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and felt i was attacking him. i felt he was asked a tough but fair question. we agreed to disagree. mr. trump did interviews over the week that attacked me personally. i've decided not to respond mr. trump is an interesting man who has captured the attention of the electorate. that's why he is leading in the polls. trump who is the front-runner will not apologize and i certainly will not apologize for doing good journalism. i'm continue doing my job without fear or favor. and mr. trump, i expect, will continue with what has been a successful campaign thus far. there is a tough business and it is time to move forward. now let's get back to the news. breaking tonight, the city is bracing for a second night of violence. this come a year after an officer shot michael brown in ferguson, missouri, as brown
rushed the officer. protests ended in chaos last night it is and spreading. earlier, some rushl a courthouse to demand the police department be disbanded. others were making their voices heard while blocking off traffic in a major end state during rush hour. now there are worries about a repeat of what we saw last night. listen. police estimate some 40 to 50 shots being fired between two rival groups in ferguson in the middle of a swarm of angry protesters, the media and the police. that was just the beginning. at almost the same time as that shooting, police got into a gun fight with a young man they had been tracking throughout the day and who allegedly fired right at their vehicle when they crossed paths. check out the bullet hole. the young man who was apparently a friend of michael brown's is now in critical condition.
after facing a list of felony charges. and while some activists point to yesterday's primarily peaceful demonstrations and say there's no reason to think things are get that tense tonight. check out this picture. look at this. would you look at this? it was taken on saturday. in case you're wondering what you're looking at, it is a roasted pig with #darren wilson scrawled on the side. darren wilson is the officer who shot and killed mike brown who was completely exonerated of any crime and indeed, who was the victim of michael brown and not his attacker, though you wonderful know it, looking at that picture. we're joined tonight by former lapd detective, and trace gallagher is at the breaking news desk to get us up to speed.
>> even those who live in st. louis county are unsure about what might happen. it is like your city is about tote get hit by a hurricane but you don't know if it is a category 1 or a category 5. police acknowledge they expect disruptions. they just don't know how severe. listen to what some of the protesters were saying last night before the violence broke out. [ chanting ] >> ready for war. then hours after mostly peaceful demonstrations, the tension level increased. rival groups showed up with guns. when the shots rang out, cameras were rolling. watch again. >> behind the engine block. >> behind those shooting, was
tyrone harris. when unmarked police officers started chasing harris, they say he pulled out a stolen gun. they claim the suspect kept firing. the officers returned fire, hitting tyrone harris multiple times. today protest groups defended the suspect saying sending in plain clothes police officers was a mistake because, quote, it made it difficult for people to identify police officers which is essential to the safety of community members. they were also angry toefrss did not have body cameras to document xiangly what happened. harris' parents say he wasn't shooting at police. he was running for his life like everyone else. the police chief made it clear, tyrone harris is part of an ongoing problem. >> while this is a tragedy for this man and toefrss involved, and truly a tragedy, there is a small group of people out there
that are intent on making sure that we don't have peace that pre vails. >> in protests late today, more than 50 people got arrested. mostly for left fieillegally cr barriers. >> joining me, mark fuhrman. good to see you. here we go again. the image of that pig with darren wilson's name on it. when president obama's and eric holder's own d.o.j. came out and said that cop did nothing wrong. that cop was the victim being attacked and look at this. look at it. >> it clearly shows there's no evidence, no facts, no investigation, even when you have the justice department with eric holder wanting very much to
indict darren wilson, and he could not. there is no investigation that is going to satisfy this group, black lives matter. and i would like to say that this suspect harris, when he turns on this van, whether it is citizens or police and he starts opening fire, his life doesn't matter. the people inside of that van, their lives matter. he made a choice. he made the wrong choice. he hit a bees' nest and it came back and stung him. >> they are already claiming, the family of this young man and others, that this was an execution. that the cops had no business shooting him. some are complaining about plain clothes detectives saying being in plain clothes invites confusion in a protest situation. >> well, megyn, is that
confusion on who to shoot? it is okay to shoot regular citizens but we don't want to shoot police in plain clothes? what is he doing carrying a firearm to a peaceful demonstration? the father said he didn't have a gun. of course, he doesn't know and he wasn't there. his son did have a gun. the gun was stolen. he did return fire. he faced the officers and shot at them. he shot at them repeatedly and engaged twice and he got shot. those are the facts. as long as we have people that aren't willing to see the facts. just like in baltimore. they indict five cops. does it do any good? no. they're still on a quest to have the biggest murder rate in the history of baltimore. it doesn't matter what you do. you're not going to appease these groups. they're doing this strictly along racial lines. >> not only that but we were told a year ago in ferguson, missouri, the real problem was the disparity in the race situation.
so while officer wilson was completely exonerated by the d.o.j., the ferguson p.d. as a larger group, the ferguson city council, the government structure was not. and they came out saying, it is disproportionate to the black population in this area. and something needs to be done about it. so something was done and now they really changed the number in ferguson, missouri, to where it is much more even. they have more work to do in the police department. in terms of the city council, it is now half black. and they've done a lot of improvement at the city council and government level. here we are again and they're claiming again that the police are out to get these law-abiding citizens who are minding their own business except when they're firing guns into police cars. >> when i watched the footage from last night, i don't see many lawful demonstrations.
stop in traffic is not a lawful demonstrations. stopping pedestrians is not a lawful demonstration. they should enforce it. when you allow some kind of leeway, they just take more and more. now we have people that are not on the city council and they're not on the police department, no matter how represented the black community is. they are not there. you're dealing with gang members and street drug dealers that are just hanging out. they're armed and they're taking advantage of a hesitant police department. and it will continue just like in baltimore. >> and we're just watching these pictures as they blockade the roads there. we're keeping an eye on ferguson, missouri, as we -- i don't want to say expect but anticipate a second night of protests given what we saw last night which did not go well. of course the viewers remember it was not long ago we saw
protests in ferguson that were shocking in their intensity and led
to a nationwide debate about how far law enforcement should go and reining in a community in protest. we'll see tonight whether they handle it differently and whether the protesters decide to do so as well. thank you for your input. ? with headlines about the possibility of new headlines in ferguson, the president talked about the issue of race in law enforcement. next, what the president is now pledging. plus -- >> thank you, seattle, for being one of the most progressive cities in the united states of america! >> oh, wait, i hope you got out everything you wanted to say. the protests from the black lives matters group shouted bernie sanders off the stage for the second time in reason weeks. dana perino on why they are
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you are at live pictures from the stfts ferguson, missouri. 24 hours after violence broke out. as protesters mark one year since the shooting death of michael brown. after that shooting president obama spoke a number of times about that and over the week he was asked whether he would have responded the same way, if he would have been as vocal about it if ferguson had happened in his first term when he was less vocal about these issues, or so the questioner thought. >> i think it is fair to say if in my first term, ferguson had flared up, as president of the united states, i would have been
commenting on what was happening in ferguson. here's one thing i will say. i feel a great urgency to get as much done as possible. >> kevin jackson, a conservative radio host and author of the book. good to see you both. the president says i would have been just as vocal in the first term if it had happened there but i'm telling you now, i'm focused on this and i'll address this issue of aggressive law enforcement and communities that feel targeted by these police forces, in particular, african-americans who do. >> who knew that the scourge of white cops killing blacks would only rear its ugly head a year ago? nobody knew about it? and who knew that it would happen starting now? the legacy of obama with this.
this is squarely on his shoulders. he can talk about the next 18 months or whatever is left in his administration. what is happening in ferguson is a direct result of liberal policies and their ability to address the real issues. barack obama wants to make this a cop issue and it is a cultural issue that is the elephant in the room. what do you make of it, mark? when you see the picture of the roasted pig. i am sorry to dwell on it but it is so shocking. the guy has been exonerated by barack obama's d.o.j. completely exonerated. harnlt darren wilson. darren wilson is a man who has been ruined by false allegations of hands up don't shoot which were a lie. which were a lie. so how do we get to the point where people are on the streets of ferguson all amped up about darren wilson to the point they're shooting at police officers, and then when they
shoot in response, it is there you go again. >> i'm with you 100%. we mentioned the filibuster report that showed there was a pattern of discrimination that happened in the police department. like you said, they've done quite a bit to try to clean that up including firing people at the top of that department. but i want to address this being a liberal or conservative issue. this isn't a liberal or conservative issue. >> sure it is. >> the fact is the president has a unique opportunity. not just as the leader of the country but the leader of the black community. to use his platform to project an image of peace and to compel. >> go ahead, kevin.
>> it is a total failure. that's such a copout. at the end of the day, barack obama, eric holder, all the people involved here are liberal democrats. in most cases, they're black. to megyn's point that you talk about earlier with mark fuhrman. they want to colorize ferguson and make the city council black. they want the mayor to be black. they want the cops to be black as if this will solve the problem. everywhere you have black leadership in this country in these big indoctrination centers, you have the same problem. >> let mark respond. the city now has, ferguson, a new police chief, a city manager and a new minute it is pal judge. they're all black. blacks now hold three of the six seats on the city council. they've increased the police force with a few more block
officers, although there's not parity. they've made the improvements and yet here you go again. >> i don't understand what he was saying. the problem is that there is black leadership. >> i know you don't understand. >> i'll tell what you matters. the politics of visibility. let's go back 50 years to 1965 where you have martin luther king marching. >> let me just finish. you had visions, images of violence, police brutality against the protesters and it created a wave of sympathy toward the civil rights movement. a few short months later you have the watts race rights break out. >> if you could get to like 2015. we don't have all night. >> if we don't learn from history we're bound to repeat it. and i think, kevin, the problem is that we have images of this black community -- >> now you don't like barack obama. that's what barack obama says. the legacy of the civil rights movement is what is affecting
all these folks. go ahead, kevin. >> everything he just said is absolute nonsense. every problem that he just described is a democrat problem. now what they want to do is transfer these white races and bring in black races. every problem that's happening now. new york city, baltimore, detroit, atlanta, you name your urban indoctrination central. democrats running it. all the way to the president. the attorney general. it is democrats or black democrats. and you want to make it sound like a cop problem. >> good to see you. at the same time, this unfolds in ferguson, missouri, the folks behind the black lives matter movement are going after bernie sanders! >> black lives matter! black lives matter! >> they're not feeling the burn, no, no. dana perino is next on why this is getting to be big aer issue
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all right. so we are trying to be reasonable. we are trying to be reasonable. we are trying to be reasonable. >> black lives matter! black lives matter! >> we are located in king county. we're the silhouettes of martin luther king. while we spent 200 million building new jail to imprison black children. i was going to tell bernie how racist this city is, filled with its progressives but you already did it for me. >> lovely. finally, sanders gave up and left the stage. you will see him spot shadowed. walking away. this is not the way he wanted it to end. he then ventured into the crowd to shake hands with supporters. many of whom were rather upset over what happened to him. dana perino is the co-host of the five.
it didn't go the way bernie wanted it to just like it didn't go the way o'malley wanted it to. why do the people keep shutting down these democratic events? >> because it is a movement. i don't think it is a movement without grievances. i think some legitimate beefs and they're trying to figure out a way to get attention nix time within a party, if you have a group that votes party line or monolithically, once they are organized, they become impossible to ignore. so they have to figure out a way to embrace them, engage them, develop some personal relationships. >> and apparently it doesn't include saying all lives matter. that will be the end of you. >> the sad thing is that even the name of the group is one that is supposed to stoke racial tension. right? so black lives matter. do those protesters really
believe that bernie sanders does not believe -- >> bernie? >> that black lives matter? of course he does. >> they're just looking for attention. and anybody would listen to them and help them in the way they want to be help, it would be someone like bernie sanders. he has been trying to help penal who have been oppressed his whole life. >> is this like drawing a distinction between bernie and hillary? hillary clinton was quick to say, yes, black lives matter. of course, i'm with you. she seems to be wanting to get ahead of this. >> i think they're trying to reach out and neutralize this. we're also in uncharted territory. the way to organize online. i think the movement online is something we have never seen before. organization like this for a group. in some ways, that can be used for good. in other ways for bad. i would encourage not just to meet with democrats but imagine a republican candidate who said,
i would love for you to meet with you. i would love for to you see what have any mind to turn things around. >> like rand paul. >> he has tried to do it. and i think there are some governors. probably all of those candidates would be willing to meet with them. it is amazing what you can do when you have relationships with somebody. >> you know what the conventional wisdom is. something like people in% of all african-americans voted for barack obama. and they will never go republican no matter how many inenticements are offered. >> remember, you don't have to win all black votes. can you win some? can you convince them that you have a better plan than the last 30 years? 40 years? i think that you could. and i feel like there is a yearning in america. you might not see it here or online. i do believe there is a yearning for people to get along and figure out how get to along. we have to figure out how to
live together. anger does not solve any problem. we have such big problems. my colleague has a show. and it has a #, wake up america. and i can say make up america. >> come on. >> everybody could get along. >> the name of her book is and the good news is. >> it is worth a shot. >> i don't know if you're right. we just had rubio on the show last week. we were talking about how he might have falling poll numbers because his message is too positive. that's what the punld yits say. he needs to be more negative. >> do you see how that works? read dana's book. >> channel 6. ? a growing number of police are showing up after we saw large pictures after we saw protesters in the roadway. must, under threat of perjury now. hillary clinton has told a
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protesters with agitating chanlts, obscenities at the police. and the protesters i talk on, they are upentity the police and what happened last night. to give you a little perspective, it was here last night that there was a gun fire between literally this insurance store right over here. a white pick-up truck. and this across the street. that then led to police getting after the individual in the shooting right now. there seem to be a little bit. let's see. i've just taken this inside. it seems to be a little bit of an argument going on amongst the protesters. there is no police. what will set things off is not what you're seeing now work the arguments between protesters. we're not sure what this quarrel
is about but it is clearly heating up. it is whether the police come in here. let me see if i can get a little idea what's going on. what are you guys arguing about? what is going on here? [ yelling ] >> reporter: there's some argument going on with one individual that has walked into this. they're saying is not part of the protest. just to reach that, if you look across the street, you see in the dark a massing of say 35, maybe 40 police officers. they're not in their battle rattle. we haven't seen any of the armored vehicles. they have a little bit of a stand-off approach to this tonight. the st. louis county police has declared a state of emergency. but there is no national guard out here and there is no curfew,
they tell me. they're hoping it is peaceful but as we've seen, just ten minutes ago. and they told these protesters to not get in the road. not cross the line. as soon as they begin to wade into the street, that will set things off. those police come over and they are absolutely going to take things under control. we've heard the hands up, don't shoot. all harkening back to one year ago. >> you're saying notwithstanding what we saw last night, there is no curfew tonight? >> no curfew. i asked the st. louis county police department who have taken authority. they are now under a state of emergency in charge of everything and they said there is no curfew. they're hoping that things go peaceful. the national guard is not called out. and people are out here, many of them are trying to protest to get a message out peacefully.
it is only when the people engage. is it going to be peaceful tonight? >> didn't this just happen in baltimore where they didn't have the curfew on the second night, there had been protests all day that had involved rocking cars and damaging and looting and vandalism and then they decided, isn't anyone paying attention on history? who is making that call? is it the mayor? >> reporter: that call is being made by the st. louis county chief john billmore. he has that experience. ferguson has a new police chief, a new city manager. the people making the decision is the st. louis county chief. he is in charge of it. and you know, ma'am, are you a resident locally?
what's your name? >> i don't want to say my name. >> reporter: why are you out here and why are we back here with the unrest a year later? >> we still want to see change. we want to see police reform and court reform. >> reporter: and you believe the police are still treating you unfairly as residents? >> police have been abusing their power for years and we want more. they should be held to a higher standard. because their word carries so much weight. when there are inaccuracies on police reports, when there are lives being caught, they should have very stiff punishment. their word carries so much weight. you see inaccuracies. and they need to be fair. >> reporter: what about just like that?
gun fire breaking out? putting everybody in danger. police had to respond, did they not? >> reporter: okay. our viewers apologize, there is a message. >> crime is in every community. crime is in your community. crime is in every community. nobody is saying these people are perfect. the punishment needs to fit the crime. >> reporter: we have to step away. we don't want to air obscenities. if anyone is asking the question whether this has the possibility, the recipe to unfold into unrest, i would say it absolutely is. >> we're going to stay with there. when we come back, i would love for to you ask one of the people with the face masks on, if they're not planning on causing any damage or havoc, why are
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masks? >> reporter: well, they're wearing masks because they don't want their identity to be known. surveillance cameras, they can identify these folks. they're going to charge them with felonies. with possession of firearms, assaulting law enforcement. any number of things like a person charged with ten felonies today. a lot of faces are covered because they don't want to be seen and arrested by police. we're walking now, the protests are beginning to march. we're beginning to walk. if you look here to this way, that's the ferguson market and liquor where it all started with michael brown stealing on the surveillance cameras, the owner came from behind the desk and then heading back out and turning right about three block down up canfield where he was
shot by officer darren wilson. you can see as the protest mars, they're going up and down. that's what they're going to do, i would suspect, having covered this for an endless number of nights last year. they go up and down. they march down and come back and they agitate and agitate. at some point the police decide they've had enough. and particularly if they obstruct these cars. they obstruct traffic. it will quickly accelerate into something that we all hope it won't do. >> thank you very much. we're deal screen split so we can see what's happening in ferguson. try to keep a close eye on that as they are under a state of emergency. justice napolitano is here with me now. time after time, we've seen the protests erupt. we saw in baltimore when they had protests and they refused to set a curfew. what happened? why is there no curfew? >> i don't know why. i'm as surprised by it as you are. unless the police had a feeling
a curfew would make it worse. >> the mayor is the head of the government there. >> apparently the nature of the government is a little different than we have on the east coast. the police chief of the county police department, an appointed official, not elected, makes a decision about whether or not there will be a curfew. i prefer it be decided by an elected official. last night there was an active shooter. >> it is not like they have no basis to say something will happen. look what happened a year ago. and it is not like the community has settled down. apparentlily the folks out there may still believe that officer darren wilson executed michael brown in cold blood. i grant you, there have been problems with the police department which are now well documented. >> this woman that he just interviewed, obviously read a federal report or had it summarized for her. one of the things feds complained about was police exaggerating the evidence against african-americans and some of them being convicted on the basis of that. supposedly that has all been
stopped now. she is resurrecting these old complaints. >> i want to say, hillary clinton did something extraordinary shelf signed the certification under penalty of perjury that she turned over federal records, documents that either were or potentially were federal records to the state department. >> she turned over all, that's the significant word here. she said she did all the records in her possession. two things to watch for. one, she was ordered to do this under penalty of perjury. when a judge speaks to a litigant or someone related to a litigant. the form he secretary of state. saying i don't believe you. i have to remind to you tell the truth. two, if she told the truth and the statement she signed on friday, i turned over all copies of the e-mails. what does that mean? she no longer has the server. and if she no longer has the server, where is it? did she knowingly rid herself of
the server? if she still has the server, then her statement violates the law. because it is untruthful. the server has companies of the e-mails and she didn't turn over all companies. so this federal judge has to dig a little deeper. >> her recommendive says she will speak before the gaza community. so in the next few months we should get an answer to that. >> she may be speaking to them soon. >> we're keeping an eye on ferguson. and carly fiorina is up next. she'll be up next. ♪ [music] defiance is in our bones. new citracal pearls. delicious berries and cream. soft, chewable, calcium plus vitamin d. only from citracal. gives you nexium level protection for frequent heartburn all day and all night.
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hour, we have seen protests getting intense in ferguson, missouri, as nightfall comes over the city. presidential candidate and ceo of hewlett packard, carly fiorina is with us tonight. and first, we have to ask about the live pictures, and what's happening right now in ferguson, and in a larger scale, in the country, between the african-american communities? >> it's a dangerous situation there and a tragic situation there. while we now know that the facts concerning michael brown's death were not as they alleged and now we know there were real grievances, and i doubt that they were cleaned up quickly. but last night, the police had to take action, and protect themselves and more importantly be protect the community. but i would say to americans looking at this and feeling
despair, remember as well the example of south carolina, a very different situation, where not only did a cop murder, he's being charged with murder, a young black man, but we also have the terrible tragedy in charleston, and yet that community came together and expressed grievances in a peaceful way, even in a loving way, and found a way to resolution, together as a community. so we need to remember that example as well. even as we look at these very disturbing pictures. >> whawhat do you make of -- soe of these democratic candidates are getting hit with the question, do "black lives matters" or do all lives matter? >> first, of course "black lives matters." and secondly, black lives have been diminished under policies. african-american youth unemployment is up under president obama, and communities struggling with poverty have had
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>> we saw a difficult situation in ferguson, missouri a year ago, and it resumed last night. we're hoping for peace tonight. on all sides, no one gets hurt, and everyone follows the law. we'll see you tomorrow night at 9:00. thanks for joining me. >> tonight, raise your hand now if you won't make that pledge tonight. mr. trump. >> polls are in, and also, is donald trump changing his mind about a possible third party >> i would knock the hell out of them. >> and then donald trump's plan to make isis work. >> i would put boots on the >> i would put boots on the >> lieutenant colonel oliver north is here. and ben man carson, they are here to debate their strategies. and the latest out of ferguson, missouri, hanitty