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communication between private citizens or large public audiences. there's no precedent in american history for so small a number of corporations to control so large a sphere of human interaction. and that includes individual people controlling vast amounts of territory, and we can't allow that to happen. lou: there has never been a more powerful and successful user of social media than president donald trump, and it is no small irony that he has been forced by twitter to take on social media's extraordinary power to constrain, to intervene in even the actions and words of a chief executive of this country. we'll have more on the president's exestive order in just a few -- executive order in just a few moments, inyod by fcc commissioner brendan carr as we take the up the issue of freedom of speech and particularly the president's freedom of speech.
president trump just moments ago also weighing in on the unrest in minneapolis, the unrest, the rioting as city leaders today making emotional pleas for peace in the streets as the city is bracing for a third straight night of protests, demonstrations and, yes, violation. the city's mayor went so far as to ask governor tim walz to deploy the national guard after those protests became violent last night. buildings set on fire, demonstrators ransacking businesses, a full-on riot and looting. the unrest in the city sparked by the videotaped killing of george floyd, an african-american man who was killed monday by a white police officer who kneeled on his neck for several minutes, and he died. allegedly, he used a fake $20 bill at the grocery store, and the police were trying to
apprehend him. four officers involved in floyd's arrest have been fired. none of them been arrested or charged with his death. president trump has asked the fbi and the justice department to speed up their investigation into floyd's death, and he says justice will be served. for the latest developments, we turn now to fox news senior correspondent mike tobin in minneapolis. mike. >> reporter: hello, lou. behind me you can see a lot of the aftermath of this violent night in minneapolis, this is the area around the 3rd police precinct, that was the precinct from which the officers were dispatched involved in this incident. you're looking at the aftermath of the autozone store. we watchedded as it was torched last night. witnesses say the demonstrators put in a box of fireworks, then set that off. all sorts of flammable things inside, and as people tried to put it out, protesters pelted them with bottles and other things to dissuade them.
what you're looking at right now is the 3rd precinct itself, and this standoff, if you will, has been mounting now for hours and growing in numbers. what you see is a crowd of protesters out on lake and minnehaha in the intersection there, and their numbers are growing. a little harder to see is the row of police officers in their riot gear at the ready. what they're doing is preventing the demonstrators from getting up into the 3rd precinct. and that's where they draw the line, and that's where the conflict is, that's where it all went down last night. the numbers are growing. you mentioned that police are bracing for another night of demonstrations which, as you see, you have seen them turn pretty destructive, ultimately, and tonight seems to be no exception. lou? lou: mike, the violence that we witnessed, we've even heard some news organizations being cautioned by their editorial management not to use the word
rioting. those were people rioting on the video that i saw. they were people who were looting and committing around soften. arson. are they prepared for a repeat of that, and will they -- as they did last night, they, the law enforcement officers -- will they be withdrawing and simply allowing the rioting to continue without constraint? >> reporter: well, the police have not tipped their hand as far as what they want to do, but it seems pretty clear that they don't want to repeat the mistakes that we saw in ferguson with police coming out with a heavy hand trying to beat down the crowd and getting very much the opposite reaction of what they saw. because what you have here, by and large what we've heard from the demonstrators on the street is they want justice, justice isn't coming fast enough, and they don't trust the people in charge. but the overall theme is simply that they are angry. they're frustrated with the system, and what we see is that they're lashing out. that being said, when you hear these terms like a mostly peaceful riot, well, john gotti
was mostly peaceful. it's a bit of an oxymoron. if it was violent at all, it was violet. if there was destruction at all, there was destruction. and that's what we saw out here. but also when with you see the police come out, you always see a pushback. i think the police have drawn the line, in fact, the police chief has made it clear there are certain lines they're not going to allow people to cross. they're not going to allow them to get at the vehicles because there's weaponry inside vehicles, they're not going to allow them to get inside the 3rd precinct. but beyond that you don't really see a police presence out here on the street because where there's police presence, you get friction. lou? lou: mike, thank you very much. it's extraordinary, and there are no charges at this point. it is a difficult and troubled time, obviously, in minneapolis. thank you very much, mike tobin, as always doing his usual great job of reporting. protests over george floyd's
death, his killing taking place in southern california as well. led by black lives matter activists. several hundred demonstrators blocked the 101 freeway. they vandalized california highway patrol vehicles. the protests then moved downtown. an american flag there was set e on fire. well, the top story tonight, president trump's executive order that has just been issued on social media. the president's order empowers the fcc to review section 230 as it's called of the 1996 communications decency act that gives social media platforms protection, allowing them to post content on their forums as they see fit. this order also will forward complaints of bias filed by the white house over to ftc, and the order will pull taxpayer dollars from social media platforms that engage in censorship. well, joining us now to assess this in its early moments, the order having just been sign by
the president, brendan carr, commissioner of the fcc. he previously served as the fcc's general counsel. brendan, let me start with this order. your reaction to the president's understandable frustration and his response in the form of this executive order. >> thanks, lou. this is really welcome news. look, since the 2016 election, the far left has hopped from hoax to hoax to hoax to explain how it lost to president trump at the ballot box. one thing they've done is look to social media platforms. they've put pressure on them for the crime, in their view, or staying neutral in the -- of staying neutral in the 2016 election, and they're committed to not letting them stay neutral in the runup to 2020. this step by president trump shines a light on some of that activity and tee it is up some steps that can be taken. lou: well, you used the word neutral with quotes of facetiousness around it because those social media platform it
is are anything but neutral as we know. google, for example, in its platforms decidedly -- [laughter] making a choice in the election to be about as anti-trump as one could imagine. and this nonsense coming from jack dorsey, the founder and ceo of twitter, to say that some of the comments that have been made saying his approach does not make twitter an arbiter of truth, zuckerberg saying he doesn't want his platform to pretend to be such, accusing twitter, effect ily, of doing so. -- effectively, of doing so. it's ridiculous some of the comments from the twitter folks trying to explain their idiotic attempts to limit the free speech of the president of the united states. it can't be, it cannot be
condoned rationally, can it? >> look, twitter made the decision to take on the president of the united states in a partisan political debate. it did so in really a disingenuous way, it got its facts wrong. it tried to challenge the president's assertion that when you have massive mail-in ballots, there's going to naturally be voter fraud. jerry nadler made that exact same point. facebook stood up this new oversight board, and they stacked it with really people that are emotionally, viscerally against the president. pam carlin is on that board, famous for testifying in favor of impeachment of the president and had that infamous barron trump lie. if you were to hand pick a group to tilt an election against the incumbent president, i don't think it would look much different than the oversight board that facebook has put together. so i think this executive order is welcome news including calling in the federal trade
commission. look, if you're any other type of business and you represent that you're a neutral platform then you engage in some of the conduct we're seeing, you'd be held liable for unfair business practices at that point. lou: well, the president served notice, more than sufficient notice, that he was not going to be trifled with by big tech, pencil-necked geeks in the form of one particularly jack dorsey who has tried to become his nemesis in silicon valley and as of yesterday had succeeded. i don't think he probably hikes the position he know -- likes the position he now finds himself in. your thoughts about how this will unwind, how it will move from here. >> here's what's really important about the president's executive order, everybody has free speech first amendment rights. what's different about these platforms that congress in the 190s afforded them a very special and unique legal liability and protection that all other political actors don't
enjoy. and that maybe made sense when you had the prodigy messaging board that was in congress' mind. but flash forward 20 years. these are now the largest, most powerful corporations when it comes to speech. so i think it's entirely appropriate for the president to say isn't it time to take another look at section 230 and whether that makes sense given where we are today. lou: and it clearly does not make sense given the awesome power of these social media platforms and these big tech corporations. i assume that we'll see that redress. there will be countervailing influences at work over the next months. we appreciate it, brendan carr, fcc commissioner. thanks so much. breaking news now, 38 rinos in the house of representatives today apparently would prefer president trump not be elected. they sent him a letter urging him not to restrict temporary work visas.
the group is led by maryland congressman andy harris. it also includes congressman lee zeldin, chris stewart, peter king, of course. they join nine rino senators who sent a similar letter to the president yesterday. their letter coming the same day we learned of another 2.1 million americans filing for unemployment benefits. the total number now 41 million americans since mid march applying for unemployment benefits. these are not only economically ignorant people, but they are, in point of fact, know-nothings about economics. when the unemployment rate is near at least 15%, 40 million americans out of work, for these rinos in the senate and the house to have the temerity to tell the president to abandon all hope of re-election and bring in more foreign workers in the face of 40 million
unemployed americans is absolutely obscene. i would invite every one of their constituents to reject them at the polls. they are ignorant, they are indifferent to the national security and, yes, the fate of 40 million unemployed americans. this is outrageous. up next, communist china moving to end hong kong's independence, its freedoms. how will president trump respond? we take up that very question right after this break. former state department senior adviser christian whiton with us. us. stay with us, we'e'e'e' the new house is amazing. so much character. original crown molding, walk in closets... we do have a ratt problem. ♪ round and round! ♪ with love we'll find a way, just give it time. ♪ at least geico makes bundling our home and car insurance easy. it does help us save. ♪ round and round! ♪ with love we'll find a way, just give it time. ♪ ♪ round and round!
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♪ ♪ lou: breaking news, the chinese communist party has officially voted to impose new legislation on hong kong. it makes it a crime to undermine beijing's authority. the effect of that legislation is to remove hong kong's last vestiges of independence and eliminate individual freedoms for hong kong residents. president trump today in the oval office didn't comment on that vote, but he did have harsh words for china's handling to have wuhan virus -- of the wuhan virus, and he suggested this will be a major announcement
tomorrow. >> very sad situation. should have never happened. china should have stopped it at the source. they didn't do that, and tomorrow we're going to be having a press conference on china. so we'll be making certain decisions, and we'll be discussing them tomorrow. lou: the white house plans to cancel visas for thousands of chinese graduate students and researchers who are in the united states who are directly affiliated with the people's liberation army. this move part of a new earth -- effort to curtail the number of chinese students who can receive visas to study in this country. since 2013 china has spent nearly a billion dollars worth of gifts and contracts to u.s. universities. and during the 2018-2019 school year, there were more than 369,000 chinese nationals
studying in u.s. universities and colleges. well, joining us tonight to take up china and the policy future of the relationship between the two countries, christian whiton, senior fellow at the center for national interests, former state department senior adviser in the trump and george w. bush administrations. first, christian, good to have you with us. hong kong is a fait accompli. it is no longer -- there is no, not even a pretense of independence and individual freedoms are a thing of the past. what will be the impact? >> the impact, as you point -- i think the impact that it reinforces that the chinese communist party just doesn't keep its agreement. this was part of a solemn agreement with the united kingdom that was part of a deal to get hong kong back. the brits only had to give back part of the territory, they didn't have to give it all back. they agreed to a high degree of
autonomy for 50 years, this is an international agreement, so it's just the next one in a long list of agreements the chinese government has welched on which, frankly, is something we ought to keep in mind. they've certainly broken a number of agreements that we have, but they're also probably -- in fact, they're definitely breaking the phase one trade deal. this is something they signed in january, the ink is barely dry. it's an important reminder going forward for anyone who still needs to learn the lesson that you cannot trust the chinese government. lou: you cannot and there is -- i'm trying to think of one example in which they have honored an agreement, a treaty with a western nation. none comes to mind. and this president is not likely to put up with this kind of conduct on the part of the chinese. can he change their conduct? no, but he can certainly change ours and the way in which we interact with the chinese. do you believe that decoupling, ending the commercial
relationship between the two nations is at hand? >> i do. i'm not sure if the president is there yet. as you point out, they're thinking of some strong measures. the one you mentioned about stopping giving all these visas to chinese because the theory used to be, okay, they would come here, they would breathe the sweet air of freedom, they would love america, they would go back to china and spread democracy, that hasn't been the case. that just doesn't work out possibly because our universities -- which are happy to take all this foreign money, happy to give these spots to chinese rather than to americans, and, you know, they -- [laughter] they do this, they, you know, basically export all of the knowledge that we give them rather than contributing to the american economy or not. you know, so i think you'll see steps like that, but i don't think the president is quite ready to decouple. i think he'll start with the pharmaceutical supply chain, medical protective equipments that we're never reliant on china again and and other manufacturing, high-tech stuff. you've seen export controls on
certain companies -- lou: you know, christian? i think about all the ways in which we are dependent on china, and the -- frankly, they just obscenely are, obscenely stupid leadership of this country over the course of the previous three presidents to put us in a dependent position, the world's only superpower, is just -- it's criminal. what presidents in both political parties have done over that time that leaves us vulnerable to communist chinese authoritarianses who right now have a very strong grip on this country's pharmaceuticals. we're dependent for rare eithers, -- earths, our production facilities. in large measure because we've given wall street, corporate america and the chamber of horrors or commerce if you prefer such leverage over the legislation and public policy of
this country for so long. >> yeah. and that, unfortunately, still continues. you are seeing a change on capitol hill where some, not all, but some of congress is following president trump's lead. you have people in both parties thinking about ways to get tough on china. but the number of institutions you just listed -- wall street, i mean, you have people still out there spinning the same tale they've been spinning since 2000 when we made the mistake of letting china into the world trade organization saying, oh, we need, we can't isolate china, we can't decouple. all of these things we can't do, all of these myths that have been exposed over the last two decades. that still lives on in hollywood, wall street and in particular academia where, again, they're happy to educate chinese students, and they're less interested in educating americans which is the reason they have tax-exempt status and all this money in the first place. there's still some work to do but, thankfully, this is the closest thing you'll get to on a
bipartisan issue in washington. lou: well, it'll be interesting to see the president's statements tomorrow on the u.s./china relationship. christian, we thank you very much. christian whiton, good to see you. we'll have more on the president's reaction to china in this evening'sed broadcast. we'll be talking with the hudson institute's michael pillsbury here next. stay with us, we'll be right stay with us, we'll be right back. stay with us, we'll be right back. i am totally blind. and non-24 can make me show up too early... or too late. or make me feel like i'm not really "there." talk to your doctor, and call 844-234-2424. unlike ordinary wmemory supplementsr? neuriva has clinically proven ingredients that fuel 5 indicators of brain performance. memory, focus, accuracy, learning, and concentration. try neuriva for 30 days and see the difference.
♪ ♪ lou: senator ron johnson is asking for the power to issue subpoenas on obamagate. senator johnson has scheduled a june 4th vote for the homeland security and governmental affairs committee that he chairs. that is the same day after former deputy attorney general rod rosenstein appears before the senate judiciary committee led by chair lindsey graham. well, attorney general bill barr is now tapping texas-based u.s.
attorney john bash. he has been assigned to take a deeper look at the unmasking of former national security adviser, general michael flynn. justice department spokeswoman discussed the boundslies of that -- boundaries of that investigation. >> we know that unmasking inherently isn't wrong but, certainly, the frequency, the motivation and the reasoning behind unmasking can be problematic. and when you're looking at unmasking as part of a broader investigation like john durham's investigation looking specifically at who was unmasking whom can add a a lot to our understanding about motivation and big picture events. lou: joining us now is lee smith, lee is the author of "the plot against the president." he joins us to take up what is the ever-expanding revelations of the biggest political scandal in our country's history. let's start with attorney general barr assigning bash to
go after the unmasking. does this portend good things or bads for those who would -- or bad for those who would like to see justice done? >> no, i think it's a very good thing, lou. i think what it means is one of the things the unmasking has shown us is this was administration-wide. we've been looking at the fisa abuse scandal for so long which focuses mostly on the fbi, but what we saw when acting, now-acting director dni richard grenell declassified the list, this went across the administration including the white house. what it shows is, is that the obama administration promotes a culture of espionage, and that's what the unmasking shows. thank goodness that the attorney general has appointed someone to focus on this. the scandal a, it's not just the investigation. the more information we have, the larger the scandal gets.
lou: yeah, lee, i could put up with a culture of espionage at the justice department, the fbi. what i can't put up with is a corrupt culture, a political activism and a president who presided over an administration that spied on a presidential candidate, tried to block, tried to block his election and then when he was elected, tried to overthrow him. that's what i can't put up with. i call that a bunch of damn politically corrupt creeps. >> right. it's absolutely disgusting. and what, again, the important thing, i think, is what attorney general barr said about a week and a half ago. he said he believes the investigation is not going to be pointing at president obama and vice president biden. however, again, the unmasking list shows this was going on inside the white house. the president's chief of staff,
dennis mcdonough, also very importantly the guy, the intelligence official who gave obama his presidential daily briefing asked for the unmasking. so i 100% agree e and, again, once we see this went to the treasury department, obama's ambassador to italy and san moreno was unmasking general flynn's name. this is a terrible thing. lou: yeah. he said i received a staff to become treasury secretary, sent over jack lew to run are it, to manage the irs, for crying out loud, amongst other agencies. there's not much subtlety in what they did or why. let's turn, if we may, to ron johnson seeking subpoena power. why in the world doesn't he have it already, why in the world isn't the investigation moving at a breakneck speed? i'm not suggesting in any way that i'm not delighted that senator johnson has had the guts to stand up and go after these
issues. >> senator johnsons has done a fantastic job. he's one of the, one of, unfortunately, very few republicans in the senate who has done a good job. remember that senator johnson was the one who put out the strzok-page text messages. and so that really, that gave a lot of important information to the american public. i assume that they will get subpoena power, and thank goodness that senator john is moving forward -- johnson is moving forward in the senate to provide more necessary information to the american public especially while we're waiting as mr. durham's investigation unfolds. lou: lee smith, as always, good to have you with us. thanks so much. look forward to seeing you again soon. up next, a medical establishment in washington refuses to find the truth about the origins of the deadly wuhan virus. they do have a lot of nonsense to spew.
and, by the way, aren't these guys supposed to believe in science? michael pillsbury, one of the country's leading authorities on china, he joins us to take up what happens next with china, what should we do? we'll be right back. ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪there are times when our need to connect really matters. to keep customers and employees in the know. to keep business moving. comcast business is prepared for times like these. powered by the nation's largest gig-speed network. to help give you the speed, reliability, and security you need. tools to manage your business from any device, anywhere. and a team of experts - here for you 24/7. we've always believed in the power of working together. that's why, when every connection counts... you can count on us.
correction for a complete and total fabrication. a medical team in a new york city hospital telling the paper about a 26-year-old emergency room doctor who died of the wuhan virus, except that's not true. the doctor didn't die. the paper blamed the medical team, saying it was a case of mistaken identity. how about that? fake news? perhaps. well, breaking news, national institutes of health director francis collins says there's no way of knowing if the wuhan virus escaped from the wuhan institute of virology. by the way, australian researchers were quoted just a week ago saying point-blank that there is every evidence of manmade manipulation of the virus, so that really is quite a curious contradiction, isn't it? so the wuhan virology lab still is the epicenter of the deadly
contagion. joining us now is dr. michael pillsbury. and dr. michael pillsbury is the foremost in the minds of most leading experts on china in the country. he's also the director of the center for chinese strategy at the hudson institute, author of "the hundred-year marathon." mike, great to have you with us. i, i think it is really interesting that we have the nih director, collins, who says -- has to say that it wasn't a manmade virus with absolutely no science to support it while virologists and researchers in australia says there's every evidence of it being a manmade, manipulated virus. what do you make of this unseemly effort to go beyond science and fact to offer the public conclusions? it looks suspicious to the, to those of us who are skeptic es. >> yes.
it looks more like politics than science. i think the larger picture, lou, is that a lot of our federal government departments -- almost all of them, including nih and cdc -- have programs to help china. they're deeply embedded with the assistance to china program that was set up by jimmy carter. that was an awfully long time ago. so nih in particular has very close contact and friendships with the chinese. so they naturally tend to be defensive. as soon as this horrible story about the possible escape from the lab or worse was taking place, a lot of scientists -- including dr. fauci, they immediately jumped to the defense of china long before they knew the facts. so today's revelation seems to be we really don't know what happened in wuhan. i wish dr. fauci had said that back in january, don't you? lou: indeed. he, at that time, was not even ab knowledging that chinese
communist party was refused doctors and researchers be admitted into wuhan to study the contagion that had been unleashed. i want to turn to hong kong now. assured a half century of independence and autonomy. that turned out to be a very short century, and the legislation today from beijing, if you can call it legislation, it's really an order, removing hong kong's independence and individual freedoms are no more. your thoughts. >> i wouldn't go so far as to say their freedoms are no more or that independence was promised. they were promised a high degree of autonomy, their own judicial system, a whole sentence very specific list of measures, list of what was being protected in hong kong until at least 2047. that was agreed to. the british, with our support, filed this as a treaty with the u.n.. so what we're looking at, lou, if this law is going to be as bad as i'm afraid it's going to be, we're looking at a treaty
violation by china of a treaty with the british on top of the violence of the inter-- violation of the international health organization's treaty back in january. so major treaty violations. and usually international law, lou, that requires sanctions by other countries. lou: well, sanctions are no longer considered particularly effective. we've had sanctions against russia for years. there's been very little deterioration in their ability to be expansive and aggressive on the world's stage. we have had sanctions against iran as they proceed toward becoming a nuclear power unchecked. constrained but unchecked. it's -- these sanctions are seemingly, to me, the stuff of, well, very cautious, careful people who really don't know what else to do. >> i'm not talking about that
kind of sanctions. i'm talking about -- not about pinpricks or slap on the wrists, i'm talking about going after the sources of chinese power and the misconduct by china. you'll find this laid out in president trump's book in 2015. he has a section, actually, quite profound even speaking as a china expert myself, i was very impressed. he said there's a bad china, and he listed all the features of the bad china. and then he said there's a good china. our goal as americans is to move them from bad china to good china, but they're both in there. so going after the sources of chinese power, that's much bigger than sanctions, lou. that means going after the legitimacy of the chinese communist party, it means going after the the capital markets -- lou: so you're talking -- >> these are far more serious -- lou: so you're talking about, you're talking about soft power, you're talking about going after their communist party, you're
talking about going after their leadership, sowing discord and hopefully unrest and the overthrow of their government, all of that? >> yes. it's reagan's approach to the soviet union in the early '80s that he laid out the kind of soviet union or russia that we want. president trump already foreshadowed that four or five years ago. i think the chinese -- i get a lot of these comments from the chinese media and speaking to chinese by phone, lou. they're afraid president trump is going to do just that go after the sources of their power. this is not some idea that americans in congress necessarily have. this is the chinese fear of what president trump might do to them. so they'll be watching very carefully tomorrow. he might, let's start with a small step tomorrow, but i think there's more to -- lou: we're going to take -- wait, wait, dr. pillsbury, wait just a moment. we're going to take a quick break. we'll come back with you as we
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♪ ♪ lou: the european union has launched an interim review into a leak they exposed about how they bowed to pressure from the chinese communist party. an april report from the european union about china's handling of the wuhan virus left out a reference to china's global disinformation campaign. that reference, however, had been included in an earlier internal report leaked to the new york times. this is the sort of thing that the the that the e.u. fascinates itself about. we're back with dr. michael pillsbury. this business of the european union, the u.k. basically bowing to china, we're seeing it more and more. this looks like a disinformation campaign launched by the chinese aggressively with the onset of this wuhan virus has paid dividends for them. >> i think that's right, lou.
i think it's time the europeans fought back. one of the things president trump has done is initiated units inside the state department called the global engagement operation. they not only collect chinese lies and disinformation, they counteract it with the media. the europeans are talking about doing that right now, but we're way behind in the european response. lou: well, that is -- [laughter] condition norm, i think is what we would have to say to that. thank goodness the united states is responding aggressively. in that respect, how aggressively can we respond? the two great fears of china, what are our two strongest responses to those fears? what can we do to most hurt the chinese? >> a very important question, and you find that in donald trump's "art of the deal," he discusses this a lot in his real estate deals. you want to know what the other side wants the most and what they fear the most, and that
sets the basis of your negotiations. the chinese fear the most two things, they fear that the communist party of china will be targeted and will go the way of the soviet communist party. they write a lot about this. they sometimes fantasize that hong kong is the beachhead of this operation, that's why they're cracking down on hong kong -- lou: what can we do to speed their, what can we do to speed their, that reality up? the communest party's dissolution -- communist party's dissolution from beijing? >> well, we've got to take -- it's got to become a goal of official u.s. policy toward china. right now it was not in the 16-page document last week. it's got to become a goal the way it was with president reagan. the communist party of china is not good for the chinese people. they've got internal factions and, frankly, they could break up into two parties, the hard-liners against the reformers. i think that'd be a good thing. lou: what is it -- [inaudible conversations] >> you can greatly expand that
program. lou: and what is the second thing that we could do? >> oh, they fear encirclement. they believe that their neighbors together have far greater military and economic power than china. right now there's no coalition against china. there's talk about coordinating measures, but basically the structure we have to create, an indo-pacific sort of secretariat and coalition agreements, that hasn't been started yet. i think the president is thinking about this as something he can do if -- [laughter] if joe biden is not put in by the chinese. the chinese fear right now, a third fear really, is that there'll be a re-election of donald j. trump, and their dream is biden takes over the white house will go up in smoke. lou: and as we wrap up here, mike, india, china, a border dispute long running, but both sides sending more military to
that border. how -- give us your assessment of the possibility of a serious flare-up. >> it's getting dangerous, lou. i'm grad the president offer -- glad the president offered to mediate between india and china last week. it's getting quite dangerous. the indians wanted to build ad road on their territory, what's called eastern ladoc. the chinese are blocking that. they have not crossed into india, but they're close to it. in fact, they've crossed it in some points. this is the cause of war sometimes. they're both nuclear-armed powers. they both have major navies, so we're talking about something in which president trump's offer to mediate may have been a very good idea. lou: all right. dr. michael mission bury, as always -- pillsbury, as always, instructive. we appreciate it. look forward to talking with you soon. we'll be right back. stay with us. ♪
lou: on wall street today, stocks finishing lower. dow jones industrials fell 148 points. the s&p lost six. the s&p fell 43 points. volume, 5.45 billion shares. crude i will up 2%. 2.1 million americans filing for jobless claim benefits last week that brings the total to more than 41 million since the wuhan virus was declared a global pan dep mick. the treasury department setting
aside $10 million to help disadvantaged communities during the pandemic. listen to my reports three times a day coast to coast on the salem radio network. president trump today signed a new executive order. it calls for new regulations on social media platforms. the president says the political bias of those platforms is a threat to the freedom of speech. >> what they choose to fact check and what they choose to ignore or even promote is nothing more than a political activism group or political activism and it is inappropriate. you look at what's happened. you look where they're going, where they're coming from. i think you all see it yourselves. the censorship and bias is a threat to freedom itself. lou: that is it for us tonight. we thank you for being with us. "judicial watch"'s tom fitton and pete hegseth with a new book joins us tomorrow as does pastor
robert jeffress among our guests. we hope you join us. follow me on tweeter, instagram maria: good morning. tgif. good morning, everyone. i'm maria bartiromo. thanks for joining us. i'm is friday, may 29. your top stories, 6:00 a.m. on the east coast. riots on the streets of minneapolis this morning, a police precinct set ablaze as protests over the death of george floyd intensify. we have a live report coming up. president trump's tweet on the riots flagged by twitter, the company censoring his post claiming it glorifies violence, after the president signed executive order limiting protections for social media giants. president trump will hold a news conference today on china a