more. please come back soon. >> thanks.
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maria: welcome back. president trump making history today walking side by side with dictator kim jong-un on to the soil of north korea. then meeting him back in south korea where he says they agreed to restart talks on denuclearization. all of this, on the heels of the g 20 summit in japan, where the president and his chinese counterpart declared a cease-fire in their trade war. my next guest advised president trump and trade and manufacturing policy director peter navarro ahead of the
summit, michael pillsbury, senior fellow and director for chinese strategy of the hudson institute. great to have you on the program. thank you very much for being here. >> thank you, maria. maria: you may have heard tim ryan railing against president trump -- >> i did. maria: in terms of what he did with huawei. first can you go through what the strategy is with china at this point? what just took place in osaka? >> sure, the most important thing was to get president xi to return his delegation to the talks. there was a major breakdown six weeks ago. the talks really faced extinction at that point. they were taking back a lot of major points and refusing to go further on the enforcement mechanism so it was a pretty bleak situation. i think what had to happen is president xi's team made clear in their media that he needs something on huawei at this meeting. he also needed to have the tariffs at least not imposed at this meeting. otherwise he would be saying no to any further talks.
that's what president trump did. it is a brilliant stroke. the president deserves a lot of credit. he hasn't spelled out the details of the huawei matter. he hasn't said, you know, huawei could be in 5g now around the world, but he has focused on american technology suppliers, parts to huawei. this gives president xi the face he needs to face down his hawks in china and restart the talks. so it's a huge success for the president. maria: okay, but i mean we have been talking about and hearing from this president about the massive national security threat that huawei is to america. to lift that embargo, does that fly right into the face of what the president has been telling us for so long? >> well, this goes back to what the president did on the zte matter, maria, as you know. he hasn't said huawei should be put out of business. he's talked about the national security threat from huawei eavesdropping, back doors, surveillance, a series of things that are just not acceptable, so he doesn't want huawei to get into sensitive sectors around the world.
our government is still banned from buying huawei products. but it's something different to say we want to bankrupt and destroy huawei. that's what the president has not done. i had a meeting in london last month with the huawei leadership. they make a distinction between keeping alive, like zte did, with 70,000 jobs for china, versus being put out of business entirely. i think that's the needle the president has threaded. he's not giving up in any way this fake news that this is somehow a catastrophe, and he's surrendered on huawei. it is not true. he has not lifted the ban. the effort to keep huawei out of 5g in germany, england, india, around the world, that's going to continue. maria: okay. >> but not to destroy the company. that's what president trump has allowed american parts to continue being supplied. maria: yeah, because, i had the chief security officer of huawei on my show on fox business last week -- >> i saw that. maria: he basically said look, you know, there are no back doors. and i said well, wait a minute
there are back doors and all the data goes right back to beijing, but he keeps pushing back on that. before you go, i need to get your reaction to the north korean news. do you think that the meeting with china's xi jinping had anything to do with the president's decision to go to the dmz, and what does that represent? tell me what this signifies. >> it represents progress on the big picture of trying to get this young leader to go with his grand father, give up the nuclear weapons and go for prosperity, market liberalization. this is another big success by the president. he's got to nudge the young chairman toward a really historic decision and not be rude, nasty, calling him names, that kind of thing. i think this is another success, very delicate, very nuanced. the step across the border was really historic. looking at another success for something president trump says obama told him this will lead to war, we'll be at war soon, unless you do something. so i think it is fake news to
criticize trump on these two fronts. maria: okay. real quick, in terms of a potential deal with china, i mean, why would the chinese give in to not stealing intellectual property and forcing the transfer of technology when we know they just reneged in may on those two issues and these are two big-ticket items? >> that's a great question. two reasons, one is they say they want to cut this out themselves. they are generating enough intellectual property themselves they don't want other countries to steal it. the other thing china is a very strong economy. if you look at imf, world bank, and even the cia fact book, china surpassed our economy three years ago in purchase power parity. they are bigger than we are, maria. people don't understand that. trump is dealing with an equal power here. he can't just spit in their face and say you sign this agreement or else go to hell. he's got to be clever and nuanced. that's what he's doing. maria: let's not forget the consumers in the world are in america. >> yes. maria: great to see you. thank you very much. mike pillsbury joining us there.
for more reaction let get to democratic congressman of california, also the co-chairman of the sanders campaign. good to see you this morning. thank you very much for joining us. >> maria, great to see you again. maria: your reaction to the president's meeting with kim jong-un overnight? >> i support the president's initiative, and as a democrat in the united states congress, i will do everything i can to see it succeed. one of president moon's senior advisors was in my office two weeks ago, and he thinks there's a three-part framework to get a deal. first, the united states and north korea should have a permanent peace agreement. we still have an armistice. we should move towards permanent peace. if we do that, then i think north korea will engage its massive denuclearization, 90% denuclearization and then after that we can talk about more flexible sanctions. i think the moment is there to have peace. maria: would a potentially president bernie sanders, would he have met with kim jong-un?
would he be dealing with these issues regarding china? >> yes, he would have. he said as much this morning, that he had no problem with president trump meeting with kim jong-un. this shouldn't be a partisan issue. this should be an american issue. it is a dangerous situation. we need to engage in diplomacy to resolve it. and president carter, who i had met with a few months ago had actually met with kim jong-un's grand father and had been working towards a framework to get to denuclearization. i think there's a clear road map there. i think we should applaud president trump for taking that effort. maria: i have to switch gears and ask you about the ideological divide within the democratic party. bernie sanders, your guy's healthcare plan, medicare for all. we know there's pushback for medicare for all, it is going to cost upwards of 32 trillion dollars but also knock out 180 million people who currently get
their insurance from the private sector. how do you justify that, sir? >> two things, first of all, the current system costs 49 trillion dollars. so you have to look at it in comparison. what medicare for all will do will reduce a lot of the pharmaceutical costs, a lot of the hospital costs, a lot of the insurance costs. second, if you read actually the bill, it allows for supplemental insuran insurance. medicare for all -- maria: i did read the bill. it makes the private insurance industry unlawful. it's unlawful to have private insurance. >> no -- it is like britain's bill. you can have supplemental insurance after medicare. that is something that many people support, that you have strong medicare, but if you still -- after you get everything, if you still want private insurance, you can have it under the bill in the house. maria: you have the bureaucrats running your life. the government is going to tell you if you can get the mri or not. this is one of the issues with
this plan. >> no, i mean, i think look if people who are on medicare if you ask them, most of them are very very happy with it. what this will do is it will strengthen medicare. maria: all right. we have to jump. congressman, thank you very much for joining us. we appreciate it. we will be right back. that i won the "best of" i casweepstakes it. and i get to be in this geico commercial? let's do the eyebrows first, just tease it a little. slather it all over, don't hold back. well, the squirrels followed me all the way out to california! and there's a very strange badger staring at me... no, i can't believe how easy it was to save hundreds of dollars on my car insurance with geico. uh-huh, where's the camel? "mr. big shot's" got his own trailer. ♪ wheeeeeee! believe it! geico could save you
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maria: welcome back. president trump is making history and he made history overnight becoming the first sitting u.s. president to set foot in north korea. as we monitor these incredible pictures from the world's most dangerous border, we turn our attention to our own southern border with mexico. my next guest has just returned from el paso, texas. the same place that i was at the end of april, you might remember. we went and we saw the crisis first-hand. congress has just passed a 4.6 billion dollars funding bill to help ease the conditions at overcrowded migrant holding facilities. one of the biggest unresolved factors in all of this, the loopholes in our asylum system.
joining me right now is the man in charge of that policy, ken cuccinelli, the acting director of u.s. citizenship and immigration services and former attorney general of virginia. mr. ag, great to see you this morning. thank you very much for joining us. >> great to be with you. maria: you just got back from the el paso border. i was stunned when i got back. give us your assessment to what you witnessed >> first of all, the folks in border patrol are doing phenomenal work with almost no legitimate help. you mentioned the supplemental bill that went through this past week. but it does absolutely nothing to solve the problems that caused this crisis. and particularly in the house of representatives, that's intentional. we saw this picture of the father and daughter who tragically died earlier this week. they came here because they wanted to exploit those loopholes. and congress owns that responsibility. and we need to change our laws,
and that means congress, to close the loopholes that are attracting this mass migration north that we are not staffed or nor do we have the falts is to handle -- facilities to handle. maria: why isn't this getting done? i know ocasio cortez is going to the border tomorrow. a lot of my sources at the border are not so happy about it because she doesn't believe anything she sees and she sort of belittles it. >> right. maria: i saw it. you saw it. these detention facilities are overwhelmed because people have been on their feet walking for four months and hitchhiking and then they go to the detention centers sick. >> right. that's right. and that's a problem as well. i mean, you think about the logistics of screening these people who come across uncontrolled into our country. you have medical screening. they have got to be held, and remember the border patrol was designed in their facilities are designed to basically to intercept, capture, process and
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maria: welcome back. we are back with acting director of u.s. citizenship and immigration services ken cuccinelli. ken, i want to show you this shot of the debate the other night, when all ten candidates were asked in your plan, will the government provide healthcare for illegal aliens? every one of them raised their hand yes, providing healthcare for illegals. your reaction to that? and is this an incentive for those people in guatemala, honduras and el salvador to say oh let me go to america. i can get free healthcare.
>> of course. of course it is. and it's those incentives that are the problem here that congress refuses to fix and that takes statutory fixes. we can't just issue memos, like president obama did. courts strike those down when president trump does it. and they defend the memos of president obama, even when they were illegal even acknowledged to be by the president, meaning president obama himself, like daca. so we don't have these options. congress has to fix these loopholes and that means closing them. i run the asylum system. we have over 300,000 case backlog as we continue to be rushed at the border. we're doing everything we can to knock that bag log down, but until congress fixes the loopholes, meaning gets rid of them, and offers more incentives instead, like the healthcare for illegals, we are not going to see an end to this crisis. that's why people are rushing the border. maria: this country has been
open arms for as long as i know. >> absolutely. maria: but the fact is asylum is one thing. i remember when i interviewed people at the border, back in april, and i said what are you running from? tell me about the unrest and the upset that you are facing. >> they said, oh, no, i just want to get a job for my daughter. how do you know the it's actually asylum seekers or they just want opportunity? >> overwhelmingly they just want opportunity. plenty of them are lying and saying they want asylum and trying to make up cases for asylum. it is our job to filter through those. maria: right, see, that's what i'm saying. >> and vet those cases to find only the true ones. and what's happening here is the liars are getting in the way of america's historic and continuing merciful approach to true asylum seekers. maria: yes, that's exactly right. they are jumping the line. >> including for the good ones. maria: they are jumping the line
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>> good evening everybody, the radical dems efforts to undermine and overthrow president trump continue. the immensely flawed former special counsel imho said his final report should be his testimony reversing himself not unexpectedly robert mol or will now testify himself before congress next month highly partt on failures back on attack against trump despite two years of the investigation that resulted it in exoneration and vindication by the president that found no collu