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>> congratulations. >> thank you. thank you very much. that's it for today and for the first ten years, thank you. thank you so much for watching. have a great week. and we'll see you next "fox news sunday." this week on "the journal editorial report," the white house taughts the white house we'll sort the truth from the spin. plus, new global education rankings once again show american students lagging. so just how worried should we be? and china flexes its military muscle as vice president joe biden visits the region. will the u.s. stand firm with japan as tensions rise? >> obviously the website, when it was first launched, wasn't in tip-top shape, to say the least. but we have been 24/7 going at
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it and now for the vast majority of users it's working. so i'm going to need you all to share the word about how the affordable care act really works, what its benefits are, what its protections are and, most importantly, how people can sign up. >> welcome to "the journal editorial report." that was president obama at the white house youth summit pitching the revamped website. they are touting this week's rising enrollment numbers and to sell it to a still skeptical public. is obama care on the road to recovery? let's ask joe rag go, deputy editor dan and kim. so joe, has obama care turned the corner here, as the white house says.
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>> they'd love to make you think that. what they did was they picked a -- they made a deliberate political decision to fix the part of the website that consumers see but they haven't fixed the so-called back end, the information systems that transmits data to insurers about who is signing up for their products. so it's essentially like ordering something online and never having it go to the warehouse to deliver. >> so the sign-up numbers have improved -- >> but still not totally up to speed. >> they are pitching this 29,000 enrollment figure for the first two days of december. is that meaningful? >> look, they were looking for seven million people to sign up. even if you get 29,000 every day, you're still not going to hit that number. >> house ways and means member david camp put out a notice saying that what they need in
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fact to hit that seven million number is 129,000 per day. >> dan, the one goal that the white house had here, as joe suggests, is namely political. that they needed to stop the democrats from -- on capitol hill, in particular, from running away from the law and this seems to have worked. the spin about how this is all fixed now. you don't see a lot of -- you don't hear a lot of democratic criticism. >> well i think in part, paul, because a lot of the democrats on the hill are not really themselves up to speed on the technology that's been applied to the system. so short term, for a week or so, yeah, they can get some quiet up on capitol hill. but obama's biggest problem is that the young people, the so-called millenials are not signing up and we just had this harvard poll out that said about 57% of them disapprove of obama care. and one of the reasons is the cost is very high, they didn't
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know the costs were going to be so high but the other reason is that the website is an experience that you would expect to have back in the early 1990s, not 2013. they have something, for instance, a cueing tool which means if 50,000 people are using the website, a little sign will come on and say, give us your e-mail address, you can't get on, and we'll call you back. >> for millenials, this is laughable and they lose faith in the system. so i think the process of signing people up is just going to lose ground over time. >> is it that big of a problem, joe? i mean, you're a millenia lchl. what do you think? is this something that your generation looks at and you say this is a bit ridiculous given technologically? >> part of it is technological but the are being required by law to buy. this is an overpriced product. it's very tightly regulated and it's not the kind of -- it
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doesn't adapt to changing circumstances. it says that everyone should want the same thing and that's not true. >> what about this, kim, much talked about white house offensive that they are going on to tell this, not only to get millennials to enroll but they are picking anecdotes for this person gets health because they couldn't get coverage before, this person had pre-existing coverage, this person is now on medicaid? it's a very concerted, deliberate strategy. what's behind this? >> well, they are trying to suggest that it works and they now have the website somewhat in order on the front end so they can say, you can get there. the problem is, they have ten of these examples and that has to be compared against the millions of people who are losing their coverage. and so what you see is people like mary landrieu saying --
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>> senator from louisiana. >> yes, in a tough re-election this next year. and after a month of saying, well, we need to fix this, now she's out saying i would vote for this law again. here's the good things that are there. so they are going to try to make this an asset. >> what are the markers, joe, that we should be being looking for in the coming weeks to come, whether or not this thing is actually gaining more momentum or working like the white house says? >> well, one thing is that they've refused to say how severe the back end problems are. they've said they've fixed 80% of the problems but they won't say how many problems they are worth to begin with. >> and a black box? >> right. you just can't trust anything that comes out of the health and human services administration. so once they start revealing more information, you know, we've seen these leaps this week about a surge of enrollment. when they start to be more
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transparent, that will be a sign that things are getting better. i don't think that's going to happen. >> dan, do you see any sign that the white house is going to do anything other than tough this out, plow through, fight on, march on, declare a victory no matter what happens and just make sure that they can improper as it goes on? >> no, absolutely, paul, i think that indeed is the plan, to cram this down, push it through one way or another until you get enough people on those subsidies that will make it very difficult to get them off. the problem with that strategy, paul, i think a lot of people like the millennials, that obama care is a welfare program. they will pay higher premiums so people over here, the uninsured and people with pre-existing conditions can be subsidized. that's not the way obama care was represented when it was sold to congress. i think that's going to create a political problem for them out in the country. >> when we come back, renewed
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hand-wringing as u.s. students once again lagging in math, science, and reading. so how concerned should we be? there's a debate ahead. [ male announcer ] research suggests cell health plays a key role throughout our lives. one a day men's 50+ is a complete multivitamin designed for men's health concerns as we age. with 7 antioxidants to support cell health. one a day men's 50+. yep. got all the cozies. [ grandma ] with n fedex one rate, i could ll a box and ship it r one flat rate. so i kn untilt was full. you'd be crazy not to. is tt nana? [ male announcer ] fedex one rate. simple, flat rate shipping with the reliability of fedex.
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well, another mediocre showing for students in the program for national student assessments global education scores which ranked 15-year-olds from around the world in reading, science, and math. this year's results shows the u.s., once again, in the middle of the pact. we're back with dan henninger and kim strassel. how seriously should we take an international ranking like this? >> i think we should take it seriously. some people will say, look, we are in the middle.
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we didn't necessarily fall very far. we've been there. things aren't getting worse. on the other hand, the world is changing and the skills that you need to survive in the world and compete in the world and we're now in a global economy competing for skills, that we need to be making progress on this chart rather than go behind. what also has people nervous is this comes despite many years now of the united states being focused on this question, no child left behind, other pieces of legislation, common core debate, state efforts and we're not necessarily making huge progress. >> no noticeable improvement. >> but rankings have very little to do with the success of individuals in later life, much less the success of the economy. there's this false equation that companies with great educational systems, is that true of japan? absolutely not.
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take a country like -- >> fewer people than new york city. >> yes. >> it's got half as many people as belgium and that's why it makes it ridiculous, comparing them to a country of five million people -- >> so we should ignore them? >> yes, we should ignore them. we put more and more money into schools with really little to show for it. >> that's the opposite, in fact. because what's happened is this shows if you put money into education, it's not working. >> we're doing great in spending money. we're at the top. >> clearly something else has to be done because that's not doing it for us. >> education is a value in and of itself. there's a lot to be said for having a smarter 15-year-old, 21-year-old. but by saying this is going to predict our success or failures as a country going into -- >> you're right. it's not the only var yabl.
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but, dan, there is a competition in the world right now for human capital. you want to get the best and the brightest. one of the problems with japan, for example, it doesn't take immigrants. so they don't attract the world's smallest individuals like we still do, although we're trying to keep them out. you agree with bret? >> you know, i really don't. let me give you two examples that's not really my example. it's their examples. switzerland and lick ken stein, this is what came out of these two countries. their administrators said, look, we are life specks in the world economy. we are just a teeny little country and we understand that we have to be better than most if we're going to compete. so what both of those countries have done is make the concerted effort to emphasize mathematics instruction. they take upwards of eight hours of math a week. and they have innovative program
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to teach it. they understand that their kids are going to have to know this stuff. they drill them. they discipline them and they succeed. it's not rocket science. and i think if our schools understood that they were in the same competitive pool that we would try to do the same sort of innovation and i will say one more thing. if the teachers union will allow that kind of innovation here. >> one of the things that i like about this is it does at least wake up america. it says, you know what, your success in the world economy is not guaranteed. >> yes. but lick ken stein and switzerland's success in the world has to do the banks and secrecy and low taxes. a country of about 20,000 people -- >> all right. let's not change the subject. let's go on to whether or not education is something we ought to care about as a competitive -- something to help our competitors. >> there are other things that we ought to care about more. we should have an environment that encourages immigrants to come to this country to
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innovate, to succeed and to have second chances in life in case they fail the first time. that's much more important than making sure that johnny at 15 is at the same level of those mighty lick ken stein generals in calculus. >> but that suggests that we don't care about this issue. we should be able to walk and chew gum at the same time. you can have of all those things and have an education system. we know what it takes to make it better. it's not spending $115,000 per head. it's having merit-based pay for teachers, having competition between teachers, and, in general, giving our kids a better environment, especially in k through 12 where their instructors are at school and inspiring these things. >> that's true but this isn't the key to national success. >> bret, thank you. when we come back, vice president joe biden wraps up his
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. we, the united states, are deeply concerned by the attempt to unilaterally change the status quo in the east china sea. this action has raised regional tensions and increased the risk of accidents and miscalculation. >> vice president joe biden on tuesday voicing concern over china's aggressive new air defense identification zone in the east china sea. the comments came during his week-long trip to the region, which included more than five hours of face-to-face meetings with chinese president who showed no sign of trying to
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control the senkaku islands. let's give viewers a chance of why americans should care over this dispute of islands in the east china sea. >> it looks as though that area of the country is becoming destabilized. you have china's intention with not only japan but the countries in the south china see, indonesia, the philippines, and they are using their muscle to try to push their higeminy over the waters and they are going to push back. and so you've got a very tense situation down there and historically in the post war period, the united states has, shall we say, had the back of countries like japan and south korea. and at this moment, they literally are explicitly doubting that. that's why vice president biden had to go out there and say that. i have no recollection, paul, of a u.s. administration in the post war period having to go out on a trip like mr. biden and
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reassure our allies that we were behind them. it's unprecedented. >> so we also, bret, have a treaty obligation to defend japan if -- including these little islands. >> including. >> did joe biden succeed in assuring them? >> no. i think he raised deep votes in the foreign mint industry and their leaders. >> even talking to your sources? >> yeah. there's real nervousness. they are as nervous as the saudis and israelis when it comes to iran. it's just a sense that this is an administration that wants to put america in retreat. the administration has been talking about channels of communication with the chinese when what they should be saying is we will not recognize this air defense zone and we'll take proactive steps to prevent the chinese from enforcing it. >> but they did send b-52s last week. >> that's correct.
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>> without informing the chinese in advance and i assume y support that. >> i praised ithow last week. absolutely. >> so what is it that they are doing that is inadequate, in your view, of sending that message of resolve? >> they are very sort of precise, diplomatic terms of art and rhetoric that the administration ought to be using. one of the things they ought to be saying is, we recognize the senkaku islands a sovereign japanese territory. we are treaty-bound with japan i think from 1960 to defend those islands. we will take steps, for instance, by having joint 1nava patrol around the senkaku islands. >> this signals our alliance with japan. >> right. and telling them at this very early stage to back off before there's an accident or miscalculation on their part. >> dan, china is a rising power and history shows that when you have a rising power, especially
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an authoritarian power that is beginning to push its boundaries and assert itself and there's no question in any mind that china wants to dominate the pacific and push the americans out, you really do have a situation where you can get military conflict if, for example, that rising power doesn't understand the limits and doesn't understand how the world will push back. do you think the united states is giving that adequate signal to the chinese? >> absolutely not, paul. we just showed vice president biden saying essentially the right thing. but the problem is, that's the really first time that a prominent american official has done that. you can't show up at the 11th hour, which is where we are now, and suddenly start making these blustery statements. the administration has had nobody at the highest level, including the secretary of state, secretary of state kerry has been preoccupied with the middle east, working that area of the world persistently over a long period of time.
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you don't have to go public with every threat or every message to these people but you do have to be talking to them and we simply have let them slide out there in that region of the world. >> all right. thanks very much. we have to take one more break. when we come back, hits and misses of the week. [ male announcer ] research suggests cell health plays a key role throughout our lives. one a day men's 50+ is a complete multivitamin designed for men's health concerns as we age. with 7 antioxidants to support cell health. one a day men's 50+. with 7 antioxidants to support cell health. hoo-hoo...hoo-hoo. hoo-hoo hoo. sir... i'll get it together i promise...
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time now for hits and misses of the week. dan, first to you. >> well, i missed my favorite headline of the week, paul, which is, obama orders the federal government to triple the use of renewable use. he orders them. this reminds me of the king that went down to the ocean and ordered the tides to recede just like that. there's a more serious point. if he's going to triple the renewable fuels, that means their energy bill is going to rise and guess who's going to pay for this additional energy cost? we, the taxpayers. strikes me a lot like obama care. it's going to be a lot more expensive than advertised. >> all right. kim? >> a miss to the fast food
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walkouts that happened in 100 cities on thursday arranged by big labor and done mostly so the president had something more to talk about other than obama care, he could talk about minimum wage. the biggest issue facing minimum wage workers is obama care. now in order to change focus from that, we're also now talking about minimum wage would make it harder for them to get a job in the first place. >> okay. joe? >> paul, i don't know if anybody at home is watching us on a $45,000 tv, but that is now an option. just in time for christmas, samsung has put out an 85-inch ultra high-end, ult ultra high-definition television controlled by voice and hand gestures. that's more than a college education -- a year of college education or a car or even many american's income. but if you're frugal, it's $5,000 off on
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>> all right. thanks, joe. if you have your own hit or miss, send it to us at that's it for this week's show. thanks to my panel and all of you for watching, i hope to see you right here next week. a fox news alert, a dangerous weather blasting all over and welcome to america's news headquarters. we begin in milwaukee. ice and snow being blamed for several multicar pileups. they are cleaning this one up now. to washington, d.c., the snow coming down at a steady clip bringing with it the possibility of significant icing in the virginia area. and this is a live shot of philadelphia. the storm is moving eastward and now philadelphia is really feeling it. a blanket of snow already covering the


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