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feckless when writing to the "factor." please remember, the spin stops here because we are definitely looking out for you. breaking tonight, new clues in a mysterious passenger plane crash that killed more than 200 men, women, and children, are now raising new fears that the islamic state terror group may have carried out one of the worst terror attacks in years. good evening and welcome to "the kelly file" everyone, i'm megyn kelly. on saturday, a russian jet liner exploded in mid-air after taking off from one of egypt's most popular tourist stops. the carnage stretching nine miles, with traces of 224 victims, including 25 children. in the awful pictures, you could see a little girl's pink sneaker. here is a man's dress shoe.
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searchers sorted through children's toys and the belongings of those on board, while devastated families in russia waited for answers. most of the passengers were returning from vacation in egypt. entire families were wiped out. and there's this heartbreaking image. look at this. a 10-month-old girl, reportedly the victim, her mother posting this picture before they boarded that flight and her life would end. almost immediately after the crash, an isis linked group in egypt claimed responsibility and put out a video purporting to show the plane being shot out of the sky by a missile. the national intelligence director james clapper said we cannot rule out the possibility of terror. >> we don't have any direct evidence of any terrorist involvement yet. >> does isis have the ability to
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shoot down an airliner? >> it's unlikely, but i wouldn't rule it out. >> we are joined tonight by congressman peter king, member of the homeland security committee and lieutenant colonel tony shaffer, who consulted with boeing to prevent terrorist attacks. but we begin with trace gallagher. >> reporter: cairo and moscow have a lot riding on the outcome of this crash investigation. because of that, objective information is very hard to come by. egypt is trying to knock down any speculation about terrorism because that could prove disastrous for their travel industry. at the same time, the mechanical or human error raises more questions about russia's tarnish aviation history. listen. >> translator: there are no such calls, like everything failure,
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system failure. there's no combination of systems failure that could lead to a plane breaking up in thor. >> reporter: except in 2001, the tail section of the a-21 that crashed was damaged when it struck a runway on landing. remember the u.s. air crash in 1994 over pittsburgh that killed 132? that was caused by a broken rutter. and very much like this weekend's crash in that crash, the pilots lost control of the plane, plummeted and there was no may day call. which is where russian aviation experts are telling metro jet to stop getting ahead of the investigation. there are reports that metro jet is having financial problems and many employees haven't been paid in months. each a report the co-pilot of the flight complained about the jet's technical condition. as for the possibility that isis is to blame, tonight an investigator analyzing the black boxes reportedly says nothing hit the plane from the outside,
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wit, if true, negates the possibility of an anti-aircraft missile. >> trace, thank you. joining us now with more, congressman peter king, and lieutenant colonel tony shaffer, a cia trained intel operative and senior fellow at the london center for policy research. congressman king, does this look like terror to you? >> it is something that has to be strongly considered. i doubt it would be a missile. i don't believe isis or its affiliates have that type of weaponry. i don't think they could hit the plane at that altitude. as far as the fact if it was an explosion, certainly terrorism has to be considered. that's a hot bed for isis and islamic terrorists. to me, this has all the earmarks of something that has to be looked at as far as terrorism.
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it could be mechanical. considering the fact that russia has this direct conflict with islamic militants, i think it could well be certainly terrorism has to be considered and as the director said, there's no reason to rule that out. >> this is the worst aviation disaster in russian history. colonel, let me ask you whether you think the facts support a hit by surface-to-air missile or as some are speculating, a bomb on board this aircraft. >> clearly there's a great deal of issues to look at. safety records. the russians have not been -- i would not want to fly on a russian plane. not that i distrust them, they just don't do things to the standards we do. but in this case, i agree are representative king. the indications are that we have to take this very serious that this was a terror attack. let me state three things that tell me it probably was. first, there's no surface-to-air missile that isis could have at this point that could reach 30,000 feet.
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the s-300, our patriots system could do that. these are huge systems which take a crew to run. isis is not there yet. 30,000 feet, man pads can't make it. they make it to 15,000, 18,000 max. but physical evidence shows that the actual airframe, the actual compartment shows pieces of metal fanning out like they were blown out, which tells me this may have been a lockerbie type bombing. isis has been aggressive in pursuing targets in the sinai. egyptians are fighting them daily. isis has conducted assassinations there. so we have to look at the old traditional route of putting the bomb on the plane by a package or a suicide bomber and i think that's where this is all going. >> there are reports that they started moving the bodies of the dead from the crash site, which can be as crude as it sounds in
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a moment like this, important to the investigation. they are now evidence of a potential crime, at least a potential crime. do you think that's a mistake given the fact that this may be a crime investigation, a terror investigation? >> you know, i'm not on the ground, obviously. but i think the egyptians may have a motive in not wanting this to be terrorism, because of the damage that would do to its terrorism industry. the russians would very much want to find out if it's terrorism or not. so i think there could be a conflict there. but i'm not in the position to say whether or not they're removing the bodies. i'm not sure exactly how it's being done. but again, i think with egypt, we have to have some concern that they may want to switch the emphasis away from terrorism. >> do we react to this at all, congressman? does the united states react to this at all? >> we have to obviously use every method we have, every bit of analysis we have, because it's very important to know. listen, if isis was able to blow
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up this plane, we know that our planes would be targeted. we have to see if it was an explosive, what type of explosive was used, how it was able to detect inspection. and it would be opening up a new arena as far as isis war against the west and against civilization. >> that video that some isis affiliated folks posted online of a plane growing up deemed to be a fake by officials, they did not believe that to be this plane, that it was being used as propaganda. that has to be a concern, as well, the aircraft manufacturer is saying there was no failure. but isis could use it nonethele nonetheless. >> isis is going to. as much as we can sit here and explain the technology is not there for them to do it, they're going to convince their audience they did it. let me say this very clearly, this is why we have to go after
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isis now, where they're at. they're growing, they're recruiting, getting expansive. this is why we have to look at what we have to do to protect our airliners now, because if they've got a bomb on an airplane, we have to make sure we get them ahead of them. >> that picture of the 10-month-old really brings it home. good to see you both. >> thank you, megyn. dramatic news in the republican race to the white house and the wall street journal releases a poll with a big shift at the very top. chris is here on that. and new fallout in the fight over debates. plus, as president obama presses early release for thousands of felons, some of the country's top cops are not convinced this is a good idea. jud judge napolitano is here. and a woman who got national attention for threatening to kill police or white people,
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breaking tonight. we are hearing from the woman at the center of a caught-on-tape moment that caused national controversy. latasha was arrested back in september after video emerged of her declaring "open season on crackers." and s walking up on untrained police officers and stealing their weapons. she says the videos were selectively edited and never meant for public consumption. here's a clip. >> they've been coming for our throats. they're killing our women, saying that they committed suicide. they're killing our unarmed men for no reason at all. for petty crimes or nothing at all. for traffic stops. your taillight out and you getting killed. >> she and her attorney are with us in a moment. but first, trace gallagher has more on her arrest. trace? >> reporter: megyn, a county
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judge ruled when she was seen brandishing a gun and machete saying it's open season on killing cracker cops, it was much to move criminal charges against her to a superior court. but now they say she wasn't threatening cops or white people, but a group that hacked into a chat session she was having on google, she claims the group stole her videos, edited them and posted them out of context on the internet. listen. >> i maintain that i have a right to defend myself from these hate-filled rants from this group and their supporters. at no point did i ever want to kill or hurt law enforcement officers, and the unedited version of these videos will prove that fact. >> reporter: except she and her lawyer never do smexplain how t statements kill crackers and take over police stations were
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taken out of context. she's part of the "f yo flag" movement and even though she claims she never threatened to kill white people, when asked, she said, well, they killing us. >> all i said, defend yourself against people that want to kill us. that's all. i never said anything more than that. i never said anything more than that. so i'm being arrested for what? >> reporter: her lawyer claims that rap groups often make similar statements to latasha ned but they're not facing criminal charges saying people have the right to free speech. >> trace, thank you. joining me now, latasha ned, and her attorney, jerald grigs. thank you both for being here. latasha, let me start with you with where our reporter just left off, on the perception that you threatened white people
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based on the words, we're going to fight back, we declare open season on an "m "f"-ing cracker" saying you need to watch your mf-ing heads and protect your mf-ing selves because we're coming for you. can you see how people thought that was a threat? >> taken out of context, yes, i could see how it might sound that way. >> what context makes it sound better? >> i don't think the context that i was being threatened and that video specifically was being towards -- was towards the people threatening me. so there's nothing that i could say to make it sound any better than that. when being threatened, when being called stereotypical
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names, racial slurs, and i responded. >> how -- apart from your online chat, how do you feel about white people? >> i don't hate white people, if that's what you're asking me, megyn. i don't hate white people, i hate injustice. and i hate corruption. and i feel that the systematic killing of black people has to be addressed. >> when people listen to the piece that you -- that went online, you talk about how it's open season on the cracker, we won't take this "s" any "f"-ing more. that makes it sound, obviously, like you mean what you say, that it's open season on white people, crackers a derogatory term for white people. even though you say somebody was antagonizing you, your statements are generalized.
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>> again, megyn, once we go further with this investigation, the ending part, those last 30 seconds of that video, will be very clear and explained. so the beginning of that video, which people don't get to see, is me talking about the atrocities being committed against black people. and the system that allows those atrocities to go on. >> i understand that. you were angry about what you perceive as the murders of young, black men, you believe those are murders by some police officers we've seen and in some cases they have been. but in many cases they haven't been and have been portrayed in a media in a way that may have been -- may have misrepresented the facts. can you allow for that?
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in your discussion you sound like you hate the cops and you want it to be open season. >> here's what you have to understand, megyn. you have to take the video in context and understand the threats made before the video when individuals hacked in and called her everything but a child of god. and in georgia law, you are -- you have the very right to defend yourself and that's exactly what she was doing. so we're not talking about this out of context. if someone hacks into your show and calls you everything under the sun, threatens to come to your house and then comes to your house and posts it online that they came to your house, you would respond the same way. that's what any client did. that's what free speech allows her to do. at that point, she was defending herself. >> a lot of people watch thing would say, if somebody hacked into any google chat and said nasty things about me, i would not respond by using the term cracker, it's open season, pointing the gun at the camera,
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finger on the trigger, you need to watch your "f"-ing heads, we're coming for you and so on. >> and here's where we beg to differ, megyn. if someone comes to your house and claims to be the police, if someone hacks into your google account and shows you a picture of your house telling you i'm coming for you, you mf-ing "n" word -- >> that's on the tape? >> yes, you see the individual, you see him laughing and talking about her. you see all these things. that's the they're antagonizin. latasha, have you said these words cracker and so on before this chat room? >> yes. i have. cracker comes from slavery where
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field slaves would notify each other that the overseer was coming. [ overlapping speakers ] wait a minute, megyn. the sound of the crack, that's why it comes from. now, if i'm being called a -- then -- and no one seems to have a problem with that, when i use the word cracker, now i become a terrorist? come on, megyn. >> a lot of people have a problem with both of those words. jerald, i know you have argued this in court and this is a matter of free speech and that she was threatened first, and we'll hear more of that when the court releases the tape. we appreciate you being here very much. >> thank you, megyn. >> we apologize for those words, which were at the senter of the debate we were having. also, breaking news shaking up the gop field.
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as one candidate makes a big jump. chris is next on that, and the new drama over the debates. here's a question for you. what should the temperature be in the debate halls? we'll tell you. chris knows. plus, judge napolitano is here on the thousands of convicted felons now being released and the new questions about public safety. >> some people are bad people. we need to separate the bad people from the good people. at mfs investment management, we believe active management can protect capital long term. active management can tap global insights. active management can take calculated risks. active management can seek to outperform. because active investment management isn't reactive. it's active. that's the power of active management.
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republican contenders are on board. chris stirewalt is our fox news politics editor. this poll shows dr. carson up in first place, and meanwhile, the investor's daily poll that we cited a couple weeks ago that had trump in second, behind ben carson, now shows trump in first, and carson in the second position. you say what? >> i say that "the wall street journal" poll is one of the very best. "the wall street journal" poll, just from my point of view is in a category with our poll, which is the very best swedish chocolate in the box, but also with quinnipiac as a poll i look to as being accurate and predictive. our poll is very good, "the wall street journal" poll is very good. >> this poll shows ben carson
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pulling ahead. [ overlapping speakers ] so does it tell us anything other than in this one poll ben carson is doing well? because it happened before the debate. >> not particularly, it doesn't tell us who is going to win or whatever. but what it does say is this, that the trend line for ben carson moving into the fore by consolidating the conservative vote and the evangelical christian vote inside the republican party continues. >> what is happening with the gop field and the debates? >> look, i know this is sort of a contrary view, but what's happening with the gop field and the debates is what happens every cycle. when you start out, you have a lot of people running for president and their interests are the same, which is not to get blown out before they get started. as they go forward, and their
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polling numbers and interests diverge, so do their desires as it relates to debates. there was a brief moment where everybody thought this time the republicans are going to unite and be good to each other and take care of one another as they go into this polling process. well, that was never going to happen. >> now they're banding together to try to get the networks to make sure you tell the audience, chris, how hot do they want it in the debate hall if >> 67 degrees. >> that needs to be in a contract. they want all the candidates to receive similarly substantive questions, no lightning rounds of questions. approved graphics aired during the debate. the networks should commit that they would not ask hand raising questions. and maybe like the foot massage -- >> no brown m&ms. this is a negotiating position that the candidates were engaging in. then as they got closer to the process of submitting the letter, candidates started
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peeling off because they had different interests. >> carly fiorina said she would debate anybody anywhere. even the divided field is getting more divided. >> this is why we do what we do. we do good debates and we do it for the viewers and the voters that they have faith in us and we have faith in them. >> can you imagine having to submit our graphics to the candidates for approval? you heard it here first. great to see you, chris. it was just two weeks ago we were reporting on a new york police officer murdered by a drug suspect that should have been in jail. now president obama is pushing to release thousands of other drug convicts. judge napolitano is here with a surprising take. plus, she's the woman behind some of ronald reagan's most memorable speeches.
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peggy noonan, welcome to you. >> thank you, megyn. thank you for having me here. >> the book is a marvel. i've read it myself and i can't not urge people to read it more than i do now. the book as i see it is in some ways a love letter to america, and about america. you write in the book that america is the central intellectual subject of my life. this is a great project we are in. you go through your history, including when you grew up as a young girl, no special background, no money to speak of. but you refer to it as the old america. it knew what it was about. and you talked about how the prevailing culture still functioned as a protective force, but no longer does, to our detriment. explain that. >> i worry about this a lot. there are a lot of unprotected kids out there. they are in families that haven't fully co-hered. they are at the mercy of the culture and the street. this is a little bit scary.
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>> when i say in some ways it's a love letter to our country, you talk fondly about moments of american exceptionalism and reminds you why ronald reagan hired this woman. and one of the examples that stood out to me in the book was of -- you read about america being welcoming and free. and if you'll pardon me i'll read a passage from the book. this is an incident. there was a 7-year-old boy who came over from germany on the ss brennan. he was traveling with his younger brother. they were fleeing the nazis. the ship anchored in 1939 and the children were joined by their father already in new york. they stood on deck and the boy saw something. across the street from where we were, was a deli, which had its name in neon with hebrew letters. he was startled. something with he brew letters. that was impossible back home. he asked his father, is that allowed? and his father said, it is here, it is here. and tell the audience who that
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little boy grew up to be. >> that little boy from nowhere, finding out he was free in this country was the great theatrical director and producer mike nichols, my beloved friend who told me that story. when he told it to me, my eyes filled up and every time i read it my eyes filled up. that's just capturing america. i'm not sure -- we all love america, but sometimes i think, you know, we ought to point out why a little bit more. we ought to talk about it a little bit more. this is a fabulous project we are in. as it goes through rocky times, i think we ought to be a little protective of it. >> and you talk at length about your time working in the reagan white house. she was a speechwriter for president reagan and a great one. one of the most famous speeches that you helped write was for president reagan, you wrote it and he weighed in as well was after the space shuttle "challenger" went down.
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you wrote, we all wanted to believe there were survivors. it's funny, the power of human denial, because we saw that spark in the sky. you only had a couple of hours to write that speech. >> we had to scramble. i was very lucky that a woman who had been with the president came in and gave me notes of what he had just said in his office. and that became the spine of the speech, but that was a really challenging day. >> and as you sat down to write it, you know, needing to come up with something creative, something powerful and soothing for the country to be delivered by the commander of chief from his desk in the oval office, something came to mind and it was a poem from the 7th grade called "high flight" and part offis was incorporated into the speech. >> the crew of the space shuttle "challenger" honored us, and we
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will never forget them nor the last time we saw them, this morning, as they waved goodbye and slipped the surly bonds of earth to touch the face of god. >> that's some quote. >> how did you know he would like it? >> i wasn't sure. this is what i thought. i remembered this poem, it was something that went perfectly with the astronauts waving goodbye that morning, which cnn kept showing over and over. i thought, that is the end of the speech, but i will only hear it if it means something to ronald reagan. and we watched all of us in the speech writing office. we saw what he said. he used that ending. then he called me the next morning and almost the first thing he said was, how did you know i knew that speech? i said oh, mr. president, i just took a chance. in fact, it had been a speech that was on a plaque outside his daughter patty's grade school. when he used to take her to school, he used to read it there. >> one of the things that comes
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through in the book is your respect for him and his optimism which he was known for. something that jumped out at me was you talked about how when he lost the gop nomination to gerald ford in 1976, he called on his volunteers not to be cynical but to take it as an inspiration and quoted an old warrior saying, i will lie me down and bleeld a while and then i will rise and fight again. >> that still gives me a shiver. >> the book has a theme of hopefulness, of trying to return people to what matters. maybe steer a little away from technology and back to humanity. i felt this was embodied in your -- what you wrote about tim russert and his funeral and the passage begins, i love this, the world is a great liar. you write about how it shows you that it worships and admires money, but it does not. it says it adores fame and
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celebrity, but it doesn't. that the world admires and wants to hold onto goodness and virtue. >> yeah. boy, that was -- tim's death reminded me of that very much. this was a celebrated guy, but when he died, it hit us all like a blow to the heart. and it wasn't because he was famous and rich, but because he was a good man, a fair man, a kind man, a generous man. he took care of the people he worked with. he took care of his family. and i just wanted to say that -- i always wanted to say that young people, nobody is going to tell you the truth, but being a good person is so much more important than the stuff you're being trained to do. >> it's called "the time of our lives." peggy noonan, what a gift. thank you. >> thank you, my dear. also tonight, a yale dropout who went on to become one of the most powerful men in america. a man demonized by the left. who loves his dog, his country,
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well, just two weeks ago that we were reporting on a new york police officer murdered by a drug suspect, who, by many accounts, should have been in jail. then this past friday, president obama ordered the release of thousands of drug convicts, despite concerns from cops, all the way up to the commissioner of the largest police force in the country. >> one of the issues of concern is when people go to jail, often times they go to jail with negotiated charges, if you will. so that somebody that is in jail that they're nonviolent drug offender, may have crimes of violence in their record. so we have to be concerned about who we're letting out. some people are bad people and we need to separate the bad people from the good people. >> judge andrew napolitano is where me now. i thought we did that when we sent them to prison. the bad people went to prison.
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>> sometimes good people go to prison. sometimes people are imprisoned because they have an addiction and prison makes them worse not better. >> this is true, but some of these folks are violence criminals according to the u.s. attorney. >> they should not be released. if the president wants to accelerate the release, we're talking about people who served 75% of their term, in the federal system, if you seven 85%, they have to let you out. if the president wants to accelerate those releases and they're nonviolent, didn't harm anybody but themselves, the president is using federal sources in an appropriate way, because those jail cells should be filled by more dangerous people, not by these. >> but what assurance do we have that these are -- you picture like the college kids smoking pot and you say he got locked up for 20 years, that should be reduced. but that is not who we are talking about.
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some of them shot at people, arrested for assault, pleaded down. >> if violence is involved, they are not appropriate candidates for early release. if the president is releasing people who were convicted of crimes of violence, i understand what the commissioner said and he's right. we both spent a portion of our lives in the criminal justice system. often you're charged with a crime and you plead to something that bears no resemblance to what you've been charged with. if violence was involved, they do not belong being released. on the other hand, they are about to be released any way. >> not about, but in a few years, what is going to happen to these people? a lot of them are coming directly from halfway houses and prison. do we monitor them? >> some of them will be on probation, some will be absolutely free, because megyn, they didn't belong in jail in the first place. jail is not the place for an addict who will harm only himself. jail is place for someone who
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has armed others and cannot enjoy freedom the rest of us are born with. >> you make it sound like some sort of utopia for these poor people. but one guy, willie bets was found in a stolen car with an assault rifle. this other woman was found distributing 11,000 grams of crack. >> that is not a person who should be released. >> well, she's getting out. she had 14 years. she got a 35 year crack and powder cocaine sentence. >> i don't know what motivated the president of the united states to do that. but if his motivation is there are too many people in jail that don't belong there and nonviolent offenders should get out, i agree with him. >> this is one of the people that had a reduced sentence. judge, great to see you. also tonight, a yale dropout who went on to become one of the
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i love what i've been able to do. i've been privileged to be involved in some historic events over the last 40 years. i am glad i was there. i'm glad i had the opportunity to contribute. and i don't feel sorry for myself or feel that i'm unjustly or unduly criticized by those who disagree with me. i don't worry about it. >> that was former vice president dick cheney sharing his self-assessment of sorts, after years of being demonized by many on the left, in a fascinating and unprecedented
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sit-down with our own james rosen. rosen is the author of the new book "cheney: one on one" and james is my guest now. that was a great exchange where you asked him about his own self-assessment and comparisons to darth vader. >> that's right. i asked this is the last question in the ten hours that dick cheney and i spent together last december in his study shortly before he turned 74 years old. and in this book, "cheney one on one," you have never heard dick cheney open up the way he did. >> you humanize him. a lot of people try to do the opposite. >> i feel this book rescues him from caricature. because you know what? he's too important for caricature. this man has stood at the pinnacle of american power for the last four decades, has had an enormous impact on the way he live our lives as americans especially after 9/11 and too important to be reduced to darth vader. that's what i asked him about. that's the answer you just heard. >> i said in the tease, he's a yale dropout. he graduated from college. he dropped out of yale.
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>> he flunked out of yale. >> he failed out of yale. let's be precise. >> but he's proud of that, sort of. >> i don't know that he's proud of it but he's proud that he rebounded. when he finally had to pay his own way, he had a scholarship to yale to the university of wyoming, he laid power line. he was a lineman for the county. he was proud he paid his own way and by the time he was 37 he was chiefs of staff in the white house. >> tell us about the dog. i find this fascinating. i don't know why. tell me if you do. >> probably because you're a dog person. >> that's true. >> dick cheney has a yellow lab named nelson who sat patiently panting heavily through a lot of our recording sessions in these ten hours. at one point the vice president simply stopped our recording session, said, i got to go get my dog off to the doggy daycare. it's just not -- >> the image of that. >> -- the kind of thing you expect to hear dick cheney say. >> can you imagine the people at the doggy daycare coming in with his little dog saying he won't sit, he won't stay. >> it's a beautiful dog. this book offers a real personal glimpse into dick cheney, besides getting his insider
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accounts of all the incredible things that he's been involved in over the years at top levels from 9/11 to iraq, the watergate era, i don't also get this personal side of him. for example, the one subject he doesn't like to talk about in-depth, we went into in some great depth, religion. >> that's how you are. i've had the same experience with you. >> it's happening at this moment. >> i do want to touch on this. you asked him about the moments in the bunker on 9/11, he was in charge underneath the white house. you asked him about whether he was calling the shots in the days and weeks after 9/11. listen to this sound bite. hold on. >> in the aftermath especially of 9/11, we needed to get things done and on occasion i would use the position i had and the relationship i had with the president to short circuit the system, no question about it. >> the vice president didn't see that as a malevolent thing. he out he was doing what was
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necessary to protect the country. and he still feels the same way about it. he would to it all over again. >> what's the most interesting thing you took away from it? were you surprised at all? >> i was surprised at how willing he was to open up to me. the people who read "cheney one on one" you're going to learn a lot about how his mind works. >> james is the smartest person i know. read this book. you'll learn a lot. great to see you, james. >> thank you, my friend. >> "cheney one on one." we'll be right back. apartment? sure. turn on the electricity? yeah. get a new cell phone? definitely. well that's credit. credit karma. yeah. first step, credit karma. when a moment spontaneously turns romantic, why pause to take a pill? and why stop what you're doing to find a bathroom? cialis for daily use, is the only daily tablet approved to treat erectile dysfunction so you can be ready anytime the moment is right. plus cialis treats the frustrating urinary symptoms
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here tomorrow night. i'll ask him about the idea all debate moderators must have voted in a gop primary. is that a good idea? on twitter @megynkelly. thanks for watching. i am megyn kelly. good night. hello, welcome to "hannity" tonight, after last week's debacle at the cnbc republican debate, many of the 2016 republican presidential campaigns are pushing for mandatory changes at future debates. fox news is reporting last night representatives from more than a dozen of the campaigns met in washington to discuss a strategy going forward. here's what some of candidates have been saying about the rnc in recent days. >> cnbc, i want to give them credit. they did something i wasn't sure anybody could do. they actually have brought all of the republican candidates together in a complete agreement that we won't do anymore debates on nbc if they're going to run them like that. >> i think we should have


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