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ago. 17,138 the new record, we'll be close. very close. this is all ahead of a fed meeting tomorrow. so the dow is guessing the fed is going to say, no, we won't raise your interest rates. just a guess.ññ you're right, shep, that's exactly what they're hoping for. we'll see if it pans out. fight it over there, to stop it from coming over here. the president is now a minute away from announcing his plan to combat ebola, but can ebola be stopped in welcome everybody, busy hour for you. i'm neil cavuto. the president is expected to unveil what war told is $763 million plan to fight it, including sending 3,000 troops to west africa. morei training for doctors and healthcare workers, and at least 17 new treatment centers.
then a command and control center. sort of like ebola only cdc. from which the president is speaking moments from now in atlanta. it also includes new screening procedures for air travelers entering the u.s. and guidelines for hospitals how to deal with the disease. so, what exactly does the government know that has prompted this relative 180 turn-around as far as the needed urgency to act? we have a number of top healthcare professionals here as we wait to hear from the president. a respiratory disease specialist, appears the president may be doing this too late. a cardiologist, dr. kevin campbell, on the growing fear this virus could mutate, and the implications of this going on and on. the president now set to outline his agenda on the biggest health threat the world has seen. >> thank you for welcoming me here item.
tom and his team just gave me an update on the ebola outbreak in west africa. our efforts to help mobilize the international community to fight it, and the steps we're taking to keep people here at home safe. tom and his team are doing outstanding work between the specialists they have on the ground in west africa, and here at headquarters. they've got hundreds of professionals who are working tirelessly on this issue. this is the largest international response in the history of the cdc. after this i'll be meeting with some of these men and women, including some who recently returned from the front lines of the outbreak, and they represent public service at its very best, and so i just want them to know how much the american people appreciate them, many of them are serving far away from home, doing heroic work, and serving in unbelievably challenging
conditions, working through exhaustion, day and night, and many have volunteered to go back. so, we're very, very proud of them. their work and our efforts across the government is an example of what happens when america leads in confronting major global challenges. faced with this outbreak the world is looking to us, the united states, and it's a responsibility we embrace. we're prepared to take leadership on this to provide the kind of capabilities only america has, and tolz mobilize e world in ways that only america can do. that's what we're doing as we speak. first and form most, i want the american people to know that our experts here at the cdc and across the government agree that the chances of an ebola outbreak here in the united states are extremely low. we have been taking the necessary precautions, including working with countries in west africa, to increase screening in
airports so someone with the virus doesn't get on a plane for the united states. in the unlikely event that someone with ebola does reach our shores, we have taken new measures so that we're prepared here at home. we're working to help flight crew identify people who are capacity to quickly test for the virus. we're working with hospitals to make sure they're prepared and to ensure our doctors, nurses, and our medical staff are trained, are ready, and are able to deal with a possible case safely. and here i've got to commend everybody at emory university hospital. i just had the opportunity to meet with members of the team, and the nurses who -- sorry, doctors, having been in hospitals i know they're the ones really degree work, and i had chance to thank them for
their extraordinary efforts in helping to provide care for the first americans who recently contracted the disease in africa. the first two of those patients were released last month and continue to improve. and it's a reminder for the american people that should any cases appear in the united states, we have world-class facilities and professionals ready to respond and we have effective surveillance mechanisms in place. i should mention, bier the way, i -- by the way i had chance to see dr. brantley in the oval office this morning, and although he is still having to gain back weight, he looks great, looks strong, and we are incredibly grateful to him and his family for the services that he has rendered to people who are a lot less lucky than all of us. as we all know, however, west africa is facing a very different situation.
ep+5áá)jz the hardest hit liberia, sierra leon and begin -- guinea. more than 2400 men, women and children are known to have died, and we strongly suspect that the actual death toll is higher than that. hospitals, clinics, and the few treatment centers that do exist have been completely overwhelmed. and an already very weak public health system is near collapse in these countries. patients are being turned away. and people are literally dying in the streets. here's the hard truth. in west africa, ebola is now an epidemic. of the like wes have not seen before. it's spiraling out of control. it is getting worse. it's spreading faster and exponentially. today thousands of people in
west africa are infected. that number could rapidly grow to tens of thousands. and if the outbreak is not stopped now, we could be looking at hundreds of thousands of people infected with profound political and economic and security implications for all of us. so this is an epidemic that is not just a threat to regional security, it's a potential threat to global security if these countries break down, if their economies break down and people panic. that has profound affects on all of us, even if we are not directly contracting the disease. that's why two months ago i directed my team to make this a national security priority. we're working this across our entire government, which is why i'm joined by leaders throughout my administration, including from my national security team. and we have devoted significant resources in support of our
strategy, with for are four goals in mind. in number one to control the outbreak. number two, to address the ripple effected of local economies and communities to prevent a trulylñ massive humanitarian disaster. number three to coordinate a broader global response, and number four, to urgently build up a public health system in these countries for the future. not just in west africa but in countries that don't have a lot of resources generally. this is a daunting task. but here's what gives us hope. the world knows how to fight this disease. it's not a mystery. we know the science. we know how to prevent it from spreading. we know how to care for those who contract it. we know that if we take the proper steps, we can save lives. but we have to act fast. we can't dawdle on this one. we have to move with force and
make sure that we are catching this as best we can, given that it has already broken out in ways that we had not seen before. so, today i'm announcing a major increase in our response. at the request of the liberian government we're going to establish a military command center? liberia to support civilian every times across the region, similar to our response after the haiti earthquake. it's going toby major general, general williams, a commander of army forces in africa. he just arrived today and is now on the ground in liberia, and our forces are going to bring their expertise and command and control and logistics and engineering, and our department of defense is better at that, our armed services aresbetter at that, than any organization on earth. we're going to create an air bridge to get health workers and medical supplies into west africa faster. we're going to establish a
staging area in senegal to help distribute personnel and aid on the ground more quickly. we're going to create a new training site to train thousands of health workers so they can effectively and safely care for more patients. personnel from the u.s. public health service will deploy to the new field hospitals that we're setting up in liberia, and usaid will join with international partners and local communities in a community care campaign to distribute supplies and information kits to hundreds of thousands of families so they can better protect themselves.p we're also going to build additional treatment units, including new isolation spaces and more than a thousand beds, and in all our efforts the safety of our personnel will remain a top priority. meanwhile, our scientists coin their urgent research in the hope of finding new treatments and perhaps vaccines. and today i'm calling on congress to approve the funding we have requested, so that we
can carry on with all these critical efforts. today the united states is doing even more but this is a global threat and demands a truly global response. international organizations just have to move faster than they have up until this point. more nations need to contribute experienced personnel, supplies, and funding that is needed, and they need to deliver on what they pledge quickly. charities. and individual fill anthropists have given generously and can make a big difference, and so we're not restrict these efforts to governmental organizations. we also need ngos and private philanthropies to work with us in a coordinated fashion in order to maximize the impact of our response. this week the united states will chair an emergency meeting of the u.n. security council. next week i'll join u.n. secretary general ban ki-moon to
continue mobilizing the international community around this effort. then at the white house we're growing to bring more nations together to strengthen our global health security so we can better prevent, detect and respond to future outbreaks before the become endim maybes. this is -- epidemics. we announced this atv@ the g-7 meeting. we determined this has to be a top priority. this is before the ebola outbreak. we anticipated the fact that in many of these countries, with a weak public health system, if we don't have more effective surveillance, more effective facilities on the ground, and are not helping poor countries in developing their abilities to catch these things quickly, that there was at least the potential of seeing these kinds of outbreaks, and sadly we now see that our predictions were correct. it gives more urgency to this
effort, a global health initiative we have been publishing internationally. let me just close by saying this. the scenes we're witnessing in west africa today are absolutely gut-wrenching. in one account we read bat financially in liberia, the disease already killed the father, the mother was cradling a sick and listless five-year-old son. her other son-ten years old, was dying, too. they finally reached a treatment center but couldn't get in. and said a relative were just sitting. these men and women and children are just sitting. waiting to die. right now. and it doesn't have top way. the reality is that this epidemic is going to get worse before it gets better, but right now, the world still has an opportunity to save countless lives. right now. the world has the responsibility
to act, to step up and to do more. the united states of america intends to do more. we are going to keep leading in this effort. we're going to do our part and continue to make sure that the world understands the need for them to step alongside us as well in order for us to not just save the lives of families like the one i just discussed but ultimately to make sure that this doesn't have the kind of spillover effects that become even more difficult to control. so, thank you very much to the entire team that is already doing this work. and please know that you have your president and commander in chief behind you. thank you. >> the president embarking on what will announce as the largest international response in dealing with the country's cdc. the president urging that we send 3,000 american troops to west africa, to help come boot
the disease -- combat the disease and help those who are combating the disease help says the chances of an ebola outbreak here in the u.s. are extremely low but nevertheless the heightened sense of urgency after fairly conservative approach and&q toned-down reacts to ebola on the part of washington in general, does have some wondering what do the feds know now they weren't saying before? respiratory disease specialist dr. george with, and cardiologist, dr. kevin campbell. dr. campbell, what do you make another oft of what the pratt said? >> i'm worried it's too little to late. would have been wonderful to have this type of activity month and a half ago. we aloud this disease to replicate in africa and it may beck endemic, meaning we may never eradicated it from that area, which allows it to likely spread to other locations in africa and beyond. >> for now, dr. george, that is
not happened. largely containedded to the african continent. so, a lot of americans hear this and say, there's no need to worry. why do folks like you worry, then? >> i worry because we're in a area here where people can travel, and travel throughout the world has picked up dramatically. airline travel. travel for business. pleasure. and what people used to be confined to a continent is no longer the case. we have students coming over. we really don't know. we can't say with certainty whether or not the virus will exchange may become airborne and that's that's whole different ball game. >> it hasn't become air born but it has mew tighted a number of time -- mutated a number of times we're told. dr. campbell, the next leap to becoming ashe -- airborne, is
there more worry when the victims spread out to urban areas, and now some of the latest victims have been for more people concentrated areas? >> that's a good question. one of the things that it want you to know ist+ecently this week, in the journal of science, they looked at how many times ebola has mutated since the inception of this outbreak. believe it or not, first 24 days there were over 400 mutations. for it to mutate and become airborne would be highly unlikely because of the fact it would have to mutate in several different ways. have to grow in our airways. it's not much impact whether it's densely populated or beyond but this is something we have to jump on quickly and should have acted much earlier than we have already. >> doctors, as an ear, nose and throat specialist, dr. george, do you heed or do you tell your patients anything differently
about the incue base period for something like this, it takes 21 days, you can be on a plane, not be evidencing any symptoms and all of a sudden you have problems? how do you prepare patients for that when they travel in and out of the this region or travel period? >> well, the first thing is to worry about just your personal hygiene. making sure you protect your immune system and somehow help rev it up. that's the best prevention that you can do. keep your hand clean. make sure you eat properly. make sure if you can, eat organic food andñu stay away frm crowds where there may be people who are ill. that's the first line of defense. and i just want to take a step back. i agree. i'm glad this is happening but i only wish it could have happened sooner. i still think we should be more aggressive how people travel because it is a 2 1-day incue base period. people can pass through airports and not know. it would be interesting if we
actually quarantine people for 21 days before tear they're allowed to fly from these areas. >> whir are if you're from an area, 21 days before. >> yes. >> interesting. >> that would be safe. >> might be a good strategy. thank you both very much. >> thank you for having me. >> back to the basic issue, how does ebola become a threat? depends on how many slip into the country with it, intentionally or not 2. hundred thousand people from affected countries reportedly have visas to come to the united m-betsy mckoy says it's probably time to freeze those visas. the better side of caution. >> that's right. because as the disease expands exponentially, which it's doing now, that increases the likelihood that someone, knowingly or unknowingly, will get on an airplane and come to
the it's, and our hospitals here are not prepared to handle the unknowingly carrying ebola patient. >> anything the president outlined today address that? that has been a criticism. it would involve getting the right personnel, the right -- >> the right equipment, for example. not -- most hospital does not have the kind of isolation facilities that emory university has, the hospital that handled the first two victims who came back from africa. and flight attendants and other people who work on the planes would also be exposed. i have here the cdc guidelines for airline personnel, and it tells airline personnel if someone on the flight is vomiting or shows signs of illness, wear goggles, protective clothing, a imagination mores airline attendants are not prepared for that and i should think the airline unions would be speaking
out. some airlines, like air france, suspended travelsell several weeks ago, but more airline attendants and personnel should be concerned about their own safety, and they're being asked to clean up the vomit or other badly fluids a seriously ill ebola victim might leave on thex airplane -- >> which has killed people in liberia. >> absolutely and they're not prepared for that. >> the president has now targeted ebola as the front page and front and center concern of house. many credittics will say wheror were you a couple of weeks ago when you said we don't need to world. now the> -- as far as this version of this ebola, it has never been worse. and we just hope to never -- get it here.
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isis is making up to two to three million dollars per day from this elicit oil trade. it's major cash cow for them. i think what we need to do right now is get tough with turkey, in southern turkey is where a lot of these elicits oil smuggling route goes through. eye -- we have satellite surveillance, we see the tankers going into southern turkey. turkey is suppose plated to ally. president obama has spoken fondly of turkey, assist said they're a force for moderation in the middle east. well, turkey is basically turning a blind eye as this elicit oil trade goes on, and by the way, turkey has also turned a blind eye as thousands of foreign fighters have transited their country over the border into syria and iraq, to join isis. >> do we know who is buying the oil? >> good question, neil.
some think that even the turkish government, the high levels in turkey, are benefiting from the elicit oil trade. these are long-established smuggling routes, been around since the first gulf war in iraq, syria, iran, southern turkey, and isis is benefiting in major, major way. they seized oil fields in eastern syria, in northern iraq. it's become a major, major factor for them. but they have multiple sources of income. extortion, when they conquer a city,ue taxing local businesses, taking over the banks. when they conquered mosul, they bank, also $400 million out of kidnapping, ransoms. we don't pay ransom here in the u.s. but european countries are more than willing to step up and pay isis ransom0s to get their hostages back. so multiple revenue streams here, but oil is a begin one, and i can't stress enough,
turkey can do something about this. this is a nato country. if we pressure tumor are turkey, the q leastrope, they can at[ try to secure the border but they're not. >> one last dumb question, you're very patient with such questions. let's say we can freeze isis getting anymore money, or cashing out for anymore oil or selling it. they still have a lot of money. apparently they were running around -- some with huge bags of cash. i thought they were making this stuff up but apparently intelligence suggests theyuz do. so i they have the money. so we might succeed in stopping them getting more money but they still have a lot of money. right? >> they do. and another issue is private donors in the persian gulf. i'm talking about qatar and kuwait and saudi arabia in particular. you have wealthy private donors who are funneling money to
isis -- >> they're the big funders. they're really -- >> major funding. it started after 9/11 with al qaeda. now they shifted their funds in many cases to isis. isis is the new power on the block. but if we can really put a dent in that isis financing, i'd like to see what happens, because thus far, isis has not had the squeeze put on it. they had a strong fighting force but anywhere not invincible. we put the full might of the u.s. military and other means behind it we can crush this group rather quickly. >> hope prevails. eric, thank you very much. >> thank you, neil. >> homeland security is not saying that isis is a threat at our border right now. republican senator john mccain is getting very different answers and very different reports today. just how worried are we? those bad guys sneak through.
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i'm always concerned about -- is that a. >> is that a serious concern ofous. >> we have to always look -- >> understand, you think we have to improve our border security, especially on the southern border. >> we can improve our border security. >> didden john mccain get the answer he wanted? what did you make of what defense secretary was telling you? >> well, it was sort of symptomatic of the entire hearing. waffleleing and nonanswers to the questions. the reason why i asked is because in a hearing a couple of days ago, with the department of homeland security, one of the witnesses, who was directly in charge of border security, said that there is a real concern about one of these or more of these terrorists who would come
across our southern border, and nbis not secure.southern border they have already announced on twitter and on facebook that they want to do everything they can to attack the united states of america, so if the southern border is not secure, obviously that would be one of the avenues to achieve that, and which leads me to believe that we have to have 90% effective control of the border and 100% situational awareness before we move forward with comprehensive immigration reform. this new isis threat has really heightened, in my view think necessity for a secure border which we don't have. >> when home lean security made the isis -- homeland security mace the isis remark, do you think they were doing a little prehiney covering that god forbid something happened. we're out there saying it's a worry, we're watching?
it came out of nowhere. >> since i posed the question with retired army general who works there for the secretary#tf homeland security, he is a very honest man and i think he was giving me a pretty straightforward answer as opposed the one got from the secretary of defense. >> you have been critical of rand paul, and i think in one line you said, hasn't even been to syria. so when you hear him say that hillary clinton would have botched it big-time had she gotten her way a year ago and we had funded the rebels who were trying to topple assad, he more or less said i think i got the gist -- that you would be funding what would be a modern-day isis, running syria today. what did you think of that? >> i think it's a fundamental lack of understanding of the situation and the threats we face. senator paul has obviously being
doing some somersaults as this beheadings took place and the american people's opinion has shifted rather dramatically. he has even said i met with isis, which is a patently false -- in fact isis called me the number one enemy when i win to syria and met with these brave young men, some of whom are dead now. so, it's -- i think it's kind of a desperation kind of trying to find some footing here as he slides down a very steep slope of credibility. >> do you think he is trying to just divorce himself from his more libertarian roots, his fathers roots, a no interventionist typeqç policy, that isn't going jibe well in a presidential run, this is all political? >> i don't know. it's very clear that he has presidential amibitions. >> think he would be a good commander in chief? >> not on national security, no. nor did i believe his father would, either.
he is dramatically shifted his positions on national security. he said we shouldn't intervene, no matter what, anywhere, and now obviously he wants to take out isil. well, if you want to take out isis you have to take certain measures and that means serious american involvement. >> he has said that the distinction here is that if it's an immediate threat by all means engage. you say he is just trying to double-talk. >> no. i just say i don't think he understands the nature of the threat, and i don't think he understands how serious it is and how, if we allow them to continue to metastasize and control a territory the size of the state of indiana, with hundreds of millions of dollars, equipment, and now attracting thousands from all over the world, much less the mideast,
that they do, as our intelligence experted toll us, pose a direct threat to the united states. we can't wait until there's another attack. to say -- obviously. >> do you trust senator paul? >> it's not a matter of trust. it's matter of whether i agree or disagree with his view of the role of america in the world, just as i disagreed with his father's views. >> i'm saying, do you trust he has a grasp on matters of war, matters of foreign policy or is he out of his element? >> i don't think he has -- certainly not my view so deliver don't think the has a good grasp of the nature of the threat that we are facing here. it enormous, in fact it was secretary hagel himself who said we haven't seen anything like this. this is a fundamental threat to the security of the united states, which, again, is not just my opinion.
that's the director of homeland security that -- >> do you think it opened up maybe a crack that had been there and a worry among some that the possible republican presidential plank, at least the a-list names which are mentioned, they're weak in this area, chris christie said that i'll address this if it comes time when i should, or6g somethg like that, but they take a path on these issues or go through these verbal somersaults. is% that a weakness in the republican presidential wanna-bes as you see it right now? >> as i see it right now, i believe that we have some highly qualified candidates in that they've got the right instinct, the right outlook, the right perception and belief in the role of the united states in the world, which is diametrically opposite from that or barack obama, and like ronald reagan,
they can surround themselves with some of the really smart people that if they got the right instincts and the right principles about america's role in the world they can get their smartest advice they can. anybody i see on the horizon who is steeped in national security issues? not particularly but i see a number of candidates who i think would do the right thing, just as reagan did, who came from being governor of california, as you know, with not a great deal of national security experience. >> you have faith that chris christie or rand paul -- >> sure -- >> or ted cruz get that kind of expertise? >> actually i think that ted cruz has been pretty good on some of this aspect of this crisis. >> really. >> i think that -- i think he has been pretty strong. i think that -- >> more so than rapid paul? >> oh, yes, of course. ofãcourse. >> do you guys not like each other? i'm getting a vibe here. >> no. i've always gotten along with
him fine. it's not a matter of personality. i just think when he proposed a budget and wanted to cut the defense budget in half a couple years ago there, was a disagrandma. wasn't anything to -- disagreement. wasn't anything to do with personality. i do believe we have a number of candidates out there governors, and others, as well as members of the senate, who have the right instincts, have the right ideas, who can flesh that out -- there are lot of smart people in form a great team, just at ronald reagan formed a great team, with people like jim baker and cap weinberger and really great people he surrounds himself in and was able to win the colored war without firing a shot. >> senator you have that expertise now. you're a spry 70 something. >> well, as i mentioned on another show, pale --
>> i thought i could get that in there, but you were one step ahead of me. senator, very good. nothing along with being pale, take it from me. john mccain, in our nation's capitol. he does speak his mind. >> thank you. >> who says we actually have to find more cash could fund this ebola fight? the congressman who says, we already have it.
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things he'd need for it -- this congressman has no problem for extra money but says we don't need to go to extra places to fine it. the money is already there michael burgess has another idea. >> thank you for having me. make no mistake, this is a very, very serious situ!eujy and probably one most frightening things have ever seen, certainly in the public health arena, the ebola outbreak in western africa. $88 million, okay. that's fine. but one over things people forget is very deep within the recesses of the affordable care act is something called the prevention fund, and on october 1st, the first day of the next fiscal year, it replenishes to the tune of $2 billion. historically the secretary of hhs has not spent this money on
things that many of us consider them not worthwhile. here is a threat to our national security, to global security, if there is ever a need for prevention fund, here it is, and i would just question why, if we're talking about reprogramming money and reprogramming money within the defense department, why don't we reprogram some of the $2 billion that is automatically appropriated the first of every fiscal year into the so-called prevention fund. that would be a good use of the money and would give the president significant credibility on this issue. i watched his news conference. i take him at his word. this is a very serious situation. the world health organization -- don't want to be politically incorrect but the global outreach of the w.h.o. would not exist, it would be nonbiz, without the senators for disease control. >> do you know what changed to prompt this what appears to be a 180 in response to the severity
of ebola? i had a couple of top doctors ds who said we're glad you're here but you're late because tis mushrooming out of control. do you agree with that? >> absolutely. and i have been doing calls with the cdc since late july, because of the concerns for them. some people thought, and because of thek+ past behavior of outbreaks in this area of this virus, it would burn itself out there would be a point at which critical mass would not be achieved into it go away. doesn't appear it's happening. the last month the number of deaths doubled. one of the things that really concerns me is 10% of the deaths are healthcare workers, people on the front lines who we are depending upon to fight this illness, are dying off because of the illness. >> that's scary stuff. you worry about the soldiers going over there, too, hope all precautions are taken. congressman, thank you as all.
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all right, what are they in for? those 3,000 troops who are headed to west africa to deal with this ebola virus. according to the doctor who just returned from the region, it is more than an outbreak, it's breaking fast. what are they in for, doctor? >> well, the conditions on the ground have been existing for some time, namely the public health system is completely broken. 90% of people don't have indoor
plumbing or flowing water, so you have a quarter of the population that defecates out in the open. it's just a recipe for a lot of disease. and now with the rainy season and these torrential rains that also creates some problems, not just in spreading disease, but in difficulty in people moving from place to place because the roads become washed out. >> and are these soldiers we're sending, doctor, endangered? >> well, there are always risks associated with any sort of mission. but they are very well equipped and used to working in all sorts of terrain and they won't be primarily taking care of ebola patients, but doing the command, control and logistics which is sorely needed there. >> doctor, you know what i ask, a lot of guys in hazmat suits contracted this.
so i'm wondering whether, at least in that region where you just came from, it is out of control and it is spreading to more urban areas and it is spreading away from you are bang villages and hut areas, is that true and is that a worry? >> yes, that is true, monrovia, a city of more than a million people, they're living in close quarters and have a lot of activity as a result of people being jammed into taxi cabs or taking motor bike rides. but this is not an airborne illness, and it can't be transmitted just by being in close proximity to somebody. it requires actually touching someone with ebola. >> when you talk to others who fear it could become airborne and since it has mus mutated qua
few times already, they're worried enough to say it's a possibility. you seem to be saying, it is not, at least at this stage? >> i'm saying it's a possibility. but i think that's all conjecture and theoretical, what we know right now is, we know how to stop this outbreak by using good, public health measures. # if a person has a disease, they need to be put in a treatment center. right now unfortunately, there are only 300 treatment beds in all of liberia, a country of 4.5 million. so we need to scale up the number of treatment beds, that's one of the things that the military will be doing, building these centers and then they'll be training workers to staff these particular centers. >> all right, doctor, thank you for all you've done to try to deal with this directly, at great personal risk to yourself. all right, so now you know what
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