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booz allen holding company, down $17 and a half on the day, down %. not going over well on wall street. >> i just don't think it's a very thoughtful way of approaching it. >> i just said, julian, i'm -- >> i don't see -- >> julian -- >> connect the dots. >> julian, i'm telling you, drop the liberal thing and focus on the reality thing. you have one entity after another, going after the american people. you have one system of government, one agency, one department after another, essentially doing the same thing. you can call it -- i'm telling you there's a pattern and you're -- >> i can -- >> i guarantee you, itch george bush was doing it you would be all over it. >> no -- you want me to respond? so, look, you can't conflate all of these issues.
you have to -- they're very different in the case of the irs, the targeting was wrong but never any connection to the white house. in the -- there was no -- no one was criminalizing investigative reporting, number in the justice department ever spoke about prosecuting rosen. that was a midwest to get a subpoena. that is not targeting -- >> i'm not going to get -- >> the white house -- >> julian -- >> i want to talk. >> you're saying nothing and it's offensive. >> why don't we speak about it specifically. no you're ignoring -- [overlapping speakers] >> i'm not playing this game with you. you played the same game -- >> excuse me -- [overlapping speakers] [overlapping speakers] >> i want to go back to you. i want to be very clear on this. cut his damn mic. >> let's just say heated, and
not exactly business as usual on a business show this past weekend. thousands of e-mails have been pouring in to ask, what the heck happened. today it thought it was time to answer them and explain myself to you. welcome everyone. one viewer called it cavuto unleashed. still another, chunky without his chunky monkey, all talking about the same thing. thought it was out of character and over the top. one e-mailed, you're the host, act like it. >> so anybody who disagrees with you, you cut their mic? no, thomas, only this guy. it's hardly a pattern. it takes a lot to get you rattled and today you were and i was glad to see it. john in pebble beach, florida, the worst part is you paid julian to frustrate you. kim e-mails, good thing that julian fellow was on remote. thought you would have lunch for him if he were there in person.
times before these stunning and sweeping assaults on our personal privacy should worry all americans because this not, left or right, this is wrong, and when key house democrats, want hearings on to the nsa invasions it's clear they think something is wrong. and when democratic senators mark udall and dirk durbin talks about government scrutiny that goes beyond the standard, it's clear they think something is very wrong all of these invasions of personal privacy under the guise of protecting us. they're just wrong, and no longer about keeping us safe. this it about keeping us safely under the government's eye and it's clear the government is watching all the time. so i'm not here now, nor was i this weekend to hear anyone trying to protect a president, any president. i wanted to focus on protecting all people because these are not isolated incidents. julian might warn about conflating scandals. i worry about the totality of the scandals. the incidents may differ but the
pattern is disturbingly the same. government awe buying rights by taking away ours. the justice department that spies on reporters. an irs that targets consecutive groups and then conservative donors. the health and human services department that strong-arm companies to promote the new healthcare law. and going after the likes of google and apple and ebay to get ahold of other records, our e-mails. forgot about cluster. does custer ring a bell? to minimize these off as individual incidents, each bear nothing resemblance to each other is amakery of us all. that is why i got angry with julian, who is otherwise a friend. so after repeated attempts to get him to shut up about making this a political decision i simply decided to cut his mic. some of you found that rude but
i thought subjecting you to the same old talking points on what are now systemic assaults on our civil liberties would be ruder. so i did something i never do i lost it. but for good reason. this isn't just a scene my friends or scandals. i have no idea how high up any of this goes, only that it goes and goes and goes, part of a business as usual part ten of assaulting the liberties we have apparently taken for granted. realize what is going on here and whether, triggered by a patriot act, initiated by a republican president, or one put on by spying steroids under a democratic pratt the results are free throwen, spying our e-mails. our friends, families, lives. this is not worth getting hot and bothered, frankly, don't know what it, this is not about some fair and balanced debate on a story because there is no fair and balanced way to debate the core of our liberties.
that's my view. it's my show. either we have them and enjoy them or we do not, and the next time someone reduces it to a left-right thing, you belt i will cut in, and if they refuse to step back when i warn them, you bet, i will cut their mic. >> to privacy attorney larry walters in florida, whoa has handled cases involving everything from constitutional rights-intellectual property rights, commercial civil rights, you name it, and shares his concern you should be concerned with what is happening to america, democrat or republican. what is your biggest worry with this trend, that's pattern? >> my worry is that even this won't be enough for the american people to draw the line. we have put up with so much starting with the adoption of the patriot act, and the warrantless wire taps, and now we see that the broad surveillance, broad interception of private communications is going on. my concern is that maybe this won't even be enough and we'll just stand by. i hope that's not the case but
the american people should draw the line. >> neil: my many concern about the patriot act, a good intention that could run afoul. in the evident to protect us it would turn into something that would police us and provide the impetus and cover to invade our personal privacies and then some. i'm not less concerned about that. if anything i'm more concerned about that. >> this is exactly the kind of abuse that i predicted and many of my colleagues predicted would occur once the patriot action took effect, and was renewed under the obama administration. this is not a left or right thing. this is a pattern of power grab that has been going on since 9/11, and has now resulted in this massive violation of civil rights and civil liberty on a scale we have never seen before in the united states. i frankly think you have been fairly calm about it, neil, but this should be an outrage. >> neil: the one thing i don't understand about the pattern of
behavior is you'll find that those in power, again, democrat or republican, will connect almost any invasion of privacy, whether it's at the irs or at the justice department, with some loose connection to this act, and long before this act, there was this idea that it was in our national security interests to go after nefarious folks, any administration, republican or democrat found nefarious, and this has now gotten to be an art, and i worry about using an act that other agencies can seize on as a convenient excuse to spy. >> this is the problem with granting these broad powers to the government in the name of keeping us safe. we'll never be kept hundred% safe, and to give up these basic fundamental liberties with the promise of being a little bit safer, seems to be an unfair tradeoff. it's not good enough for me.
i don't think it's good enough for the mass population out there. and terrorism is going to occur -- frankly have a better chance of dying from the flu than from a terrorist attack, and to give up our civil liberties to keep us safer from terrorism doesn't seem like a tradeoff use. >> neil: i'm looking at something bigger, the sheer size and present and nature of these sweeping government institutions, that this is inevitable, whether it's pinned or pegged to apatriot act and when institutions get thing big, it's a matter of time before the gate this intrusive. >> that's a legitimate fear. him in a government gets this big or an organization gets this big, bound to find some way to abuse that power and invade fundamental founding prims as -- principles as we have seen, and
that may be the nature of the beast we're dealing with. >> neil: ills it an out of control beast? >> it seems right now, based on the reports that are coming out, that this is a far out of control beast that has been developing power and has been getting big examiner -- bigger and bigger for many years now, and now is the time to put down the beast. >> neil: larry walters, thank you very much in florida. well, as larry point out, pointed out, this is not, for me, at least a left or right thing, it's clearly a big brother thing. the big up in that confirms my worst suspicions, after this. it's hard to describe, because you have a numbness, but yet you have the pain like thousands of needles sticking in your foot. it was progressively getting worse, and at that point i knew i had to do something. once i started taking the lyrica the pain started subsiding. [ male announcer ] it's known that diabetes damages nerves. lyrica is fda approved to treat diabetic nerve pain. lyrica is not for everyone.
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happening if there wasn't a leak. >> the president gave prior to the leak were -- >> and had nothing to do with this. >> that's the major -- >> where is the outrage? >> it's being investigated. was the president personally angry about this? >> the president spoke to this on friday. i would point to his comments. >> neil: sometimes i'm surprised at my friend ed henry's security pass still works at the white house. he is still outside the white house. ed, they're getting a bunker mentality there but how bad is this getting from the tone and tenor of the questions you and your colleagues are asking? >> they're facing pressure on this and i think part of the pressure is, why wasn't there more transparency, especially because of the fact that you heard jay carney tell me, the president addressed this on friday. one of the thing his said friday speededly was he was more transparent and was providing
more oversight than george w. bush did on these surveillance programs because congress was in the loop. if you watched the sunday talk shows you had democrats saying, wasn't in the loop. i wasn't briefed on the program. a top republican on fox saying i didn't have the details, and that's why the administration will be on capitol hill tomorrow briefing behind closed doors the full house about the extent of the surveillance programs. the answer phloem white house, congress knew generally about this, the renewal of the patriot act was discussed in open but members are saying we knew about it generally but were we really in on the details. and the final point this administration's broader defense is, look, this is tough stuff and it's a balance and a tough debate about privacy, but at the end of the day they feel like they're going to be whacked if of they're not tough on surveillance and there's another major terror attack.
people will be saying why weren't you doing a better job. they're damned if they do dammed if they don't. they know they'll face tough questions on transparency but the presidency believes keeping the country safe is the top priority and he'll take lumps but it's the right thing to do. >> neil: they're in a pickle over this. so you thing americans are okay with all of this? take a look at this new poll. might think again. 59% opposed the government collecting phone records, and' number is only goes to rise. i'm sure just a matter of time. right? >> it's already happened. this morning, one poll asked people whether or not they believe the government was listening to their phone conversation. the president assured we're not listening to your conversation. 68% of americans say they believe the government is. >> neil: that cynical, that jade. >> on everything. they have taken what the
political class in washington doesn't understand, there was an argument in politico, the government gets a pass. huh-uh. on saturday, people are so far away, so much further than the political class, but take that rasmussen number. the stunning number, subnumber in that. among people who on the rasmussen index classify as mainstream america, 69% of them oppose this. among the people in the political class, the 18 or 20%, 71 are in favor. that is 101-point difference and yet everything we hear from washington -- okay, we're seeing a breakdown politically and you can see it in the alliances,y you have dianne feinstein with sack by chambliss, and mccain saying this is wonderful, good.
"the wall street journal" writes for the program, opposing obama. "the new york times" saying he lost all credible on this. we have something going on and it's now a new political cusp. >> neil: aren't we just one terror incident away from those numbers changing? when people -- >> we just had a terrorist -- >> neil: right. the verizon stuff was because of the boston attack. but you don't believe it's just verizon. >> neil: no. i'm not saying that. i'm saying, do you think that gives -- >> no. doesn't answer why the fbi, having been tipped off by the russians, let it go, and didn't do anything to stop boston. americans are saying, 68% think the government -- this is a threat to their civil liberties and freedom and there's another -- all of the polls are showing this is really hot, and guess who it's happening with? rasmussen shows the democrats have gone from 75% seeing the
government as their protector, as opposed to threats, to 47% today. the drop -- what is happening is democrats, independents and others are moving, the country is moving in motion against this, and they don't understand why you have to have 300 million phone records records and keep a place in utah the size -- >> neil: the records there are and not going anywhere. >> exactly right. >> neil: patrick, good to have you. the scandals are growing but have you noticed at washington is growing? do you see a connection? my next guest does, and rick is ready to rip because the texas governor is here and only here. ♪ ♪
happen if the government weren't getting bigger and big center my next guess says there's a kess between then size of government and the abuse of government. governor, the might be something to what you say. the bigger government gets the more problems we beget. what's going on here? >> very true. matter of fact during the presidential campaign we talked about doing away with some of those agencies of government and homeland security, the size of that. we have always seenthe possibility of an out of control government, and now we're seeing it's not just the possibility. it's not just a probability. it's reality. >> neil: governor, i just wonder, under the guise of the patriot act and keeping us safe, do you think a lot of enconstitutions, the justice department to the irs to even health and human services, can make a case for invading our privacies in that it's for our own good? >> well, i don't.
i will suggest to you that there's a balance and that is what has been lost all too often in government. one of the reasons it is important to restrict the sizes of government is -- matter of fact, the reason i truly believe we need a parttime congress is because when they're not there all the time, they're not sitting around dreaming up new things to do to us or for us in their opinion. so, the key is, once you fund that government that can be 24/7, 365 days out of the year, you get that type of intrusion into your lives and that's the reason why states like texas -- our legislature meets 140 days every other year. i suggest to you we keep the legislature out of town, keep government agencies restrict in their size, their efforts, and texans live with more freedom than might near any other state. >> neil: governor, i want to get to the jobs growth and everything else in your state. one last question regarding this
intrusion trend. when i had mitt romney here on friday, i asked him if he were president at the time of the boston attacks in april, which apparently was the trigger point for getting all of these verizon phone records -- would hey have advocated that or called for that? and he demure evidence but the justice was that is why all of this happened and we responded to terror incidents by trying to get as much data as we can to see how large the terror threat is. if you were president -- would you have done the same thing? >> neil, this has been going on longer than the boston event. you go back and look and see what happened at the irs. this is a culture. this is a culture of intimidation. this is a culture of trying to put the squeeze on people that you don't agree with, and i think the idea that somehow, no, this is all about terrorism, is a red herring. this is an administration that
has a mentality of, you go get any information you want from anybody at any time, and then we'll figure out if we want to use it or not. >> neil: does worry me what's sitting on some bureaucrat's desk at the ready. governor, on to this less is more argument as far as politics are concerned. legislatures meeting and maybe not meeting as in the case of texas as often. whatever it is you're doing, and whatever it is that legislature is doing or not doing, a lot of jobs are being drawn to your state. maybe because of this little interference, deregulation, no taxes, and that is and has been your pitch as you continue to travel the country to woo still more jobs to that neck of the country, your neck of the country. where does that stabbed right now? >> we're headed to connecticut and new york over the week to take that message, there is still the land of free tom and -- freedom and opportunity called texas.
if you're tired about overtaxation, overregulation, come ounce down, enjoy freedom from legislators and governor governments who want to take your money and use it for what they think is the best idea, rather than lefting you decide how the best use of that money would be, whether to grow your business or to hire more people or what have you. it is a model that has worked well for the last decade. over the last ten years. over 30% of all the new private sector jobs created in america were in the state of texas. wasn't by accident. it happened because thoughtful tax regulatory and legal policies have been put into police, along with a commitment to a skilled work force, businesses are leaving those high tax, high regulation, high litigation states to come to texas. >> governor good, luck on your tour. stop by. you are paying more for health care but do not blame the healthcare law. why don't you blame your boss?
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or higher copays so there may be folks out there who are feeling increased costs, not because of the affordable care act but because those costs are being passed on to workers. >> neil: the greedy fat cats. i'm sure you agree with that, the founder of home depot. >> what? >> neil: you're the reason why the premiums are going up. >> this law, which is perhaps the most complicated piece of legislation ever passed, with the then-speaker of the house had to say, you'll know what's in it when you read it. translation, she didn't know what was in it and she wasn't going to answer the question. the fact of the matter is this law will be a nightmare. not going to be bad. a nightmare. >> neil: already is. but he is putting the onus -- >> the people who will be hurt most are the middle income and lower income people. trust me. they're going to be the ones to
feel the negative impact of the law. they're going to see it in limited access to doctors and health care because we're going to have shortages. they're going to see it in cost going up, not going down, and now everybody agrees you can't bring 35 million people into the process and do it for less money. it just doesn't work. >> neil: he seems to be saying here, ken, that premiums have gone out of whack because businesses are trying to pass this along. you say? >> let me tell you something. my family offers 15 people. we have wonderful healthcare plan. we have adp do our payroll. adp told us that the governor's new bill, the new budget, would have a provision in it that we could no longer aggregate our purchasing through adt -- adp. any number of smaller companies like adp services.
we got the benefit of the -- that we were going to have to go in separately to buy it. which meant that we didn't have the power, the negotiating power, with 2 on 300,000, 15 people you take what they give you. i went to the governor's office -- new york governor him asked me whoa i help him get support for his budget in upstate new york, and i went to him and said, hold it. this is antibusiness. these are little firms. gas stations, bow dig georgia, and they have the benefit of mass buying by being in cooperatives. he didn't know anything about it. he took it out. and made sure it came out of the bill. so now we're able to do it through adp. when we tried to find out where this was driven from, we were told, quote, from upstate. we were told that health and human services in washington urged them to do this. >> neil: when he took it out
they must have been unhappy. >> they had to be. it was found out. didn't fly through. ask why? this allows the insurance companies to get higher premiums from people like my firm to offset -- >> neil: and to pay for this. >> and offset the staggering amount of money they're going to be exposed to by the other plan, these exchanges. it's a nightmare. >> neil: what do you think of health and human services hitting up private companies to pay for this law, at least promoting the law? >> it's the same thing, neil. let me tell you my big frustration right now. my big frustration is the republican party. >> neil: how so? >> i'm afraid they're the gang that can't shoot straight. what die mean? we have benghazi. attorney general holder's problem with the media. got the irs. by the way, the second article of impeachment in richard nixon's impeachment was exactly what the irs was doing now.
congress thought enough of it, both parties to make it an article of the impeachment of nixon. >> neil: do you think this is at the level of an impeachable offense? >> other i'm not sure it is or not but certainly it's bad. >> neil: you think it's gross, in other words, the whole series of scandals. >> i don't want it to grow -- >> neil: do you think there's a connection -- i. want to know what happened and who is going to be punished. people should be punished. every action has a consequence. positive or negative. that woman that now took the fifth, after she said she wasn't guilty, all right -- i'm sure she has wise counsel because her lawyer was my lawyer -- one of my lawyers in my case. bill taylor. great lawyer. but what i'm saying is, this is absolutely outrageous that american citizens are selected -- i saw last night, i was watching hannity, and he had
a panel on and the questions being asked, had to give up their names, and then we find out the irs leaked the names of the people who gave them money and wanted to remain anonymous, which is their right. >> do you think there's a pattern to this stuff? >> the pattern is they think the republican party is the gang that can't shoot straight and they can do whatever they want and so far they're right. >> neil: now that this hat boomeranged -- they got caught. the question is are we going to have the fortitude to go after them? and i'm worried about that. very wifed. >> neil: what do you think -- >> i think they're afraid of this guy. i think the leaders of the republican party are afraid of this map. they don't want to touch him. >> neil: why? >> i don't have any idea why. but this is america. you know, go back and look at the practices that were going on in germany in the early 30s. along -- look at the government against people. for people to talk about civil liberties, people talk about human rights, people talk about
privacy and protection, benghazi? let me tell you about a marine or an army guy or anybody in the military. your buddy gets killed and he is in a place where you might get shot to get him, you'll risk your life to bring that body back. that is what matters. these four people died. we need to know why. we need to know what could have happened that didn't happen. we need to know who is responsible. >> neil: what if we never get that? >> we will only get it for one reason, if our leaders in washington, democrats and republicans, don't say, wait a minute. the wonderful thing about watergate, it was a bipartisan effort. it was -- >> neil: didn't start out that way. >> no, but at the en -- >> neil: what made it. >> howard baker -- >> neil: the revelations. >> when the facts came out and it was clear what was going on, it was a just action, a just -- the point i'm making is, we
don't live in a society like this. none of us that i know of appreciate the notion. the issue of this privacy thing -- i tell you one thing that is interesting. remember when elsberg linked the pentagon papers and the supreme court ruled and the "the times" ran it. what is different than this young man letting this out. tell me what is different. >> neil: what would you do? >> i'd throw a party for him and say thank you for helping protect americanss' privacy rights. that's what i'd do for them. this young man showed a lot of courage and guts and grit, and i think we ought to be grateful we have kids like that in america who understand the meaning of freedom and privacy and liberty. >> neil: if he is in hong kong and that was the last reports of hit whereabouts and we want to extradite him, and the chinese don't want to extradite him. they want to talk to him. then what? >> if they won't let him go want
to start a war to get him back from china? i don't. let me say this. he works for a wonderful firm. booz allen. got to be bright. you don't get a job there unless you are bright. the stand he has taken on this issue to me is commendable. now, i understand neil, and i'm an advocate of this. if we don't surrender some of our rights we run the risk of losing all of our rights. okay? in a society where there are people all over the world that want to kill us -- they want to kill us, maim us, look at boston, 9/11. they're out there. i understand. but i think if you're going to do something like that the american people have some right to understand that you're doing it. you don't do it -- >> neil: now they do. >> they do now because of -- >> neil: too late. >> some 29-year-old month had the courage to say this is not
right. >> neil: you don't like the way this is looking right now. >> i dope like -- look, there may be a plausible reason for this. if we don't surrender some of our rights we run the risk of losing all of our rights, law-abiding citizens -- i have no trouble. you want to listen to my phone calls? listen in. that's fine. they may bell we in the enormous database. people that aren't don't mean well for america and we need to know that. so i have no trouble with that. what i'm saying is the way it's happening now is wrong, and i think that young man, i think for argument sake would be a great supreme court case and i man will be okay. >> neil: we shall see. thank you very much. ken says this guy deserves our thanks. do our legal eagles agree? energy efficient appliances. you can get a tax write off for those. a programmable thermostat, very smart, saves money.
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>> neil: you heard ken, the business titan, treat him as a hero. attorneys evangeline and tamara, say the federal government is coming after him. is he a hero? >> he is not a hero at all. this situation raises a lot of questiones the president will be speaking with the prime minister of china at the end of the week. two of the main issues. human rights and cybersurveillance. >> neil: it's a little avail. what think -- >> the guy is in hong kong.
-- >> neil: allegedly. allegedly. is this guy a hero, faith? >> well, you're asking faith? >> i apologize. one of these long days, and -- >> it's okay. i'm a liberal. i don't have any faith, so i was thrown off. knee -- >> neil: that was rude of me. we were talking about something else during a break. what do you make of this and whether this guy and is should be treated like a hero? >> i don't think it's about heroism. it has to do with the fourth amendment, and do the american people have a right to know if the government is illegally searching and seizing our information. it's not just the government going in and searching our homes. it is certain behaviors and acts like this, like verizon phone records, phone tapping, e-mails. >> neil: i know that. revealed all of this, whether for selfish or other reasons about for the good?
>> yes. a case two years ago a guy was charged for almost the same thing, espionage, and he pled guilty to a million misdemeanor, to misusing a computer and that was -- this is about the american people. >> what do you mak of that arguement? >> a serious national security violation and the u.s. has to prosecute this individual to make sure that other people don't follow suit. we don't have -- >> what if it's not -- >> the u.s. patriot act says that these things are going to happen. if anybody read it you knew this would occur. >> patriot act means the government can wire tap and cannot -- not even wire tap. can look at anything of any american citizen whatsoever and then hide behind any law they create, secret laws -- >> neil: you can see her point, one guy's sense of a collection of data could be someone else's need for trusted high security information that should never be compromised. >> right. but if you're going to make the
argument this is a national security violation, then you have to say what it is. for the american people to know that the government is searching and looking into our private lives, when we're not terrorists. >> neil: what is the difference between this guy assange. >> ways was debated in the u.s. patriot act. i remember being on law school campuses and these are what professors were arguing. we're going compromise our privacy. >> neil: even ken was saying there's a balance. did we overstep it? >> no. we haven't had a -- wait. wait. over 100 million phone records, internet and other records, under the guise of protection, you don't think is overstepping -- >> question haven't had a successful -- >> neil: because of that? >> no, absolutely not. it's interesting because the federal government and doj does not want to turn over a private court order that showed their process and procedure.
the american people should know what we're compromising. this is going on right now with the electronic frontier foundation and the government will not disclose because it's an executive order. disclose it. we not disclose it because it is an executive order. disclose it, we should know. >> tomorrow i understand your point that that's for congress and for the american people to decide, not for this individual. >> are you saying he could be a hero? >> he could be a hero. technically he gave up information he shouldn't have in violation of his contract, maybe signed things. >> ladies, thank you. >> ladies, thank you. forget about the scandals hurting the press, are we getting firsthand evidence that's hurting his party? stick around. ast i don't want to pour over pie charts all day. i want to travel, and i want the income to do it. ishares incomes etfs. low cost and diversified. find out why nine out of ten large professional investors choose ishares for their etfs. ishares by blackrock. call 1-800-ishares for a prospectus, which includes
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the scandals flying around washington. political problems for the president, here is a new poll for the massachusetts senate race. ed markey's lead over gabriel gomez. david, that's interesting. that covers the time which all the scandals came to light. i wonder whether that's the connection or it is something more local ar -- and more parochial. >> if you look at the numbers among independents, the trust factor is worse among independents, independenting are more skeptical and becoming more engaged. gomez is widening the gap. >> it is still a gap to overcome. they're still separated by a good number of points, seven points in this poll which is traditionally a heavily democratic state. not to say republicans can't
win, they had republican governors, had in the past republican senators not too long ago. there's a precedent to republicans making inroads. will this challenger that's fresh, new, not part of the old crowd? >> he hasn't brought out a great campaign. for example, today ed markey and gabriel gomez, no campaign events. a lot of people complain about the fact there isn't a lot going on, not a lot of excitement about the race, part of it is the candidates themselves. but you also have sort of a template of a low turnout because it is a special election. you're not going to have as many young voters participating, with most college students leaving town after final exams in mid may. there's a potential where turnout could drive outcome. >> nationally the scandals, are they registering? >> i think they are, i think they are in states where
independents have a bigger chunk of the outcome. independents in massachusetts are 53%. that's why we had movement in the polls. we've seen the same kind of thing in massachusetts to a smaller extent than you see nationally. net positives for barack obama, personally and job approval have dropped about ten points a piece. he starts in the stratosphere in massachusetts, he is still popular but his numbers have come down. >> thank you very much. we all make a big deal about where snowden is, regardless of the fact the chinese have access to him. would they surrender him to us? why that might not be the case, why that alone should make you worry, tonight, 8:00 p.m. sir... i'll get it together i promise... heeheehee. jimmy: ronny, how happy are folks who save
i'm eric bolling with kimberly guilfoyle, greg gutfeld, dana perino. this is "the five." a rogue american intel analyst at the center of what may be the most expansive intel leak in the united states is on the lam in hong kong. questions abound. we are going to try to breakdown who ed snowden is, what he gave away, what should happen to him. fascinating stuff. who is ed snowden. >> my name is ed snowden, i am 29 years old. i b