Skip to main content

tv   WSJ at Large With Gerry Baker  FOX Business  July 25, 2020 9:30am-10:00am EDT

9:30 am
"mornings with maria" on fox business. we are live every morning, and we hope you'll be with us. that'll do it for us for this weekend. thanks so much for joining us. i will see you again next weekend. have a great rest of the weekend. ♪ gerry: welcome to "the wall street journal at large". this weekend we are now just 100 days away from the presidential election. for some time president trump has been trailing joe biden in the opinion polls. the democrats and their friends in the media with can barely contain their excitement about the prospects of a coronation of the former vice president in november. this past week the president himself provoked a predictable uproar when he seemed to suggest in a fox news interview that he might not immediately accept the official result of the election. >> look, you -- i have to see. i'm not going to just say yes,
9:31 am
and i didn't last time either. gerry: the howls from the left were deafening. house peeker nancy pelosi, grilled as usual by yet another hard-hitting interview on msnbc, seemed to suggest the president would be out of office whatever the outcome. >> the fact is whether he knows it yet orbit, he will be -- or not, he will be leaving. just because he might not want to move out of the white house doesn't mean we won't have an inauguration ceremony to inaugurate a duly elected president of the united states. but there is a process. it has nothing to do with the certain occupant of the white house doesn't feel like moving and has to be fume dated out of there -- fumigated out of there. gerry: other presidential critics joined in the outrage. who would ever dare to refuse to abide by a constitutional hi-proffered election? discrediting, undermining and perhaps even reversing the result of the election? well, the democrats, for a
9:32 am
start. that's exactly what they did in 2016. even before the trump victory that year, officials inside the last administration helped ace hong by a willing and compliant press corps made a concerted effort to discredit the president's campaign and, of course, the election results. an effort to criminalize members of the campaign and undermine the legitimacy and effectiveness of the new president su e. for month, senior officials in the obama administration put it about that mr. trump had worked with the russian government to get himself elected. that's essentially treason. >> it's my assessment that they clearly had a more favorable view toward mr. trump, and actions they were taking were trying to increase his prospects. >> cast doubt on the legitimacy of his victory e in the election. >> i am deeply concerned about
9:33 am
what went on with russia. a foreign power melded with our election. meddled with our election. gerry: more enforcement officials pursued an investigation against trump officials and worked with their friends in the media to destroy president trump. and you remember this gem from february 2017. trump campaign aides had repeated contacts with russian intelligence, it said. now, that was completely false. and, indeed, we know now it was the whole russia collusion story. new documents, in fact, published by lindsey graham's senate intelligence committee last week show that the fbi or knew there was no substance to most of those claims about russian collusion right back then, but they still spent more than two years investigating. so in other words, that's the message from democrats on abiding by the result of a democratic election. do as we say, don't do as we do. this election is about many things, but perhaps the most
9:34 am
important could be the fundamental american principle of free speech. we live in an age when it's not safe to express your views if you descent from the prevailing orthodoxies that dominate our campuses, newsrooms and increasingly workplaces. there are thousands of people who are increasing wily afraid to speak out lest they be accused of being racist or bigots. in fact, a new cay toe institute poll found that 62 percent of americans say the political climate prevents them from saying things that they believe because others might find them offensive. now, all this is happening when republicans controlled one and a half of the elective branches of the federal government. just imagine what it would be like if the democrats take over in november. now, of course those on the left say the so-called cancel culture isn't real at all. that's not what the evidence suggests. this week we're going to take a
9:35 am
closer look at what's going on. i'll start with someone in academia who saw the full force personally. william jacobson is a political law professor at cornell university, and the founder of the web site legal insurrection. thank you very much for youing us. >> thank you for having me on. >> please explain what exactly happened to you. i think it all started with a blog post that you wrote about the protests, about some of the protests around the black lives matter movement. >> yes. i've been at cornell for 12 years. i've had a web site for 0 years, and i've -- 10 years, and i've never seen anything like what is going on now. so in early june, i wrote two blog posts. one had to do with the slogan that people are chanting, hands up, don't shoot. and i'm very familiar with that because i have followed that, the black lives matter movement since 2014 after the shooting of michael brown. and that was the phrase attributed to michael brown in ferguson, missouri, that he was shot when his hands were up and he was saying don't shoot, and
9:36 am
that became, essentially, the slogan and the founding narrative of the black lives matter movement. well, i knew that to be false because the justice department investigated it, and they found that that never actually happened. mike brown was shot by police -- [audio difficulty] so when i saw protesters chanting that recently, i wrote a blog post which is something i've done before, pointing out that is a fabbri e case. the hands up, don't shoot, is a fabrication. and i wrote that. that created a fury by a variety of people. i also -- gerry: sorry, professor. explain what sort of people, what did they do, what happened to you? >> sure. what happened is that combined with the second post where i criticized the rioting led to a series of events. the first thing that happened was an alumni campaign to get me fired. that campaign was e-mails to the
9:37 am
law school as well as an online petition. i then was denounced by 23 of my colleagues -- 21 of my colleagues in a public letter, essentially accusing me of supporting institutional racism and police violation. i was -- violence. i was denounced by the dean of the law school as my writing being not consistent with cornell law school values and over a dozen student groups have organized a boycott of my course. my course is on investment disputes. and they have called on all other students to boycott my course. gerry: did you get any -- i mean, you do enjoy academic e tenure, you do enjoy the freedom that comes with that. did you get any expressions of support at all? >> i've received zero support from the institution other than the statement by the dean because i have academic freedom and job protection that i i won't be fired. not a single faculty member has reached out to support me and to
9:38 am
express concern over a boycott of a professor's course. but i are have received a lot of support from students who have e-mailed me and said that i have a lot of quiet support in the building, but everyone is afraid to speak up. and that's really the problem here because they don't want to be targeted by people the way i've been targeted. and i completely understand that because they don't have protection for their future careers. accusations are made against them on the internet the way they've been made against me, they may have trouble getting a job. gerry: sorry, professor. yeah, go ahead, go on. >> so what this has done is it's created an atmosphere of fear and intimidation in the law school as it has in other parts of the society. so i may be the target, but i'm not really the victim here. the victim here are the students who are bullied into silence and the culture of the law school which now is, at least as it relates to black lives matter, is completely repressive. gerry: professor, we need to
9:39 am
take a short break. when we come back, i'll talk more about cancel culture and what we can do to fight back against it. stay with us. ♪ ♪ at fisher investments, we do things differently and other money managers don't understand why. because our way works great for us! but not for your clients. that's why we're a fiduciary, obligated to put clients first. so, what do you provide? cookie cutter portfolios? nope. we tailor portfolios to our client's needs. but you do sell investments that earn you high commissions, right? we don't have those. so, what's in it for you? our fees are structured so we do better when our clients do better. at fisher investments we're clearly different.
9:40 am
hold on one second... sure. okay... okay! safe drivers save 40%!!! guys! guys! check it out. safe drivers save 40%!!! safe drivers save 40%! safe drivers save 40%!!! that's safe drivers save 40%. it is, that's safe drivers save 40%. - he's right there. - it's him! he's here. he's right here. - hi! - hi. hey! - that's totally him. - it's him! that's totally the guy. safe drivers do save 40%. click or call for a quote today. [camera man] actually anyone 50 or over is at increased risk for shingles. the pain, the burning! my husband had to do everything for weeks. and the thing is, there's nothing you can do about it! [camera man] well, shingles can be prevented. shingles can be whaaat? [camera man] prevented. you can get vaccinated. frank! they have shingles vaccines!
9:41 am
-whaaat? -that's what i said. we're taking you to the doctor. not going through that again. [camera man] you can also get it from your pharmacist! talk to your doctor or pharmacist about getting vaccinated.
9:42 am
♪ if♪ gerry: my guest is cornell university law professor william jacobson. there are a lot of people who say all this talk of cancel culture is overdone. you expressed your opinion, you were criticized for out, people didn't like it, you've still got your job, you've still got your act dem ig position, you're on this program and others and this whole thing is, you know, people don't like what's going on and don't like being told by people who don't agree with their views. tell us why that's wrong. >> well, it's very different. this is not merely criticism, what i've received, it's an attempt to get me fired. and the fact that it was unsuccessful so far doesn't mitigate the maliciousness of that attempt, an attempt to
9:43 am
interfere in my employment and, most important, it's an interference with students' education. why should a student have to make a political decision when whether or not to take tear course? they shouldn't have to cross a virtual picket line. but don't focus on me, don't focus on j.k. rowling, any of the other hypofile people who can withstand this sort of pressure. it's really this cancel culture is meant to silence the people who don't have protection, who don't have power, who don't have a platform to appear on their web site or on tv. those are the people who are really is suffering, and that's really the vice and the negative aspect of cancel culture. there was a poll recently out that something like two-thirds of people in the u.s. and i think almost 80% of conservatives feel that they cannot speak their minds on issues. that's the really pernicious aspect of it. so cancel culture is a lot more than mere criticism.
9:44 am
gerry: yeah, you're right. it's not just people like you who speak out publicly and, you know, get denounced and an effort to fire you, but for every one person like you, there are many, many people who are even silenced, who are shocked into silence by that kind of behavior because they don't want to risk getting out there and being denounced. >> that's right. so when the dean of the law school announces that we're not going to fire this person, this professor because he has academic freedom and job security, what message did that send to the people who don't have that? to the students? to the staff? to junior professors who are at risk in that's a message of saying that you are at risk, so you better keep your shut on this issue. that's really the harm that's taking mace here. gerry: interesting that you said you've got quite a lot of expresses of quiet, private support from students, perhaps more from students, it sounded like, than from other faculty members. there a message in there, a
9:45 am
lesson that we can learn from that about how we're going to tackle cancel culture? >> yes. i've gotten zero support from faculty, a lot of support from students. and i think we have to recognize that you can't just view things at the surface. people speaking out don't necessarily represent the majority of people and, therefore, we need to gear our efforts towards emboldening people who are silenced to feel comfortable in peeking up. i don't know how -- speaking up. i don't know how that's going to take place, i don't have a magic answer to that, but i think shining a light on it is the first step. but it's a real problem in institutions like in academia which are overwhelmingly controlled by one political i'd lolling which is liberalism, leftism, whatever you want to call it. it's almost a uniformity of opinion, and that's, i think, the heart of the problem. we need to diversify the ideological foundations of academia. we're not going to to change this can el culture on campus.
9:46 am
gerry: you're right. it started in academia with, perhaps, and spread to the media and now increasingly embedded in the corporate world. thank you very much, indeed, professor, for joining us and for sharing that ree mark bl and very instructive story with us. just a ahmed -- ahead, i'll talk to one who was canceled by the social media mob which included one of the world's most famous athletes. stay with us. ♪ motorcycle riders love the open road. and geico loves helping riders get to where they're going, so to help even more, geico is giving new and current customers a fifteen percent credit on their motorcycle policies with the geico giveback. and because we're committed for the long haul, the credit lasts your full policy term.
9:47 am
the geico giveback. helping riders focus on the road ahead. what about here? here? here? daddy, is that where we're from? well, actually... we're from a lot of places. you see we're from here and there and here... turn questions you've always had into stories you can't wait to share; with ancestry. gimme two minutes. eligible for medicare. turn questions you've always had into stories and i'll tell you some important things to know about medicare. first, it doesn't pay for everything. say this pizza... [mmm pizza...] is your part b medical expenses. this much - about 80 percent... medicare will pay for. what's left... this slice here... well...
9:48 am
that's on you. and that's where an aarp medicare supplement insurance plan, insured by unitedhealthcare insurance company comes in. this type of plan helps pay some of what medicare doesn't. and these are the only plans to carry the aarp endorsement. that's because they meet their high standards of quality and service. wanna learn more? it's easy. call unitedhealthcare insurance company now and ask... for this free decision guide. inside you'll find the range of aarp medicare supplement plans and their rates. apply any time, too. oh. speaking of time... about a little over half way and there's more to tell. like, how... with this type of plan, you'll have the freedom to choose any doctor who accepts medicare patients. great for staying with the one you know... or finding... somebody new, like a specialist. there are no networks and no referrals needed. none. and when you travel, your plan will go with you
9:49 am
anywhere in the country. so, if you're in another state visiting the grandkids, stay awhile... enjoy... and know that you'll still be able to see any doctor who accepts medicare patients. so call unitedhealthcare today. they are committed to being there for you. tick, tick, tick, time for a wrap up. a medicare supplement plan helps pay some of what medicare doesn't. you know, the pizza slice. it allows you to choose any doctor, who accepts medicare patients... and these are the only plans of their kind endorsed by aarp. whew! call unitedhealthcare today and ask for this free decision guide. ♪ ♪ gerry: my next guest became a victim of our modern culture of intolerance through the social media mob and was even targeted
9:50 am
by some famous people. she's fiona mcallowing lip, a conservative journalists in southern california. thank you very much, indeed, for joining us. >> hi. thank you is very much for having me on. gerry: explain to us exactly what happened that got you such notoriety. >> of course. so we live in a society that literally lives for cancel culture. they're vultures and hate on people. and in my case, the internet had a massive in canceling me, yet there was so much misinformation x. that's actually how cancel culture thrives, through misinformation. in my case, i just documented all the damage to downtown santa monica following the riots expect death of george floyd. i was talking to a construction worker in santa monica, getting his, you know, take on damages, and i wanted to know exactly what he was doing because i feel like they're some of the heroes that aren't really recognized by the mob. and this were two activists that were onlooking, and thaw started heckling me -- they started heckling me and filming me x
9:51 am
that ended up the viral video that was shared by everyone from lebron james to pink, and it got 550 -- they've got 550 million follow ors. gerry: you took a picture with these guys. they were clearing up, i think, store fronts that had been looted the night before, i think, is that right this. >> they were. they were boarding up the businesses that were looted in downtown santa monica. gerry: and so then you get absolutely the full social media blow torch on you with. we can show, actually, one or two of the tweets or posts that we saw, as you mentioned i think pink came up with a particularly colorful denunciation. lebron james, we can see there, did too. and to be absolutely clear, you weren't somehow sort of boasting about -- you weren't doing this as an act of vanity. you weren't even, you know, like publicly denouncing black lives matter, you were just doing
9:52 am
something to express some solidarity with someone who happened to be cleaning up the mess. >> of course not. i was just documenting the damage, and that's exactly what people don't want. they don't want people speaking up. they wanted to silence me. the mob uses cancel culture as a way of silencing opinions they don't agree with. they try to destroy people with harassment and intimidation. in my case, it was beyond just silencing me. i was publicly dossed and harassed, so the mob had my phone number, even my home addresses -- gerry: what happened? did you get actual harassment from people as a result? >> yes. unfortunately, i did. the police really didn't do anything about it. gerry: what do we do about this, fiona? it is so prevalent now and especially, you know, among people of your generation in particular, this intolerance seems to start i off on university campuses and has
9:53 am
migrated into the much wider public field. how do we deal with this? how do we stop this steadily encroaching culture of intolerance and canceling people this. >> i think it goes back to social media platforms themselves. the platforms that empower the mob. i i think i if those platforms took responsibility, there would really be no room for cancel culture. in a way, these celebrities build platforms on a, you know, social media, you know, site. and that's the way they can el people. and -- cancel people. and unfortunately, in my case, they publicly dossed me. i don't want anyone to go through me, and it's actually empowered me to talk about the threat of cancel culture. gerry: you know, what's so so extraordinary about this is that these people who are protesting are talking about hatred and about protesting against hatred
9:54 am
and racial hatred and yet the hatred demonstrated against someone like you, i think you even had death threats, isn't that right? >> of course i did. yes. i i think overall b.l.m. is contributing to this cancel culture of every institution in america. they're starting with defunding police. if they can cancel the police, they can cancel any institution many america. gerry: thank you very much for joining us, and good for you for standing up to the mob, and we hope you continue to do so. just ahead, as crime and violence stalk the streets of many of our majorities, the -- major cities, the leaders are alarmed by the federal government's effort to restore order. stay with us. ♪ ♪
9:55 am
my money should work as hard as i do. that's why i use my freedom unlimited card to buy heavier weights online. got it! go time! with freedom unlimited, you're always earning. i should've purchased lighter weights!
9:56 am
9:57 am
we're helping members catch up by spreading any missed usaa insurance payments over the next twelve months so they can keep more cash in your pockets for when it matters most find out more at usaa.com
9:58 am
♪ ♪ gerry: now while the priesthood of our cancel culture religion who control the media continues to tell us that protests in american cities are merely peaceful expressions of concern about injustice, the reality is that violence and crime have exploded. leaders of democratic-controlled cities in particular used the brutal death of george floyd as an excuse to vilify e and punish the police. results are predictable. in major cities, crime has soared. in new york, shootings have increased 130% last month compared to last year. murders were up 30%. in chicago, shootings and murders rose more than 70% n. portland, oregon, rioters have
9:59 am
been roaming the city for weeks now. on wednesday they burned td the federal courthouse. president trump has now sent federal law enforcement officers into the city. this week he announced he's doing the same in otherities. >> this bloodshed must end, this bloodshed will end. gerry: well, of course the media screamed. new york times columnist actually said trump's occupation of american cities has begun. more than a dozen democratic mayors including new york's bill de blasio demanding the president stop these efforts. mayor de blasio, who seems much more interested in painting black lives matter sign on city streets than stopping the killers roaming city neighborhoods, also threatened to take the president to court. the fact democratic leaders have willfully abandoned their streets to rioters, violent protesters and killers. public safety is or should be the first priority of every leader. if they won't take the measures necessary to restore orders to their own cities, they can hardly object when the federal
10:00 am
government does the job for them. well, that's it for us this week. be sure to follow me on twitter, facebook and instagram. and i'll be back next week with more in-depth interviews right here on "the wall s at large." thank you for joining us. ♪ ♪ ♪ jack: welcome to "barron's roundtable" where we get behind the headlines and prepare you for the week ahead. coming up, sir martin sowell on the shift to digital and what's in store for his growing media empire. but we begin with the three most important things investors should be thinking about right now. tech ran into a brick wall this week despite strong earnings reports from microsoft and tesla. what to expect from apple, amazon, facebook and alphabet next week. chevron makes a $5 billion deal to take or

18 Views

info Stream Only

Uploaded by TV Archive on