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so, i personally don't think syria will be resolved until we get rid of assad and we need to be serious about this. we have not been so serious to date. finally, there have been a couple thousand westerners, europeans and north americans who have gone to syria to fight and now are in the process of returning home. that is very dangerous. and so the intelligence services of all these countries needs to work together to track these people and to make sure these sorts of plots don't happen. these are three specific things we need to do. i don't think the u.n. will be help with any three of them. >> thank you. i'll ask you to stand by. for those of you now just joining us we are preempting "fox news sunday" at this hour. we are life on paris. the eyes on this french city. amazing things you're seeing in the streets. millions of people we're told the number is now, that have been there today marching to remember the 17 victims who were killed in attacks by alleged
islamic jihadist this is week. rallying for freedoms of stregs and they say against terror. at this hour in paris, french president francois hollande and benjamin netanyahu are together, walked together, and now at the grand synagogue in paris. the french community holding a service to honor the 17 victims. that's among the highlights we're following right now. let's go to greg on the ground in paris and has followed this from day one. >> reporter: it's an amazing evening and it has been an amazing day right now at the grand synagogue, as you mentioned. the leaders of france, the leaders of the jewish community here and leaders critically of the muslim community here along in a ceremony with prime minister benjamin netanyahu of israel remembering the four victims of the jewish faith, of the terrible eventses of this past week. culminating an absolutely mazing day. we've been seeing literally hundreds of thousands of french
people coming out on the streets of paris, maybe as many as 1.5 million. the estimates are getting hard to make, according to authorities, because there are so many people out there. additionally, hundreds of thousands of french people showing up in other cities as well. all told, as many as 3 million. maybe one of the biggest outpourings of not just this century, but of the past centuries of french feelings and emotions for unity, they say, against the terrorism and against the oppression that was represented in the terrible, bloody acts of this past week. all this is going on, while police are busy working on the investigation. trying to find more answers more clues to what went wrong how it went wrong and getting to the other people who might be involved. some of them, people who had been detained during this investigation have been released but the search continues very strongly for the one prime suspect who was still
alive and still on the run. a woman by the name of hayat boumeddiene. she was also involved in these acts. amedy coulibaly is believed to have killed a french police officer, held those hostages at the kosher supermarket, killing some, injuring others. he, too, died. she is believed to have been an accomplice in those acts. it is now known, too, she was probably out of the country at the very moment those acts took place, traveling through spain and turkey. it's believed she's now in syria, which, by the way may be by no coincidence is headquarters for the isis terror organization. new information coming out about her dead partner today as well. another video of allegiance that he made or that was made about him after his death pledging allegiance to isis. as well as other information that fox news has confirmed with the police that he could have been involved in yet another
shooting. a terror investigation into that as well. finally, we're looking more at the other serious series of terror events involving a gentleman bit name of -- people by the name of said and cherif kouachi. they have pledged their own allegiance to another organization. al qaeda in the arabian peninsula organization. we have learned before they slaughtered the 12 around the charlie hebdo newspaper office and then went on and held a hostage and then met their death at another business, they, too had training with aqap, as it's called. that al qaeda chapter in yemen, maybe even having contact with the american cleric now dead, anwar al awlaki there and even an individual by the name of the underwear bomber, the fellow that tried to blow up a plane headed towards detroit. a lot of concerns on the terror
front. words from french prime minister this weekend that france and the french government is now in a war. a war with terror. but those put aside today while the mourning, the grief, the dedication to the idea that this kind of terror can't exist on french soil being shown in the streets here in paris and across this country. very moving stuff. >> greg we appreciate your continued coverage. if you'll stick with us. we want to turn to rick, he's been on the streets of paris with thousands, possibly a million or more marching there, they say forech. against terrorism. rick, i'm struck by there's quite a cross-section of all kinds of people. all kinds of backgrounds and ages. i see a lot of young people. there was solemnity at some point, and i know you've seen this, people and music and dancing, celebrating in the face of something that was a horrific event. they're finding something to
celebrate and sounds like they're unified in that. >> reporter: absolutely finding joy in the tragedy, and showing unity across the city of paris. they have reopened most of the streets tonight, but they were absolutely packed earlier. the one of the hearts of today's unity demonstration, which has now been declared the largest demonstration in french history. there are still pockets of people. i'll show you some of the folks here moving around. and celebrating. celebrating. and they're holding signs, in solidarity with the 12 people killed at the satirical newspaper office last week. there are signs declaring that. the crowd behind us, pictures of some of the cartoonists who were killed in that attack. and here may be a younger crowd. certainly earlier in the day we
saw tremendous tremendous crowds with a wide range of people. young, old all races all creeds all colors, coming together and chanting a number of slogans, including freedom. these people say they want to take back france from any radical islamist and they want to show the world they're unified and that freedom here in paris. as you heard greg talk about, it is a very challenging time for this nation and for the people here because the threat still exists. one of the other things we should tell you about is security. police out in -- you don't think there's a threat? >> no threat, man. we're here we play. >> reporter: it's a great party. >> threat is everywhere. it's every day. it's in ours. don't be threatened. just play --
>> reporter: you feel safe today/tonight? >> i don't fear today. all right? don't be -- >> reporter: what is the message you're trying to deliver to the world today? >> the message? >> reporter: the message of this gathering. is there a message? >> yeah, yeah. music is the system. >> reporter: they're playing the music tonight. we want to make the point that security was an obvious huge concern today because of this large turnout of people in the heart of paris. and there were thousands of police officers, soldiers and heavily armed s.w.a.t. teams that were trying to ensure that this demonstration, this unity rally was a peaceful one. there were absolutely no incidents. there may have been people who had a hard time making it through the crowd because it was so tightly packed on the streets
and avenues. that may have been the biggest challenge, getting people out. there have been, fortunately, no further attacks or violence on this day. >> rick, thank you so much for reporting there live on the streets. so great to hear from the very individuals who are celebrating and saying, they are not afraid 37 don't be afraid. we see the signs for liberty and freedom and those who are standing there with those who were targeted. rick thank you so much. just inspiring. there were a lot of people who asked if it was safe to have a gathering of this size and whether it was wise for people to do it. i get the impression, you could not have stopped these people, kept them away. rick? >> reporter: oh, no, absolutely not. when i tell you it was packed on the streets and avenues, i am not exaggerating. we walked at least five or six miles today around the area that was the har of the demonstration. there were times when we could not move. we literally could not move because the sidewalks the streets, were absolutely full of
people. and just making your way through that crowd were at times nearly impossible. yet, it was peaceful. people were -- at some point just completely quiet and then at other points, there would be waves of clapping waves of applause that would spread through the crowd. the chants we heard the singing and the celebrating turning this into a party and a show to the world that france does stand together and the people here are together and they believe that -- that -- obviously they believe freedom is important. freedom is the core of their existence and they're showing it to the world today. >> and people who may not always be allies allies today. rick, we'll check back with you. it's been a pleasure to see folks and hear from them directly on the streets. i want to go to mike baker, former cia operative. mike, this -- there have been a lot of conversations that sprung up in the u.s. in reaction to
what we've seen in paris. vocal critics republican senators, graham and ayotte, who stood up and said, this is their concern about closing guantanamo bay, losing the ability to enter great suspects. they worry there may be some lost intelligence by changing that policy. what's your reaction? over the years recent years, anyway, we've done a couple of things. we've stepped up the drone campaign. don't get me wrong. drones are a very good tool. it's almost as if the administration, the current white house, decided that look, it was all too up close and personal, too messy to have to deal with detainees. of course, he ran on a campaign to close guantanamo. the idea being rather than deal with the hard work of picking people up off the battlefield now what do you do with them? maybe that means we have to keep guantanamo open. the idea is let's not do that. let's focus on other things.
let's ramp up the drone program. when you do that, i don't want to make it too simplistic, but oftentimes you lose the ability, when that's the mind set to pick people up and essentially stuff the pipeline with potential new intelligence. and, yes, we all have angst. we went through this ridiculous over the feinstein report, which was a name. at the same time the reality is, if you're not getting, you know, human sources of intelligence. whether they're off the battlefield or whether you're recruiting them, yeah, you're going to be in a world of hurt. it's going to turn into a get on rope at some point. that is one issue. the other thing i would worry about, frankly is if you're in the world of counterterrorism, right now, what are you doing? you're not that excited and feeling good over the marches in paris and around france. you're busy chasing down the thousands and thousands of bits of pieces of information coming from all over the world. you're trying to find some way
to prevent minimize and disrupt the next attack which is being planned, even as we're all feeling good about ourselves about what's going on in france. so i worry tomorrow morning comes and we're just going to move on. boko haram has been slaughtering hundreds, possibly thousands in the northeast of that country recently. we have problems everywhere with muslim extremists and yet we tend to always have this same dialogue at end of a really tragic attack like what we had in paris. everybody comes together. we talk about it. we say we have to have a national dialogue. we all have to work together. then we get sidetracked. >> very quickly. we are about to lose you. do you think it changes u.s. policy at all? or do we turn what has happened around the clock behind the scene, men and women out there ricking their lives to make sure the rest of us are safe, regardless if we know anything about what they're doing? >> well, that will continue. the hard work that's off the radar screen that people don't see, the reason we haven't
had -- it's hard work by all the people in that business. that will continue. the problem we've been facing recently is that the doj and others have been busy trying to dismantle parts of the apparatus we built to try to efficiently conduct the war on terror. that has to be looked at very hard by the new congress. but, yeah, i think that what we need to see is we need to see stronger leadership right now. i'm surprised the president wasn't over there frankly. it's hard to do a quick left turn and adjust the president's schedule. that's the reality of it. i think the u.s. france and others, rather than saying we have to work together, we have to figure out a way to strong-arm, to use whatever leverage we have left in the middle east, to strong-arm the muslim leaders into developing and maintaining a consistent, aggressive battle against the extremist community within their own broader community. >> mike, former cia operative, mike baker with us. thank you for giving us your
time. we're continuing to watch live in paris, awaiting remarks by israeli prime minister benjamin netanyahu, who was there with many other leaders, marching in the streets today. you're looking live at the grand synagogue where he is with the french president as they take part in a ceremony honoring the 17 innocent victims. four of them jewish men who were killed at a kosher market in these attacks that played out over the last few days in paris. we'll continue coverage on this. talk about the implications and where we go from here right after this break.
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you're looking live at paris. a synagogue experience today honoring those who lost their lives this week in paris. four of them specifically were jewish men targeted in a kosher supermarket. leaders from across the world marched in the streets of paris. now israeli prime minister benjamin netanyahu and france's president hollande are together at that synagogue to honor those victims. we understand netanyahu may speak at some point. we will endeavor to get you those remarks as that happens. we keep an eye on that memorial there in paris. we have guests here with us in studio we to want turn to for some of the political conversation about this. we have former democratic senator evan bayh and matt, who was at george w. bush white house. thanks for sticking around. we talked about how this -- these events affect so much of the conversation of what's happening on the hill. senator, i want to ask you specifically about some of the travel issues brought up senator ayotte gop senator,
brought this up earlier this week. we have an open visa policy with france and other nations nations we're allies with. as we've seen, many people who have left western countries to lose the battle front, to come back and carry out these missions or to fight and die there against american forces. do you think this is going to change about visa policy, our way that we cover travel, that americans relate to, even people who are our allies, knowing we have people in this country who are radicalized and may travel on a u.s. passport as well in. >> well, this is the single biggest threat we face right now. people in this attack, it looks like, the brothers, at least one may have went to yemen. the other played allegiance -- not the brother the co-conspirator pledge allegiance to isis. his girlfriend was trained. we have to have a serious dialogue in our country and our allies about if people choose to travel to participate with
groups like that that may affect their return to our society for a time. this is a conversation we need to have. matt, when we think about the conversation about guantanamo bay, detentions interrogations. it's politically fraught. the president campaigned that he was closing it down. his thought is it's offensive to our many enemies around the world and others who feel that attention has been unconstitutional, inappropriate, based on either our domestic laws or international conventions as well. but we're releasing some detainees to places like yemen, where we know al qaeda is fomenting and growing. and there are -- there's bragging within that country they are carrying out these attacks and planning even worse. how do we square u.s. policy with releasing detainees to a country like that? >> the administration has said don't worry.
90% of the people we released from gitmo have not returned to the war in terror. that means 10% have. we already have the name of one person who has. the idea of creating guantanamo bay, gitmo, to take these prisoners from the war field and actually treat them in a humane way. what do drones do? what do assassinations do? osama bin laden was assassinated. he was killed. is that more humanitarian than what we did with saddam hussein and captured him? these are real questions american people have to confront again. once again, these pictures we're seeing from paris, they'll be replicated in another city soon unfortunately. these types of acts are coming here. i agree it's our brave men and women preventing us and protecting us from these types of terrorist acts. but eventually it's too -- the percentages are with them and they will occur again and whoa have to make sure we're prepared when it comes to the questions of people overstaying visas. 40% of those folks with the
illegal immigration problem in this country, are overstaying their visas. the question of immigration on the hill is going to turn to much more a question of what do we need to do in our national security interest and much less what we do in terms of our political interest. >> if you will stand by with us, we want to bring in ambassador gillerman, israel's representative to the united nations, to get his thoughts on what we're seeing play out. ambassador, are you encouraged by what we're seeing at the synagogue and in the streets today, people of all faiths and backgrounds coming together saying that they in essence, are jewish they are themselves jews standing in solidarity. what's your reaction to what you're seeing today? >> well i'm very -- i'm very saddened by what happened but i am very encouraging by the scenes we saw in paris today with the other 2 million people standing up against terror and saying we are jewish we're free people, we are cartoonists journalists, we are for free
speech. and i think what we're witnessing at the synagogue today is a very solemn occasion but it goes far beyond a single synagogue in paris. i think it is something that could happen today in a church in a mosque, in anyplace of worship in the world where people stand up and say, enough is enough. i think that what happened in paris was a watershed moment for the world. i think people who have claimed these incidents are maybe disconnected or isolated. people are standing up against terror. we are at war with terror. that terror is islamic jihadist terror. it is not true ausmus limbs are
terrorists. unfortunately, it is true that the vast majority of terrorists are muslim. this is a war in which civilization and the world we live in must win. >> i want to ask you, obama ambassador, having spent time at the u.n., do you think the united nations is a good route, a good option? we have dr. waleed farris with us, who says that may be one of the best options, nations standing together, to call for the u.n. to be a leading voice on condemning this activity and taking a more strident role in cracking down on extremists? >> i wish the u.n. would take the leading role. i believe ban ki-moon, secretary-general of the u.n., is a decent person. i think he's a friend of the jewish people of israel and a citizen of the world. unfortunately from my experience of representing israel for nearly six years at that glass
building on first avenue, there is in the u.n. a very immoral, built-in, automatic immoral majority against israel consisting of arab states, islamic states, the normal line states. i still don't know what they're normal lined about. i wish the u.n. would come together at this moment. what we witnessed in paris threatens every citizen of the world. whether he's muslim, jewish christian, buddhist, whether he's white, black, yellow. it really doesn't matter. and i hope the u.n. will stand up. this is a unique opportunity, unprecedented unit for the u.n. to stand up and make its voice heard loud and clear. and i'm skeptical about its ability to do so. if it does, i think it will be a great moment for humanity, the u.n. and for principles which
the u.n. was supposed to stand for, was built on. >> ambassador, we have a political panel here in the studio. we were talking about the fact that israel is under threat every day, by very specific neighbors in the region there. we talked about iran and the fact that it facilitates many of the efforts and endeavors. there have been pledges by iranian leaders to quote annihilate the state of israel. when we see this playing out in paris today, we have to remember there is a constant threat that you live under and across the world that terrorists are aiming at western worlds as well. do you think that -- you said this was a watershed moment of some sorts. do you think it will be a change, a point we can look back to these paris attacks one day and say, that is when the world became united in one voice against this? >> i do. i think what happened in paris over the last few days both at charlie hebdo at this satirical journal, and at the jewish
supermarket, is a watershed moment. to a great extent this is paris' 9/11. just as the united states woke up on that horrible, horrible day to find that it was vulnerable and that it was, indeed targeted by people who did not want to live in a free world, and with the values the united nations stands for, i think what happened in paris signaled the same for europe. as you said we in israel are facing this extremism every day. we're facing it from hezbollah in the north from hamas in the south, from iran that threatens to annihilate israel, that denies the holocaust while preparing the next one. and i think what we're witnessing today is indeed, not only a watershed moment, but a wake-up call to the world. it is time to stop being politically correct. i would rather be politically
incorrect than physically dead. and, you know i said while i was at the u.n. and crying out against terror attacks in israel every day, i remember saying that while in paris, a cup of coffee would cost you two euros. in israel a cup of coffee would cost you your life because that was the time when cafes and restaurants in israel were attacked by suicide bombers. and very sad and horrified to see that today a cup of coffee or a chunk of meat or loaf of bread at a paris restaurant costs people their lives. and i think all of europe, not just paris, britain, germany, and we saw a great parade of unity today should stand up and realize, this is a real war. this is a war which the civilized world must win. in order to win it, it must show determination. stop being politically correct. realize who the enemy is and fight it until it is destroyed.
otherwise, it will destroy civilization and humanity and all the values we believe in. >> we are speaking now on the phone with ambassador dan gillerman, who was the israeli representative to the united nations. as we take you live looking into the grand synagogue in paris, where there is a ceremony under way, to acknowledge and to acknowledge the 17 innocent victims who were killed this week in paris through the various terrorist attacks. we have leaders there joining together, including israeli prime minister benjamin netanyahu, who we believe may speak. and france's president francois hollande, who was there as well. joining together. we'll continue to monitor and watch that scenario there live. ambassador, while we have you, i want to ask you about this conversation about a number of jews, by the thousands essentially over the last year, who have been leaving france and returning to israel, saying -- for many different reasons, but some of them saying they no longer feel safe in some of the
parts of europe. essentially saying they are returning to israel or going to israel for the first time to live full time because it's the one place they feel they'll be safe. >> you know, israel was established as a home for the jewish people after the holocaust. it was the first people to come to europe were mainly holocaust survivors. they lived in germany poland, other places, never ever believing, even after hitler came to power in 1932, never believing that those threats would become real. by the time they did realize how real it was for many of them, 6 million of them, it was too late. now, i'm not comparing what is happening in europe today to the times of the nazis in germany but i think the hatred, the extremism, the muslim jihadists,
fanatical extremism which is growing in europe, including in people who were born and bred and educated in europe. we saw that on 7/7 in europe, we saw this in brussels we saw this in paris just now, is horrifying. and i think what the jewish people are saying to themselves is what we are taught every day, that is never again. we will not allow it to happen again. and jewish people feel that they are not perfect. the french government is being complacent about that threat. therefore, they look to israel as a safe haven and a place where they will be safe. i hate to say this. and i hope the french government and president hollande will, you know, take matters into their own hands and make those people feel safe. but at the moment, i don't blame any jewish person who -- looking at what happened and looking at people who went to supermarket
to buy kosher foods for the sabbath, being slaughtered, saying tomorrow it could happen in my child's school. it could happen in my child's kindergarten. it could happen in my synagogue. there are 250 synagogues in paris. over 200 jewish schools in paris. i'm not sure the french can protect them. and if the french jews feel they're unsafe i think you know, them coming to israel would, for them maybe be the best option. i hope very much the french government can make them feel safe and convince them that france is their home but it will have to act much more -- much more dramatically, more -- in a more decisive way to make them feel that way. by the way, i think that the same may be true, unfortunately in other places in europe. >> yeah certainly the threat goes beyond one city.
ambassador, thank you for your time. thank you for weighing in today. >> well, thank you. >> you're looking live again in paris where there's been a ceremony at the grand synagogue involving numerous leaders across the board, across the religious spectrum as well and national spectrum nationalities and backgrounds of all kinds, standing in solidarity to honor the 17 victims who were killed this week in the paris terrorist attacks. we'll continue to keep an eye on that. we understand israeli benjamin netanyahu may make some comments. we'll continue to monitor that. in the meantime, we'll bring our political panel back in. former senator evan bayh is along with us, along with matt, political director in the george w. bush white house. great to have you here. you talked about how this may affect conversations of immigration.
it's been brewing with the gop, very frustrated that the president has taken executive action to some extent on that. but with vows from both sides across the aisle we're going to get something done. how much will what we've seen here and as the travel issues i discussed with senator bayh and porous borders how much will that play into that? >> i think this reorients it. this is a question about politics and how you respond to the president's executive overreach with what he did after the election. and republicans and conservatives, who are just dismayed the president didn't listen to what happened in the election, now we're talking once again about our national security. is the southern border a question of politics or a question. security. these who are oversaying their visas in this country, that's a question of national security. actually, i think it will actually make the political situation better to get something done in those areas. maybe not so much focused on
what the chamber of commerce wants for business, but focused much more on what we have to do as a country to make sure what happened in paris what's happening all over the globe doesn't happen here. >> senator you think maybe -- we'll going to go to greg real quickly. i'll have you keep this brief and we'll come back to this conversation. but do you agree that possibly the conversation around immigration turns to instead of the economic, more the national security interest? >> i think that needs to be a big component of it, particularly in the aftermath of this. a bipartisan bill passed out of the senate last year. house didn't even take it up. now that the president has done what he's done, inflamed conservatives in the congress, i'm modestly optimistic that some things on this can get done as we get past the rhetoric and start looking at the reality and strong border security needs to be a big component of that, probably first and then dealing with the long-term status. >> as people are watching live we saw former french president sarkozy exiting that ceremony there at the grand synagogue.
i want to bring greg back in. he's live in paris, following this from the very beginning, the most tragic of events that played out this week. greg, get your perceptions on what's happening today as grand parts of this investigation are still very much active. >> reporter: exactly. we're seeing historic events here today. we're now being told it's one of the largest gatherings of people in france, in the history of this country. that's really saying something. and just the events you were detailing to our viewers in the grand synagogue in the eastern side of paris, that's also amazing inside that one synagogue, not just leaders of the jewish community here. some 500,000 strong, but also leaders of the muslim faith here. some 6 million muslim inhabitants of this country, all together with both the leaders
of france and the prime minister of israel, benjamin netanyahu. these are remarkable remarkable events. but the authorities here know that as gratifying as this is, they have immediate concerns and long-term concerns. the immediate concerns is the further investigation of the terrible events of this week we're focusing on the one prime suspect who is still alive and still moving around and that is hayat boumeddiene, the partner of amedy coulibaly, one of the key, now dead suspects involved in the killing of a french policewoman and that terrible incident involving death and hostage taking at the kosher supermarket. just in the past hour we've been hearing from her lawyer. through her lawyer she is apparently saying she, as one would expect condemns the acts that happened during the last couple of days.
and through her family, we're also hearing that she had no idea of what her partner was doing. in fact, the latest word we're getting in the last few hours is that she is not in this country. that maybe timingwise was well thought out. last week she left from france to spain and then turkey and then into syria. a reminder here, syria the headquarters of the isis terror organization, that is the same terror organization that her now dead partner in yet another video after his death has been released today where he at one time has been saying that he is pledging his allegiance to isis and that he's being directed by isis. one more element of this of course, is those responsible, believed to be responsible for the slaughter at the charlie hebdo newspaper offices in paris here on wednesday that left 12 dead. not just the editorial staff,
cartoonists, but also police officers. those two people said and cherif kouachi again and again, the linkages pointing strongly to aqap al qaeda in the arabian peninsula peninsula, a key player was the american anwar al awlaki who killed in a u.s. strike in 2011 and there were connections there, training and then coming back there. so you have al qaeda, you've got isis, no wonder we've been hearing this weekend from french prime minister saying, now the french government realizes it has a war on its hand a war against terror and a war against islamic jihadism. so, those words and that -- those kind of -- that kind of talk from the government will be fixating them over the next
weeks and months as well as a deeper look at this society and how these kind of events were also allowed to evolve from some stronger deeper problems here in this country. but at the moment here as we look at the scene, the breaking up of the ceremony at the grand mosque. as we understand, pretty much the breaking up of the rally and march as well. we understand the police just left the scene there at the end point. as they left the crowd applauded. never seen anything like that in france. so there have been some heads change and some amazing scenes here we've witnessed. back to you, shannon. >> greg, thank you very much. as greg was saying we're watching this ceremony of remembrance of the 17 victims breaking up at the grand synagogue. largest synagogue in france, we understand. you're looking at french president francois hollande. who has been a part of the ceremony, showing solidarity, now leaving.
prime minister benjamin netanyahu also a part of that it just follows many, many world leaders linking arms walking through the streets of paris. there are now estimates and, again, really tough to confirm this, but estimates that more than 3.5 million people took to the streets of paris today. we'll learn more about those numbers in the coming days, possibly, but certainly a statement. as we're looking live at the grand synagogue in paris, you can see israeli prime minister benjamin netanyahu taking to the podium. we'll try to listen in just a little bit. not sure which language he'll be speaking in to be honest with you. so, we'll listen in and see what we can hear from him as there is applause there in the synagogue.
[ speaking foreign language ] >> you're looking live now as israeli prime minister benjamin netanyahu speaking in a synagogue in france, the grand synagogue. he speaks many languages so if we hear him at some point revert to english or if there's translation where we can share with you what he is saying we'll jump back into that. in the meantime on the phone with us, we have simone who is a leader there in paris, has been a part of the demonstrations and part of that today she's the director of the american jewish committee office in paris. thank you for joining us. what was your personal experience today in the marches? >> well, thank you very much for having me on. listen, i have to say this was a historic day. this is the think most french people have experienced today.
it was something that our children will read in history books. we have had the feeling of unity, of confronting together a threat to our societies our values, our civilizations, rising up against barbarian. and i think it was a very very important day. certainly for the jewish community, for the entire nation but i would even say for the entire western civilized world. >> there has been a conversation i know you've been a big part of it, about the growing concerns about anti-semitism in europe. specifically where you have seen things. we've seen a number of attacks. those are documented and factual. against the jewish community and jewish individuals. are you hopeful that what we're
seeing today is a reawakening of the conversation and seeing people of all backgrounds join together and march together today and hold signs identifying themselves as jewish when they were not? do you think this will change things in paris and across europe? >> it is, as you said the jewish community has lived through a lot of pain through a lot of fear over the past even 15 years, where every year anti-semitic acts are becoming more and more violent. we have had death. we have had jewish school children who died only two years ago. we have sort of waited for a wake-up of this country. while the government has clearly spoken out, the prime minister and the president himself have clearly spoken out over the past, what we have never seen was people going into the
streets and clearly speaking out against anti-semitism. this is something now that we see. it gives obviously hope for the future, but i think it is too early to tell if this is really something that will transform our society and will serve as a wake-up call. as much needs to be done. we need to be confronting this threat very intensively. much needs to be done in radicalization, for example. things going on within our prisons here in france. i think that are going on on social media heightened violence. and a lot also needs to be done on european intelligence. so, there's a lot of work. it is really -- really too early to tell whether this is going to be some sort of transformative
experience or whether it was just an incredible day today. >> simone, we thank you for your time. we know that it is horrendous, tragic events that often spark the very difficult conversations and hopefully lead to permanent positive change. we thank you very much for joining us and sharing your experience today. >> thank you very much for having me on. >> i want to bring in k.t. macfarlane who is very familiar to fox viewers has an extensive background in defense. she joins us. we have been having many conversations today about how this impacts u.s. intelligence how we operate. new things we may be drawn into new ways we have to handle. the threats aren't new but possibly the way we address and talk about them may be. >> certainly the way we talk about them. we have the french prime minister saying that they're at war with radical islam. we have the president of egypt who has come out and said to his own clerics, to the leading muslim scholars in egypt and the world, it's on you. you know you've got to reform.
you've got to stop persecuting people around the world who don't agree with the things you preach. and so we have leader who have had great courage to stand up and say that. in the united states, we have a president who is reluctant to call it even terrorism. he likes to call it workplace violence. even when this first happened the first paris massacres his first response was senseless violence. this was not senseless. this was very deliberate and well planned. until we identify and call it what it is, it is difficult for us in the united states or west to really tackle it. what we do know is it's coming here. >> yeah, k.t., there's no doubt about that. it's something that -- that undercurrent is always there. that worry that concern is clearly there. we do have people working and serving around the clock, trying to make sure that it doesn't. you talk about the way that we have been discussing this. i was talking with a former counterterrorism official
correctness and some of the conversations about this have helped or hurt us? way of us doing the job. when political correctness takes a front seat we have seen time and time again where in the united states where a terrorist ins occurs, people look back and say, gee, there were so many warning signs. why didn't we see this? it is political correctness, stop law enforcement or stop people from speaking up when they have concerns or worries. what you hope this is such a wakeup call that our intelligence gathering community and our law enforcement community and our political
environment and 1600 pennsylvania avenue understand this is a threat. this could happen here. this could happen in the united states. the difference now and the reason i'm somewhat optimistic, shannon, is that two years ago, we didn't have technology that could track these people. we do now. we have meta data collection the ability to look over social media in a completely legal and open way and look for the markers, the needles in a haystack and put them together, people at risk, people recruited to conduct terrorist activities. we can monitor them. we want to prevent them from happening, fot just after the fact prosecute people for their wrongdoing. >> very quickly. we have a lot of people we are trying to get in here and get their expertise. can you talk to me about the issue of interrogation and how maybe that conversation changes as well. maybe instead of drone strikes,
that neutralize and take out a threat, being more open to interrogating within limits of the law, to gain more information. >> what we found with all these, is human intelligence really makes a big difference. by not taking people seriously and interrogating them, we have given up on that whole aspect of trying to track down what has happened. if it is just two brothers in this small cell, you are not going to find them. nobody is talking about torture, nobody is talking about anything that's illegal. we need to start profiling for terroristlike behavior patterns. with he know what they are. we know how to do it. we should start toogdoing it now before people are killed. >> we appreciate it, k.t. i want to bring dr. ferris back in an expert on what's been playing out for years in the middle east. we have heard continued calls
for those in the muslim community who are now peaceful. many of them have publicly said we are. we are doing what we can. talk to us about the unique position they find themselves in, when you are in a mosque or community in which they may suspect that there are those among them who are rat calized and would take the extreme view that involves killing other people. >> well, look inside mosques or neighborhoods or communities, the issue is not just about getting information to the government. there need to be a new leadership in these communities, a leadership that would reflect what is happening in the region. in egypt there was a huge demonstration of 33 million people. they pushed out the extremists, the muslim brotherhood brought in a different leadership. in tunisia the same thing is happening. in libya there is a big fight between the secular moderates and the jihadists.
what the west needs to do in france united states and other liberal democracies is that the government would reach out to the moderates, not just peaceful people that do not do anything engaging in any actions. the actual people the dynamic people, the ngos in these communities that have tried to reach out to government including here in washington. many of these ngos tried and tried and tried to raise those issues. unfortunately, the administration partnered with the partners of the mustism brother muslim brotherhood. i am calling in hope that the administration is going to widen the scope of the advisers. the input it is getting, a few weeks from now there will be be a conflict at the white house. this is the opportunity for the administration to bring in experts from the other side. they don't have to listen tuls one side. then, they could say we have a national unity in america. it could move forward in a
different part. >> dr. walid ferris thank you for sticking around with us. we appreciate your insights. former democratic senator live with us. we are watching live in paris wb prime minister benjamin netanyahu is speaking now. some points we talked about and that dr. ferris talked about about engagement with the muslim community. the president is going to have a terrorism discussion at the white house in mid-february. what do you think would be helpful to see there, to hear there, things concrete in giving us a leg up? >> reach out to the islamic community. encourage our partners to do that in other countries and en enlist their help. we need to let the muslim community know get angry with those who are causing you to have this fenphenomenon.
help us to root out the individuals that would threaten you and us. make sure as your commentator mentioned, we have the information available to track down these people coming back from yemen and syria so these sorts of attacks cannot happen. the reason we use the drone strikes. in north waziristan and the anbar province, and syria, we have no choice. we would rather rest them. we can't. it is better to take them off the battlefield with the drones. we have to use telecommunications and other things to track these folks to make sure we have the tooblt do that. don't overreact to someone like edward snowden. the final thing i would say, in the long term, this is the battle for ideas. we have radicals in the pipeline, the younger brothers and sisters and their children, we need to win their hearts and minds. we are reforming economies in the middle east so they have
more hope for the future. we need to draw a clean moral line. we honor freedom and the sanctity of life. don't go over to the warped interpretation of a great religious. >> matt bush with us. former political director with george w. bush. these pictures we are looking at now. help me out, owen is that here? that is outside the museum here in washington, d.c., which is really just a block or so from us. you see there christine lagarde, who is heading up the conversation there. we have seen amazing things at the museum that tracks things from all over the world that represents the freedom of the press. we have seen several demonstrations there at the museum. you can see with the sign there on miss lagarde's back, je suis
charlie. we have conversations about the freedom of the press. those are live pictures there in washington, d.c. as solidarity builds here as well with the people of france who have suffered so much. interesting to note the french interior ministry is now saying all total the demonstrations across france today, some 3.7 million people took to the streets to stand up against this, to stand in solidarity for freedom of expression and press. we are monitoring the ceremony there with benjamin netanyahu speaking. i want to bring you in here. at the point the senator was talking about reaching out to the next generation with a better ideology that is not the way to go. we offer you something different. many criticize the role of the u.s. saying it will be very difficult to community kate that message. quickly, your final thoughts? >> i think it is so difficult for us. it is so refreshing to see the
pictures out of press. they have been weakened. it is good they have been woken up. i fled the white house on september 11th. my wife did too. we went back to work earth the next morning. the people of paris are celebrating. what they are saying is you are not going to change our way of life. i think that's an important message for all of these communities across the world. we not going to impact the radicalized folks. we can play some small role with keeping more from getting radicalized. >> we thank you both for being part of it and sticking around with us today. these are live pictures as we begin to close out our hour and the continuing coverage will go on here on fox news. this is in washington, d.c. where folks have gathered in solidarity to support the french people to say they support the freedom of press here and abroad. anywhere democracy and free people will stand up.
we continue to follow paris where there is a ceremony underway. leaders from across the world linked arms. we are told 3.7 million people marched in france today for freedom and against terrorism. eric sean? israeli prime minister, benjamin netanyahu delivering comments after visiting the grand synagogue in paris with french president francois hollande. they participated in a unity march through paris in response to the terror attacks on a satirical magazine and a jewish supermarket. we continue to watch israeli prime minister benjamin netanyahu. we are there with our rick