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>> steve: have a great weekend, everybody. join him and anna tomorrow. >> gretchen: and alisyn and tucker. got breaking news. first off, reports of a u.s. military plane crashing in kyrgyzstan. the pentagon is not confirming a crash but we're hearing from sources that contact was lost with a kc-135 aircraft. the plane reportedly breaking into three pieces. rescue teams called to the scene. no word of survivors. that country host as key base used for our troops moving in and out of the war in afghanistan. more breaking news. new numbers for the month of april on the economy. employers adding 167,000 jobs. unemployment rate ticks down a notch to 7.5%. that is a rate we have not seen now in about four years. there is a lot to go through in these numbers too.
welcome to friday. i'm bill hemmer, welcome to "america's newsroom". martha: good morning, i'm martha maccallum. the numbers do look encouraging. we still have a long way to go to make up for all the jobs lost in the great recession. a lot of folks have given up for work but looks like a pretty good number. bill: unemployed is the number you key on. stuart varney, fox business network. good morning to you. size it up, stuart. >> first point is we're still two.5 million jobs short of where we were in 2007. but today's report you have to call it solid. these are better numbers. unemployment rate down, 165, 167,000 new jobs create in one month. those are better numbers, bill. bill: the labor department is saying hiring was much stronger in the previous two months than first thought. that is a big deal. >> that is true and it is a big deal. in the month of february we created 332,000 jobs, far
more than first reported. remember last month in march we had the dismal only 88,000 jobs? that was been revised up to 138,000. so the revisions are big and solid. bill: what about this labor participation rate? what does that mean and where does that stand? >> that the proportion of people of working age who are actually working and it stayed at that very low level of 63.3%. so it stayed way down here. the point is, no dropouts this month. people did not leave the labor force. in fact they moved back into it, 210,000 people now back into the labor force. bill: that would be a note of confidence as well. the stock market, shall we glance at the 401(k) over the weekend or what happens today. >> figure out the password, look out and you will go up today. the dow will start out with 100 point gain. you may, may touch 15,000 on the dow. bill: really? we've never been to 15,000.
>> never. uncharted territory. bill: overall you rate the number? >> solid. bill: on scale of 1 to 10 where would you put it? >> six. bill: better than a five. >> yes. bill: see you at 9:20 on fbn. martha: solid with security varney. got to remember that. let's head out to california now because firefighters in the southern part of the state are battling to save homes right now. they're trying to contain the out of control wildfires. this is the seen in camarillo. the fires topped a ridge and reached the pacific coast highway. 2,000 homes are in the danger area. 25 already suffered damage. fire officials are dealing with a troubled combination of weather conditions out there. listen. >> we're kind of working our way into a drought here in southern california. field moss first are up to the -- moistures up to levels in july. we're having santa ana events in may, an event like this hasn't happened in my career. we have sundowners but santa
anas are very different. we may look at a very significant fire season. martha: only about 10% contained at this point and it is still growing right now. we're going to get a live report from that scene. we'll take you there later in the show. bill: need some moisture in colorado out there in california now. a controversial plan that could put some california inmates on the front lines fighting those fires. the plan would speed up release of prisoners who become firefighters, even some convicted of violent crimes. this is one part of this larger measure aimed at dealing with california's overcrowded prisons. the governor,, filed the plan under protest and warned that it undermines public safety. we'll watch to see if that happens. martha: let's get to boston now. the latest developments there in the bombing investigation. this as we're waiting to learn that cause of death for tamerlan tsarnaev. we expect we may learn that as early as this morning. his body we are told has been moved out of the medical examiner's office and went at least for a time last evening to a funeral home. peter doocy is live in boston.
peter, a lot of discussion about this body, where it is now and where it will be buried. >> reporter: and, martha, we just are learning in the last few minutes that the tsarnaev family wants tamerlan, the suspected boston bomber, he is accused icing a weapons of mass destruction to kill americans, they want him buried somewhere in boston. we don't know if that is possibility but that is what the family wants. we don't know a little bit of a mystery where his body is and here's why. yesterday 5:30, a funeral homeworking for the tsarnaev family finally went and claimed the body at the medical examiner's office and we watched as the hearse made the trip from the medical exam uper's office to where the body only stayed four hours. at 10:30 that same hearse left the funeral home with a police escort. the funeral home in north attleboro won't tell us
where it is going. they're not doing the final arrangements so their job is done. there might be anger at the community directed at funeral home. locals spoke to the sun chronicle newspapers about their discuss that a tsarnaev was brought into their neighborhood, martha. martha: imagine if they try to have him buried in boston. there will be a lot of backlash i would imagine if that turns out to be plan. peter, we're also learning more about the boston marathon in particular. why that became the target ultimately for them? >> reporter: right. as the tsarnaev brothers were building their bombs they apparently had a timeline in their head how long it would take until they were ready to carry out an attack. but they finished building the device as lot faster than they planned. at least that is what dzhokar told authorities. national security sources say the finish line here in boston on boylston street was a target of opportunity. sources also say that investigators believe those pressure cooker bombs that were built faster than the
tsarnaev brothers wanted were likely constructed in tamerlan's house. back to you. martha: incredible new details here. peter, thank you very much. bill: fox news learning that a special panel put together to investigate the benghazi terror attack is now under investigation itself. there is concern over whether or not the panel failed to interview key witnesses in that attack that killed four americans including our ambassador. chief washington correspondent james rosen tracking this story every day for us this week and, james, good morning there. question, the state department is pushing back against our report that the inspector general's office is probing its own department's benghazi review. now why is that significant, james? >> reporter: well, because we care about the facts but no one has disputed, bill, that the conduct and methodology of the arb that was established after benghazi is itself being reviewed by the department's own inspector general. arb is short for accountability review board. the benghazi arb was led by
former u.n. ambassador thomas pickering at screen right there and former chairman. joint chiefs of staff screen left, admiral mike mullen. the obama administration calls their final report comprehensive and credible. lawyers for two career state department employees who are set to appear before congress call the report, a quote, cover-up. this is simply false shot backpack trim ventril telling fox news in a statement. office the inspect general is not investigating benghazi review panel, but conducting review of the arb process going back two decades covering the 18 arbs convened since the statute was passed. >> the hoist apparently next week will have a hearing on this and i hope that clears up some of these questions but one thing i would like to mention, i am hearing from the families of these people, these four brave americans who were killed and i can assure you they are not happy and they do deserve answers. >> reporter: the state department was formally
notified about the ig review of the benghazi arb on march 28th. bill: so the administration claims it is cooperating with congress, is that the case? >> reporter: that's right bill. secretary of state kerry said in order to demyth thol guise and depoliticize benghazi he tasked his right-hand man with setting with house republicans all-out standing evidentiary demands on benghazi. >> my chief of staff, david wade was in with them forthwith and has been in touch with them and we're prepared to work openly and accountably to answer any questions. >> [inaudible]. >> communication between the hill and secretary's chief of staff continues. congressional correspondents continues in terms of this specific hearing, no we haven't been in contact. nobody in the department. >> reporter: that congressional hearing is set for wednesday, may 8th, bill. bill: we shall be there. james rosen on live on the story in washington. 10 minutes past the hour.
martha? martha: the white house is denying that benghazi survivors sought clearance to testify what they saw. you heard a lot about that over the last several days. victoria toensing who represents one of those whistle-blower government employees is going to be here. she will tell us what she thinks about the state department basically calling her a liar. bill: a chilling new report claiming that north korea's threat of a possible nuclear attack is more immediate than ever. are we inching closer now to a dangerous conflict? details on that. martha: we heard about this oscar winner's disorderly conduct arrest. oh, boy. now the dash-cam video is out. >> any question i want to ask. >> go ahead. >> you better not arrest me. >> yes, ma'am. >> are you kidding me? >> no. >> i'm an american citizen. >> i told you to get in the car and stay there. >> i'm now being arrested and handcuffed? >> yes. >> do you know my name? people join angie's list for all kinds of reasons.
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inside terminal b as houston's bush intercontinental airport. police don't know whether the man who opened fire in the ticketing area died from a self-inflicted gunshot wound or killed by the homeland security agent who confronted and fired at him. they will do an autopsy set for today. the terminal is fully reopened this morning. bill: new numbers are in. take a quick check of those. employers adding about 165,000 jobs in april. unemployment is 7.5% which is a tick downward. my next guest argues that would be much lower if you removed obamacare from the books. republican senator john barrasso with me in studio this morning. good morning to you. >> thank you. bill: reaction to the 7.5%? >> it is an improvement but not impressive. this is not what a robust recovery should look like. i believe the obama health care law is hurting jobs and care and paychecks because of the rules and regulations part of that. bill: explain that. take what are the rules that you think effects this that you would like to see
changed. >> for one is, anyone who is working full-time, which is defined as over 30 hours, has to get benefits if they in terms of where they're working. if they're under 30 hours, they don't have to, the though don't have to be provided with the insurance which is very expensive government mandated insurance. so what we're seeing is companies as well as cities saying we're, all of our part-time workers we're going to keep you under 30 hours. we'll be very careful about it. which is going to cut the amount of money people can take home. what we're seeing in today's numbers, there are about a quarter million more people who are working part time, who want full-time work but are being held down and i believe it is this 30-hour rule on the obama health care law. bill: the effect of that your incomes don't rise? >> incomes are going down. bill: middle class stays stuck? >> the other component is, for any business and, the small businesses are the ones that drive our economy, and any business that grows above 50 employees has to
provide this very expensive government-mandated insurance. it may not even be what people want or is good for them or need or can afford and businesses are saying, i'm not going to grow. i will keep my numbers under 50 or have more people part time rather than full time. so that is hurting employment. bill: you put out a statement i think it was late yesterday about the regal movie theater. what is it about this company and what are they doing that reflects the argument you're making? >> they sent a letter to all of their employees. they're saying we'll cut everyone to part time and under 30 hours. and now the city of long beach, california, did the same thing with their 1600 part-time employees. they're saying we'll keep all of you under 30 hours because we can't afford the expensive mandates of president's obama health care law. bill: because the profits are going to cut into the company? >> it is, yeah. millions and millions of dollars that would be, that, and, i think it is going to hugely impact not just people's care but also their paychecks. bill: look, i don't know
what's going to change here because you heard the president's press conference on tuesday. he is clearly not going to buy into your argument? >> well i don't even know if he is aware of these things. you know, you listen to him saying for 90% of the americans everything is fine. but even the congressional budget office says eight million americans who have health insurance will be thrown off of it. health insurance costs are going up, 25 to 30% across the country. the cost of care has gone up. and, we hear of businesses and not just me, the federal reserve, last two months of reports said people are holding back on hiring and it is because of the health care law. bill: the feds said that the? >> the feds said that in the beige book which is report from all different regions of the country that report in. it was in the march and april fed report. bill: did the fed make a recommendations like you are today how to get around it? >> they i did not. they're reporting on and recording what they're
seeing and they report to the president and to others but the president doesn't want to seem to act on this. bill: meantime, one more point, gdp is growing 2.5%. where should that number be? >> it should be a lot higher. we need growth. that's what we need for this country. we need robust growth over 3%. we need the economy going to have more people working, more taxpayers, not raising tax rates on those that are working but have more people working. we could do it if not for this drag, this anchor of the president's health care laws. one of the unions that supported actually come out and called for its repeal. bill: chris van hollen is democrat, as you know. he is a counterpart in a manner of speaking. he will come on next hour and react to all this too. senator, thank you for your time. >> thanks for having me. bill: john barrasso, republican from wyoming here in new york. 19 past here's martha. martha: we have brand new developments to an american citizen sentenced to 15 years of hard labor in north korea. how far is the obama administration willing to go to demand his release? bill: three weeks on the
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bill: just what you don't want to hear right before the start of summer travel season. the cost of flying will go higher for you. delta following us airways and continentaising its fee to change a book to flight reservation from 150 bucks to $200. southwest airlines by the way, does not charge a change fee. average price of a one-way airline ticket up a third since 2008.
if you fly frontier airlines, $25 you pay for the carry-on goes to 100 bucks to you wait to pay at gate. frontier will charge you for coffee and soda to do which is difficult to bring on board. martha: peanuts, everything. we have a chilling new report from the pentagon today that says that north korea is, in spite of international pressure, working forward on work on a nuclear weapon that could possibly strike the united states. the big question, now, how close are they to building a long range nuclear warhead that could threaten us here at home? joined by the defense editor of "daily telegraph" in london. welcome back to the program. good to have you with us. >> pleasure to be with you, martha. martha: what do you make of this pentagon report? >> that is quite alarming, really. we know for a fact that north korea already has medium-range missiles. the suggestion that they could have a long-range
missile capability plus the fact they're already well ahead with their nuclear weapons program, this is really alarming. it also, to my mind has echoes what the iranians are up to. they're engaged in a similar track. they're developing nuclear capabilities that they're developing missile capabilities and if you can marry the two together then you've got a really significant threat. martha: you know, i mean are we looking at basically a changing dynamic? you talk about a game-changer. we talked about game-changers in syria. how close are they to actually accomplishing this? i read this morning about a space launch vehicle but have it through entry but not reentry which would bring it down in another far away location, for example, western europe or the united states. how good is our intelligence i guess is the operative question there? >> well, this is probably, with iran this is the most difficult intelligence challenge of the modern age
because it is a closed country. we pick up snippets of information. it is difficult to know whether some of this is just propaganda with the regime trying to pick itself up, make it more powerful than it actually is. but, you know, the thing is, we do know certain things about the north koreans. what we do know, is that they have a nuclear program aimed at producing nuclear weapons. we do know they have got a missile program. whether they have got the technical ability to marry these two, this is the big intelligence question. martha: let's talk about kenneth bae. he is said to be a christian, a tour operator. he was working in china. occasionally crossing over the border into north korea. word he was feeding orphans in north korea according to one the reports that is out there. now in custody and sentenced to 15 years hard labor. how does all of this figure into this equation and what do you think the united states government might be willing to do about it? >> well, first of all, i
think this is yet another example of the north koreans grandstanding, saying, basically, you meddle in our affairs at your peril. and although this gentleman is half south korean and half-american, the fact that he has got some kind of an american citizenship is basically, something that the north koreans can play with. and i think the americans are in a very difficult position with this one because the bigger picture is far more important than this poor guy that has been given hard labor for 15 years. but it is almost like a hostage crisis situation. they're basically saying we've got him and this is what happens to people that try and meddle in north korea. martha: what do they hope to gain from it though? you know, i mean what do they get out of it, if they don't use him as a bargaining chip, perhaps they're looking for more aid. we've seen that game played in the past. is that something that might free this man? or will we see a high level
u.s. official going over there? hard to imagine that in the middle of all this. >> there is always a possibility somebody like jimmy carter might go on one of his fainted -- fated missions to secure his release. what the north koreans really want for the united states and the rest of the western alliance to drop pressure on north korea that has been building up over the last couple of years. and this would be a bargaining trip. this is very difficult to rationalize a regime that is so dictatorial and irrational as the north korean regime. martha: frightening. con, thank you very much. good to see you. >> pleasure, martha. bill: 28 minutes past the hour. we're learning more about boston. the fallout continues yet again. what we're learning about the bombs found inside the suspect's home? and what this says about the level of sophistication. we'll get into that detail in a moment. martha: one. lawyers for the whistle-blowers in the benghazi consulate attack is saying that the state
department is accusing her about lying what the whistle-blowers are telling her. she gets to respond here on "america's newsroom" as congress gets set to hold hearings later next week. >> people are being bullied or threatened, we don't know if it is true or false. i'm not saying it is true but i am saying it is an argument for a select committee in congress to investigate all of this, get to the bottom of it and get it resolved.
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bill: the sun is just coming up in california and these are amazing pictures of a story that we're going to cover throughout the day. these fires have only gotten bigger overnight. 6:30 local time there now. we told you about ones burning in southern california. we're hearing california state university, that is 50 miles west of l.a., it is being evacuated. that fire topped a ridge reaching the pacific coast highway. about 2000 homes said to be in danger. about 25 already suffering damage. crews are, they're worried about the windy and hot weather out there. they're worried about dry conditions. screen right is where william la jeunesse is. you see fires in the background. we'll talk to william in 25 minutes. we'll take his camera live and tell you what you need to know as daybreaks in a really tough day for folks in southern california. martha: let's go back to the bombing investigation going on now in boston because we have some brand new details on this authorities now say that they believe that the
tsarnaev brothers assembled at least four types of devices in the home of tamerlan tsarnaev that he shared with his wife. and a national security source tells fox news that the boston marathon was chosen, as a quote, a target of opportunity after dzhokar told investigators that the bombs came together a little more quickly than they had expected. we're joined by bill gavin, former chief executive for the fbi in new york, miami, and denver and president of guardsmark security services. good morning. a lot of new information in this case. >> good morning, martha. martha: what do you make of the significance -- dzhokar is talking, that much we know because he is sharing a lot of new details. some of which was that they made the bombs, that his house, his older brother tamerlan shared with his wife. the significance of that? >> i think what they will have to do, martha is try to determine what the wife knew of course about what was going on in her home regarding the making of those bombs. i don't know how long, what
the time frame was between her moving out of the home and the niche shun of the making the bombs. so it is very difficult to say she knew. but she had a conversation with him after the event, after the bombing of the marathon and she had conversations with him beforehand. she lived with him. she saw his change in attitude. she has got some explaining to do or at least some very difficult questions to answer. martha: there is a picture of her on our screen right now. she was a home health aide out working. he was supposedly a stay-at-home dad. now we know what he was working on while she was out at work according to these reports. what about the timeline issues? the reports are they wanted to do this on the 4th of july in boston but they accelerated right through the program and said, boy, we have these things ready to go. how about patriots' day? they drove around boston looking for a good spot. chose that finish line. this shows tremendous amount on both brothers, i would think, bill of premeditation.
>> there is no doubt about it, martha. of course you have one deceased and one has to face trial but the younger brother is going to get significant time in jail. he will spend the rest of his life in jail. only way he will avoid the death penalty is to fully cooperate with authorities and tell them exactly what happened. i also believe that in the recovery of that computer, that they. fbi now has, that is a treasure trove of information. that will track everything he has done and maybe his brother used the same computer that to do the things that needed to be done. that is all in the future. we'll hear about that i suspect as time goes on. martha: bill, you've been in on a lot of these types of interrogations and going through what we learned, initially dzhokhar was saying i only got in on this, i only known about this a couple of weeks. my brother brought me into this whole plan. perhaps he is starting to understand his only chance at sort of modifying his sentence would be to save his life and maybe that's what is making him come
forward with all of these new details which show that clearly he was on board for quite some time, right? >> i think you're absolutely right, martha. this wasn't a two-week involvement with him in had whole case, that all of sudden he knew how to make a bomb. he talked about how he knew how to make a bomb quite some time before the whole incident to his friends. so he's got a lot of explaining to do. bottom line is, he is only doing this to save himself from government putting a needle in his arm. that is the basic event right here right now. martha: what ununbelievable tale he is telling right now. bill gavin, thanks very much, bill. see you soon. >> thanks, martha. bill: new dash-cam video shows the arrest of the hollywood superstar reese witherspoon and her husband in her own words during her dust-up with a no-nonsense georgia state trooper back in april. we've all seen the dash-cam video. so has julie banderas live
in the new york city newsroom. you have the "fox 411." what is up with that? >> seems we can't get enough of watching these celebrities pretty much embarass themselves in front of a national audience. reese witherspoon's embarrassment continues to play out. the hollywood actress best known playing a loveable girl next door playing a much different role in front after police dash-cam and it ain't pretty. this video obtained by "tmz". she talks to the georgia state trooper who pulled her husband over for dui five times while he was trying to conduct a field sobriety test. >> here is the question i want to ask. >> come on. >> you better not arrest me. are you kidding me? >> no. i told -- >> i'm an american citizen. >> i told you to get the in car and stay in there, didn't i? >> this is beyond, this is beyond. >> you fight with me i promise you -- >> this is harrassment. you're harassing me as american citizen. i have done nothing against the law. >> well she is proud to be an american, we can say
that. that act by the way landed both witherspoon and hollywood agent husband jim toth in handcuffs. she since apologized and saying she is very sorry and embarass as well. she should be. anyway, lindsay lohan not feeling too much embarassment. she has done it again and not refering to a britney spears song. she first checked herself into california rehab facility not licensed to perform rehab treatment instead after court approved rehab in new york. according to dmz she ditched rehab all together and her lawyer who appeared yesterday on her behalf. the hearing is set for july 31st completion of a 90-day rehab program. wherever lindsay decides to complete rehab she will be well-dressed. on tuesday she posted a inat that gram photo, said 90 days and 270 looks. at that rate i did the math, three costume changes per day. bill: three meals. how do i look now? wait until you see me at lunch.
>> oh, yeah. bill: thank you, julie anirvan banerji. martha: something to look forward to, right? look at the dow. that is something to look forward to this morning and it is up as stuart varney predicted it would be this morning. 142 points right now. could it close as stuart predicted might above 15,000? you've got an intraday high of 14 house, 834. we have blown through that number -- 14,834. we've blown through that number and a lot of measures of dow industrials are moving higher. everybody is enthusiastic about the number and what it might be. we're off to the races ahead of the kentucky derby this morning. bill: who is your horse? martha: i don't know. verrazano. you like that one? we'll go with that. bill: we just mentioned this a moment ago. we're live on the fire line threatening hundreds of homes in california. we have a big battle in very difficult conditions. we'll take you live. william la jeunesse is
standing near that at the moment. martha: how is this for hard ball? one. lawyers for the benghazi whistle-blowers, the state department says she is lying. you don't want to miss this. on "america's newsroom." we'll be right back. >> he is not briefed or should have been involved more in it because it is a little embarrassing when a president of the united states says something that really isn't very logical. [ male announcer ] what?! investors could lose tens of thousands of dollars in hidden fees on their 401(k)s?! go to e-trade and roll over your old 401(k)s to a new e-trade retirement account. none of them charge annual fees and all of them offer low cost investments. e-trade. less for us. more for you. i'my body doesn't work the way it used to. past mprime? i'm a victim of a slowing metabolism? i don't think so. new great grains protein blend. protein from natural ingredients like seeds and nuts. it helps support a healthy metabolism. new great grains protein blend.
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bill: we are only days away from major headlines, committee hearings into benghazi. what will we learn then? that is a significant question today. one attorney's attempt to get clearance for her client to testify turned into a war of word all throughout the week with the state department. have a listen here from the briefing. >> now she has been in touch with us directly to go about the normal procedures. >> she said she was lying? >> i'm saying she is making false statements that were unfounded -- >> making false statements is lying, isn't it? >> we think that -- >> right. >> false statements are lying, matt. we have somebody on national television saying we were blocking them from getting security clearance. >> is that appropriate behavior? >> we think it was unfounded to go on tv i'm not getting security clearance i'm being blocked when she hadn't picked up phone to call us. bill: from the state department yesterday. here is respond, victoria toensing representing one. state department employees the person in question for the question and answer. welcome back to "america's newsroom". >> welcome, bill. bill: i know you're offended
by the whole lying charge and i think back and forth is significant in washington. it is my sense though what the american people want to know is, what your client is willing to say about what happened in benghazi, that night? and we're going to have these hearings at mid-week next week and how far is your client willing to go at that point? >> my client will tell everything my client knows in that hearing. i'm not going to talk about it ahead of time at all and so, but i do want to address what mr. ven trel did. the american people. mr. vent tell is making up stuff all week attacking credibility. makes up a statement that i said it and i never said it because that statement is false she is lying. he first did this on april 30th. he loads to press corps. he misled the press corps by doing it. he said we are not aware of any employee coming forward, any employee coming forward
asking for security clearance when he well knew he had two letters the at state of chairman darrell issa requesting a process, a process for lawyers to be cleared. and he then pretended like, i was saying that an employee come forward. bill: this is spokesperson for the u.s. department of state. he is not in some back room in washington, d.c. he is spokesperson. but what you're saying he is, sorry, defined employee. he did not define a member of congress? >> a member of congress --. bill: is that the distinct you're making? >> yeah, misleading press corps playing a cute game, straw man argument no employee come forrd when he full well know issa was asking two weeks, not ignored. not even a phone call. so people understand this is important. joe and i didn't know where to go at state department. neither did the house committee by the way or they would have done it. who would have thought legal employment office where you get clearances? we won't have thought of
that. we don't have the form. the government has to send the form. this guy, mr. ventrell said yesterday and made up a statement i never said and said i was lying. i will tell you this, bill, if secretary kerry has any integrity or class he will demand mr. ventrell apologize to me. bill: have you communicated that with secretary kerry? >> i'm doing it right now. bill: what would you expect to hear from him? >> i want an apology. he made up statements, saying i said them and then he said, well, those are not right statements. there you go. and you know what? here's another interesting thing, may 1st finally sent us the process and said we do this as a matter of routine, joe talked to them because i was still at fox when they finally called, and joe said, i'm here to apply for a clearance for us to represent our clients before congressional hearing. bill: understood. >> this is unusual. bill: joe is your husband so viewers are clear on that. i'm really focused on what
happens next week. >> okay. i'll go there now. bill: you want to think about all the stories that have been out there in the past eight months about benghazi and perhaps many would argue all the stories have not been reported since that time but what will your client add to the wealth of information that is out there already? >> i'm not going to identify my client because to do that before required by law which will happen on sunday. it will happen. bill: i understand. we will know the identity by next week? >> oh, yes. i, my client is to be testifying next week and, my client and the other two witnesses, i believe there is three witnesses. i don't have the final word yet from chairman issa, but they know as a group what happened prior with all the security issues. what happened the night of 9/11, and what happened in the aftermath including retaliation. bill: two specific questions. how many whistle-blowers do you believe there are? >> oh, there are more, let me tell you. bill: is it two, is it six, is it 10, is it 30, is it?
>> bill, you can't do it that way. three people have agreed to come forward and tell what you is happening. we're getting phone calls at our office of people saying, you know i wanted to come forward and i'm afraid and i will wait and see how the hearing goes before i decide what i'm going to do. bill: so the number continues to add up. a whistle-blower is one thing. i'm not here to make them any less sixth from the survivor of the attack last night but in this case is a whistle-blower the same as a survivor inside the city? >> doesn't matter. a whistle-blower is legal kind of term meaning they get certain protections. bill: only because i'm trying to figure out whether they were in-country on it. >> night of september 11th? will you answer that? >> i'm sure you show up wednesday and find out who they are. we'll see you wednesday. bill: we shall. we'll speak with you and also the state department between now and then as well and try to clear a lot of this up. victoria toensing, thank you for your time out of washington, d.c.. >> sure. bill: appreciate you coming
back. here's martha. martha: after months on the stand and gruesome details of stabbing and murder, today after all of that the closing arguments in the jodi arias trial and soon the jury will have this one. a live report coming up. bill: also these raging wildfires. we're live on the front line in a moment here. there were thousands of residents right in the line of these fires and millions more are now on edge. >> they say that they are taking care of all the properties up there and just amazing to see how many fire trucks going up and down and they're doing a good job. we're just hoping everything will be okay. ,
jodi arias trial. she is the young woman accused of brutally killing her ex-boy friend. the lead prosecutor called jody a manipulative liar. up to the defense team and then they will get their turn. the jury is ready to get their hands on it. adam housley is live in los angeles. so her past issues with telling the truth really took center stage yesterday, right, adam? >> reporter: the prosecutor, juan martinez really took his time and methodically went through how he believes she planned to kill her boyfriend travis alexander. how she bought gas tanks and gun disappeared from the grandparents house and happened to be the same caliber coincidentally used in shooting him later on a week or two later. the other interesting point the prosecutor juan martinez would leave certain pictures from the crime scene up and leave them for some time, jodi arias would look the other way. travis alexander's family would look down. they were gruesome photos. we're told by our person in the courtroom and jury
looked at photos intently and listened to martinez all along. look at some of his arguments yesterday in his closing arguments. take a listen. >> absolutely without a shadow of a doubt, she is a liar. this non-stop litany of lies by the department just does not stop. she has lied to various groups of people. she is a chameleon and she will at just to the situation and make up whatever stories are appropriate for her at the time because she is such an ornate liar. just has to add the extras to it to really sell it. how do i love thee? let me count the lies. a little bit of a reference to it but that is not exactly what she said, really, how do i love thee? let me count the lies. we counted three so far in this court, looking at each of you. >> reporter: all showing premeditation. the defense team gets their chance today, martha. but, man, he was good yesterday in the courtroom. martha: boy what a journey this has been.
adam, thank you. we'll be watching. >> reporter: okay. bill: this just in. speaker boehner reacts to today's jobs number. the white house reacting as well. we'll bring it all to you in a matter of moment. >> is the u.s. government considering arming the rebels now in syria and what would that mean for the united states? chris wallace on that just ahead. [gunfire] very logical thinker. (laughs) i'm telling you right now, the girl back at home would absolutely not have taken a zip line in the jungle. (screams) i'm really glad that girl stayed at home. vo: expedia helps 30 million travelers a month find what they're looking for. one traveler at a time. expedia. find yours.
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wildfires continue to rage across california, including this one in convenien ventura county that has burned 10,000 acres along the state's southern coast, forked thousands of people out of their homes and the evacuation of a college campus as well. big news as another hour of "america's newsroom" gets underway. i'm martha maccallum. bill: i'm bill hemmer. a terrible combination. more than 900 firefighters working through the night trying to protect 2,000 homes and businesses, and that is just what we know of at the moment. these panicked residents forced to leave everything behind in their homes. >> we are just praying that everything is going to be okay, but we need to get out. >> it's very scary. it jumped the hill about 20 minutes ago and it just keeps going. >> we've invested a lot in this house, a lot of times and memories and i don't want to lose it. so i'm here until the end, whatever it takes. martha: wow.
awful. look at that. william la jeunesse joins me now in alisyn camerota in camarillo. what is the latest eufrpblts w. >> reporter: we are eight miles north of malibu. 900 firefighters trying to get a handle on this thing. in the last 24 hours it has burned about satisfactory square niles. miles. when we arrived the flames were burning towards us very quickly. the sun same up, the ric rick the santa anas kicked in. and the fire is burning in an entirely different directs. more fires are wind driven. overnight 925 firefighters basically cut containment lines, trying to slow this fire down. some much the areas have not burned for decades. they are very, very dry. you saw 30-foot flames. they've put a containment line with a bulldozer and handcrews
and use basically a backfire or controlled burn. as the fire begins to approach they'll set a fire in front of it, try to burn some of the vegetation so you don't have 30-foot wall of flames hitting a subdivision. this is very, very dry. we have not -- this is basically the third dryist winter on record. the humidity levels yesterday where are 4, 5%, that is like newspaper to a fire, and that's what they are dealing with again today as you mentioned, we shallee expecting 90-degree temperatures, maybe 40-mile an hour santa ana wind. red flag warnings remain in effect until about 5:00pm and it should cool off for the weekend. martha: that sounds like a really bad combination at this point. your heart just breaks for those people so scared as the fire gets closer do their homes. what areas are they most concerned about right now and how confident are they that they can get in there and protect them? >> reporter: one of the problem is in the canyons. you start going up the coastal canyons and the wind bake i can
lee get pressured down and move very, very quickly, much faster and stronger than where i'm at now. in those canyons you have spoe raspoe rad sporadic homes. you have homes in here, that structure protection is very hard because you have the vegetation going right up to the walls of the home. back to you. martha: william thank you. we'll see you later. bill: hoot fox news alert, because the house speaker john boehner now responding to the brand-new jobs numbers. he says there is good news to be found in there but he adds to get things moving we have to seize opportunities the president has been ignoring and focus on growing our economy rather than growing more government. u.s. unemployment rate dropped to 7.6%, lowest level in four years. u.s. economy added about 165,000 jobs in april. and the white house now reacting as well,ed henry on the road
traveling where the president in mexico city today. what is the white house saying there? >> reporter: good to see you, bill. the president's chief economic viciouser normally responds to this. they certainly feel good. awful the numbers you laid out are better than expected. wall street was expect being the job growth to be a little bit lower. things were revised upward for february and march jobs reports as well. alan krueger saying a moment ago kwhaoeut, while more work remains to be done today's employment report provide further evidence that the u.s. economy is continuing to recover from the worst downturn since the great depression. when he says more work needs thob done, one thing he could be referring to is while there is that good news we just noted, in terms much the manufacturing sector, not one single new job was added in manufacturing in the month of april. zero jobs. that is a sign that while there is hope in this report this economy is still not turned around, bill. bill: we are also hearing from some republicans zeroing in on the youth unemployment number, which is still, it is remarkable
on how staggering lehigly high it is. >> reporter: you're right. if you account for the young people unemployed and those simply giving up looking nor work the effective unemployment rate for young people right now his 16.1%, bears i can lee more than double what the national unemployment rate is that you mentioned. reince priebus just put out a statement saying unfortunately he's hardly even talking about jobs these days. the issue didn't get any attention during this week's press conference, not from him, not from the press are, it's no wonder the job situation isn't much better a hundred days into his second term than it was at the start of his first. the white house would push back on the idea that the economy is anywhere near it was when the president came in in january in 2009. them are acknowledging this morning there is more work to be done. bill: with the president in mexico city. thank you,ed. martha: democratic congressman
chris van ha holland, we'll get his reaction to the jobs report. bill: is the economy really improving? send us a tweet. we are online right now. martha: meanwhile the obama administration is weighing a shift in its policy towards syria. now considering given weapons to the rebels who are looked in a bloody standoff with the bashar al-assad regime. defense secretary chuck hagel confirming the possible change during a pentagon news conference. >> you are rethinking the administration is rethinking the position of arming the rebels if. >> yes. martha: there you go. for more on this let's bring in chris wallace anchor of "fox news sunday." chris, good morning to you. >> reporter: i've got to say, pwhart that i like it when a top administration official answers your question in one word. it's unusual. martha: quick answer from chuck hagel. we chose that sound byte because it's to the point and it makes
you stop and say, well what does that mean? where are we headed with this syria situation, chris? >> reporter: look, after the red line was crossed and the president had set this red line and talked about enormous consequences he was getting hammered nor the idea that he was demanding a kind of criminal court chain of custody, and all kinds of evidentiary rules, that you're not going to get on a battlefield. i think the administration felt under some pressure to do do something. direct military involvement, if you're going to start a no-fly zone they have a very sophisticated antiaircraft system. if you try to contain them and secure them you have to put thousands of troops on the ground. the least bad to really unattraction tiff options is to arm the rebels. the concern there of course has been because you have so many islamic jihaddists that are part of the rebel forces opposing the bashar al-assad regime if you
give weapons to the good guys they will end up in the hands of the bad guys. the administration seems to feel, one they've got to do something, two that this is the least objectionable. three, that we've gotten better in identifying which rebels just want to oppose bashar al-assad as opposed to people linked to al-qaida. i also suspect when we give weapons, if we give weapons they will not be things like antiaircraft weapons or antitank weapons that could be used against western forcers at some later date by terrorists be, they'll be things like rifles that would be effective in a civil war but couldn't be used as weapons of terror. martha: the thing has got even so much more complicated since it began and devastating. you have 570, 80,000 people dead in this. overa million revenue geez. there as you a plan quite a while back that leon panetta backed, that hillary clinton backed to give armed assistance to the rebels than the president's critics would say that he's missed the moment here. that the al-qaida involvement is
too intertwined and that it's difficult to pars them out from the rebels who you should be on the side of. >> reporter: you're exactly right. panetta, and hillary clinton, and a number of top -- david petraeus before he had to resign, then cia director they all supported last fall arming the rebels. and the president overruled that. his choice as commander and chief. it does get more complicated now. under this dual situation where the bloodshed continues, as you say, more than 70,000 killed, the civil war has gone on much longer i think than a lot of western sources thought, they thought bashar al-assad would fall by now, that this may be again the least bad of a bunch of really ugly options for the administration, in terms of trying to help the rebels and gain some credibility with that group, if and when bashar al-assad finally falls. martha: we've heard so many times that he was days, weeks from the end of his rule, but he is tenacious and that has been driven. chris, we are looking forward to sunday. what do you have coming up?
>> reporter: healee be focusing a lot on benghazi. a big hearing in the house on wednesday for the fir time some of the whistle-blowers will step forward, some of them have been, they claim, blocked by the state department and the administration from talking. they are finally going to talk to the house oversight committee. we'll be speaking with one of the top members of that committee, congressman jason chaffetz. we'll that you can to john mccain, senator, about benghazi, and syria, all the things we were talking about just now. so, a very chalked full "fox news sunday." and i also -- you won't care about this. but bill will, i have an interview, a sit-down interview with mike tyson. martha: why wouldn't i care about that? mike tyson is fascinating. he's got a one-man show. he really has a fascinating take on how his whole life has turned around. >> reporter: that was a sexist thing for me to say.
i apologize. martha: i'm sensitive because this week i talked about tim tebow at length and everybody completely shocked i was so into it. bill: chris i'm enjoying watching yourself dig yours out of a hole h-frpblts i've got even pretty good at it. bill: see you sunday. thank you, chris. tyson. martha: fascinating. fox told me it was fascinating. i'm looking knowrd to that. bill: federal authorities turning ufrpb the heat on three of the surviving bombing suspect friends. we'll have the former new york city mayor. juliet mayor rudy jiuliani why he says they should be charged as coconspirators. martha: the fda gives access to the morning-after-pill to anybody 15 or over. bill: a soccer referee is in a coma after a player up september with a call punched him in the face. the latest on his condition this morning. >> i guess this guy didn't like it and when he was writing down
bill: the town of sapped dehook is taking another step forward now, this half 20 of its school children, first graders, and six adults at sandy hook elementary school were killed. today the town board meets to that you can about plans for the school building scarred by the violence there. they will either renovate the building or tear it down and rebuild nearby. that eufrs the decision before them now. students have been attending classes nearby in a neighboring town near newtown. martha: president obama weighing in on the food and drug administration's decision to expand access to a morning-after-pill at a news conference in mexico the president saying he is quote, comfortable with the agency's decision to allow 15-year-olds to buy plan b with no prescription, something that critics argue could contribute to sexual activity and some like even to an abortion pill. the president insists that the decision was based on scientific
evidence. watch this. >> that's the fda's decision to make. that is secretary satisfactory bill just's decision to review. i'm confident based on the information right now based on solid scientific evidence for girls 15 and older. martha: it doesn't sit well with a lot of folks but that's where we are right now. joined by julie roginski a former clinton adviser, a fox news contributor and brad blakeman is a former deputy assistant to george w. bush. brad, let me start with you, the president had his say as you just heard. he says he's okay with 15-year-olds being able to buy it over-the-counter. in some cases it would be available right on a retail shelf, if something happens they are active and they want to make sure they are not pregnant they can pop into the local drugstore and pick this up and take it. what do you think? >> this makes no sense at all. you have to be 18 years old to buy a pack of cigarettes, and the president is also
encouraging kreufpl behavior, because in most jurisdictions in america engaging in sexual intercourse at 14, 15 years old is statutory rape. the president is somehow saying in if you engage in that activity, criminal behavior, that is okay because the government is going to provide you the out for your bad decision making. it also strips away parental rights. who is the government to come in and tell parr rights are usurped and that children can make their own decisions, and they also don't have to tell you the bad decisions they make and they have an out for making those bad decisions. parents have a superior interest over the government for the health, save the thee and welfare and what's in the best interest of their children. martha: we had dr. manny alvarez here the other day, julie, and he, you know, has delivered thousands of babies, he's an obstetrician, a gynecologist. he was so upset about this. you know, he said, they are giving them out like candy. he said there are college students who think that this is
the -- that this is contraception, it's what they use, the day after pill in order to, you know, as a matter of course in their lives. does that not trouble you? >> well, you know, if the goal here is to prevent unwanted pregnancy, and the goal here is not to have abortions, or not to have kids at the age of 15 or older delivering babies, you know, this is plan b, shall i mean this is really the best description for it, because we have to be realistic. look i agree with brad, would i rather 15-year-olds not do something that they can't live with for the rest of their lives? of course. we have to be realistic. 15-year-olds and people who are older do have sex and if they do have sex isn't the whole point here to prevent them from getting pregnant? this is the best way to prevent conception. this is not an abortion pill it actually plea vents pregnancy and that's the best thing wii could possibly do to prevent things who actually do go out and have sex from making decision is that would result in a live birth to teenagers, or an
abortion. both of those are options i don't think are ideal. martha: brad, i think some people would quibble with that definition. >> this strips away the moral fabric of our country. it's the government basically being complicit in a criminal act. and also complicit in coming into the houses of america and telling the parents, you're -- we are bringing to bring up your children. we'll be able to provide better for your decisions than the decisions you may make at home. i think it's an outrage but it's the modus operandi of this administration. what they can't get lie legislative they do by administrative law or edict or by executive order and their philosophy is if you don't like it, sue us. and we do. we sue on healthcare, immigration, environmental health policy. this is bad policy not only in law but in the moral values of our country. martha: what is the message in the moral fabric as brad says when the president -- if your 14, 15 years old, you say well
the president says i should be able to have this. >> you're living in a world that doesn't exist. just pwhaugs you don't want kids who are 15, 16-year-olds to have sex you're going to punish them by not providing them with the phrepbs to not ge things not to get pregnant. all the president is doing and all the fda is doing is assuring these kids that if they go out and do it and nobody is advocating they do. if they go out and do this that they don't get pregnant. >> should we decriminalize statutory way up and say if you're 15 go out and have sex as a matter of law? 4. >> first of all statutory rapist if a 15-year-old sleeps with a 25-year-old not if a 15-year-old has sex with a 16-year-old. >> it depends on the jurisdiction. >> it's going on out there. you can bury your head to the sand. people are having sex at the age of 15. >> why should government be
condoning it? >> the government is know the condoning it. if you don't give them the thaols to prevent pregnancy they'll have abortion and pregnancy. martha: it's a big issue, whether or not this condones it, whether it encourages it and i think a lot of people feel that it does, and, julie and brad, thank you very much for being here. we'll see you both soon. boy. bill: you guys are talking about that, check it out, america. 14,988. starting to feel lightheaded. we've never really been at this altitude before have we? are we going to move towards 15,000? is that going to happen today. martha: i'd like it to happen today, for a friday. we'll see. new home sreul home video released as police search for a missing mother who disappeared a week ago. the police chief in this case joins us live. on home repair to healthcare written by people just like you. you want to be sure the money you're about to spend is money well spent. angie's list -- reviews you can trust.
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martha: who out there wants to be the person to put this over 15,000? everybody is watching 14 the 97. it was so close, it was less than a half a point away just moments ago. will it cross 15,000? you talk about the u.s. economy, about the ease with which money has been put into these markets, and the amount that that has propelled so many of these stocks into the stra stratosphere. martha: here we go. and we have a winner, 15,000.22. will it close above there on a friday? i don't know about that. we'll see. look at that, it's nice to look at, right? we'll take that. bill: about 25 minutes past the hour now. we want to turn our attention to michigan. police there, they are stepping up a search for this missing
mother, jessica herringa disappeared while work, the night shift at a gas station. that was late on friday, he shall lee saturday morning. she is seen here in newly released home video before the abduction. her family put this out yesterday. police this week searching a state park after reports of gunshots nearby. chief daniel shaw is with the norton shores michigan police department near grand rapids. share, than that thank you for your time. i know you have your hands full and you're taking a lot of questions from people like us. did the gunshots in the park turn out anything for you? >> no, bill it did not. basically saturday was the start of turkey hunting season in the state of michigan. we believe that the gunshots were related to that. bill: i see. that was basically a dead-end. you have these videos of a silver minivan. how revealing are the videos for you in this investigation? >> well, basically what those videos do is fill in the timeline for us, between the
time of when we believed jessica was abducted, until now, and so every piece of that timeline we can fill in helps us narrow in on the person who abducted her. bill: were there signs of any struggle back at that gas station, chief? >> there was no signs of struggle within the gas station itself, which is why we believe that jessica was abducted. we did collect some evidence on the outside of the building, but -- and we are processing that now. bill: i see, so her purse was left behind, her vehicle was left behind. did you locate a cellphone by chance? >> no, she was not carrying a cellphone at the time. her fiance had that cellphone when she was taken. bill: is the family cooperating? >> very much so. the family has been very helpful in our investigation, providing that video that you just showed, so they've been doing everything they can to help us. bill: chief, we have the -- well the sketch that was put out two days ago was just on our screen a moment ago.
has that helped you at all? >> yes, it has. heights been giving us a lot of names that have been connected to that name and we've been following up on all the tips, tracking down all those people to find out if they had anything to do with the situation at all. they may be a witness, or they may be involved. bill: i see there is an anonymous tip line, it's called the silent observer. and it's on the screen. we have that number on our screen also. why is the and a anytime a tee so information for your investigation? has it helped you, chief? >> well, as far as the tips are concerned people can give their name or they don't have to and they remain anonymous. some people might not feel comfortable coming forward, so, either way, we want people to come forward and give us any information that they have. bill: all right, chief we'll get the word out for you. daniel shaw. let's hope we find her real soon and safe. thank you. >> thank you, me too.
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martha: fox news alert for you now. and it is president obama, he's in mexico addressing students at mexico city's and the anthropology museum this morning. he's expected to stress common bonds between our new countries. the president's remarks are straoefpling live at foxnews.com. -- streaming live at foxnews.com. bill: another fox news alert now this is the headline of the day, the jobs report is out, unemployment down a tick at 7.5%. last hour we talked to republican senator john barrasso of wyoming. i'll bring in the other side. democratic congressman chris van hollen ranking member of the house budget committee. good morning to you and welcome back to "america's newsroom." >> great to be with you. bill: weave heard there the white house and john boehner. what do you think about the jobs
report. >> there is clearly good news in the job reportment we are gaining jobs over 160,000 new jobs. unemployment has ticked down that is good news. but i think there is agreement that we should be doing better. we should be creating more jobs, we are should be producing more economic growth. there is some disagreement as to how we do it. i believe one of the breaks we have on the economy is the continued application of the sequester and that's not just my view, as you know, bill, the nonpartisan independent congressional budget office predicts that if the sequester remains in place that by the end of this year you'll have 750,000 fewer american jobs than you would otherwise. and that just doesn't make sense. bill: i think you put your finger on it. it's the how right now and that is the debate we needed to have. i mentioned senator barrasso, this is how he said we should do it from last hour. have a listen. >> it's an improvement but it's not impressive, it's not what a robust recovery should look like. i believe that the obama healthcare law is hurting jobs,
care, and paychecks because of the rules and the regulations. bill: the how for him is obama care, because he believes these companies, they are putting people from full time to part time, whether it's 49 employees or less, or 29 employees or less, and that's what is holding us back. your response. >> well, bill, i think when we talk about the how, it's important that we point to independent analysis, right? and that's why we have our referee in congress, and it's the nonpartisan congressional budget office. i've seen no analysis from the congressional budget office that suggests that obama care is somehow holding back theeconomy. i've seen lots of analysis from the congress budget office that the sequester is. they say it will reduce economic growth this year by a full one-third. we also know that we have huge struc infrastructure in this country. the american society of civil engineers has given our
infrastructure the lousy grade of a d. we have 13% unemployment in the construction industry according to the recent numbers coming out. why not meet this important national need and also put people back to work, and that's why we procee proposed. bill: i think there is a big debate if you can hang all of that on the sequester. some of these numbers are staggering. zero manufacturing jobs. youth unemployment 16%. the u6 number a combination of the under employed with the unemployed at 13.9%. these are still, big, big numbers that have been high for a very longtime. i'll give you the last word. >> let me be clear. i'm not blaming all of this on the sequester. the issue is when you're in a period of still sluggish growth you should do no harm. according to all these independent groups the sequester is causing some drag. also, we need that investment in our infrastructure, and in addition to eliminating sequester we should make that investment, help people, more people back to work doing
something we all know needs to be done. so at the same time we need to reduce our long-term deficit and we just do it in a way that is more measured but achieves the same deficit reduction as the sequester does but in a very different way. bill: all right, the republican from last hour, the democrat chris van hollen out of maryland this hour. thank you, sir, we'll that you can to you again. >> absolutely. bill: appreciate it. martha: new developments from california this morning in the manhunt for the killer of an 8-year-old girl who was stabbed to death in her own home. now authorities say that a witness who first reported seeing a man running from the girl's home around the time she was killed has now recanted her statement. claudia cowan is live from san francisco on this. this isn't the first step back in this case is it? >> it isn't. three potential leads have fallen through and a week later there is still no suspect in this little girl's murder. police have taken down the road blocks on the street where layla
lived but her house remains an active crime scene, as investigators follow-up on more than 300 tips and analyze several knives found inside. according to investigators layla's 12-year-old brother found his injured sister after coming face-to-face with an intruder. the man was said to be white, or latino, about 6 feet tall with long gray hair wearing dark clothing. no specifics at all about his age. a neighbor said she had seen someone fitting this description running way of away from the house on the day of the attack. on wednesday she refused to help police with a sketch and took her story back. two other leads have also fallen apart. the suspect in the kidnapping attempt of another little girl nearby has been ruled out. and reports of a bloody hitchhiker in the area turned out to go nowhere as well. it's not clear if layla's brother has worked with applies sketch artist. we do know that his account of what happened is still under investigation, and martha, there is still no sketch. martha: boy, it sound like they are nowhere on this.
claudia. any idea why this witness told that story in the first place and then took it back? >> reporter: no idea. a big mystery this morning. aoeurts not clear also if she is in any trouble. in a -p strange twist deputies say they are far from discouraged, take a listen. >> though this may seem like a set back in our investigation it is actually a positive result in that it allows our investigators to narrow the scope of their investigation. >> reporter: and ironically deputies say they think the suspect is still in calaveras county, but they also say they don't believe the public is at any risk. martha. martha: boy, claudia, thank you. we'll talk to you later on that. bill: another question this morning out of boston, could friend of the younger bomber have stopped the murder of police officer sean collier? former new york city mayor rudy guiliani says they should also face charges in collier's murder. america's mayor is here live in a moment in studio in new york
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they were arrested for obstructed being the investigation. our next guest they should also face mow tension alcharges in the murder of the mit police officer, sean collier, just 26 years old when he was gunned down in his car. i am very glad to be joined once again by rudy guiliani, the former mayor of new york city. of course. why do you think they are in some way in complicit. >> here they are the way legal gee. and then i'll tell you morally. they joined a conspiracy to help the two guys flee. that was the whole purpose of getting rid of this stuff was to assist their friends in fleeing. reasonable to assume that if two terrorists who just bombed the city are going to flee they are going to not go down without shooting. in fact one of them says and this is a very, very damaging statement for this conspiracy charge. one of them sailed i never he can expected to see them alive again. what he expected was there was going to be a shootout. there was a shootout, a man
died. under conspiracy law those would be predicate acts in the conspiracy, and you charge conspiracy to free, predicate act, murder of oefser collier. predicate act shooting of another police officer. predicate act kidnapping. we jack it up to a 20 or 30 year charge can and maybe we'll get the truth out of these kids. martha: no signs in the initial round that they have been going that route. >> these are a bunch of creeps not kids. who covers up the bombing of a city out of friendship? nobody. they were covering up out of some kind of ideological connection. martha: their argument will be that they didn't know, that they thought that he looked like their friend, but they didn't know, once they went to the apartment they found this -- i want to look at the individual yore with you for just a second here. the minute that i saw this video when it was released at 5:00 on april 18th i said to myself, will anyone who knows these two people, knows for a fact that there is no getting around it, and when they slowed it down, which they did a million times
that night at 5:00 you could clearly see dzhokhar's face in particular particular, his brother had sunglasses on. if you're familiar with these two people you'd put the brothers together. they know the way they walk, business pack back. >> one of these guys tells them he knows how to make a bomb. a bomb goes out. he looks like the guy. he knows how to make a bomb. you also know in between he cut his hair. now, i don't say these kids have great iq's one of them was having in trouble in school. however even a kid without much much an iq is going to figure out, these are the guys. so this is a deliberate attempt to assist these people in escaping responsibility for one of the worst crimes that has occurred in boston in a hundred years. martha: i think your point about their culpability in san antonio collier's murder is fascinating. >> they can't be charged with murder but they can be charged with conspiracy to aeu advertise in a fleeing that resulted in purchased, kind of like felony murder where guys go in and they rob the bank, the driver is sitting in the car. the guy in the bank kills the
teller. the driver goes to prison for murder, that's felony murder. this is part of the conspiracy. it's embraced in it and it's reasonable to assume that violence would take place, and one of them, and one of them acknowledged that by saying, i'll never see the guy alive. i think this was kind of generous pleading as he opposed to maybe a little tougher pleading put a little more pressure on these guys. martha: they were very familiar with a lot of the pieces of equipment that they found in that backpack. they had shot up fireworks with them at the charles river, knowing that vaseline was something that goes into a bomb. give me some insight into what is happening now with the three suspects. because they all know the conversation that they shared, i don't buy for a minute that they watched a movie while all -- they said they went to his apartment watching a movie, oh, look over there there is a backpack. martha welcome back pack. >> i can't imagine the fbi is big this. klenck dud dees do not assist each other in getting people to flee from bombing a city. that happens because of an
ideological excan. there is some kind of ideological connection here, either through extremist islamic thinking or in some other way. martha: i wonder, you know, each lawyer i would imagine is going to argue, my client, of the three, tried to talk them out of it. my client didn't want any part of this. right? so they are going to be pitting them against each other as they investigate them all individually to try to figure out what is happening. >> not uncommon law enforcement strategy. may have done that once or twice myself. martha: this is why i'm asking you. the theory here, if that's the case you go nor the least culpable. i'm looking ar from the outside. it looks like john robitaill phillops is the least culpable. he fell asleep in the middle of all of this. you want to turn the guys against each other. if cheese charges were more in line when what they should be charged with the pressure on these guys would be enormous.
i've questioned people, you walk in and you start talking about a conspiracy with murder, as part of the predicate act. martha: you could have saved that police officer's life if you had spoken sooner. >> when you're talking about fall stalls statements, obstruction of justice, five years, 8 years, you stick murder in there all of a sudden people become much more willing to cooperate and maybe they start remembering the truth. martha: we'll talk to you again i hope soon mayor guiliani, good to see you as always. bill: got to squeeze them, right, mayor? no question abou >> no question about it and they sure as hell deserve it. bill: jon scott rolling in in the wings, how are you. jon: i'm doing very well on this friday. in southern california they are dealing with a raging wildfire as snow falls on the midwest and flooding playing -gs th playings the dakotas. what is going on with the weather. the dow crosses the 15,000 mark,
we'll get to the closing arguments in the jodi arias trial with our legal panel, and get this a khepl calm used as an antibacterial for 40 years is it about toking to be banned by the fda? the pentagon beefing up our bunker buster bomb arsenal. a mow tension alshow of strength to the iranians. we'll get into that on "happening now." bill: see you there. have a great weekend. there is new fallout after a teach teacher says he whats was fired for having a student look at his bible. now he is taking action against the school. the humble back seat. we believe it can be the most valuable real estate on earth.
bill: there is growing controversy after a substitute teacher said he was fired for letting a student look at the bible. now that thaoefper has filed a complaint against the school. all this happening in new jersey. lauren green is in new york to tell us what happened. >> reporter: he first showed the student the bible, and then he gave it to him as a gift. that's why the substitute teacher khraeufpls ep wa claims he was fired at a middle school in new jersey. it all started when he told a student straggler, the first shall be last and the last shall be first. the student asked him about it. >> he approached me, stopped me and he was inquisitive. he wanted to know, he wanted to know. >> reporter: he tells us he was
fired because he violated the district policy about handing out religious material. he was working alongside the liberty institute has filed an equal opportunity claim. the school district will not comment on the the case because it is a personnel matter. they say regardless of how curious the student is he should not have given him the bible. >> the constitution says schools have to be neutral not hostile but neutral when it comes to religion, and a simple answer for this student would have been, this is from the christian bible, it's from matthew 20 verizo20 verse 16, why don't you ask your parents about getting you a bible. that's what should have been done. he chose not to do that, he chose to distribute the bible himself. >> reporter: his attorney points out the school like hike has bibles and says his client did nothing more than what the
librarian would have done for the student. bill: more to come on this. lauren green here in new york. martha: live pictures now from southern california about 2,000 homes threatened by a fire that has covered 10,000 acres, and only 10% of this is contained right now. high winds, the santa anas kicking up in the canyons. wraoefplee takwe'll take you there live. we'll be back with more in "america's newsroom" on a friday. but no way we're going to let them die. ♪ ameriprise advisors can help keep your dreams alive like they helped millions of others. by listening. planning. working one on one. that's what ameriprise financial does. and that's what they can do with you. that's how ameriprise puts more within reach. ♪
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