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nothing can revee copd. spirivhelps me brthe better. does breathing with copd weigh you down? ask your doctor if spiriva can help. >> i'm brett brett in washington. we have the result. out of the state of washington, mitt romney is the projected winner from the washington state caucuses. it's a big win tonight for mitt romney. he has led all night long, as you can see at this moment, he had 38% the vote. rick santorum, 24%. newt gingrich with 11%. romney came into this night with 173 delegates, according to the associated press projections about double santorum's total. this romney win in washington state is a big momentum bump heading into super tuesday. ron paul is one of the only four candidates not in ohio tonight. he was in washington earlier, still is in washington showing
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up today at one of the caucus sites. we'll have more analysis of mitt romney's big win in washington at the top of the hour, an hour long recap, plus a look ahead to super tuesday at 10 eastern. now back to mike huckabee and the candidate forum >> huckabee: welcome back to form 3 on jobs. governor romney took questions from our panel of experts. now he'll face reaction from three ohioans who have been affected seriously by the economic collapse. michael, tammy and devon, each of whom live in this beautiful area where some of the friendliest people on earth live. i got to tell you, i love wilmington. what a nice, nice community. great people, a clean and wholesome town. it's been a delight to be here. let's get to questions. mike, you live in this community. i'm going to let you have the first question for governor romney. >> thank you. governor romney, thank you for being here. >> thank you.
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>> unfortunately, the other panel member, dave and i have something in common. i lost my son in iraq in 2003. and i have a lot of family members that also served and you say you won't cut benefits for any of these heros returning. will you increase them? and if so, how? >> michael, first let me express my respect and admiration for you and for your family and for the sacrifice of your son. >> thank you. >> it is -- it's something one can imagine, but one can't really feel like i know your family feels it tonight and i appreciate that sacrifice. >> thank you. >> no greater sacrifice for no greater country. thank you. we have a debt of gratitude to those who serve this country and for those who come back wounded in particular, we have an obligation to repair their lives
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and allow them to have a bright and prosperous tomorrow. and as a result, as i look at places where we're going to have to cut back, and there are a loft places we have to cut back, one of the places i'm not willing to cut back is our military budget. i do not want to see us reduce our number of ships or aircraft or number of active duty personnel and i certainly do not want to see us reduce our commitment to caring for those who need our care. our veterans come back as wounded warriors need to have a commitment from the commander in chief that they will be cared for. i can't imagine that if this issue put on the ballot by itself, that any answer other than the one i've just described would be selected by the american people. the people of this country understand the debt of gratitude they have and are surely willing as i am, to care for those who serve this country. and i will do so if i'm president of the united states. >> thank you. >> huckabee: a student at ohio state with us. devon. your question, please? >> first off, a pleasure to
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speak with you. i want to switch gears to business. you say you're going to lower the marginal rates. my question s how do you do that and still manage to balance the budget? >> that's the rub always. the answer is, by lowering marginal rates across the board, we'll have two things we also do. one is to limit the deductions and exemptions that exist for particularly for people at the high end of the income spectrum so that one may maintain progressive in the code and keeping the revenue coming in by getting rid of some of exemptions, or limiting them. and secondly, we'll get a growth effect by lowering the marginal rates, particularly for small businesses, you allow small businesses to hire more people, to pay higher wages. that creates greater growth. the combination of those two makes sure we don't add to the deficit. we've already got a definite sit, so we have to go to part 3, which is cut spending. that's why i laid out a series of steps i would take to get
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america finally a balanced budget. i think it is unethical, uneconomic and frankly, immoral for my generation to pass on to you and your generation obligations that we have not met knowing that you'll pay interest and principle for years upon years. we shouldn't do it. we can't do it. i'll stop it if i'm president of the united states. >> huckabee: tammy, i want to turn to you for a question for the governor. >> again, welcome to wilmington, ohio. we're pleased to have you. >> thank you. >> my question kind of is on the back of devon's. you spoke about more jobs, less debt and a smaller government. how do you propose to do that with a divided government? >> let me tell you, the best thing i can do for jobs is make america the most attractive place in the world for investors and entrepreneurs and job creators. when you have the head of coca-cola say as he did the other day that the business environment in china is friendlier than the business environment here, you know we've got problems. so from regulations to energy
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policy, to tax policy, i'm going to get america more attractive for jobs. number two, shrinking government, we're going to go through the budget and eliminate programs, send a lot of programs back to states and back to the private sector to run more efficiently, with less fraud and abuse. number three, i talk about how we get ourselves out of the debt and the deficits that we have. we simply have to have a president that's willing to tackle the big issues that we face and our national balance sheet is overwhelmed with the expenses of medicare and social security. not for current retirees. those programs aren't going to change for those retired or near retirement. but for devon, he ought to know what the deal is. as he's getting into the work force, he ought to know where will medicare and social security be for him and the changes i would make would be these: i'd say to devon, if you're higher income, then you'll have less benefits than if you're lower income. >> huckabee: we have to wrap it up. thank you very much. hate to cut you off, but we've got it get every time. thank you so much for being here
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today. and thank you to our panel of three ohioans. we'll see them again in a little while when they give us final thoughts. also, join us again for our next panel who is former senator from pennsylvania, rick santorum. we'll be joined by our panel, elaine, dave, and charlie, forum jobs continues. stay with us.
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>> huckabee: welcome back to form 3. we're talking about jobs and we're back with our panel. "fox business" network senior correspondent charlie gas. elaine, dave from st. louis. joining us now, former pennsylvania senator rick santorum. senator, good to have you here. >> thank you, governor. great to be here. >> huckabee: thanks for taking the time to join our panel. you kind of know the drill by now and watched the other candidates. we're going it turn you over to the panel. secretary will have the first question. >> senator, welcome.
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>> thank you. >> you've released at least in a framework basis the plan describing your tax policy. have you considered the size of the tax cut implied by your announced reforms? >> it's a bold tax cut. no. it was called a bold tax plan. it was called supply side economics from the working man because we really do get rid of a lot of sacred cows and throw out the old internal revenue code, replace it with two rates, 10 and 28%, and we limit it to five deduction, children, charity, pension, health care, and housing. always get nervous when you have those five, but i did. i got them. so that's a very simple code focused in on things that are sort of meat and potato issues for average americans. not a lot of bells and whistles to get people to do things you want them to do, but things that uphold the basic foundational principles of our economy. under the corporate side, again, dramatic, we cut the corporate rate in half.
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as charlie will tell you, the effective rate of the corporate tax is about 18% right now. so we cut it to 17 1/2%, make it a flat tax. get rid of all the exemptions, exclusions and have a single rate where the small business guy is paying the same as the big guy because there is no complexity that allows you to orient your business for tax compliance so the little guy and the big guy are on a level playing field. as you know for manufacturing, we eliminate the corporate tax because it's all about headaching things here in america. >> follow up on one other thing. i want to follow up on this, if you want to get the economy growing again, do you think it's better to pursue targeted stimulus or focus on getting the government out of the way? >> it's a combination. part of the economic plan is focus on really the -- everyone talks about the regulatory environment. we focused on our plan on the regulations that really hurt business. as you know, they measure regulations based on the cost and the economy. the president has put forward
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more regulations that cost the economy more than $100 million than any president in history last year. 2 1/2 times the average rate under bush and under clinton. about 60 a year. last year, president obama did 150 of these huge high cost regulations. more on the way this year. we need to -- i said on day one, i will rescind every one of those regulations. some will have to be replaced. but a lot of them we can repeal and completely change the attitude of washington toward the business community. >> huckabee: now charlie. >> speaking about one of those regulations. dodd-frank, most agree coming out of the banking collapse, we needed something. we needed some regulation. but dodd-frank in particular had a lot of unintended consequences. for example, banks aren't lending to people. >> small banks in particular. >> right. how do you fix that? >> i'm for repealing dodd-frank. i was never for the wall street bailouts. i believe that in capitalism, i came from southwestern pennsylvania where the steel industry took it on the chin and it was hard for 20, 30 years in
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pittsburgh. i have won't say it wasn't. but pittsburgh is a stronger community right now. we all went through suffering burks it's a diversified economy and that's what has to happen when capitalism fails is to allow it to fall and come back up again. >> even if you're elected president, there is a good chance you'll have a divided government. how do you repeal dodd-frank with divided government? >> you can make the case to the american public. i think you can repeal it because it's a too big to fail idea. >> you think a democrat will support that? >> i think there is a lot of democrats will support ending the dodd frank. there are a lot seeing the con instruction in the banking and effect on small business saying this isn't what we intended. when you have an election which rick santorum elected president, we'll have a majority in the united states senate. >> you think you'll have all three houses? >> we'll have a majority? the -- we're only three votes short right now and 23 of the 33 senators up this year are
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democrats and i know, 06 was a pretty bad year. i happened to run that year. democrats basically ran the table on almost every state where there was a race. we have an opportunity to get a lot of those seats back and we flip it, 23 of those 33 seats held by republicans, we have a 60-vote majority. we only need shift three or four sites and have an opportunity to be a majority and then get some democrats to work with us. democrats, a lot of democrats come from states like i do. they're not big fans of wall street and what went on there. they're looking for something that's reasonable that will allow small business communities to get the loans they need. >> huckabee: dave? >> regulations, regulation, regulations. right now, one of the major one that's killing us is health care. on wednesday, our employees saw their new health plan, 2012, the deductible went from $2,250 to $6,000. people were mad. tears were visible. medical savings plans that mothers depend on were gutted. you say you're going to
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eliminate obamacare by replacing it with what? >> you meant flexible spending accounts? >> that's right. >> fsa's are a great program and they were gutted. they got a cap put on. it's all the way president obama focuses on things. it's always about him micromanaging everything. dictating to people what they can. he doesn't want people to have flexible spending accounts for them to meet their own health care needs. he wants to limit that and shift the responsibility to government to tell you what health care plan everybody has to have. that's the fundamental shift we're seeing already starting to take place as obamacare slowly is implemented and eventually we'll have not only no flexible spending companies, but mandated benefits on everybody and, of course, your $6,000 plan, you can't afford it. unless you have something that i've worked on, actually we're here in ohio and governor kasich were the authors of health savings accounts. that's an idea of -- having the
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premium savings go the employee in these accounts to help them meet the ordinary and necessary expenses. health savings accounts are going in popularity. we need to expand them greatly. we need to have transparency in pricing. we have to have transparency in the idea with respect to the quality of the provider that's providing this care. in other words, we need to do what you do, which is to go out and compete, go out and have 300 million consumers in america, that will drag down health care costs. not government regulation. >> huckabee: we've got to take a breck. when we come back, more with former pennsylvania senator and presidential candidate rick santorum. or forum on jobs continues right after this what's the matter?
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>> huckabee: all right. we're going to continue with former pennsylvania senator rick santorum as our jobs forum continues on and our next question comes from secretary elaine, which hou. >> president obama proposed a republicannesque reduction in the corporate tax rate to 28%. but he has also consistently proposed a substantial rate increase for small business owners. those making $250,000 and above. so what this means is, small business owners are paying a higher tax rate than corporations. what do you think about that? >> well, that's why i'm for cutting corporate taxes and individual taxes. we cut the corporate rate to 17 1/2%. we cut the individual top rate to a rate that worked well for ronald reagan. and caused a lot of economic growth in the 1980s. i'm excited that we have two rates. top rate of 28 and a bottom rate of 10 and we greatly expand that
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10% rate for people in this country. i think the idea of everybody paying tax social security a good thing and i think having a two rate system with a higher rate for those who make more money was a nice way to balance it and simplify the tax code. to me, the most important thing is simpleification. unlike most people run for political office, i do my own taxes. so i did when i was a congress in the senate, i thought if i'm going to vote on tax changes, i'm going to see how it complicates my life. so do my own taxes and it may be one of the reasons i'm for simpleification. >> huckabee: charlie? >> you said that you were against the bank bailouts. would you really have let citigroup and bank of america, which bank of america has a branch in just about every main street in the united states, would you have let these companies collapse? >> i would have let them go through a process which would have happened which is a bankruptcy process. the bankruptcy process may have
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been a liquidation. it may have been a reorganization. but again, i come from southwestern pennsylvania. you let the steel go bankrupt. it was as big and dominant a muscular presence in american economy as city bank was. we let it go. we let lots of steel companies go. >> i'm not degrading their loss. but city bank and bank of america have a trillion dollars of deposits that the u.s. government insures. how would you have -- where we going to find that money? >> again. we have go through the process as you would in any kind of structured bankruptcy. we set the wrong templelate when we bailed out one bank and not the next. what happened is, everybody froze because they believed that the federal government was going to come in. so we make misstep after misstep, but in a santorum presidency, we wouldn't have bailed out any, lehman brothers and the market would have responded accordingly.
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you're judging the bailout based on actions prior to the bailout which set the template for the bailout and i believe you have to have a principled approach to letting capitalism work or not and the idea of bailing out wall street and bailing out even though they're important institutions, there would be an opportunity for us to recover. i don't think there is any question there would have been a bigger down turn, but we'd be on a steeper upturn instead of floundering around. >> no more too big to fail? >> no. look, we memorialized it and what do we have? bigger banks with bigger shares which leads to future bailout and also leads to behavior on the part of the bankers that says, you know what? hey, let's take a little -- take your risk because there is always someone behind us just in case we fail. >> would you pay -- >> huckabee: i hate to interrupt and go to dave. >> two years ago, my company was
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17 days from filing bankruptcy. 17 days. sitting down with our community bank, a plan was established, hand shakes were exchanged because they worked with us. something a big bank would have never, ever done. i lived to fight another day. >> god bless you. >> today the feds crushing small banks. what are you going to do to reestablish small banks which are the life blood? >> charlie will tell you, the reason that the small banks are struggling is because they said they were going to create a two tier system of regulation and they really haven't. so all of the big bank regulations are being rained down upon little banks where it wasn't the problem in the first place. and you have regulators who are constricting the availability of capital from the little guy because of the regulatory climate which they've created. that's why dodd-frank and the regulatory environment we have in our banking system has to be relooked at.
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again, it goes back to who do you trust? do you really trust the federal government to micromanage the availability of credit or do you believe in free markets and let the market work? you know what, if it's a failure, let it fail because that's the way you improve and you get better and investors take that into consideration when they invest in banks and opportunities. that's the marketplace. it works best for america. not government regulation of that market. >> huckabee: senator, thank you very much. coming up, the senator is going to be facing a panel of ohioans. remember, you can post your thoughts about the forum on our wall at facebook.com/huckabeeshow. you can also tweet, use the hash tag, huckforum. we'll be right back with more with senator santorum. [ kate ] most women may not be properly absorbing
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ron paul has 25%. rick santorum has 24%. newt gingrich has 11% right now. coming up at the top of the hour, a complete wrap-up and a look forward with a special edition of "special report." look to super tuesday as well. now back to mike huckabee and tonight's candidate forum. >> huckabee: welcome back. our topic is jobs. senator santorum took questions from our panel of experts. now he's going to be face reaction from our panel of three ohio residents. michael, tammy and devon. the first question is going to come from the ohio state university senior, devon. >> thank you. senator santorum, again, it's an honor to get to talk to you. my question is about your comments you said earlier this week. i'm a student in college. your comment about obama being a snob for wanting everyone to have the chance to go to college didn't sit well with my campus.
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so i wanted to give you a chance to explain what you meant by that 'cause personally i'd really like to know. >> it wasn't about having a chance to go to school. i was going on and talking about how the president with health care was mandating the kind of health care you're going to have. talking about the financial services sector and now having this consumer protection bureau which is going to mandate to a lot of folks, particularly sub prime lenders. went through whole bunch of things where he was telling you what is best for you. i said, and his quote was, i'll repeat it often was, in the media was that everybody should go to college. you see, there is something different than saying people should have the opportunity to go to college. that's fine. all my political career i've supported -- in fact, we do need a lot of people to go to college and get the education and in some cases the training that's necessary. the idea that everybody should go to college is again, was this attitude that we know better what's best for you. and there are a lot of people in this country who want to go to a
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trade school, serve in the military, want to start their own business because they have a great idea or just are anxious to get out there and achieve in society and there is nothing wrong with that. we need to encourage different paths that meet the needs of the people individually. it's this attitude that government knows best for everybody and we're going to set this template which is what i was rejecting to as elitist type of behavior. >> huckabee: mike, your question is next. >> thank you, senator. >> thank you. >> i'm one of the thousands that were laid off from this very facility and now i'm a craftsman and i work 50 to 60 hours a week just to frankly barely make my house payment. i've got neighbors, a lot of houses on my block and my street in foreclosure. tell me what you're going to do to end the horrible foreclosure crisis that we've got going on in this country. >> as anyone will tell you, the
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best thing we can do is grow the economy and get better jobs. i talked earlier about how we're going to do that with the tax code. energy a big, big deal. got to reduce energy price, otherwise we'll constrict whatever growth we have going on and i'm someone who believes building that keystone pipeline, opening up federal lands in alaska and offshore and also taking advantage of the great gift we have here in ohio, in pennsylvania, which is a lot of natural gas production that's going on here. that's an opportunity for us to start converting some of our fleet over to natural gas, particularly our heavy trucks. 18 wheelers and the buss and things like that where it's really economical. we're start to see some of that now. i think what we can do is look at the regulatory environment and see what we can do to encourage it. i'm not for subsidies for natural gas industry. i am for providing a very favorable atmosphere for that industry to prosper, grow out, build filling stations along i-80 right through here and ohio
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so we can have that network of truck traffic instead of using oil resources, using resource made here in america. and that will be a big part of t. one thing on the housing front, again, that makes me unique in the race, i actually put forward a plan that says that if you sell your home, unlike today, if you sell your home, you can deduct the losses from the sale of the home. cushion the blow a little bit for people which right now if you make a big gain on your hours not too many people doing that these days, you have to pay capital gains on it. but if you have a loss, you don't. i think that's unfair and i think that will help stabilize the market, maybe have some people put that house back on the market as a result. >> huckabee: tammy, i'll let you pose a question. >> i want to thank you for coming to wilmington, ohio and being here today. >> thank you. >> in an interview in december, you made some comments that led me to believe that you might cut social security immediately. my husband and i took social security early so that we could
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maintain our home and not lose it. what exactly -- what are you going to make cuts in and how? >> social security is a -- the system was put in effect in 1937 to help people who were unable to work because of advanced age and provide a safety net for them. 90% of people over the age of 75 in america, for example, rely upon social security for their living. that's not the case necessarily with people who are 62. and most people would agree that people who are 62 aren't incapable of working. why? because life expectancy is now 80. when 62 was put in as early retirement anal, life expectancy was 61. so the question is, are we going to continue to provide for folks -- 70% of americans take social security at 62, the vast, vast majority are still working. so the question is, should we continue to borrow money from china, which is what we're doing, paying those benefits to
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those folks at 62, and threatening the benefits that are available for folks who truly have to depend on social security because they're not able to work anymore and they need that benefit. so what i've suggested is that we need to over time, start gradually moving back that early retirement age. i asked people in the audience, if you're 61 years of age, do you mind if we move the eligibility age to 62 and one month? this is a gradual process. why? because we're over $100 billion in debt every year on social security and it's going to get worse. we're going to be thettenning those people who actually rely on it as opposed to people who are using it as a supplement. >> huckabee: thank you very much. i want to say not only thanks to senator santorum and we'll see you in a few moments again with closing remarks, but also special thanks to tammy, mike and devon, all folks from right here in ohio with questions from the real world of living in america and trying to keep a job. when we come back, we'll bring
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>> huckabee: each of the three candidates have had equal time to answer our panel's questions. now they all are going to join us once again. they'll have one minute each to give us their final thoughts.
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again, the order in which they're going to appear was determined by a random drawing just prior to tonight's forum. ron paul declined our repeated invitations to attend today's forum here in ohio. first up, former massachusetts governor, mitt romney. governor? >> thank you, mike, for bringing us here this afternoon. appreciate the chance to be in this facility. it just underscores how many people are hurting, in part because of the policies of barak obama. on almost every dimension, he made it harder for america's economy to recover and put americans back to work. it's one reason i'm in this race. there are a lot of good folks running for office, all good people. but i spent my life in the private sector. i know how jobs come. i know how they go. i want to use the experience i've had to get america working again. i want to see rising incomes. i want to see america once again the engine that creates jobs. i want our kids coming out of school knowing they have a good job waiting for them. i want our men and women coming home from combat knowing that when they get home, there is a good job waiting for them.
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i love this country. i believe it's prospects are bright. i believe in restoring the american promise and i'm going to do that by creating more jobs with less debt and smaller government. i'd appreciate your help. thank you. >> huckabee: up next is former pennsylvania senator rick santorum. we'll have to get the candidates to agree to leave. i want to say what a pleasure it's been to have all of our candidates here and you just have to realize how tough it is to rearrange schedules in order to be at something like this and i hope you appreciate the efforts they've made. let me present rick santorum. >> thank you very much, governor. it's great to be here with you and it's great to be here in the state of ohio. governor romney just said, it's important that we're in a place like here in wilmington where we've seen the economic devastation that has been caused by a very rapidly and dynamically changing economy and we need someone who is out there who understands what it means to
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grown up as at this in a steel town and lose jobs and understand what it means to have folks that you grew up with being left behind. we see a lot of that going on in this country today. a lot of folks feeling like they're paddling alone and not having the opportunities to be able to rise in society. that's why i put together a very bold economic plan, the "wall street journal" called it a supply side economics for the working man. we've got a plan that's going to go out and create opportunities for everybody, from the bottom of the ladder up. someone that is going to go down and fight in washington, d.c., has a record of reforming government and changing the tax code and fighting for private sector health care reform. we've been able to do that. you give us the opportunity. we'll fight for you and get big things done in washington. >> huckabee: thank you very much. that was senator rick santorum from pennsylvania. and our final speaker, the order was chosen by a random drawing and to close out the candidate remarks tonight is former house speaker newt gingrich. >> governor huckabee, thank you for hosting this forum and thank
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all of you for watching. as you saw from the ohio citizens who spoke here, bad government can lead to real pain. bad government can lead to people being killed through bad rules of engagement. it can lead to our veterans not getting adequate care. bad government can lead to people losing their jobs. having a future that is pretty dim and maybe even losing their homes. we need very profound change in washington. proverbs teaches us that without vision, the people perish. unfortunately, barak obama has the wrong vision. we need a campaign that defines for america what a full employment economy is like, what having energy independence is like, what we can do for america to be dramatically better off. thank you and i hope you'll consider newt gingrich when you vote. >> huckabee: thank you, mr. speaker, and thanks to all the candidates. again, i want to say running for president is not an easy thing and you put up with a lot,
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including schedules that just about would break anybody's spirit and will. but tonight we've seen their answers with energy and with a deep insight. i hope it's been helpful to you. we're going to bring our panel back after the break. we'll talk about what did we hear tonight. it we get the answers that we're looking for that will help this country get back on its feet, get jobs going again? we'll be right back. stay with us for forum, the jobs forum
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>> huckabee: welcome back to forum 3. we've been talking about jobs. most important issue in america. and we brought our panel back to talk about it and break it all down. we're going to start with dave of st. louis. you're a small business owner,
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dave. every day you struggle with the way to keep your current employees hired, as well as the thought of adding new people. we've had a good discussion with all these candidates. but i want to ask you, as you listen tonight, tell me what your reactions were to the answers that you got to your questions and are you optimistic? >> i am, yes. there wasn't a -- it wasn't a bad candidate here tonight. i think as the american public, we have to address our personal issues and the way we looked at them. my business, my family. that's it. that's the american public today. i think if these candidates watch this, i think the thing they should learn from this is this is what the american public wants to see. we don't need more of the sitting o the stage shooting each other. we need to beat the obama administration. we need to change in this country. we have to move forward. >> huckabee: we didn't let them attack each other. i realize it may not be as entertaining, but what we hope for was substantive answers. is there any specific that one of the candidates said that
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really spoke to you as a small business operator? or just as a person, as an american? >> you know, a little of both. i felt they were whole hearted answers. you didn't see tonight poster book card replies. we didn't hear the talking points. the answers, to me, came back you, dave, you. you small businessman. you, mr. america. you, mrs. america. you, the veteran. thank you for what you did, but all those things. it just seemed to me to come across as a lot warmer. >> huckabee: madam secretary, you have been in politics a long, long time. >> public service, government. >> huckabee: maybe i should say you've been in government. but politics leads to government whether we like it or not. it's one of those unintended consequences of politics and next thing you know, you're governing. you asked tough questions of these guys. tell me, did you get the answers that you were looking for? did they answer your questions? or did they give you a talking
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point? >> no, i agreed totally with dave. i think they gave very sincere answers. they clearly care deeply about our country, very troubled by the path we're currently on. we hear the same things and the same refrain and that is that we are uncompetitive in the international arena with our uncompetitive tax rate. we have an overwhelming burden of regulations, government regulations on our employers. so they feel the uncertainty. they feel the burden and they're not creating jobs. then thirdly, our national debt and this self dit which is dragging our nation down. so all three factors are the reasons why we're not creating jobs. there has got to be a course correction. >> huckabee: did anybody surprise you tonight with an answer they gave? i'm not saying you liked it or disliked it, but maybe surprised you with the clarity or candor of it? >> dave gave a very touching question about his own family in
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various circumstances and instances. i thought that governor mitt romney's response about your son was very powerful. >> thank you. >> huckabee: i agree. >> he was very -- he was very responsive and very emotional about it as well. >> huckabee: you could see that. i agree with you. charlie, let's ask you, what happened tonight, as you listened to the candidates, did you go away saying that guy really nailed that answer? >> i hate to be part of the chorus here, i thought they all did a pretty good job. i thought it was great that we got -- part of the forum, we got mitt romney to reduce his economic plan from 59 as he pointed out, mind numbing details to 7 morocco hasn't details which was really good. i don't think you would get that at a debate. i was most impressed with rick santorum. if you listened to the press so much, you could say there are gaffes on his part where he
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talks about social issues. i think, i'm not a political strategist, he should talk more about the economy and banking and debt and the stump nash -- if you don't have a job, that is really at the heart of things and he was impresssive. >> huckabee: you pushed him on the issue of the bailouts. what happened to bank of america, city bank. >> that was a great answer. >> huckabee: i was going to say. he did not flinch. he did not try to say, well. he was clear in saying, yeah. they could have reorganized or gone through a typical bankruptcy and it would have been less expensive and less difficult on the country long-term. he used a term i thought was interesting. he said that by letting this happen, it created a template which that to me, i thought was -- >> that was the money shot to me. he said that. he basically said the one thing that is at the bottom of economics. you can not create what's known as moral hazard. no consequence to your risk. i think that's a big thing in terms of banking regulation.
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>> huckabee: my assessment, similar to what you said. i agree that governor romney's answer showed a side of him that i had not seen, a deeply personal, passionate, emotional side that we have not really seen. that's been a criticism of governor romney. i thought he really blew that question right -- i mean the answer right out of the water. it was a tremendous response. i thought newt gingrich tonight, he always has thoughtful, clear and very insightful answers. he knows very specifically what he wants to do. let me say thanks to awful you. charlie, always great to see you. a pleasure having you on my show. secretary chow, it's a delight and honor. dave, you have your own television show one of these days. probably mine. >> my son -- >> huckabee: thank you very much for being here. when we come back, we'll rejoin our panel of ohio residents from
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this wonderful community wilmington, ohio. that is what we're going to do when we come back. you better stay with us. i wonder how she does it. that's why she's the boss. because the small business with the best tecology rules. contact the verizon center for customers with disabilities at 1-800-974-6006. but does bringing a floor back to life really make us heroes?
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student, devon. first of all, i want to say what a pleasure it has been to be in this lovely community. some of the nicest people we've ever seen. michael, you're part of this community. how have you been able to be resilient in the aftermath of such a devastating economic loss >> that's easy for me to answer. it's god. without my faith and my church and a strong family, i couldn't have got through what we've gone through after our son's death and then the subsequent layoffs here. there is no way i could have made it through this. i do know a lot of people who just are in a mess because they can't handle it, but i put my faith in god that i can every day. >> i want to ask each of you this question: did any of the candidates tonight cause you to say, i think i could support that guy? michael, i'll start with you and we'll go down the line. any of them?
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>> governor romney made a good case for me. he seemed very passionate about the soldiers, which is always at the forefront of my mind. i'm still a little undecided, but as a common man from a small town, i've got a lot of food for thought from this that virtually nobody else would be able to get. >> you got to make up your mind by tuesday because ohio votes on super tuesday. tammy, tell me what your reaction was to the comments of the candidates. did they answer your questions? are you closer to a decision on who you would support? >> i think they were all very passionate about their answer and they were very well informed as far as i was concerned. it was like sitting next and having them talk directly to me. i appreciate this opportunity. i think the only question that was partially unanswered was governor romney and when i asked him specifically about how with more jobs and smaller
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government, how can that happen with a divided government, and he didn't quite answer that part of it. the only other thing i have to say is, i welcome them all to ohio with all my heart. >> if you had to vote today, would you make that decision and tell us? >> i'm still undecided. >> like michael, you only have a couple of days. >> i do. >> i'm going to be following up and ask you. devon, it's all on your shoulders now. everybody is dodging the question. tell me who impressed you tonight and why and have they convinced you to vote for them? >> i do think that my vote is going to come down to the final day. as an independent, i'm lucky to be able to vote in this caucus. but what i really wanted to see from the candidates was that they're going to prove to me that if they are elected president, they'll show washington is a joint effort, that they're going to be willing to work with -- going to be nonpartisan and work with other parties. that's when i want to see. as a 20-year-old, i'm very young. this is my first presidential
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election. i'll have a vote in. all i've ever seen ever been accustomed to is bickering and i would really like to see someone who would cross boundaries and work with everyone, someone who is not just worried about winning seats back for their party, but someone who is willing to try to make it work with everyone. i know maybe that's a little idealist, but that's still what i would love to see. >> so all of you come in here undecided. you leave undecided. but at least impressed you have three good choices out of the candidates you've seen and we say ron paul was invited but chose not to come of the i think that's important. i want to say thanks to mike, tammy and devon, also thanks to newt gingrich, mitt romney, and rick santorum for taking part in our forum tonight. remember to be sure and tune in to fox news for the full coverage of super tuesday. that's this tuesday, march 6, when ten states will be holding their gop primaries or their caucuses. now from the wonderful community of wilmington,

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