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money for local children's charities. that is it for us here in washington. "fox news sunday" is up next. thanks always for watching us sunday on fox news when more news is always on the way. i'm chris wallace. a gunman kills two new york city policemen. he says to avenge the deaths of eric garner and michael brown. and u.s. officials are calling the cyber attack on hollywood one of the gravest national security dangers we face. >> we cannot have a society in which some dictator some place can start imposing censorship here in the united states. >> how will the u.s. respond to the hacking attack on sony pictures? and how vulnerable is the u.s. to cyber warfare from north korea and other countries? we'll ask the chair of the house intelligence committee mike rogers who says we need much
stronger fire walls against this growing threat. then, the u.s. and cuba end a cold war that lasted half a century. >> suddenly cuba is open to the world. in ways it has not been before. >> this president has to be the worst negotiator we've ever had. and he has betrayed, betrayed those cubans that have worked so hard and sacrificed so much. >> two members of the senate foreign relations committee will debate the president's opening to cuba. republican ron johnson and democrat ben cardin. plus, jeb bush moves one giant step closer to running for president. how does his early announcement shift the landscape for 2016? our sunday group weighs in. all right now on "fox news sunday." hello again from fox news in washington. first, some breaking news. a gunman has shot and killed two
new york city police officers execution-style, after vowing on social media to retaliate for the deaths of michael brown and eric garner. fox news correspondent brian menace -- lenas, sorry. >> the killer posting images on instagram of his semi-automatic weapon and blood stained pants suggesting the shootings were in revenge for michael brown and eric garner at the hands of police. writing, quote, i'm putting wings on pigs today. they take one of ours. let's take two of their theirs, #shootthepolice, #rip mikebrown. police say this man ismaaiyl brinsly shooting officers
winjian liu and raphael ramos and earlier he shot and seriously wounded his girlfriend before going to brooklyn. police commissioner bill bratton says the officers were, quote, targeted for their uniform. >> today two of new york's finest were shot and killed with no warning, no provocation. they were quite simply assassinated. >> the shooting fueling tension between nypd and mayor bill de blasio. they say de blasio basically threw police under the bus by not backing the officer in the choking of eric garner. last night police officers turned his back on the mayor when he visited the families of the fallon officers.
>> we tried to warn. it must not go on. it cannot be tolerated. that blood on the hands starts on the steps of city hall in the office of the mayor. >> the president briefed while on vacation in hawaii issued a statement urging calm while unconditionally condemning the murders. >> thanks for that. president obama has now directly blamed north korea for the cyber attack on sony pictures. and he promised a proportional response. but what does that mean and how vulnerable are we to cyber warfare? we'll talk with congressman mike rogers, chair of the house intelligence committee in a moment. but first, fox news chief intelligent correspondent catherine brings us up to date. >> the sony attack is believed to be the first time destructive malware targeted a corporation in the u.s. and now hackers physically destroy data and
systems. similar to the hack on banks with the sony attack led the fbi to conclude north korea was a principle in both. a bureau statement reads north korea's actions were intended to inflict significant harm on a u.s. business. the president went further saying sony was wrong to pull the movie "the interview" starring james franco and seth rogen because it silenced free speech. >> i'm sympathetic to the concerns that they faced. having said all that, yes, i think they made a mistake. or even worse imagine if producers and distributors and others start engaging in self-censorship. >> sony's president said they
had few options after theaters started dropping out. a petition by actor george clooney to support sony and the film's release failed to gather signatures with the actor telling deadline hollywood not a single person in his industry would sign up. an entertainment source told fox that sony even took the film to major online streaming companies and they all refused to run the movie. chris? >> catherine, thank you. now, let's bring in the chair of the house intelligence committee mike rogers. welcome back. >> thanks for having me. >> the fbi used very tough language to describe this hack attack. let's put it up on the screen. north korea's attack on sony pictures entertainment reaffirms that cyber threats pose one of the greatest national security dangers to the united states. two confess, how serious was the attack? do you regard this, in a sense, as an act of war? >> well, you can't necessarily say an act of war. we don't have good, clear policy
guidance on what that means when it comes to cyber attacks. let's back up. russia attacked estonia. iran attacked saudi arabia. clearly a destruction on the saudi arabia, destroyed 30,000 computers, wiped and destroyed data. we kept warning, those that have been paying attention to this, this is coming to the united states. probably sooner than later. what you saw awas a nation state who engaged in trying to really destroy an american company and then took it to the broader level of using threats of violence in order to get their political will. this was a nation state attack on the united states and saying aloha and get, on an airplane and going to hawaii is not the answer the world needs. >> the president promises there will be consequences. >> they caused a lot of damage. we will respond.
we will respond proportionally and we'll respond in a place and time and manner we choose. >> so, how tough should he get with north korea? >> unfortunately, he's laid out a little of the playbook before we've done anything. that press conference should have been, here's the actions we took on north korea's action and here's what we're going to continue to do. right now, trust me, our intelligence services, the folks who would be responsible for at least the first wave of trying to make sure they don't have the capability to do this again, were ready. they have the capability. they were ready to go. the problem here was not the fact that we didn't have a capability to do something nearly in immediate time, we just didn't get a decision from the president of the united states. >> wait. are you saying we should launch a cyber attack to take out their cyber warfare capabilities? >> i'm saying f you're talking about a proportional attack it should be at least proportional. the united states has the capability to make it very
difficult for the north koreans to do an attack like this any time soon. >> take out their cyber infrastructure. >> i'll let you define what that looks like. they have the capability to do it. here's the problem. so, there was lots of discussions last week about what this looks like. do you not acknowledge -- do you take an initial step and then acknowledge? by acknowledging it and then laying out to say, we're going to do something in the future, you have diminished the capabilities that we can engage in this particular -- >> why? because they can protect themselves? >> for a whole host of reasons i can't get into in detail but you just limited your ability to do something. just calling north korea out isn't going to be enough. i argue you have to ramp up sanctions. it needs to be serious and significant. remember, a nation state was threatening violence. forget the fact there was the hollywood drama of this particular event. they went into a company and they used something called a wiper virus. they wiped out data. if you're at home thinking, how does this affect me? this is hollywood. who cares? the problem is, what if it's
your car company you work for? what if it's a bank you work for or a bank you have transactions with and that data is gone, it's destroyed. i can't tell me how much money i have in the bank. that's how serious this is. >> what you're saying is they took cyber action against us. we need to take cyber actions in retaliation. >> i'm not going to say exactly specifically but i can tell you we have the capability to make this very difficult for them in the future. at least in the near term. but i don't think that's enough. this was a nation state who attacked an american company and then threatened violence in that second order against people who would go to the movie. take the movie part out of it. this is the fact they were willing to threaten acts of violence against u.s. citizens in the united states. this is a country that tested nuclear weapons as late as last year. >> you talk about the effect this could have on all of us.
the federal is now banned from helping private companies build up stronger fire walls to prevent cyber attacks. in fact, you sponsored a bill that passed the house last year that would have made it easier for the government to cooperate and deal with private companies to protect themselves against this kind of threat. it passed the house. it did not pass the senate because privacy advocates were worried about more abuses from big brother, if you will. on the internet. question, did those privacy advocates in this new world that we've seen postseason y do they need to get over those concerns? >> i think a healthy concern is a good thing. we accommodated those concerns in the bill. that's why we got a bipartisan vote in the house of representatives on a bill that does simply this. it allows the nsa and other agencies who go overseas and collect malicious source code, that nasty stuff that hurts season y that could hurt your bank, could hurt your job.
they protect the government networks but were prohibited from sharing that with the private sector. 80% of companies out there -- the nsa is not monitoring those 85% of the networks. they're private networks. this would have allowed them to share malicious source code so they could protect themselves. so, we built in all the protections for civil liberties. again, this isn't about reading your e-mail. it's about stopping ma lishgs source codes. zeros and ones in a configuration that do nasty things to your computer and your information and are highly disruptive. >> there was a different kind of terror attack this week in australia. an iranian held 17 people hostage in a sydney cafe for 16 hours before police finally stormed the place. it reminded people of the lone gunman who attacked the canadian parliament as well as the man in new york who attacked police there with a loj. how big a threat are lone
wolves? do you distinguish between the committed jihadist, one thinks immediately of someone like nadal hassan at ft. hood, and some of these cases which seem to be deranged, sick individuals who kind of latch on to islamic teachings as a kind of cause or a script. >> hard to argue you're not a de ranged individual if you're inspired to chop someone's head off. don't care if you're stable one day and not stable the next day. same as loeb wolf candidates. earlier in australia which fundamentally changed theth way we saw isil or d.a.s.h. operate, they had people identified in aus tlal yeah who were going to come to fight in syria. they made a significant change. they called back and said, no, don't come. got plenty of people coming. stay in australia. randomly kidnap people. chop their heads off, film it and we'll use it for propaganda purposes. that is a fundamental change. so, if they're doing it in that
case you know they're pushing out this notion to inspire others to commit these actses. canada, germany, france, united states, great britain. it's getting worse. not better. >> final lishgs let's discuss your committee's reported, house intelligence report on benghazi, as you know has gotten a lot of criticism, including from some commentators here on fox news. the committee found -- let's put this on the screen. no evidence that there was -- that there was either a stand down order or a denial of veilable air support to prevent rescuing u.s. personnel. here are two security contractors who were at the cia anext and say they were prevented from going to the consulate to rescue u.s. personnel there. here they are speaking both before and after your report. >> i said, hey, we need to get over it. we're losing the initiative.
bob looked straight at me and said, stand down. you need to wait. >> we feel our words have not been recognized or used as validation for what took place that night. i don't know how you cannot use our words. we're the eyewitnesss there. >> they say there was a stand down order. chairman, why don't believe them? >> he they were clearly told to wait. they acted very bravely that particular evening. on sworn testimony, including those who have gone on tv, it's very clear they went through the line of questioning of no stand down order. they were told to wait, which was a tactical decision on behalf of leader to get more information about when they should go and if they can get more arms to go. i argue that's very, very different. this very bright line -- well, there was a stand down order or not, in this particular case. remember, we interviewed contractors who are now public. we also interviewed security
contractors who are still working overseas who provided sworn testimony and witness testimony and as a former fbi agent, bank robberies, other things, sometimes in a high adrenaline impokt impact, people's versions are a little different. the goal here is no piece of information could go forward unless it was substantiated or corroborated. that was done in the report. by the way, the report was very narrow. there are serious questions yet to be answered and -- >> you've also been criticized for going he's on administration's talking points, susan rice came on this and four other sunday talk shows and said, that this was all a spontaneous protest that when violent, it wasn't a planned terror attack. your report says the process used to generate the talking points was flawed and mistakes were made in the process of how those talking points were developed.
critics say you're ignoring the fact or glossing over the fact that this was in effect political damage control in the midst of president obama's re-election campaign. >> well, that part we wouldn't have been able to get at because it was beyond the scope of the report. most. people who are out publicly beating up the report have never read the report and they've never accessed the classified arch annex and the classified evidence, including some members even on the committee. >> let me ask you a quick question. do you think this was political damage control by the obama administration? >> what i believe and the report -- two very separate things. >> i'm asking what you think. >> i do believe the administration used -- the way they tried to present the facts for their own political purposes. and i believe that in the state department, we have very little answers in what happened in the state department. remember, my committee was only to do the lane of intelligence on the ground.
so our report only did the intelligence laying. didn't do the state department. didn't do d.o.d. >> it's hard for me not to come to that conclusion. again, my report, the committee report, was only for the intelligence. i do believe that people in the state department have not yet been held accountable. i believe in expeditionary diplomacy. i believe in putting these folks in tough circumstances. >> people in the state department haven't been held accountable including secretary state clinton? >> again, the investigation needs to determine that. that's where i think the committee can get at. state department where we've had no answers and in the white house security council we've had no -- >> you believe those are unresolved issues? >> i do. >> chairman rogers, thank you for coming in. merry christmas. good luck with your new career where you join us and you'll be a radio talk show host. good luck. >> thank you, chris. merry christmas to you and your family. i'll see you on the radio real soon. >> through go, see you on the
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sony's a corporation. it suffered significant damage. there were threats against its employees. having said all that, yes, i think they made a mistake. >> president obama surprisingly strong criticism of sony pictures for pulling the controversial film "the interview" under pressure from income. it's time for our sunday group. syndicated columnist george
will, judith woodruff, liz cheney and juan williams. george, did sony make a mistake? what should they have done when the movie chain said they wouldn't run the movie and how do you see this as a threat to the security of this country? >> the president says rightly you cannot have a free society if a dictator imposes censorship on us. north korea does not have the power, unless it has sleeper cells to act against every ciniplex. it happens all the time and i wish the president would come to the party and talk about it. there are fro two great citadels unchallenged. hollywood and college campuses. college campuses constantly restrict free speech, not to have your intellectual serenity
disturbed or your feelings hurt. hams all the time. so, when this occurred sony had no vocabulary, no philosophical basis for pushing back. that said, you have to sympathize with them because they're operating in an arera a place with no protocols or at least some understanding. was this not an account of war? the president is understandably to comment on that. the united states was probably involved in using a computer virus to physically damage iran's nuclear weapons program. good but dangerous. >> we asked you for questions for the panel. we got several. in fact, a number who were outraged by sony's decision to pull the picture. let's put a few up on the screen. lisa winters-rogers said this on
facebook. if we give into them, north korea, about a movie, what's next? we got this on twitter from roscoe, i don't know if i can ask a question. i have to ask north korea first. judy, how do you answer roscoe and lisa? >> well, sony backed down. they said the reporting in the last day or so is they are going to find a way to get this film out there. it may be live screaming or video streaming, video on demand, netflix. as george said, you have to appreciate the dilemma they were in. 80% of theaters said, we're not going to run this movie. now the question is, what is the american response going to be? this is a serious attack. and the u.s. has to respond. it's not just a hack. they were using blackmail. the administration has no choice but to do something. >> let's talk about that. president obama does promise a response. some are suggesting he put north korea back on the list of state
sponsors of terrorism. others are suggesting we once again freezes all transactions with a bank in macaw, which has acted as a money launderer to provide oodles of cash for the kim regime. liz, it turns out that both of those were sanctions that were in place but were taken off during the bush/cheney administration. were you guys too soft on north korea? >> i think the north korea policy in the latter half of the bush administration didn't work. it was primary state department pushing this notion. secretary rice signed the document removing them from the terrorist list over the objections of the office of the vice president and others. but, yes, i think north korea has clearly been a challenge for administrations for many years now. you've seen this pattern of lying, deceiving, cheating. they did it to the clinton administration, when they signed agrooet greed framework in 1994. they did it to the bush administration when we were so
anxious to get an agreement on their plutonium nuclear program. this is an opportunity now for this president, somebody said this week, that he knows how to confront dictators and not just coddle them. i think putting them back on the terrorist list, working with the europeans to get swift, to stop approving financial transactions, designating them money laundering concern, all of these steps could be taken that would both send the signal we take seriously, this attack on sony and would help us with respect to our standing in the world and credibility with respect to other dictatorships in rogue states. >> juan, how tough should we get with north korea? >> how tough should we get with china? i think china is their patron in this situation. you have to realize north korea doesn't have the capability to do a serious attack on sony. i think what they had to do was to have some help from inside of china. china helps north korea to exist. i mean, north korea could not exist without china.
they are a helping hand. the question is, u.s.'s relationship with china and how much pressure are are we willing to put on the chinese? edward snowden when he was first busted, it looked like he was gaining information on what we were able to do against china. and don't forget we have indicted against the china for launched hack attacks on american entities. you don't want to start a war over this. let's not go crazy. i think president obama's right when he says this is cyber vandalism, not an act of war. you have to understand the broader consequences. therefore, i would stand with liz cheney. let's go after the banking transactions. maybe that's a proportional response. >> thank you, panel. what do you think? how should sony pictures have handled north korea's threat? let me know on facebook or twitter @foxnewssunday and use
after a half century of cold war sanctions, president obama has opened a new chapter in relations between the u.s. and cuba. joining us now to debate this dramatic shift in policy, two members of the foreign senate committee. from wisconsin republican senator ron johnson and from florida maryland senator ben cardin. let's start with the big picture. president obama says a half a century of sanctions, of isolation of cuba just hasn't worked. here he is. >> i don't anticipate overnight changes. but what i know deep in my bones is that if you've done the same thing for 50 years and nothing's changed, you should try something different if you want
a different outcome. >> senator johnson, i guess that's the question, why not engage cuba? why not expose it to western values and western capitalism, especially as the country is about to go through a generational change from the castro brothers? >> your panel is talking about north korea. we relaxed sanctions on north korea. we relaxed sanctions on iran. has that worked? i mean, the fact of the matter is, these are repressive regi s regimes. i agree, 50 years of this policy, unfortunately, it hasn't worked. not necessarily because it's a bad policy. the helms burton act was passed in an overwhelming bipartisan action and signed by president clinton. this has been the policy of the united states for 50 years. and i would argue, it's not because it's bad policy. it's because we're dealing with very bad and evil people, a repressive regime that has backed terrorists around the world and is going to threaten
the national security of america and not improve the lives of the cuban people. >> senator cardin, that's the other side of the argument, you hear, that president obama has given up too much to the cubans in return from -- for too little. here is another member of your senate foreign relations committee, senator marco rubio. >> these changes will lead to legitimacy for a government that shamelessly, continuously abuses human rights, but it will not lead to assistance for those whose rights are being abused. >> just to add to that, cuban president raul castro pledged in a speech before his parliament yesterday, senator cardin, that his government will not abandon communism. >> chris, i can assure you that we will continue to point out the faults of the cuban system. we will speak out against human rights. one thing is clear. the more american business people that interact with cubans, the more americans that
have a chance to interact with cubans, the more the cubans will realize that their current system is failing them and will want the benefit of a more open society. that, i think, is clear. but we will stay strong in our message on violations of human rights. we've done that in the past. alan gross is now home with his family. that's an important step in progress that's been made. been commitments given by the cubans. we'll see how they carry them out. we had moved on to a new chapter. we're looking forward rather than back and i think that's going to be good for the cuban people and good for the united states. >> gentlemen, let's take a number that i suspect you can argue both ways. that's the number of political prisoners in cuban, which has risen from 2,000 in 2010 to 8,400, four times as many, last month. senator cardin, i guess the question is, why reward a dictatorship that in the last few years has become more repressive, not less so? >> i think the question is, why continue a policy that hasn't
brought about change. let's try a different policy. so, the number of political prisoners is outrage krous. it's hurting cuba. we know that. if they don't open up their society, their people are the ones who suffer. i think the more exposure we can give them to americans, the better it's going to be. but we're going to continue to speak out in regards to the fault of their system. >> well, senator johnson, answer, if you will, senator cardin's question, which is, it hasn't worked. why not try something different? >> well, again, it hasn't worked. relaxing sanctions in iran or north korea. let's listen to the wortdz of some of these political prisoners from castro. it's discomforting that the castro regime can grow as the first step will be more oppressive and corruption. another political prisoner said this leads the democratic opposition defenseless. obama has lied to himself, the oppressors and murderers of our people. these are people in the past that have been repressed and imprisoned by this evil regime. i don't see relaxing sanctions
working in iran and north korea, why would you expect that that type of relaxation of sanctions is going to work with the evil castro regime? >> let's pick up on that, because that's the point you continue to make is there's going to be exposure to western values, western people, western business, and that that is somehow going to at least begin to open up cuba. here are some of the things president obama is going to be able to do unilaterally. ease u.s. exports of building materials and agriculture and te will he communications equipment, establish banking relations between the two countries. senator johnson, let me get you to directly confront what senator cardin said. do you think that that kind of relaxation, that kind of opening of business and trade between the two countries, even though we're not lifting the trade embargo, will that benefit the average cuban? >> no. the cubans had access to those other kinds of goods.
the castro regime has remained every bit as oppressive and repressive as, you know -- so, that is not going to help the cuban people at all. it's going to funnel funds into the castro regime that they can use for creating mayhem in the western hemisphere so it's just not going to work. >> senator cardin, senator johnson makes a good point. other countries have diplomatic relations and it hasn't softened or eased the castro regime. >> the conversation with alan gross -- >> he was an american who went down there to provide more internet access and ended up as a political prison -- hostage, whatever you want to call him, for five years. >> five years he was in the cuban prisons. he said it's a country underutilized. they have plenty of land and great weather. i think the people are going to recognize the fact that their country is underperforming and they're the ones who have been
victimized by the castro regime. that's going to come. we saw that with the fall of the communism in europe as the iron curtain fell. people want the type of standard of living they see in their neighbors where they have more open and democratic societies. cuba is close to the united states. it's in our hemisphere. it's our neighbor. it's a country we have a direct interest. it's in our interest for cuba to change. and this policy gives us hope that we'll see a different cuba. >> we have a couple of minutes left and i want to get to, i guess, really in the end the big question as far as the two of you are concerned which is, what can congress do about it? senator johnson, as an opponent, what can you do to block the opening of diplomatic relations and what can you do to block the easing of trade limits? >> first of all, this is another example of president obama trying to circumvent the spirit of the law in helms/burton. that was a bipartisan effort. senator menendez is saying the
exact same thing. there are some real prescriptions in the helms/burton act that the administration has to follow specific steps before they lift the embargo. the president has not followed those. in other words, a determination there's actually been a transition government. that hasn't happened. so there are a number of things we can do to try to ep enforce the law that this president is simply ignoring. >> senator cardin, look at it from your point of view, how effective can opponents be in blocking, for instance, the establishment of full diplomatic relations? you're certainly going to have a problem if the president decides to name an ambassador getting him confirmed in a republican-controlled senate. what about if they pass legislation to restrict any of the trade openings that he's making here unilaterally? >> well, you know, ron's right. there's difference views among democrats on this subject. there's different views among republicans on this subject. i think you're going to see a change developing in cuba. the american people are going to get it. our political system will want to be engaged.
i think you'll see action in congress. a lot can happen without direct congressional activity but there will be a need for congress to take action, hopefully as we move to a new chapter in our cuban relations. it's going to be an interesting debate in congress. it's not going to be one party versus the other. it's going to be what we think is best in this country and i hope democrats and republicans can come together and work on a new chapter in our relation with cuba. >> senator cardin, senator johnson, we want to thank you both for coming in today. merry christmas and happy hanukkah to both of you gentlemen. >> thank you. >> merry christmas to you, chris. up next, jeb bush takes up the race for the white house by announcing early he'll explore a run for president. our sunday panel is back how it's kicking other gop candidates into high gear. what if one push up could prevent heart disease? one. wishful thinking, right? but there is one step you can take to help prevent another serious disease- pneumococcal pneumonia.
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if you run with big ideas and then you're true to those ideas and get a chance to serve and implement them and do it with passion and conviction, you can move the needle. >> jeb bush sounding like a presidential candidate and then announcing on facebook he will actively explore a white house run in 2016. we're back now with the panel. liz, what do you make of jeb bush deciding so early not necessarily that he's going to run, but kind of running and do you see his support for legal status for people in this country illegally for common core educational standards, are those too moderate for the republican base who will be voting in the gop primaries? >> i think it's fascinating he made this announcement as early as he did. he'll be a serious formidable candidate if he gets in the race fully. his record as governor of florida is certainly a conservative one and he is certainly very popular in florida.
so, i think that, you know, the conventional wisdom you see now forming that he's not a conservative, you know, we'll see. and he's going to fight for this and prove himself just like any other nominee would. >> but do you think those positions on immigration and education are in some sense disqualifying? >> no, i don't believe they're disqualifying. i think people have to remember, though, that conservative principles, conservatives are the heart and soul of our party. and we got beat in 2018. we got beat in 2012 in part because we didn't get our voters energiz energized, enthused and to the polls. whoever is the nominee, successful in the primaries is going to have to be someone who can lead, inspire the base of our party. we'll see what happens. jeb has to fight for this just like every other candidate will. it's interesting to plant the flag this early and feel the excitement of the primary season beginning. >> well, we're certainly excited on the sunday talk shows, judy. planting the flag so early is,
obviously, two years, literally, is jeb bush another front-runner for the nomination? >> i don't think can you say anybody is the front-runner. you may be able to say hillary clinton is the front-runner on the democratic side. i think it's much more wide open on the republican side. on the two issues you were just asking liz about, it's so interesting because if those are the two issues that are defining whether he is conservative enough, those both had their roots in his brother's presidency. certainly immigration reform and then the common core, the debate over educational standards had its roots in no child left behind and what came you the out of that and the educational standards argument that came out of that. but, who knows whether he's the front-runner. we will see. but it's clear that he is speeding the process up. i can guarantee you, a number of republicans are not spending this holiday just toasting marshmallows with the family around the christmas fireplace. they are sitting there thinking, are we going to go or not? it sped up the timetable. chris christie has to be thinking about it.
>> there's money, there's organizers, a whole infrastructure before you actually announce and jeb bush is obviously going to soak a lot of that up. george, two things. one, i love your thoughts on bush, but i also want to ask you about what has been a surprisingly nasty flap this week between senators rand paul and marco rubio over the question of president obama's opening to cuba after paul said, rand paul said he supported it, rubio said, like many people he has no idea what he's talking about. paul fires back, seems like senator rubio is acting like an isolationist who wants to retreat to our borders and perhaps built a moat. >> cuba is the museum of two failures. the failure of communism and our embargo. made sense in 1961 when it was put in place for the explicit purpose of affecting regime change. since 1991 with the disappearance of cuba's
patronage to the soviet union it does not make any sense at all, as far as i'm concerned. marco rubio is right the president should have struck a better bargain to help the democratic movement in cuba. on the other hand, he's wrong to say that this confers the legitimacy. american public philosophy is clear that governments drive their legitimacy from the governed. rand paul is right that some kind of exposure to cuba to the culture of america, both our popular culture and the culture of commerce, is apt to be a solvent to the regime. however, rand paul does not seem to be, as many of us are sadder but wiser about the liberalizing effects of trade. we tried this with china. we tried this with vietnam and both have shown the capability of an open economy and a closed political system. >> before i bring in juan, your thoughts quickly about jeb bush? >> well, he has four strikes against him.
common core, immigration his name and big sign on his back that says establishment choice. that said, he's enormously talented. does his 1972. republicans have presidency without a bush on the ticket since 197. i don't know if they're ready to start chris, he would be the third bush to be president within 25 years. >> fox news, different subject. fox news obtained a letter that chris christie sent to president clinton calling on the president to demand cuba returned convicted cop kill her who has been given safe i urge you to demand the immediate return before any consideration of restoration of diplomatic relations with the cuban government. there's a lot of infinished business and scar tissue between the u.s. and cuba. >> no question.
in that letter chris christie refers to her as a cold-blooded killer. it's interesting because if you listen to her and it's even political in terms of how i speak about her, she is the aunt or god mother of tupac shacor. she's become a folk hero and revolutionary figure in black america. she talks about herself as an escaped slave but she's a convicted murderer. >> who got out of prison when she was sprung by some of her con fed rats. >> correct. what you have got here is a situation, if you believe in law -- you can take sides with the police, you can say this is a racial issue, black/white-ish especially what's happened with michael brown and eric garner
and that horrible killing in new york yesterday. if you believe in us, the american people, black, white, asian, you have got to say this is a convicted murderer and should be brought back to this country. cuba has prisoners that they have designated as political prisoners. i think castro give her that as a thumb in the eye. it appears to all at tuds of black america's love of the revolution and fighting against the white man. but this is all about castro. he is someone who the united states needs to be very clear until their human rights are established, we should not be playing footsie and shouldn't be sending christmas cards to castro. >> i stand with ron williams. >> what is in the water here? i don't know if it's a christmas miracle. but you two are the hard liners today.
>> i was born in panama and my dad had some attitudes about some of these latin americans. so i don't have any -- >> no romance about that. see you next sunday. merry christmas to all of you. up next, honoring america's fallen this christmas season. i have the worst cold with this runny nose. i better take something. dayquill cold and flu doesn't treat your runny nose. seriously? alka-seltzer plus cold and cough fights your worst cold symptoms plus your runny nose. oh, what a relief it is.
it's a christmas tradition here to share the story of how one family has found a way to express the meaning of the holiday season. a moving example of love for our country and personal generosity. once again, here's our power player of the week. >> we wouldn't have the opportunities if it wasn't for the people that fought for us and gave their lives for us. >> it's that wisdom that has driven this man for years on a mission that has touched america's heart. each december he places wreaths at arlington national cemetery and thousands of volunteers are there to help him. >> i think a lot of people think like i do. they just want to -- you know, they appreciate the veterans and they want to show it. >> this story begins back in 1962. when a 12-year-old paper born
won a trip to washington. what impressed him most was arlington. it beauty and dignity and those rows and rows of graves. >> every one represents a life and a family and a story. they're not just tombstones. those are all people. >> 30 years later in 1992. wooster was running a wreath company but as christmas approached he had a bunch left over. >> these wreaths were fresh and just made. and i just didn't want them thrown away. >> he thought of arlington and all those graves. when the cemetery approved, he and a dozen volunteers drove the wreaths down and laid them on the head stones. and so it continued for years until a few christmases back when an air force sergeant took this picture which ended up on the internet. >> it kind of struck a nerve and people e-mailed it to each other and it really went around the
world. >> we were there the next year as he and his workers of the wooster wreath company loaded up 5,265 wreaths. then they embarked on what wooster calls the world's longest veterans parade. a 750 mile journey that at some points attracted more than 100 vehicles and when they got to arlington. so many people wanted to participate. >> that ceremony you are about to witness is an army wreath ceremony to be conducted by the wooster company. >> for years wooster paired for this out of his own pocket and started wreaths across america sending hundreds to cemeteries and war memorials around the country but he will need help to reach his new goal. >> i think around 2.7 million graves. and that's a tall order to decorate 2.7 million graves. >> but you would like to do it? >> i really would.
i don't know how. but hey, you know -- >> how long are you going to keep doing this? >> for as long as i work and then i know my family is going to continue. it will be here a long time. >> this is the 23rd year wooster has taken on his christmas wreath project and arlington and other veteran cemeteries at all 50 states. this year more than 750,000 wreaths mark the graves of veterans thanks to over 50,000 volunteers. >> now another christmas tradition, all five of the wallace grand kids are here this year. here's libby, her very first christmas. sabine, james, caroline and william. from our family to yours, have a very merry christmas and we'll see you -- >> next fox news sunday. >> all right.
kids, three, two, one -- >> merry christmas! >> you said that very well. that was good. well done. this week on the journal, editorial report, president obama's december surprise. pushing the reset button with cuba. will it be more successful than his past dealings with dictators. plus sony's pictures bows to hacker threats. did the u.s. lose the battle of the cyber warrior are and vladimir putin digs in as his country heads towards recession but can the financial crisis embolden the russian leader? >> the most significant changes in our policy in more than 50 years we will end an outdated approach that for decades has failed to advance our interes