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be your health care ♪ >> karl rove joins us. nice to see you jr, karl. >> great to see you, greta. >> i suppose we should explain what they just saw is an effort to promote obama care to young people. like it? a good idea? >> look, i worry about something that seems aimed at glorification of the commander in chief, the president of the united states opposed to simply evacuating that young people go out and sign up under this new entitlement program. this disturbingly gets too close to the line. i think in fact crosses it. here's the fundamental problem. no matter how much cute advertising they do, no matter how many rappers or hollywood stars, the president has an enormous problem with credibility and acceptability of the affordable care act. new poll out from the harvard institute of politics, by a 5-1 margin millennials 18-29 think the affordable care act will
lead to worst health care not better. by a 2 1/2 to 1 margin they think their costs will increase rather than decrease. as a result 20% of young people surveyed by the harvard institute of politics said they were likely to sign up. 8% said definitely. 47% said not likely, and 27% definitely. the president's got a credibility problem with this. for a good reason. if you're a young person and you go online and check what your costs of health care will be, you will find your premiums will be high and your deductibles are even higher. so the idea of paying the $95 a year penalty or 1% of your adjusted gross income as a penalty opposed to paying these big premiums and big deductibles, the trade-off is going to be, don't sign up, pay the penalty and wait and watch and see if something better comes along. >> the other interesting aspect about this, i think it's sort of
insulting to young people because it says, get obama care because it's cool. not because substantively it is a good program for you, it is important for your health. it doesn't even discuss that aspect. i realize it's promo and marketing thing, sort of effort, this is cool, so get it. >> remember, they can't make the argument on the basis of economics. remember, one of the reasons why the administration is despera desperately trying to get more young people to sign up because the affordable care act includes a provision called community rating, orwellian in its title. it really means younger people that sign up under the affordable care act will pay a higher premium than they would otherwise pay in order to subsidize the premium paid by older workers, sort of generational warfare where older less healthy workers will get their coverage subsidized by more healthy younger workers who
draw on the system less. it's deliberately designed cross subsydation over generations. you can't make the argument this is going to be better than today for you. most young people -- i have a young friend in austin, 34 years old, i know her professionally, she and her boyfriend had to sign up under the affordable care act for insurance. her premiums went from just under $100 a month to nearly $400 a month. her deductible went up 50% from 2,000 dollars to $3,000. she's got tattoos and body piercing, not exactly looked like a normal republican voter. my sense is she's not going to be particularly keen about voting democrat this year. >> this video is by covered california, their program, their state exchange with partnership with rural america and national programs. what is interesting they neglected talking about cover california they left out the part how covered california just
released tens of thousands of personal information, names and addresses without people's permission so that state exchange isn't necessarily in such great standing i imagine with people in california right now. >> wouldn't be surprised. again, look, i understand the government trying to say, sign up for medicaid, sign up for medicare, sign up for the affordable care act. this video is really like self-glorification of the president of the united states. could you imagine if such a thing had been run by george bush or bill clinton or bush 41 or reagan, how much taxpayer dollars being used to glorify the president? two terms, i'm really cool and really hip, how much public outcry there could have been? >> of course, you can see the entire rap video, you should see it on greta wire.com, we posted the entire video. this is new. another giant obama care bill, hhs just ordered another
additional $58 million in grants to navigators on top of the 150 million already granted to outreach and enrollment. do we need this? carl? >> it's worse than you just depicted. this is additional $58 million to navigator services to be performed by community health centers. there is $67 million given to groups in 34 states. we're literally spending hundreds of millions of dollars on these so-called navigators, mostly community outreach groups, whose job it is to help people navigate the affordable care act and sign up for care. how effective is it? thus far the evidence is not particularly exciting. take south dakota, $600,000 went to community groups in south dakota. there are 833,000 people all together in the state. you're spending a lot of money for relatively small state. 372 people have signed up on the private exchanges. north dakota, another $600,000,
its population about 700,000, 265 people have signed up. all together in dakotas, we've given out $1.2 million to community groups to be quote navigators and 637 people have signed up using the web and using the navigators and using paper applications. you can't even attribute all 637 people to the $1.2 million you spent to community groups to get them signed up. in the first month the community groups got hundreds of thousands of dollars in the state of oregon and nobody signed up. in the state of delaware they were spending $30,000 a week and nobody signed up. this navigator experience is going to be worth examining. i hope the house of representatives and senate in a bipartisan fashion examine the cost effectiveness in march. and i think we will find hundreds of millions of dollars
flushed down the toilet, most in the pocket of community agengro most with a political agenda. >> if the website were intuitive. if the website were done really plainly and correctly, people wouldn't need that extra help and we wouldn't have to hire navigators to help them navigate a bum website. >> i grant you there's a utility to having people navigate the awkward enrollment process. but, again, is it worth hundreds of millions of dollars given to community centers and other community groups. the health center frankly is probably the better spent and says are you eligible for medicaid or checked out the affordable care act. looks like the administration is throwing money off the top of buildings saying if you're a
community group sign up and we'll give you money if you will pretend like you're helping people sign up for this program. we'll train -- we've seen some instances they are telling people to lie about their taxes and hide income to sign up and poorly trained and ill-advised, in most, many instance, political groups -- community groups who are allies of the president. >> congress should take a look at it. carl, thank you. >> you bet. thank you. >> what is up with the obama administration? why won't they tell us the straight story about the enrollment numbers. they act like it's the nuclear code we can't know about it. charles krauthammer coming up. first, i want to talk to you off the record. congress won't like this one. i bet you will agree with me. i will go off the record after this break.
let's all go off the record. at the risk of losing friends on capitol hill. oversight means oversight, work being done, doesn't mean after the fact. that's how the president and people at the white house are treating it. it is 100% true president obama and kathleen sebelius are responsible for the roleout and
they are up to their eyeballs for this debacle. congress was responsible for the oversight right from the get-go. congress should have been scrutinizing each step of the way so the obama administration towed the line and didn't inflict us with this mess it now has. don't tell me the obama administration would not cooperate with oversight and dragging its feet or readily answer the document requests. i know that's true, the obama administration has been anything but transparent. here's what congressman trey gowdy and others want to pull our hair out. congress has subpoena power and could have demanded these answers everyday without delay and busted through the disgraceful obama gamesmanship. congressional oversight is no longer oversight. it is aftersight. too late, not during when they could be fixed so americans suffer and that's rotten and that is my comment of the night. if you have an important issue
you think i should address, go to gretawire.com and tell us about it. >> they say the number grew to 365,000. what about the millions of people who lost their insurance plan? is the obama administration only painting the picture it wants you to see? charles krauthammer joins us. what's with these numbers they're rolling out? >> they're about as trustworthy as soviet numbers on production of steel. they have dribbled out numbers meant to sound impressive and hide the real truth. they tell us about the millions who went on the website. one-third of a million who supposedly enrolled. they haven't enrolled, they put stuff in their shopping cart. none of them have reached the cash rag ster. they're going to show up at their doctors' offices the first
of junianuary and discover whet or not they are enrolled. the 100-year-old definition of enrolling for health insurance is you send the check in for your premium your first premium to your insurer, you are then enrolled and you are insured. nobody has sent a check in. we have no idea how many are enrolled. because of what they like to call the back end problem which makes it sound like an obscure arcane problem, the back end problem is the information about the so-called enrollment, the stuff that's supposed to happen at the cash register has not reached the insurer. the insurer is oblivious unless the insurer independently on its own contacts the person who is getting the insurance, which is being done essentially with phones and by hand. we have no idea how many people despite the numbers that you hear. >> they say that number now. if that is indeed all true and i have no reason to dispute anything you've said, that come
january 1, 2, 3 or 30, all of a sudden these numbers will come crashing down on them. you would think they would have longer vision on this. i would be worried if i were out there bragging about the numbers. >> that's exactly the question you would have asked when the president of the united states declares over and over again, if you like your plan, you can keep your plan, period. knowing as they all did, there were huge debates inside the white house, knowing the time would come as it did come in september, october, november, people were going to lose their plans in the millions, so you ask yourself the same question, how could the president have gone out and all the others went out and said if you like the plan you keep your plan, when they knew there'd be millions of cancellation notices going out? i don't have an answer other than this. they know it's a disaster. they're worried about what's going to happen but all they're trying to do, to bail the water out of the boat.
every hour and every day, not worrying about the big holes and the leaks and the cracks in the foundation. >> obama care may not be selling like hot cakes. i should say your book is selling like hot cakes. >> it's selling very well. thank you very much. >> indeed very well. >> i'm learning to be humble. it's not easy but i'm trying. >> it's selling like hotcakes. charles, nice to see you. much. >> a really rotten sneaky thing under obama care is happening to some americans and to think that obama promised to lower costs and you can keep your doctors. a doctor exposes this obama care outrage to congress next. next, the obama administration is really nervous. it has to do with hollywood and obama care. actress janine turner is coming up.
will you lose your doctor and hospital and medication? today, a doctor will go to congress and tell them what obama care is doing to their patients. >> there has been frankly not a shred of any life evidence the winners will even come close to approaching the number of losers. >> i have for the first time in my career had patients healthy previously not walk in et cetera on a medication doing great who are crying in my office. they don't know whether their medication will be covered. >> that sounds like someone in washington telling you how to take care of a patient. >> what does that do to your patients? >> my teacher paralyzed i know i can do something for and i have to watch her stay paralyzed. >> we have to fix this and fix
this now. >> you just heard testimony from dr. jeffrey english a neurologist at the multiple sclerosis center in atlanta. thank you. >> thank you. >> i say you must feel pretty passionate to come up and testify. >> exactly. the ms group in general is difficult to take care of and takes a lot of time. in 1990 we had no medicines and now we have 10. now the providers and medicines, it looks to me will be taken away, at least with a lot of my patients. >> you are with night health network and will be considered a non-preferred doctor not because of quality of care, say you're a great doctor. why? >> because of my costs, mris patients need regularly and cost of medications beyond my control. >> it's the nature of the disease, the type of disease you treat? >> correct. >> if i have ms, i don't want, of course, i have united health
insurance, i've been a patient a number of years, doing well, love it, great, paying my premiums forever, now, because you are non-preferred i can't have you as my doctor unless i pay more simply because i have a disease with expensive medications they've been paying forever until now? >> we don't know yet. the dead line to appeal was three weeks after i got the letter. that dead line has passed. now, it's a month later and we haven't gotten to united health care to plead our case. all i have is information on the website which states patients may have to pay more to see me if they have united health care. >> you do know you're non-preferred under united health >> correct. we passed the dead line, december 2nd. >> you had to appeal to them and they're just sitting on it? >> correct. >> it's appalling, i think it's appalling. most americans feel they want their doctors to be their doctors. they don't want them doing appeals, sitting around waiting, trying to figure out if they can
prescribe drugs. you're doing a lot of things you didn't go to medical school for. >> and we have patients stable on current therapy and weren't before and now they're getting restricted provider lists but medication lists and i have to be dealing with patients wo could get taken off the drug that has now stabilized them and kept them from being disabled. >> is this unique to ms or are we finding it across other diseases as well? >> the metrics are based on various outcomes, part of cms, why the united health care said they took people off united health care medicare advantage plans a few weeks ago. these metrics are based on general populations of people. i don't take care of general populations of people, i take care of a very difficult group. ms is an example of patients that require different types of therapies and treatments. >> have you thought what it's like to tell a patient if your
appeal is denied, i can't take care of you unless you pay me more because of the health costs? >> i'm not worried about my cost, more worried about their medications. people s i won't stop this when i know i can take care of somebody but not allowed to use the medications to provide that. i can't take kind of good care of patients. >> you can't give them the medication they need. >> correct. >> good luck. i hope united health care is listening and take care of your appeal quickly. no reason 0 sit on this much longer with a lot of sick patients. thank you. coming up, oversight committee daryl issa accuse iin criminal obstruction. do you think congress is digging deep enough into the obama care rollout disaster or should they do more? tweet us using #greta.
get ready to speed-read your way to the news. fist in south africa, they're admitting to a hiring mistake of a fake interpreter for nelson mandela's service. and it was jibberish. the accused imf poster said he was having hallucinations and he was standing just a few inches from president obama. >> in 2006, a wife found dead in a pool of blood and the young daughter was found unharmed in the parents bed. jason insists he was away and his argues insist he received an unfair trial. and in-flight phone calls,
saying they should -- the ban is dated and should be changed. president bush known as president bush 43 sending a note of encouragement to another 43. and the kicker who received threats about his kicking loss to auburn. he said, dear cade 43, life has its setbacks, i know. however you will be a stronger human with time. >> daryl issa accusing hhs of criminal obstruction after hss told obama website contractors not to release documents to investigators.
congressman on that committee with us. >> how are you? >> fine. how are you? >> fine. are you accusing hhs of criminal obstruction? >> they're perilously close. as you know, greta, i'm going to need all the facts. chairman issa may have access to some i don't have. i do know this, congress is not a third party. i don't care what the contract say, some contracts are void for public policy. you can't tell someone in the contract not to call the police if there a's a bad act or tell e person in the branch of government not to comply with that subpoena. if there is evidence secretary sebelius is telling people not to cooperate with a jurisdiction of people in congress she will be in more trouble than she's currently in and that's a lot. >> have you actually sent the subpoena to the contractors for information? are they under subpoena to
provide that information? >> yes. there have also been subpoenas to the department of haeealth a human services. what will be very interesting if the production is different, if we get less documents from hhs than we get from the contractor, that will also make our interest peak. >> are you going to do anything about it? there's a lot of sabre rattling historically on capitol hill when subpoenas are ignored. will you enforce this stuff and demand if there's criminal obstruction demand there be an investigation and possibly a criminal investigation? >> greta, as you know, congress has tried that in the past with eric holder. we even held him in contempt. we referred to the criminal prosecution to the dc u.s. attorney and it went nowhere and now in the courts. and we just had a hearing about executive overreach ignoring the congress branch.
and i propose we send a subpoena d duces tecum to kathleen sebelius not only do we want you, bring the documents. if she doesn't want that we can deal with civil or criminal contempt. you and i both know the u.s. won't prosecute kathleen sebelius but congress can and it doesn't depend on a contract she negotiated with a contractor, it is constitutional. >> let me go to one other subject. apparently one of the dead lines has been extended. apparently you had to enroll in health care insurance and pay by december 23rd. now i understand the dead line now is the end of the months. a little leeway, your thoughts about that? >> i am all for providing taxpayers a legitimate remedy particularly given the fact kathleen sebelius so botched the rollout of the website. i have no interest in punishing
my fellow citizens. i would like there to be more accountability of this administration. if people need more time -- i could have sworn she said there won't be any delays, that was yesterday. apparently no more delays after this delay. i don't want to punish the american citizens, want a website that works and somebody that tells the truth. we have a broken website and broken promises and the secretary of hhs in serious trouble with congress if she doesn't quit fooling around with subpoenas. >> congressman, thank you, sir. >> yes, ma'am, thank you. >> back to the hard sell to get young people to sign up for obama care, a-listers include people's sexiest man alive, adam levin. the pop star tweets california is where i call home. now, you can get covered if you're a resident so hurry. take another look at the main attraction of the star-studded campaign. ♪ i'm the boss man but y'all knew that ♪ creating jobs, yeah, i did it ♪ got my wife posted up on my
left side, v.p. on my right side that's the way we ride ♪ ♪ nothing was the same legislation you should call me drake ♪ ♪ last name first name piece of cake ♪ ♪ if you choose it just use it they can't refuse it no pre-existing condition could ever make you lose it ♪ ♪ tell a friend or random guy i have a game changer right here that saves lives ♪ ♪ don't stand and 2diddle or my health sizzle chock notch full of everything and cover all your dibbles and sizzles ♪ ♪ while you figure that out -- >> is that effective or over the top ridiculous? actress janine turner joins us. good evening, janine. >> good evening, greta. loving your new show at 7:00. really fun. >> i love the 7:00. we all love the 7:00. thank you very much. do you love the new rap ad for obama care or do you think it's over the top? >> i think it's over the top. this is a really serious
situation, very serious situation. to bring in these celebrities to do this telethon like adam levin, sexiest man alive. it's pretty ironic the greatest communicator, president obama one of the smoothest charming presidents ever has to hire the sexiest man alive to sell his obama care plan. >> i think of the thought after it happens they were going to see o'reilly jesse waters go out and ask something about obama care and maybe the person might not know the answers. i don't know. >> there's a couple of quotes here of adam levins. may i reed them to you for a second? interesting. from imdb. in real life i am emotionally confused which enables me to write songs. the second one, it says, i'm intelligent enough to survive happily and be compassionate. if i were too smart, i would realize all the ills of the
worl world. >> well, maybe he's just being humble. i don't know. i don't know. maybe he's being polite. i don't know. you have to admit hollywood has enormous power. enormous power. i'm not so sure they can persuade young people to separate from their money to buy obama care they do the math they might not want it. >> the new harvard poll shows 57% of millennials do not like obama care. the thing about this, it might get attention having celebrities fro of life be a part of this tele-con but a night at the movies or concert is different than illness. we're talking serious situations here, potentially life-threatening illnesses and emergency rooms. medical care is a serious subject and a night at the concert is very different than
health care as well as the cost of a concert is very different than the monthly cost the health care will be for these young millennials. i personally don't think it will work. >> the concert january 16th on youtube, eight hours, i will give him a plug, i suspect some group onner t the other side of political spectrum might have dueling tele-cons. in that would be smart. to get republicans in show busy -- show business would be the problem. >> and then maybe they would be seeing who got more hits on youtube and which hollywood group has the greatest strength. >> true. it would be hard to beat adam levin the sexiest man alive. >> we'll see. janine, thank you as always. >> thank you, greta. >> straight ahead. an american pastor held in a brutally run prison. his wife said the obama
time to hash it out. senator cory booker making a bet on the 2016 presidential race. the stakes are delicious. his 1.4 million twitter followers sending in a tweet predicting he will make a white house run in 2016. senator booker quickly shutting him down responding five minutes later tweeting i bet you a roll of chocolate chip cookie dough i won't. a little girl sending an adorable letter to ohio police, posting a note on facebook it came from a child who mistakenly dialed 911. the very remorseful girl thank ing the police for not taking her to jail and writing in all capital letters i won't ever do
it again i promise. imagine having to guy a gift for the president. tmz tweeting joe biden, obama and i don't exchange christmas gifts. might be off the hook for the holidays but vice president biden said he does exchange birthday gifts with the president. he said he and the president both love golf and usually give each other something to do with hat hobby. coming up, the o carolout is a disaster so should someone teach the president how to say, you're fired? we know just the man for the job. donald trump is here coming up.
an american, yes, one of us, is in prison in iran, a christian pastor and the obama administration not mentioning the pastor's plight during nuclear talks. the pastor's wife is angry about that. today, taking her case to congress. >> i had anticipated that i would battle the iranian government for my husband's freedom. i never anticipated that i would also have to battle my own government and that the journey would become even much more difficult than it has been. my husband is suffering because he's a christian. he's suffering because he's an american, yet his own government did not fight for him when his captors were across the table from them. >> naghmeh abedini, nice to see
you. >> nice to see you. >> have you heard from your husband at all in the last couple of months? do you speak to him in prison? >> no. actually the iranian government has denied any communication since january of this year. >> have you had conversations with the state department to get updates on your husband to the extent they have been getting updates? >> they asked for updates after each prison visit his family and his parents make. a lot of the updates we received has been in the media he was discussed on tin the margins of the talks. >> so zero. this is essentially a zero, you're not getting any information? >> no. >> you went to congress because you were disappointed in the nuclear talks between the u.s. and iran your husband wasn't brought up. >> i think it was the best time, our best chance of leverage to have it be a precondition to nuclear talks. it would have been easy to
demand the release of the other americans. we've done a lot of good faith efforts. it would have been a good faith effort on iran's part to release the americans. >> my heart bleeds for you. we've had conversations before and i want your husband to come home yesterday. i heard secretary of state john kerry, i was totally with you, why didn't they bring him up in the discussions. i heard secretary of state john kerry say he feared the talks on the nuclear weapons issue would fall apart and your husband would be pinned to it, be part of it and less of a chance to get him out because he would be seen as a pawn in the talks. do you understand or have any thought on that? >> that's exactly why we asked not for it to be discussed during the nuclear talks but as a precondition. even before talking, before even discussing any nuclear issues to have it be a precondition they would release. we've taken actions that have shown good faith efforts from our end to have a precondition
to release the americans not involve the nuclear talks but have it be a precondition. >> do you at least think the state department is genuinely concerned about your husband? you may not agree with their path or strategy, do you have a sensor think he's discarded, just another american some place? >> i'm not confident they're still proactive in it. they haven't been transparent with me on exactly what they're doing even confidentially. i don't know what they're doing. it seems like it took months and months of pressure and a congressional hearing in march before we had any movement. even after that it has seemed like it's been a battle to get our government to really speak up about this important human rights issue and about my husband. >> they don't have someone assigned to you to constantly give you information? >> no. >> that's such a huge mistake of the state department. they should have someone constantly in touch with you saying this is what we're trying to do and what we know,
otherwise you feel abandoned. >> and the contact they had has been to get updates from me on visits. it hasn't been to reassure me there is movement to share any information with me, to let me feel assured they are working on this. >> it sure wouldn't take a lot for the state department to assign one of the many employees to do that. i wish they would do that, the humane thing to do and make it's easier on you and your children as well. anyway, nice to see you. good luck. next up, donald trump saying president obama should start saying, you're fired. sean talks to a studio youaudie tonight and so many things to talk about on hannity.
outside a brooklyn apartment building. your eyes are not deceiving you, she's twerking and did it an entire hour. turns out she was a distraction for a packager stealing from residents. >> going to a basketball game and then the players going to the concert and timberlake wishing the players a happy birthday. ♪ ♪ happy birthday to you happy birthday to -- ♪ >> looks like it was a win-win week in indiana. that's what we're watching tonight. coming up, donald trump. does he need to teach president obama how to say, you're fired? donald trump next.
there's certainly no doubt about it from the website disaster to millions of americans to losing their health care, nothing about obama care is going right yet no one has been held accountable. does president obama need to learn how to say, you're fired? donald trump joins us. good evening, donald. >> hello, greta. >> that famous phrase "you're fired" your phrase from your television success, and tell me, should president obama be using it? >> i don't like firing people and when people are incompetent and not doing their job whether it be sebelius or whoever it may be they have to expect it. if she were in a private company she would have been gone long ago, she would have been gone long before it came out. they knew there were problems with this before it came out. it's not something that people like to do but you have to do it. i'm shocked even in government
she would still be around. >> what could she possibly do now because there are experts outsourced to put this something, i could see having this earlier but we're so deep into this. is it a symbolic gesture of he person at the top? >> it can't be put back together. health care is a complex thing is this case not so complex and we have more complex things in this country and how they didn't use the great microsoft or google or any one of our incredible companies to do this and almost definitely it would have been fine, perfect. at this point, i really think websites are not easily patched. they're trying to do a patch. >> let's fix and do all sorts of things to get it going, what's happening, they're missing a lot.
security is gone and insurance companies thinking they have people they don't and people calling insurance companies and finding out they don't have coverage and thought they had it. as you know, you lost 55 million plans. it's terrible. >> we only have a minute left. i'm curious. are you more in favor of a governor who has executive experience or hasn't. would this have made any difference in your mind? >> i am in favor of having somebody who is extremely competent and smart. how about the skills set? is the job so you almost need a ceo. a lot of people who run for office come out of the senate or house and some come out of running states. >> whether you have a great business person, a great governor or great even senator, i know a lot of people don't like the idea of a senator, but somebody that is really
competent and management ability is what you need. you need it fast because our company is going to hell. >> thank you very much. >> thank you. >> thank you for being with us. just a reminder, if you are just getting home and tuning in before bill o'reilly, you just now, pick up your dvr and set your recording for "on the record" for each night, that way you never miss "on the record," so much interesting things we discuss about the news. and also online you can interact with other viewers and not just watching the show alone. good night from washington d.c. be here tomorrow night.
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