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  FOX and Friends  FOX News  September 30, 2013 4:05am-4:12am PDT

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>> brian: right. that's why i wear a neck brace when i'm not on television. >> steve: you do not. donald trump joins us. good morning. >> good morning. >> steve: what to you think will happen on capitol hill? will we shut down? >> it's a mess. it happened before. but probably never to this extent and ultimately it's about dislike. these are people that truly dislike each other. but it's really about obamacare. obamacare was forced down everyone's throat and a lot of people don't want to take it and it will be destructive to the country. >> brian: when you write your books about bargaining in business, is it important to know what the strategy is going in and the end game going in, because i am not convinced anyone has an end game on either side, which i think is criminal. >> well, i've always said, brian, that deals are people. it's all about people. you have to know the people. you have to know how to get along with them or not get along with them. you have to know people. these are people that don't understand each other. they don't like each other. they don't want to give anybody a victory even if it's good for
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the country. and it's a real problem. but obamacare is causing -- it was rammed down everyone's throat. you had two democratic houses. you had a group of people that didn't want it. you had the democrats who didn't want it. it was rammed down their throats. it made it barely, even with strong democratic -- fairly strong majorities, this is what we have. something ultimately is going to have to happen. it's probably going to fall of its own weight because it is so bad and so destructive and so complicated. i guess it's 2900 pages and most people haven't even read it. almost everybody that passed it has never read it. who is going to read 2900 pages? the complexity. but it's not the complexity. if it's complex, it works. that's one thing. but it's complex and it doesn't work. so at some point they're going to have to do something about obamacare. >> elisabeth: who is going to take the blame? boardroom here, who is getting fired? who will bear the brunt of the
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responsibility, if there is a shutdown? >> if you say who gets fired, it always has to be the top. problems start from the top and have to get solved from the top and the president is the leader and he's got to get everybody in a room and he's got to lead. he doesn't do that. he doesn't like doing that. that's not his strength. and that's why you have this horrible situation going on in washington. very, very bad thing and it's very embarrassing world wide. we had syria last week. we have now iran acting like they love us, but all doing is buying time. we're playing along with the game. >> brian: that's your conclusion? you're not believing that they've seen the light and the sanctions are killing them? >> no. i think they think we're not too smart and they've seen what's been happening in this country for the last number of years and i think when i watch him making all these wonderful statements and yet he doesn't want to show up and shake a hand, it's sort of interesting. but i think that they're just biding time and playing for more time. eventually there is not much anybody will be able to do.
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to me, it's a sucker punch and i look at it and it's a bad situation. >> steve: going back to the whole government shutdown thing, you can understand, though, why things are so polarized and we're at this particular point, because so many people, particularly in the house, ran on obamacare. i'm going to do everything i can to get rid of it or delay it or blow it up in some fashion. so you can understand why it would get to the 11th hour. >> you know, the interesting thing -- i know people in both parties very well. over the years i've gotten along with a lot of them. but the democrats don't want obamacare. >> brian: but they can't -- >> steve: they can't say that on tv. >> no, they can't. but a lot of them don't want it. some of the things these votes will do is democrats will have to vote again, which is not what they want to be doing, again for obamacare and they're going to be losing elections because of it. >> brian: also it brings you back to strategy. why not pressure the five democratic senators in red
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states that -- or going to be lucky to win the next election, have somebody join joe manchin out of west virginia on the democratic side to come forward and g listen, i'm not happy with a lot of elements here. let's conference. like senator rand paul brought up. let's get together because hey, mr. president, i'm about to come out against you and this could be the beginning of a waterfall, a strategy to bring them forward would have been much more encouraging if you're a republican. >> it just seems to be, brian, that the democrats don't want to make even -- they're talking about the medical device tax as a method of compromise. well, of course, that's important to certain people and that's great. but it's so small compared to what the real problem is, the real problem is much bigger than that. but they don't want to compromise on anything and it will look like a failure to them. and i understand that. but it will look like a compromise of any kind will look like a failure to the democrats. so it's really cast in stone. it could be a mess and it could be longer than people think. and likewise, something could
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happen. but i don't think the democrats are going to compromise on anything. the interesting thing is in 25 years, 50 years, 100 years from now, when the government -- they talk about the government shutdown, they're going to be talking about the president of the united states. who was the president at that time? they're not going to be talking who the head of the house was, the head of the senate, who is running things in washington. they're going to be talking about during the obama administration it was a disaster. so guys like boehner, who is in there working hard and he's got one of the truly hard jobs, they're not going to be discussing him. they're going to be discussing one person. so i really think the pressure is on the president, personally, in terms of his own entity. >> elisabeth: the history books will say that. we're talking about shutdown of government. but shutdown of the private sector is already happening. small businesses not wanting to grow to middle size business structure.
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you know business better than anybody. what's your take on what's going to happen outside of talking specifically health care? >> what's happening is amazing because people are hiring part-time workers. nobody has ever seen that before. they're firing people that have been with them for many years. people that have worked for a company for 20 and 25 years are now being on a part-time basis. they end up finishing out their careers as part-time workers. that's because of obamacare. because you can avoid obamacare by having part-time workers. that's what they're doing. they're hiring these part-time workers and they don't really show up -- the incredible thing is the unemployment numbers at 7.3% are so off. the real numbers are probably 18 or 19%. but they're hiring part-time workers and that's not the kind of thing that grows economies. obamacare is forcing you to do that. >> brian: are you a fan of ted cruz, before we have to let you go and buy a building? are you a fan of what senator
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cruz did last week? >> well, i think probably the end result is everybody knew that just the way it was structured, nothing could come of it. it was good for ted. i like ted. i met ted and his father when i was in iowa. i think he's a really hard-driven guy and good guy. so i don't know. i mean, i'm not sure that particular tactic was the greatest because you knew the outcome was going to be exactly what the outcome was. i do say this, that was good for ted and that's okay. >> brian: all right. thank you, donald trump. >> thank