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through in life. >> shepard: how will italy, how will the curia react to him? >> he's a well-known figured. he was considered as a possible candidate in 2005 when pope john paul ii died. he's of italian descent, which is pleasing, and a man 76 years old, a mature person who has been in leadership role for a long time. he'll be well greeted. the question is will they cooperate with his plans for reform. it would be in their interest to do that. >> shepard: it's widely understood the curia do not cooperate the way pope benedict xvi hoped and that could be part of the reason he's no longer pope. >> it's fair to say there was infighting and lack of enthusiasm for everything the
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pope did. there was disorder and mismanagement on the order of a butler stealing documents and no one finding out. the curia is filled with many interesting people. popes always bring in new people but i have a feeling that the people who are greeting the pope tonight are very pleased to have this man as pope. >> shepard: with the overriding function of the church to spread the gospel, and to bring people to christ, is this man -- well, he has a daunting task ahead, but -- >> start with the name he picked. saint francis, probably the most beloved saint in the world, a model and inspiration not only for franciscans but every catholic. noncatholics love saint francis. i think there's going to be a speer of love surrounding the pope. i think he'll do a great job.
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>> shepard: thank you so much. we'll have continuing coverage through the afternoon and evening here on fox news. i'll be back with you tonight at 7:00 eastern, 4:00 pacific. for all of us in rome, thank you. here's cavuto. seven years ago he was the main challenger to the man who would become known as pope benedict xvi. today he game his successor. and today, he chose the name francis. pope francis. welcome, i'm neil cavuto and from runner up to on top, cardinal jorge mario bergoglio of buenos aires, argentina is the leader of more than 1.2 billion catholics and the first from the america's, the first latino, the first top church official from his country who refused to live in the church mansion reserved for top bishops. a man who preferred a simple bed
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in a downtown room heated by little more than a stove. a priest and later bishop to preferred public transportation over limousines and chose to cook his own dinners. a man considered so quiet and studied. his calm demeanor prompted critics to say he was a pushover until his country of argentina legalized contraception and he raged. the fast booming economy left wealth in the hands of a few top government officials and he roared. this man who has taken the name of the quiet preacher known more for be friending animals and living a life of poverty, now at the epicenter of the catholic church. from amy kellogg on what has to be one of the most shocking decisions we've seen out of rome in centuries.
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what do you make of this? >> you have learned more about pope francis than i've managed to, to bravo. most of us were taken by surprise. we thought if white smoke came tonight, it would probably be angelo scola, the archbishop of milan. this was a surprise to many. to those believing the speculation and the wagering. but so many profound messages are coming out of st. peter's this evening. the first latin american pope. someone with such obvious humility and someone who has it such experience dealing with politics and having political sensibilities. there's really such a jubilant mood, as much as maybe many italians would have like to have seen another italian pope, there's pride that the vatican reached across continents. the first words uttered by the pope were that my brother
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cardinals went to the end of the world to come up with a pope. the italians were also quite charmed by the fact his opening words, really opening words, were buenos aires. good evening, so informal for a pope and that was moving for a lot of people. the italian media is making a big deal out of that. the first words are very important. we remember john paul ii saying please correct me in i make a mistake. we remember this pope, pope francis, just exhibiting such humility asking for the mass to say pray for him to be a good pope. he was elected on the fifth ballot and tonight, neil, i don't think people really expected the white smoke. everyone said it would probably come tomorrow but it was almost as if everyone's gut tipped them off because this square was to packed in the freezing cold and rain. and then the white smoke came
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and it was incredibly june latin. the first latin american pope blessing rome and the world on st. peter's square. back to you. >> we can't stress enough, we talk about the election of -- the father who went on to become pope john paul ii, the first nonitalian in better than 500 years. this is the furthest geographically the catholic church has gone to find its leader. father, i tend to just read body language a lot or the significance of that, probably not as well as folks who do this for a living. i was impressed with knowing his background a little bit as i do about his modesty. and how unassuming he is, that he had to -- it was like a shock in him, looking at the crowds
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and the throngs below, like he was taking it in and almost saying, father, this, for me, you know is remarkable. >> this all for me. well, i think the crowd couldn't be happier. and i think he's overwhelmed by what just happened with the name francis, the choosing of the name francis, is at the heart of this. part of your discovery in looking at it, he is a disciple of st. francis, though he's a jesuit, he could be a franciscan frier. i traveled for a short time with cardinal arms of sao palo and he impressed me because he gave up his episcopal pals, -- palace,
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carries his own baggage and here is his friend, brothers in spirit, replicating the same life he tried to live and he will live at pope. this man will never be for goaten. -- forgotten. >> father thank you very much. thisthis is the choice of the cardinals. he got the 77 minimum votes required to move on to become the next pope. he came in second last last time to cardinal ratzinger who became pope benedict xvi. what do you think brought a man who back then was seen by a good number of cardinals as, at 69 or 68 back then, a good long term pope for leadership of the church? are they making a different statement now that the same guy is 76?
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>> they're making a different statement because they're trying to bridge the division between liberal and conservative catholics. it's been mentioned by taking the name francis and giving us chauffeurs and limousines, that resonates with the catholic left but catholic conservatives lo of that as well. what's not been mentioned much is he's orthodoxed on moral culture. >> contraceptives. >> he's reached out to help and wash the bodies of people suffering from aids. while he's opposed to practicing homosexuality. you're going to see he may are liberal on socioeconomic issues and conservative on cultural issues. liberals will have more problems than the conservatives.
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>> the past he has in argentina, someone told me that it's one of of the fastest, solidly church going catholic countrys turned secular, as least by government-run countries, that we've seen. so many dropped out of the weekly church attendance, there's been now contraception has become legal, push for gay marriage. one of the few countrys to push that ahead ofous. he recoiled and got grief at home. will he get a lot of grief because he's been quite unapologetic about that. and now, in his role as pope, will that cause more controversy? >> look, the controversy we hear about comes from those catholics who, for a large extent, left the church or have one foot out the door. most are not in a state of
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rebellion despite the surveys and polls. some faulty in terms of their precision, but, look, the fact of the matter is that the conservatives, they're going to want a man who does have a moral anchor, who is not going to buck the trend. we have a healthy understanding of sexuality, based on restraint and not a idea of sexuality. on the other hand we're in favor of reaching out to the poor. for a jesuit to take the name of francis. >> neil: we should explain francis is -- >> he leads. >> a very simple life a vow of poverty and that was what he was known for and the fact kids remember the man with the animals. >> he literally stripped off his clothes in the public square and said i've had it with people in the catholic church catering to the rich and elite.
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>> neil: he started out rich himself and this was a cardinal, a bishop, a priest who never came from money. but once he grew to be a power in the church, he was afforded power. >> he's a man of the people and that's something the left will rally to him for but they'll be stuck. what do you do when a man of the people who is a traditionalist on cultural irish. conservatives will embrace him more than those with one foot out the door. >> neil: he's 76 and -- he was going to be a interim place setter and led to vatican 2, which was a overhaul of the church and -- what have you. so is this more transitional given his age, or did the
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cardinals, assuming that might have been there, thinking electing him, have we created another pius. >> i don't think he's transitional the way ratzinger was. there's no question he was not on the very, very short list of most people because most catholics thought he wouldable in his 60s or 70s but they decided, was he the first person they wanted? apparently not. so what happens is let's get somebody acceptable to everyone, which is why it went into the fourth or fifth ballot. >> neil: by the way, 76 is the new 56. so you don't -- >> but he doesn't have any lines on him. >> neil: we can remember this. i thought he looked so much like pope paul vi and thought i'm having a flashback.
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>> 35% of catholics are latino. i started with my catholic church teachings in spanish harlem. >> the most booming part of the church. thank you very much. more on this surprise announcement, including whether it had a divine effect on what i'm about to show you. the dow jones industrial average posing the seventh straight record, the longest streak in 26 years. the dow has had nine straight up sessions, the longest winning streak in more than 16 years. if this is inspired by the pope, i would be shocked but i'm not here to question anything that happens from the guy upstairs.
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is. >> neil: at first the smoke looked dark and we thought we would have a sixth vote would have happened tomorrow. then the smoke wasn't dark, it was white, indicating the 115 cardinals gathered in the room blow, the sistine chapel, had agreed on a man to carry the work of st. peter in the eyes of the catholic, the first vicar of the church honoring jesus christ. this is his 2 66th successor. cardinal jorge mario bergoglio who has taken on the name pope francis. we're joined by the pastor of our lady of the lake church. what did you make of this church? >> i'm delayed. as a man of true humility.
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i'm elated he said to the people pray for me. i like that very much. i like the fact he took francis. in the mailed ages, saint francis said to the pope we need to reform the church. if this church is in need of anything, it's serious reform. for him to take that name is a statement that says he knows we need to change. you were speaking about the moral changes. i don't think the teachings will change but the way you package something matters a lot, as you know. and i think this pope will give a very human face, a compassionate face, to teachings that's not always's to take but true teaching. i think he'll stay loyal to the teaching but a more humannen face. >> neil: if you forgive my typical media shallow-type question. even those who loved him and marveled at his career in argentina, if you will, didn't
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give him high marks on charisma or high marks on stunning sermons, just knock your socks off or homilies that you never forget. in reading what he said and in grabbing the magnitude of what he said, and the moments when he chose to say it, like when argentina legalized contraception. this man, when he first came out on the balcony, and unlike a lot of his predecessors, didn't work it -- no offense to his predecessors, like a seasoned politician, waving to the crowd. he seemed measure mesmerized and took it in, almost like i have a big job. what do you make of that and whether that helps or hurts him? >> two things. i guess we were watching the same patrol car -- program but seeing it differently. i saw a man relaxed and chatting with the people of rome.
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he wasn't pontificating, he was just talking. you probably had the same experience i did. itches in the presence -- i was in the presence of mother theresa. not a charismatic person. i'm saying his power comes from his awe then sith -- awe thentiesty. he's sincere, authentic, living the life he calls others to live. he's genuine. that's water in the desert. >> neil: i try to get that genuine thing down. i built a career trying to build that. in all seriousness, do you get a sense, father, people quickly seize on the age, 76, maybe he's a place-setter, maybe just an interim guy to clean up, get the church right, and then a maverick comes in after that.
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>> i don't think we know any of that. we know he's going to do the best job he can for whatever time he has. you don't know how much time you have, i don't know how much time i have. this pope will use five years, ten years, 20 years, god willing, to do what he believes to be right and true. >> neil: very well said. >> who knows, it's up to god. >> neil: it is indeed. i know what i'm going to do, my only goal is to make sure whatever i have left on earth is one minute more than bill o'reilly. thank you, your insights are profound. we're getting to know this man who is now taking on the name of francis, to lead the world's 1.2 billion catholics. he then becomes sort of like the world's figure for all things responding to religion. whether it's fair or right or whether taking on the political
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before the bells were peeling in -- outside thetoday w would be press today even identifyberg bergoglio, the argentina cardinal who was elected pope today and will take on the name pope francis but the scene right now, as the crowd has thinned somewhat, is excepting the fact for the third time in a row, the papacy which used to be under firm control of
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italians is under a nonitalian again. but they went pretty far, all the way to argentina to find this fellow and he's now leader of the world's 1.2 billion catholics. we're joined in rome. father, you remind me last time we forget, especially a lots of noncatholics watching would say what does it mean to me? this guy doesn't speak for me. i don't need a intermediate -- airy but he represents and becomes a lightening rod for the basic issues of personal faith and religion that come up in this increasingly secular world, right? >> yes, indeed. you just have to look at the basilica behind me to realize the immense history of this place. the legacy of the apostle that
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he succeeds. you just articulated his challenge. how does he make his role as the successor of peter, the vicar of christ on earth, relative to people's life? just by being supervise official and making jokes or by being facility to what he knows to be the truth of the gospel. i think as his papacy unfolds, we'll see what he's done in argentina and what he can do in the world. >> neil: one of the things, when you made it big, big leaders welcome you to the club. the president of the united states, barack obama, issued a statement on behalf of the american people we offer warm wishes to his holiness. pope francis, as he ascends to the chair. david cameron saying, on this
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momentous day, a long and blessed pontificate. you know the pressure as's on and you're in one of the more scrutinized and reported on offices on the planet. >> well, that's very true. and how do you combat that? by trying to be complex, by being more sophisticated than everyone else or in the way pope francis will, as he's evidenced already, his simplicity, awe awe awe -- he's the successor of the man to negotiated with atilla the hun. he that is 2,000 years of thinking and tradition and prayer behind him and i think if he keeps his focus on that, that is to say on jesus christ, he's going to be fine. >> neil: father, a lot of people, as i mentioned before,
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they seize on the age and wonder if the church had gone a younger route, a younger cardinal, all this draining that -- catholics are experiencing, that a lot of churches experience among young people period would slow and this does little, as least on the cosmetic level alone, we'll have to see what comes of the new pope. and that's a worry. are you worried? >> no, i'm not. i'm -- you say cosmetic level. cosmetics are not very deep. >> neil: i built a year on it. >> we're looking for something that's permanent -- i know, but you're not elected pope. >> neil: true. >> i think what he has had to do -- same way john paul i did, he began -- ii did, a mountain climber and skier but he
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fascinated young people and gave a lesson on how to die well. young people are idealistic and to hold up ideals rather than ask them to live down on their passion, that's what pope francis has the capacity today. >> neil: talk about my cosmetic and shallow nature, but to go on and talk about this religious conundrum that if you're looking for reform in the church, you've got to be impressed by a guy who askewed rich trappings and benefits of his office that were provided in buenos aires, living in the bishop's -- no limo driver, public transportation. he cooked himself. so they would be impressed but not with his stance, vocal stance, against gay marriage and against argentina, when it made
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legal, all forms of contraception. how will this go down with a church that are wanting to make this a next step thing? >> i think -- by the way, he did that tonight. he decided not to wear the urmin and capelet. benedict and john paul ii had a red shoulder cape. i think it's that authenticity. mother teresa spoke in that same simple, direct way and fascinated people. it's a question of drawing people in by holiness. asking them to think about the meaning of their lives, the origin of their existence and their destiny. if the pope does that, which is what the top part of his job description, we're going to be fine.
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i think it's much more the media that's focused on those top five questions that i get asked over and over here than the kind of abiding questions. how do marriages sustain themself? how do we nurture human life and treat the elderly or the handicapped with dignity. >> neil: all good points. i'm part of that very, very surfacey media. father, always a pleasure. thank you, sir. >> good to talk to you, neil. >> neil: all right, the scene right now outside the basilica in rome. obviously one of the top ten tourist destinations on the planet. more so today as folks around the world celebrate the 266th 266th pope we've had. it began is saint peter. many more to come. how consequential will pope francis be that, at 76, amid
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those already dismissing what he can do at this age, remember how often we've gotten it wrong. how many times. f
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>> neil: this is a great shot. i bet you that was taken right after cardinal ratzinger became pope and -- so seven other eight years ago and that fellow there
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is the cardinal who finished second to him and today, finished first. became pope. so the hold pope greeting the man who would become the future pope. but for now, a lot of americans might be looking at this saying i guess no american pope. ray flynn joins us. on that short list of possible american cardinals, sean o'malley of the archdiocese of boston and that didn't happen, embassador. do you think because in his case he came in to clean up post abuse scandals and financial irregularities, sold his own residence to raise money, do you think that whole issue hurt the three or four americans or -- three, more to the point, who might have been considered for the papacy? >> i've made a couple of
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predictions, i predicted soon there would be an american pope. i also predicted that there would be a latin american pope. a pope from after a those are the growing areas of the catholic church. in my book i just have to add the word latin, then ray flynn was right. but you know, it's -- by the way, i want to pick up on something. don't underestimate what it man in his 70s can do. >> neil: i hear you. look, the closer i get, the less i mock. >> i walk eight miles a day, so i resent that comment. >> neil: you're absolutely right, sir. but you know that does -- i got to be very honest, that was the first thing that hit me when i heard about his -- his being chosen and i remembered that last time, how close he came, according to reports. but then he was chosen this time.
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i'm thinking 76. you and i know over the years popes who have chosen and their age being considered, maybe they would play an interim role. conventional wisdom, as you know, the church has a loss of mess on its hands, you need somebody to clean house, clean up, and then set the stage for the next guy. >> well, i'll tell you what i like about this appointment, this election, one, it's a great tribute to the latin american catholic community across the world. particularly in latin america but also the united states. it's a great tribute, a great honor for them and their family who have been loyal to the catholic church over many, many years. and in the devotion they have, it's extraordinary. and also, the -- the philosophy he brings to the table. you know, he's nobody's -- nobody owns him.
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so he is a real outsider, he's not we had had to -- wedded to courier policies and bureaucracy. he's an outsider coming in to reform the system. i bet you a dollar to a doughnut, that's what the college of cardinals were thinking, bringing in an outsider who can really clean up the bureaucracy and deal with those systemic problems that embarrassed the church worldwide. >> neil: he was chosen on the fifth vote. we know in 1978 with cardinal -- pope john paul ii is the italian contenders split up and he kind of moved up in the middle and emerged as the first nonitalian in better than 500 years. we won't know for a while, if ever, how this transpired. but maybe it wasn't as orderly
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as you laid out. maybe it was sort of like -- i don't want to call it an accident butten unusual confluence of events. >> you could call it an accident because that's the name of my book. the accidental pope. think about what outsiders have done coming into the church. the impact they've had on the world. look at john paul ii. he came in in 1978 after really -- then led the effort for the eradication of communism in pole land and across the world. he's liberated to do with a he he -- what he wants, to do what he thinks is in the best interest of the church. even though he's 76 years of age, that doesn't mean he can't be a reformer. he can because he's not obligated or wedded to any special interest group when the curia, within rome. he actually can act
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independently. take my word for it, being a smart, observant politician is as important as being a spiritual leader. to be a smart politician, you have to have independence. you can't be obligated to a party, a democratic or conservative party as in the united states, you have to act independently and do what is in the best interest of the common good. i think that's what francis i has because he is coming from a place that's not part of european interest decision, he's -- tradition, he's not part of the italian tradition, he's his own person with his own set of rules and standards. without compromising the traditional values of the catholic faith. >> neil: you're not exactly perfect with your predictions. >> did you ever see me play? >> i. >> neil: i do remember your predictions about the boston red
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sox. let's just say -- you were great. i appreciate it. >> good to talk to you. >> i do want to stress to our older viewers, myself included, 76 really is the new 56. so we'll keep an eye on that. we're talking about this and a lot of noncatholics keep emailing me saying is this a catholic obsession thing? there are a few billion others who are not catholic and we live in a world where this is not an obsession. you're right in this respect. church attendance is down pretty much across all denominations. why is that? what's happening in this increasingly secular world where a lot of us are intimidated to mention god or pray at all. how a 76-year-old man who, until now, few in the world new or understood. how does he change that? here's betting whether you are a catholic, muslim, protestant,
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st. patrick's. he's still a young man. he dismissed his own chances but what's the mood there? >> a lot of new yorkers were hopeful. even though the archbishop of new york, timothy dolan, was not one of the top possible front runners, boston preceded him, he was spoken of as being a humble man but catholics of new york city are very excited. there's a huge population of catholics in new york city but also a huge populations of tourists. we spoke with argentinaians in their glory. people from latin america speaking about how italy is giving an opportunity of reaching out to other countries such as latin america. i'm speaking with a man named jim, visiting the vatican and you're here on a historic day. >> here's my souvenir. i have a seal of the pope right
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on my head. >> you were just there. >> yeah. a few months ago. we saw benedict xvi at the window and waved but i was targeted by -- startled by the choice, a man from latin america. the simplicity of him coming out without the red velvet cape and gold cross, the first thing he did was ask the people to bless him. >> wasn't that amazing? this pope has been revered as being a humble pope and the fact he asked parishioners to pray for him, and there was silence like never heard before in rome at the vatican. >> he bowed his head and you could tell there was a huge change in the church. the fact that he chose the name of francis and no pope had done that before, that signals a huge sea change in the universality
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of the church. >> the name represents humility and that's the name we've heard since his announcement. he's described as a humble man working for the people, not for the politics behind the church which has turned into a huge controversy for the bank of the vatican and for the controversy that's been brewing for years regarding the sex scandals. it seems this is going to unite not only catholics but possibly catholics with other religions. >> i agree. you could -- first of all he has a lot to deal with but he looks like, through his simplicitity and humility, he brings people together. >> last year he went and washed and kissed the feet of aids
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patients. that takes extraordinary man. >> thank you very much for talking with us. i want to talk to someone from argentina. you are from argentina and you happen to be here in new york city. when you discovered is pope was chosen from your homeland, how does that make you feel? >> it was difficult to believe at first. i was working and somebody said there was a -- something about the pope. they said you're he's from argentina, your country. >> do you know know much about this man? >> we know because we're from argentina. he was a good -- he's a good person. and now he has a really difficult position. he needs to show the rest of the world a person from south america is capable to refresh the faith of the catholic people. >> thank you very much and welcome to new york city.
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now you'll are at the forefront of the world. thank you very much. >> thank you. >> that's going to do it for now. back to you guys. >> all right. julie, if you don't mind my indulging is personal matter, my parents got married at that cathedral more than 60 years ago. >> i mentioned the notion that this is more than a significant development for catholics. we forget that the pope, for good or ill, becomes a lightening rod for attention and/or criticism taking the position he often does on issues that might be running against the secular grain in our increasingly secular world. what do you make of that and do you look at this pope any differently than you have prior popes? >> yes, i'm really excited,
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neil. look, i have to admit a certain personal prejudice and preference for my dear friend, father tom heartman, who is now ill. when he was well, it was my dearest fantasy, hope, that some day he would be the pope and even though i knew that was impossible, i thought, gee, that would be great because we had agreed privately, secretly, that the name he would pick would be pope john paul george ringo. >> neil: people forget -- >> it has a ring i wouldn't people forget you and the good father used to be the god squad and talk about ways of uniting our common, faithful bond. but there's a lot -- >> you're very kind. >> there's fresh pressure on this fellow on his role of uniting a church in a religious world that doesn't attend religious service in the numbers
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that it used to. that's a challenge for almost any denomination, right? >> but it's an important role. more than important, it's crucial. john paul ii was clearly the most dynamic and important religious leader in the world when he was leading the church. now i think by common consent, it would be the dahlia llama, the great spiritual leader in the world. a friend but towering figure. i believe this pope, with his modest city, his intelligence, his moral fiber, can be an important moral force in the world. it's important for people who share traditional morality to have it represented by a person who isn't cruel, who isn't unfeeling, and who has reached his conclusions about the good
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and the right as a result of love for people and not as a result of some ideological fanaticism. i think that simple goodness, more than any other strategic move the pope could make, will influence the entire world. now, i can tell you that even in these brief minutes since he's been elected, i've tried to check with my friends about his role in argentina. there was, of course, a terrible bombing in '94 of the jewish center there. it was before he came, neil. but what i discovered is last year, they had a large memorial service for cristalna, the night of broken glass in 1938 when many synagogues were burned in germany and he was, according to
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all the reports i received, one of the driving forces of this commemoration, his love and respect for his spiritual cousins, for the jewish people, apparently is deep in his soul. so i'm excited about that as well. but i think more than anything, the idea of a pope who rides the bus. >> neil: yeah, i don't know if he can do that. by the way. no offense but he's going to be late if that's his option. just saying, he's going to be very late. >> you've got a point. >> neil: rabbi, i was talking about this great secular wind that's at our back now and many argue that, for anyone religious, increasingly you're made to feel uncomfortable mentioning god. you're made to feel uncomfortable having different views on what it popular social
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more rays and a pope has to, as do rabbis, stand in contrast to the prevailing trend. when you speak to your own congregation, when anyone of any influence speaks to his congregation, that's a tough sell, right? i know this is now the norm in our society. this is now what's accepted. but there is another mission. that's a tough sell. >> i don't think it's a tough sell -- it's a tough sell on some levels, but if you ask people to prayerfully reflect on the question, are we just material beings? or is there something more? then i think their national
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spiritualty surfaces. >> rabbi, thank you very much. mark gelman, incredible speaker. gifted writer. bill donahue is back with us. we're hearing -- any discussion concerning the new pope is getting 130 million tweets per minute. it's broken all tweet records for the olympics, for the inauguration of the president, for anything. this guy's starting in a big way. >> and he has big shoes to fill. pope benedict xvi did a great job but this is a new moment. an order priest choosing the name francis, a man who is on the liberal side perhaps dealing with socioeconomic issues, conservative on moral issues. it's a great moment, 35% of the catholics in the country are hispanic. it's a great day.

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