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of the caucuses and hitting the campaign trail, tomorrow night, 10:00 eastern. as always, thank you for being with us. we'll see you from iowa tomorrow night. >> welcome to a live "cell eye file". tonight, three democratic contenders are sort of facing off. not really. they're taking the stage and answering questions from iowa voters. iowa voters have a strong track record of predicting the eventual democratic nominee. so a good showing tonight is crucial for the candidate if they want to lock up the nomination. bernie sanders is up first and
an attempt to fend off suggestions that hillary clinton is better prepared to be president. we have a big show tonight on how the democratic race may have changed. plus, we'll be joined by kirsten powers. we begin with ed henry from des moines, iowa. ed, what are your impressions? >> well, what is interesting is that you put your finger on it. is that bernie sanders was on defense, dealing with the fact that hillary clinton has ads saying he would not be a strong commander in chief. he scores points by pointing out when faced with a big vote on the iraq war, despite hillary clinton's experience, he believes he got it right and she got it wrong. he was on defense about taxes. admitted he's going to raise taxes to pay for more health care coverage. so that is something you'll likely see in an ad. maybe a clinton ad.
i think where he scored from the first moment he sat down, he said to the host, you know, my wife told me to button my suit jacket but i can't do it. i'm too fat right now, he said because he's gained pounds on the campaign trail. a lot of people can understand that. so, bernie sanders is authentic and real. the other moment where he scored is that he was pressed on the commander in chief issue. he stood up and said i want to stand up for this. i want to show -- he's vigorous and wants to push back on this. hillary clinton, there was a voter that asked about how his friends are leaning towards bernie sanders and believes she's not honest. the questions of honesty that come up from hillary clinton, the clinton foundation and e-mail. she was chopping her hand in the
air and was animated saying you need a proven leader, not just someone going to make speeches. she was more animated. i saw a candidate who sees her back is against the wall. she finished third in iowa. if she comes in second here she's going to be in trouble. finally, martin o'malley. you see on the republican side, if he doesn't score well in iowa. doesn't come in in second, the o'malley campaign might be over. he said point blank, a lot of them say we're going to survive, some may not. >> with respect to martin o'mall o'malley. is this about selling books? at this point, you have to have
ask. >> there are democrats that say martin o'malley has been waiting to see if the fbi is going to do anything with hillary clinton. that is still a great unknown in this campaign. the fbi hasn't done anything. so he's in there, hoping something else happens, maybe. and also, given the caucus system, he may have clout if he's the second choice of some people who decide to go from o'malley to sanders to clinton. >> my question is this was hastily scheduled. >> yes. >> how did it come about they decided they needed an extra town hall? >> i'm told by senior democrats as well as people at cnn that martin o'malley and bernie sander as agreed to do this a long time ago and himent was a hold out. within a week ago, she said
fine, i'll do it. what does that tell us? who things. it's been a biggest open secret. by having a limited number of debates and odd times on the weekends. noi, they realized that didn't work. why did she agree with cnn to do this? because her back is against the wall. >> you do what you can to seal the deal. >> shake it up. >> she was a more fiery version of herself tonight at this town hall. you see her all the time but that is my impression. >> thank you. >> we're going to have some of the best exchanges for you in just a moment. we're getting it teed up. long story. so as i saw it, sanders got an hour, she got a little bit,
about an hour. martin got what? half an hour? i don't know. but the point is that we saw an energized hillary clinton tonight. you see with the hands and the, if you're listening on radio it's not that impactful but it was like the italians. i am half italian, i have to say. >> well, i'm not, and i did. >> howard and i can reenact this sock puppets and i would say this. hillary clinton, when she tries to match the mood, she has probably a -- she's a very smart person, i'm sure, she has a low emotional quotient. she has a hard time matching the emotion of the moment. bernie sanders is a natural, right?
>> how about -- >> too fat? too fat. i don't know what he's talking about. but this bernie sanders is funny, human, and relatable. hillary clinton, it's like they changed the chip. now, it's angry or this or relatable. i thought she showed a lot of energy but i think sanders had it. >> be relatable. >> put the relatibility chip in. >> sanders i don't know if we have the i've gotten too fat clip. >> and a lot of the candidates are like getting a little bigger? it's tough to stay slim on the campaign trail. here is a highlight of mr. bernie sanders. watch. >> is secretary clinton better prepared for the job than you, sir? >> this calls for a standing up response. >> okay. >> i've known hillary clinton 25 years. i like hillary clinton. and i respect hillary clinton. i have tried as you hope i know
not to run a negative campaign, not to be tacking every other day. to keep this discussion on a high level where we debate issues facing this country. by the way with a few exceptions we're doing a lot better than the republicans on that regard, but on the other hand that is not a very high bar to reach. >> i voted against the war with iraq. i led the effort against wall street deregulation. see where hillary clinton was on this issue? on day one, i said the key stone pipeline is a dumb idea. why did it take hillary clinton such a long time? in other words, yeah. i do think i have the background and the judgment to take this very, very difficult job of being president of the united states. >> howie, he went on from there. and used a lot of lines in his campaign we heard before. we need a political revolution,
going off on the rigged economy. this is like cat nip for voters. >> the crowd is like pro sanders. but i think he spent part of the time on the defensive. he was going on and on about universal health care. he said you're talking about bringing back the year of big government. and that caused sanders to have to back pedal. hillary spent the whole time on her feet, most animated i've seen her all year. the enthusiasm gap was parent. the first question was a young guy saying my friends don't think you're honest. she tends to do better in these formats. she sticks to the same token. >> the question of her
enthusiasm was with her, watch. >> it feels like there is a lot of young people like myself who are very passionate supporters of bernie sanders. and i just don't see the same enthusiasm from younger people. in fact, people my age, they think you're dishonest. but i'd like to hear from you on why you feel the enthusiasm isn't there. >> look. i've been around a long time. people have thrown all kinds of things at me. i just keep going forward because there is nothing to it. they throw all of this stuff at me. and i am still standing. >> that is a tough question, chris? >> that is a toughy. that wasn't really a question. that is just a big stink ball saying you're terrible. >> right. >> we're in the dorm and we're like i hate her. and she -- i think she reciprocates. the feeling you can feel there was clear. but, that is her best message. hillary clinton's best message
for democrats is that she is durable. she gets knocked around. she has bad times. she is still standing and there. that is her best message. you don't like me, don't love me, might not trust me but i will get through and republicans who know what's they're going to do. they mentioned donald trump's name one quadrilin times. >> but that question, though it was snarky, does speak to one of the things she's got to overcome, which is that obama coalition that got president obama elected twice is not necessarily the democratic coalition. if a g.o.p. wants to win, he's got to peel off some of the young people, hispanics and african americans so on, to win. some of the women. this voting group is important to her. he raises a point.
how do you energize the young people? he's saying i don't feel like it. >> she's been around forever and is not connecting with younger voters. >> not as long as bernie. >> i lost track of how many times hillary brought up president obama. she was hugging him. >> mentioning his interview. >> yes. >> and she was ginger rogers doing it backwards and in high heels. bernie kept bringing up my vote against iraq, as he said. but it's a good format for hillary. it shows how she's cautious to stay away from these things. actually she's pretty good at it. >> what do you think of it, chris? she was it she knew questioners were not going to be -- that they're going to be democrats, right? one guy says i have a question about benghazi. and it's like how are you so
awesome at the benghazi hearing? i know, but, there is something along those lines so that does allow to -- we have it? oh, stand by. stand by. >> i was a lukewarm person for you before the benghazi hearings. i watched all 11 hours, every second of it. i came away from that a gung ho supporter of yours. >> thank you. thank you. >> i woke up one night thinking that i could see if donald trump was sitting here, maybe he'd punch goudi out. >> so. i don't know. too soon, i think. i don't. you tell me. i don't know. >> too soon. >> look. for democrats hillary clinton and, by the way president obama did a very good job marginalizing the issue of benghazi among core voters
meaning fake story, pay no attention, republican, republican that. there is a thread there. which is, at this point if this gets to be a real problem, the elephant in the room for hillary clinton, everywhere she goes remains possible she could be indicted for a crime of a very serious nature. >> we're going to get to that. >> no matter what she does, that puts a stink on it. >> it's a pig pen in the peanuts, like, still there. and you're coming back in a little bit. in the meantime, mrs. clinton not only ran against bernie sanders but unloaded a couple times on those guys on the other side of the aisle, those republicans. >> we've got to do everything we cannot to let the republicans rip away the progress.
>> karl rove is with us tonight. if you saw this, you could have thought she's looking forward to working with them cooperatively to get things done. >> yes. sort of inconsistent. look. that was a side show. the main focus of her comments was continuity. i'm going to build on the legacy of barack obama. she wrapped herself as close as she could to him. she said the whole purpose was to win the white house to continue the legacy. on the other hand, bernie sanders summed it up in one sentence, saying my campaign is about a political revolution. on the one hand she's the candidate of continuity. he's the candidate of change.
it's one reason not doing better by younger democrats. >> you get a chance listening to her and a lot of democrats that they cannot believe what's happening with the bern. >> here you are, again, another election. but another nail biter with a self described socialist named bernie. >> right. >> how did that happen? >> look. it's a great country. despite what one of the republicans says. it's a great country. and we are all on the democratic side having a spirited debate about the issues we care about. the other side is not talking issues they're talking insults. >> your thoughts? >> well, i thought it was smart on her part not to answer the question but to go back and take a slam at the republicans. when she opens it up with that
cackle, that really weird cackle, that is why people have a sense of her not being honest and trust worthy. 60% of the american people do not think she's honest and trust worthy. when she let's out a cackle, we know she's not going to be straight forward with us. >> it's a nervous laughter. you're buying time, maybe to think of what you're going to say. these are hard questions in her defense but the truly skilled politicians like her husband, they're on it. she was asked later about republicans and really talked about how she's going to work with them, talking about whenever i'm running they hate my guts. in office, they can work with me. >> when she got elected in 2000 and faced a republican president in the white house, and the democrats had, for a brief period of time a majority in the
senate. she did try to work across the aisle. she's thinking in 2004 she can potentially run for president and maybe run as a candidate who can unite the country. then came september 11th. and bush george was the candidate who united the country and she put off her ambitions. in the second term, in the 2004 election and afterwards she turned into a heavy partisan. she decided i'm going to be able to run and need to win the hearts and minds of the democratic party. she's been on stage 40 years. and we've seen her. one of the things american people have concluded is that she'll say and do anything to be elected. and when she thought it was to her advantage working across party lines, she did it and when she decided it's going to be to her advantage to become a straightent partisan, she did it. she was against things eight years ago today she's in favor
of. this is her. at the heart of it a liberal. somebody willing to say and do anything in order to get elected. >> some would say that describes most of the people that run for presidency. but many of these guys. as someone preparing for another debate, so many say one things and reverse themselves to win. >> i would say two things. one is that you better have ambition to run for president. otherwise you're not going to get the job and yes, granted there is a little bit of that. most people try to be consistent because they are consistent. it takes a calculating personality to do the kind of things hillary clinton has been doing. we saw it on the e-mails. we got the explanation it was allowed and blah, blah. blah. >> the e-mails came and we'll there were interesting answers
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a convenient way of communicating and it turned out not to be so convenient. we've answered every question and will continue to do so. >> that was hillary clinton defending her use of a private e-mail server as secretary of state. there are 150 fbi agents investigating that case. and last week we learned that her unsecured server contained the nation's most secretive secrets though she denies that description. shannon, good to see you. she said she answered all of the questions and was just looking for a way to improve her convenience. we've heard that before. that is going to be the party line. now, she says it wasn't that convenient. it turned out to be a pain in the neck. >> there are those rules in place we know about that convenience doesn't come into play when you're dealing with national security information.
convenience is the least consideration that comes into play. and you know, taking something off of one server that is supposed to be secure and moving it to an unsecure e-mail system may be convenient, but may be illegal, as well. >> you think it's significant she signed this agreement as to how she's going to handle classified material at the outset of her term as secretary of state. >> sure. like every other federal employee, she's told up front she hz to store it properly and she can't remove it from her classified settings and she's told up front that her failure to abide by these rules can subject her to criminal prosecution. so she was on notice from the
beginning like every other employee that deals with this. and those others are often prosecuted when they do similar things. >> she said i never sent or received anything marked classified. i guess that is a red herring. it doesn't have to have a stamp. what matters is what is in the document? is it defense to say i didn't know it was classified? i didn't know? >> no. it's not a defense for the secretary of state who is a classifying authority as designated by the president of the united states. it's absolutely not a defense. we have talked at length about foreign communications. those foreign communications are inherently classified and as secretary of state she'd know that. when you're talking about these top secret documents, hillary, hillary. pardon me, megyn.
when you talk about these top secret documents. the nature of the information is going to tip off it's protected. >> what is the biggest problem in your view that they were under view. you have top officials saying we've got to guarantee it was hacked by chinese and russians? that, or the fact she's admitted giving these documents to her lawyer who doesn't have necessary security clearance? >> because that is what petraeus did. who had a security clearance. >> she gave the server to a server company that had no clearance, either. right? so the entire server was at risk. but look. as far as national security goes, just keeping these documents on this server subjected them to all sorts of hacking risks, from china, from
russia. from all -- all of these other countries. >> iran. >> exactly. so she was creating national security risks just by having the server as my friend jonah goldberg likes to say, it's the server, stupid. >> shanen, good to see you. >> good to see you too, megyn. >> is there a chance hillary clinton will be indicted? if she does, what happens to the race? so kirsten, good to see you. i don't know what the chances are. i heard smart lawyers say it can happen and say it's a witch hunt. if she gets in, you know, if she gets indicted what does happen? >> well, first of all i think the chances of her getting indicted are remote. and i'm talking about this from a clinical perspective. it's impossible to imagine the
justice department would be on board with this. even if the fbi made a recommendation. there is no grand jury being on board with this. i don't see them doing that. >> today, president obama heaped praise on her, he seemed to be making clear this is who i would like you to vote for. his comments about bernie sanders were not that way and he must believe she will be an obama third term. >> he doesn't want to see her get indicted and democrats will be upset if that happens. so, setting that aside let's just say she did get inside of it. i presume that joe biden will jump in the race. possibly bloomberg jumping into the race. michael bloomberg has said he would only run if it was trump or sanders who is the candidate. who would be running against. on the democratic side would only want to run against sanders. if hillary clinton is not in the
race, maybe michael bloomberg jumps in. >> how do you think this e-mail issue is playing among democrats? republicans want to know about it all the time. is she going to jail? going to the white house or going to the big house? what about in democratic circles? >> it is an issue that is not your democratic base voter. it's something that they have decided to tick her word on this, i think, is that whatever happened was an accident. and it was that you know, she didn't know it was classified. she was given. >> so hillary clinton did try. and mayor bhoomberg that reminds me... anyone have occasional constipation, diarrhea... ...gas, bloating? yes! one phillips' colon health probiotic cap each day
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he started with mexicans, he's ominous limbs. but i found it particularly harmful the way that he has talked about muslims, american muslims, and muslims around the world and i have called him out about that. >> that was hillary clinton using tonight's democratic town hall as an opportunity to knock the republicans and their front runner over language, she says, quote, demeans minorities. and founder of the accountability project, lisa booth is the president of high noon strategies good to see you both. >> the question there is pretty powerful. right? a woman served in the armed forces came and said how am i supposed to explain this to my young children who are muslim, and you know, convince them they're going to be raised in a country that will love and accept them? that is my paraphrase. how is this issue, because if you look at trump's approval
rating when it comes to his ban on the muslims proposal, he does very, very well with republicans on that. how about with the dems? >> he does not do well with the republicans on that. the republican party is a diverse party and not only is it speaking to the democratic base, it's speaking to the next generation of democrats. hillary knows that. but the republicans don't seem to get that. some republicans do, fairly. some republicans like jeb bush understand the country is moving forward, with a diverse country that includes muslims, mexicans, latinos and african americans. donald trump is speaking to his base because he wants to win iowa. that base, however, is an older demographic and it is not reflective of the democratic
party. >> i don't think trump is planning on getting a ton of democrats but there is some evidence he's attracting some. lower to middle class democrats that feel ignored. >> well, megyn i find it ironic democrats want to talk about vie ters ti. the republican field is the only field right now that represents the diversity in america. we have two hispanic candidates running to be president of the united states. we have an african american. and a woman that are running as well. >> they say just as quickly, the g.o.p. presidential field has diversity, doesn't mean the party does. >> i disagree. look at the faces of the republican party and who is running for the republican nomination now. what i think tonight's debate did for hillary clinton did is the biggest unlikable factor.
we saw that problem tonight, especially with the comfortable style someone like bernie sanders and martin o'malley and hillary clinton. >> what doesn't like a brooklyn accent, right? any guy that says i'm too fat like that, you're going to love him. i realize he's leading in new hampshire by a lot and doing well in iowa. that doesn't mean democrats are going to make them the nominee. and odds are against him. >> his voters are more educated voters. they look at tax equality. that is his demographic. they want to know about issues in detail. that is hillary clinton's demographic. how is donald trump doing well when his likability factors are so low? this is a really strange
election. i don't see elections where we have had presidential candidates, front runners with low likability factors. if you're going to talk about that, look at it on the other side as well. >> and hillary clinton is low on trust ratings for sure. but this doesn't seem to be a deal breaker for voters because it's 2016. this is the world in which we live. >> great to see you both. >> thank you, megyn. >> thanks megyn. (vo) if you have type 2 diabetes, you may know what it's like to deal with high... and low blood sugar. januvia (sitagliptin) is a once-daily pill that, along with diet and exercise, helps lower blood sugar. januvia works when your blood sugar is high and works less when your blood sugar is low, because it works by enhancing your body's own ability to lower blood sugar. plus januvia, by itself, is not likely to cause weight gain or low blood sugar (hypoglycemia). januvia should not be used in patients with type 1 diabetes or diabetic ketoacidosis. tell your doctor if you have a history of pancreatitis.
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i want to be the president for everyone. and i believe that is exactly what any president should do. >> you've made a few people upset over your political careers. which enemy are you proud of? >> in addition to nra, health insurance companies, drug companies. iranians. probably the republicans. >> so that is hillary clinton striking a different tone
tonight just months after saying one of the highlights of her political career is making enemies of republicans so what should voters believe? there is no question that she learned after that debate answer, you don't want to list half the country as your number one enemy, don't list them with the iranians because people aren't thinking ted cruz when she hear republicans. they're thinking she means me, in the middle of iowa. she is trying to say i didn't mean that. >> hillary has a problem. she positioned herself as someone willing to work with republicans and at the same time, when you have a primary you're going after a liberal base, you need to demonize and when bernie is doing it, so that is what she's doing. it's going to come back to haunt her. >> explain with the enthusiasm
for him. what is the deal. you're a socialist, explain it. and he was like hell's bells, i am. and he goes on about how it means economic rights, economic security, there is something wrong when the rich get richer, everyone else gets poorer, we need a government for everyone. >> he told people he was going to rise taxes on them. i think the actor rob lowe sent out a tweet saying who is this man telling me he's going to raise my taxes? so he's got a delivery issue. he comes off as crass and sincere but he's rough around the edges. >> why are they claiming he's an outsider? >> he's been in the senate as long as he has? >> vermont, maybe? >> that doesn't count.
>> and i mean, i don't get it. ted cruz, i don't know. bernie? >> that won them the majority. and the presidency. bernie is advocating for ideas and having been popular, expanding social security, raising taxes on people in the middle class that in order to provide a social safety net. he's outside of the main stream. he's been in the institution a long time. but he's on the outside when it comes to institutional politics and where his policy positions are. >> what is with one after another in debate format? this is really no one challenging me? >> maybe i'll sit, maybe stand. >> love it. >> come on, fox news, come on. republicans do it.
>> you're asking tough questions there. you saw audience members asking questions. >> it's a lot harder when you're the people you're running against are to your left and right and ready to -- >> no question. >> that is how it's going to go. we'll see. great to see you. >> good to see you. >> up next, bloomberg question.
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are you going to run for president? >> no. i do not believe a third party candidate with win. i can tell you i am not running for president. >> oh, but that is then and this is now. that is about 18 months ago to be exact and the "new york times" just published a story about former new york mayor bloomberg considering a third party run for the white house depending on the conditions. joining me now, howie kurtz. >> the conditions would be bernie sanders is the democratic nominee. we don't have to worry how this is going to play out because he's not going to run. the media false for this every four years, well, mr. bloomberg is considering a run. he knows an independent can't
win the white house, he's 74 years old. it's not going to happen. >> you did agree with bernie that would prove his point we're no longer a democracy? >> well, anybody can run, and win if you happen to have billions of dollars. >> like donald trump. michael bloomberg was a very good mayor. and it's not like he has a natural constituency out there. >> here, why are you so sure it's not true? given the sentiment we have h heard, the level of
dissatisfaction bernie sanders supporters have and with both sides, whether it's tufrp or cruz why couldn't he sue him saying i'm in because i'll take these disaffected voters? >> well, because it's difficult when you've got the party machinery. i think hillary clinton, through her problems is probably going to be the democratic nominee. and i think he was being honest and maybe he's tempted a hill bit. this is a way of keeping himself in the news. >> if he did? if he did who would it hurt? because bloomberg was a republican. he was like a democrat and a republican, then, an independent. he's very antisecond amendment
and kept this state run like a well oiled machine. >> oh, look who is back. did you enjoy your nap? i'm so mean. >> if we have the preconfigured position that it must be trump and sanders to run that we're in a bizarro world it is hard to say. >> just say. >> it would probably hurt trump more. there would be republicans gravitating more usual kind of republicans who might gravitate to bloomberg. but, look. bernie sanders couldn't beat a wet paper bag.
self declared socialism warmed every cockel of their hearts in a snow storm but in a national campaign, it is a dead-dog loser. i think donald trump would beat him. >> before we go, howie what is with the town hall? these democrats, they've done a couple debates but really? sequnential interview was nobody next to you? >> now, hillary down 22 points to bernie in new hampshire, a 74-year-old socialist? >> let's chat. i don't want to be near bernie or martin. all right, guys we've got to go. sorry, stierwalt, i think i hurt
your feelings. >> so thursday night, you guys. thursday night. the fox news, google, republican debate. this is the last one. we hope you'll join us, thanks everyone. i'm megyn kelly. ♪ can't afford to let heartburn get in the way? try nexium 24hr, now the #1 selling brand for frequent heartburn. get complete protection with the new leader in frequent heartburn. that's nexium level protection.
night. >> welcome to a live "cell eye file". tonight, three democratic contenders are sort of facing off. not really. they're taking the stage and answering questions from iowa voters. iowa voters have a strong track record of predicting the eventual democratic nominee. so a good showing tonight is crucial for the candidate if they want to lock up the nomination.